QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (5 Viewers)

[ghostguy123]

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The Ravens have known about this for 25 days and have responded with Nelson Agholor.
Stay the course Baltimore

What were they supposed to do? The Lamar situation is handicapping both their cap and pick situation, they can't really trade for Hopkins right now. Have you seen this WR FA market? Should they have paid up for DJ Chark?

Just because he requested a trade doesn’t mean he will get one. Baltimore has some thinking to do. Making Lamar ride out a one year tag means he might nurse an injury for next offseason negotiations. Good luck with that

Is that a good strategy for Lamar? Doesn't finish two seasons and then spends a 3rd season nursing injuries. He seems to be banking on the idea that a team will ignore his injury history and invest in him long-term and I think we are seeing that teams are not interested in that.

I'm a big Lamar fan, I thought (until recently it seems) he was underrated by the media and fans. I just think he is playing this situation wrong and leaving a lot of money on the table. I'm all for players deciding to "bet on yourself" but at this point it seems like he has lost that bet. What happens when the offer the Ravens made is the best offer he receives? Does he sit out the year or play on the tag?

Better question is why wouldn’t Beyoncé do it again on a one year franchise tag? If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it Baltimore.

They tried. He said no

 

[ghostguy123]

It's pretty rich to see people that likely work for a living vs NFL Owners and feeling compassion and sympathy for all 32 NFL owners, again it's PREPOSTEROUS!

-To try and side with the owners who have to "cobble" these deals together with the very few resources they have in their bank accounts, those poor poor owners.

Are people thinking this? More reckless speculation.
Unfortunately, the salary cap is real. Also unfortunately, it actually isn't that easy to throw half a trillion in escrow. As mentioned before, Lamar's money isn't the only money in escrow.
That, And these owners have more than one business, and partners.
The owners have more leverage than Lamar. Period. Their business goes on just fine without him.
Pretty sure nobody is feeling bad for the owners though.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I do think it is strange that the Ravens are being portrayed as a cheap franchise or they are low balling Lamar. Maybe that is true but I haven't seen evidence of that. This org made Flacco the highest paid QB (at the time). They locked up Andrews with the most guaranteed money for a TE ever in 2021. Yeah Orlando Brown wanted top LT money and the Ravens didn't pay him but that is because they already had a top 5 LT salary on the books. They just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in the league. They generally pay to keep what they consider their core players.

It really seems simple to me, Lamar wants Watson's deal, the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns. They offer Lamar something a little more than the Russ or Kyler extensions, when he turned it down they said "ok good luck getting the Watson deal from another team".

 

[ghostguy123]

I do think it is strange that the Ravens are being portrayed as a cheap franchise or they are low balling Lamar. Maybe that is true but I haven't seen evidence of that. This org made Flacco the highest paid QB (at the time). They locked up Andrews with the most guaranteed money for a TE ever in 2021. Yeah Orlando Brown wanted top LT money and the Ravens didn't pay him but that is because they already had a top 5 LT salary on the books. They just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in the league. They generally pay to keep what they consider their core players.

It really seems simple to me, Lamar wants Watson's deal, the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns. They offer Lamar something a little more than the Russ or Kyler extensions, when he turned it down they said "ok good luck getting the Watson deal from another team".

Well, technically since it's March, neither side is really to "blame" for anything not being done yet. When is the first football activity Lamar would be at? July?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns

Ironically, they were the Browns at one point, literally.

 

[ghostguy123]

the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns

Ironically, they were the Browns at one point, literally.

Dont remind me

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Lamar Jackson continues to negotiate a new contract with the Ravens despite his trade request.​

Jackson shook up the first day of the NFL's owners meeting when he announced he "requested a trade from the Ravens" on March 2nd just moments before John Harbaugh was scheduled to speak with the media. Rapoport reports a source familiar with the situation told him Jackson and the Ravens have been negotiating "as recently as last week" leaving Rapoport to believe the trade request has more to do with money than a desire to leave the Ravens. Rapoport also added, "everyone thinks the Ravens would just match" whatever contract Jackson agrees to under the non-exclusive tag.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 2:25 PM ET

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's pretty rich to see people that likely work for a living vs NFL Owners and feeling compassion and sympathy for all 32 NFL owners, again it's PREPOSTEROUS!

-To try and side with the owners who have to "cobble" these deals together with the very few resources they have in their bank accounts, those poor poor owners.

Are people thinking this? More reckless speculation.
Unfortunately, the salary cap is real. Also unfortunately, it actually isn't that easy to throw half a trillion in escrow. As mentioned before, Lamar's money isn't the only money in escrow.
That, And these owners have more than one business, and partners.
The owners have more leverage than Lamar. Period. Their business goes on just fine without him.
Pretty sure nobody is feeling bad for the owners though.

You saying the salary cap is real, so are unicorns to little children
It's monopoly money that can look like $50M OTC one day and $25M UTC the next when teams want to restructure everyone and some teams do just that.
Miami has gotten almost everyone to restructure, not even a handful of the stars they have are counting more than $10M against the cap. They have a few 8 figure types but not many
'24, '25...who cares? I want to know what we are doing in 2023.

I'm only thinking like the normal average rose colored wearing glasses fan that many are.
I've done nothing but bash the Phins for over 2 decades on here, ask any Miami fan, they'll tell you.
Stephen Ross has made it easy, being a Bengals fan you should understand how I feel more than most on here.

Why did you take my last post personal? Worried you are going to have to look at things thru Mike Brown's eyes again?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns

Ironically, they were the Browns at one point, literally.

As a long suffering Lion fan, I've always felt bad for Cleveland fans also. Bad enough the home team doesn't win but to see them win in another city is the suck. All because of a scumbag owner.

 

[Anarchy99]

I do think it is strange that the Ravens are being portrayed as a cheap franchise or they are low balling Lamar. Maybe that is true but I haven't seen evidence of that. This org made Flacco the highest paid QB (at the time). They locked up Andrews with the most guaranteed money for a TE ever in 2021. Yeah Orlando Brown wanted top LT money and the Ravens didn't pay him but that is because they already had a top 5 LT salary on the books. They just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in the league. They generally pay to keep what they consider their core players.

It really seems simple to me, Lamar wants Watson's deal, the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns. They offer Lamar something a little more than the Russ or Kyler extensions, when he turned it down they said "ok good luck getting the Watson deal from another team".

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think the Ravens are coming off as cheap. At this point, I think they may be happier if Lamar wasn't on the roster anymore . . . but they can't come out and say that for fear of alienating the fan base.

I liken this whole situation to the Red Sox and Pedro Martinez back in 2005. Martinez was 32 and obviously an all-time great pitcher, having won 3 Cy Young Awards. He had just helped the Sox win their first title in 80+ seasons. But he was not as sharp that year (his ERA was almost double), he suffered a shoulder injury, and there was some concern about how long he could keep at it and be a difference maker. His velocity and movement had dipped some.

Boston knew that they had to come off looking like they tried their best to re-sign him to shift the burden to Pedro as the one that chose to leave. But they didn't really want him back for what he was asking. The Red Sox front office indicated publicly they really wanted him back, were making him fair market offers, and were looking forward to his return. They intentionally offered less money and fewer years than other teams, and he ended up leaving to the Mets for 4 years/$50M. Pedro for the Sox had an ERA+ score of 190. With the Mets, that fell to 109 (league average is 100). He averaged 19 starts for the Mets (vs. 29 a year for Boston). I am pretty confident the Sox brass breathed a sigh of relief when Martinez left town. Of course, they did the whole thanks for the memories thing when he left, and they ended up playing the whole thing like PR geniuses.

We'll have to see how things progress with Jackson, but it would not shock me if Lamar and the Ravens front office are looking for an exit strategy that makes sense for both sides. It could end up that there isn't one, and both sides may have to put on a pretend happy face and continue to coexist and work together. For now, I don't feel a lot of warmth or love when one discusses the other.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"And in the 11th Hour after the Ravens beat him down into submission,
After the Ravens were able to discipline their Quarterback and break him finally
After they showed him first hand the NFL doesn't really want much to do with him
After the Ravens showed Lamar that no one wants to pay him a lot of money or part with any draft capital
Lamar Jackson finally crawled over on the floor to sign his franchise tag with his last Bic Stick and become a member of the Baltimore Ravens in 2023"

That sounds just as ridiculous but it's the picture some of you seem to want to paint in here.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I do think it is strange that the Ravens are being portrayed as a cheap franchise or they are low balling Lamar. Maybe that is true but I haven't seen evidence of that. This org made Flacco the highest paid QB (at the time). They locked up Andrews with the most guaranteed money for a TE ever in 2021. Yeah Orlando Brown wanted top LT money and the Ravens didn't pay him but that is because they already had a top 5 LT salary on the books. They just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in the league. They generally pay to keep what they consider their core players.

It really seems simple to me, Lamar wants Watson's deal, the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns. They offer Lamar something a little more than the Russ or Kyler extensions, when he turned it down they said "ok good luck getting the Watson deal from another team".

Ravens pay players on Defense, that's what they do

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's pretty rich to see people that likely work for a living vs NFL Owners and feeling compassion and sympathy for all 32 NFL owners, again it's PREPOSTEROUS!

-To try and side with the owners who have to "cobble" these deals together with the very few resources they have in their bank accounts, those poor poor owners.

Are people thinking this? More reckless speculation.

I don't think it's about reckless speculation as much as it is MoP's blatant disregard for proper procedure in the NFL

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I am not listening
All I know is Lamar Jackson wants out of Baltimore and I have several teams he would be perfect with, not the least of which is the Miami Dolphins

Everything else is just silliness in terms of trying to lend credence to a bunch of Billionaires with nothing but time and money to burn.
I do not respect the salary cap and anyone that uses that as the basis of their platform is selling weak sauce IMHO

I hope we can still keep posting GG123, it's not personal on my side,
I appreciate you taking the time to go back and forth with me
I'll try and curtail a few of the jokes but I find the breaking news today as rather important.
It proves for sure that Jackson wants to try and switch to a new team, we had no proof of that before today.

 

[humpback]

It's 5 o'clock somewhere

 

[Terpman22]

I do think it is strange that the Ravens are being portrayed as a cheap franchise or they are low balling Lamar. Maybe that is true but I haven't seen evidence of that. This org made Flacco the highest paid QB (at the time). They locked up Andrews with the most guaranteed money for a TE ever in 2021. Yeah Orlando Brown wanted top LT money and the Ravens didn't pay him but that is because they already had a top 5 LT salary on the books. They just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in the league. They generally pay to keep what they consider their core players.

It really seems simple to me, Lamar wants Watson's deal, the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns. They offer Lamar something a little more than the Russ or Kyler extensions, when he turned it down they said "ok good luck getting the Watson deal from another team".

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think the Ravens are coming off as cheap. At this point, I think they may be happier if Lamar wasn't on the roster anymore . . . but they can't come out and say that for fear of alienating the fan base.

I liken this whole situation to the Red Sox and Pedro Martinez back in 2005. Martinez was 32 and obviously an all-time great pitcher, having won 3 Cy Young Awards. He had just helped the Sox win their first title in 80+ seasons. But he was not as sharp that year (his ERA was almost double), he suffered a shoulder injury, and there was some concern about how long he could keep at it and be a difference maker. His velocity and movement had dipped some.

Boston knew that they had to come off looking like they tried their best to re-sign him to shift the burden to Pedro as the one that chose to leave. But they didn't really want him back for what he was asking. The Red Sox front office indicated publicly they really wanted him back, were making him fair market offers, and were looking forward to his return. They intentionally offered less money and fewer years than other teams, and he ended up leaving to the Mets for 4 years/$50M. Pedro for the Sox had an ERA+ score of 190. With the Mets, that fell to 109 (league average is 100). He averaged 19 starts for the Mets (vs. 29 a year for Boston). I am pretty confident the Sox brass breathed a sigh of relief when Martinez left town. Of course, they did the whole thanks for the memories thing when he left, and they ended up playing the whole thing like PR geniuses.

We'll have to see how things progress with Jackson, but it would not shock me if Lamar and the Ravens front office are looking for an exit strategy that makes sense for both sides. It could end up that there isn't one, and both sides may have to put on a pretend happy face and continue to coexist and work together. For now, I don't feel a lot of warmth or love when one discusses the other.

Its also b/c the Ravens can control the narrative, b/c all Lamar has speaking on his behalf is himself. The Ravens can leak anything and everything they want. All Lamar can do is tweet some stuff like "They never offered me that" and I mean, fans are left to believe who they want. If he had an agent, they would never had gotten to this point, he would have been signed 2 years ago. Maybe he personally felt coming off an MVP year, he would have non stop progress in his game and the market/his value would naturally rise along with it. The Deshaun deal threw a kink into the whole thing (and I'm just speculating) and maybe he re-assessed from a big payday in his thoughts to "Wow I am better than this guy and I'm not a scum human being like Deshaun, if anyone deserves a gtd contract its me. I got an MVP yadda yadda yadda" A miscalculation on his part and again, b/c he doesn't have real actual market-based advice, just looking around at other contracts and deciding he should get the same/more than other players. He has no one in his ear telling him "it doesn't work like that" so here we are. Now its even more complicated b/c a team has to both give up a contract that he won't get along with 2 1st round picks and again, no one able to tell him "this is a bad spot you/we are in"

 

[Faust]

Jets GM: Lamar Jackson Pursuit Would Be 'In Bad Faith' amid Aaron Rodgers Trade Talks

 

[Anarchy99]

Its also b/c the Ravens can control the narrative, b/c all Lamar has speaking on his behalf is himself. The Ravens can leak anything and everything they want. All Lamar can do is tweet some stuff like "They never offered me that" and I mean, fans are left to believe who they want. If he had an agent, they would never had gotten to this point, he would have been signed 2 years ago. Maybe he personally felt coming off an MVP year, he would have non stop progress in his game and the market/his value would naturally rise along with it. The Deshaun deal threw a kink into the whole thing (and I'm just speculating) and maybe he re-assessed from a big payday in his thoughts to "Wow I am better than this guy and I'm not a scum human being like Deshaun, if anyone deserves a gtd contract its me. I got an MVP yadda yadda yadda" A miscalculation on his part and again, b/c he doesn't have real actual market-based advice, just looking around at other contracts and deciding he should get the same/more than other players. He has no one in his ear telling him "it doesn't work like that" so here we are. Now its even more complicated b/c a team has to both give up a contract that he won't get along with 2 1st round picks and again, no one able to tell him "this is a bad spot you/we are in"

I personally believe that while Lamar doesn't have an agent, someone is giving him advice . . . whether that be from agents that want to be his agent, current or former players, agents of other players, sports lawyers, a publicist, a PR company, a mentor, his former college coach, etc. Maybe Jackson really is flying solo throughout this whole affair, but I tend to doubt it. At least, I hope he isn't trying to do all this without at least getting opinions from others.

 

[Terpman22]

Its also b/c the Ravens can control the narrative, b/c all Lamar has speaking on his behalf is himself. The Ravens can leak anything and everything they want. All Lamar can do is tweet some stuff like "They never offered me that" and I mean, fans are left to believe who they want. If he had an agent, they would never had gotten to this point, he would have been signed 2 years ago. Maybe he personally felt coming off an MVP year, he would have non stop progress in his game and the market/his value would naturally rise along with it. The Deshaun deal threw a kink into the whole thing (and I'm just speculating) and maybe he re-assessed from a big payday in his thoughts to "Wow I am better than this guy and I'm not a scum human being like Deshaun, if anyone deserves a gtd contract its me. I got an MVP yadda yadda yadda" A miscalculation on his part and again, b/c he doesn't have real actual market-based advice, just looking around at other contracts and deciding he should get the same/more than other players. He has no one in his ear telling him "it doesn't work like that" so here we are. Now its even more complicated b/c a team has to both give up a contract that he won't get along with 2 1st round picks and again, no one able to tell him "this is a bad spot you/we are in"

I personally believe that while Lamar doesn't have an agent, someone is giving him advice . . . whether that be from agents that want to be his agent, current or former players, agents of other players, sports lawyers, a publicist, a PR company, a mentor, his former college coach, etc. Maybe Jackson really is flying solo throughout this whole affair, but I tend to doubt it. At least, I hope he isn't trying to do all this without at least getting opinions from others.

I mean I agree. Just its definitely optimal/professional/the best advice IMO as the results thus far speak for themselves

 

[Chaka]

Its also b/c the Ravens can control the narrative, b/c all Lamar has speaking on his behalf is himself. The Ravens can leak anything and everything they want. All Lamar can do is tweet some stuff like "They never offered me that" and I mean, fans are left to believe who they want. If he had an agent, they would never had gotten to this point, he would have been signed 2 years ago. Maybe he personally felt coming off an MVP year, he would have non stop progress in his game and the market/his value would naturally rise along with it. The Deshaun deal threw a kink into the whole thing (and I'm just speculating) and maybe he re-assessed from a big payday in his thoughts to "Wow I am better than this guy and I'm not a scum human being like Deshaun, if anyone deserves a gtd contract its me. I got an MVP yadda yadda yadda" A miscalculation on his part and again, b/c he doesn't have real actual market-based advice, just looking around at other contracts and deciding he should get the same/more than other players. He has no one in his ear telling him "it doesn't work like that" so here we are. Now its even more complicated b/c a team has to both give up a contract that he won't get along with 2 1st round picks and again, no one able to tell him "this is a bad spot you/we are in"

I personally believe that while Lamar doesn't have an agent, someone is giving him advice . . . whether that be from agents that want to be his agent, current or former players, agents of other players, sports lawyers, a publicist, a PR company, a mentor, his former college coach, etc. Maybe Jackson really is flying solo throughout this whole affair, but I tend to doubt it. At least, I hope he isn't trying to do all this without at least getting opinions from others.

I mean I agree. Just its definitely optimal/professional/the best advice IMO as the results thus far speak for themselves

Honestly the results are neutral at any point before the off season program begins. After that point both Lamar and the Ravens will see diminishing returns on every level in 2023.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I do think it is strange that the Ravens are being portrayed as a cheap franchise or they are low balling Lamar. Maybe that is true but I haven't seen evidence of that. This org made Flacco the highest paid QB (at the time). They locked up Andrews with the most guaranteed money for a TE ever in 2021. Yeah Orlando Brown wanted top LT money and the Ravens didn't pay him but that is because they already had a top 5 LT salary on the books. They just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in the league. They generally pay to keep what they consider their core players.

It really seems simple to me, Lamar wants Watson's deal, the Ravens are saying that deal is an outlier and they aren't and won't be the Browns. They offer Lamar something a little more than the Russ or Kyler extensions, when he turned it down they said "ok good luck getting the Watson deal from another team".

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think the Ravens are coming off as cheap. At this point, I think they may be happier if Lamar wasn't on the roster anymore . . . but they can't come out and say that for fear of alienating the fan base.

I liken this whole situation to the Red Sox and Pedro Martinez back in 2005. Martinez was 32 and obviously an all-time great pitcher, having won 3 Cy Young Awards. He had just helped the Sox win their first title in 80+ seasons. But he was not as sharp that year (his ERA was almost double), he suffered a shoulder injury, and there was some concern about how long he could keep at it and be a difference maker. His velocity and movement had dipped some.

Boston knew that they had to come off looking like they tried their best to re-sign him to shift the burden to Pedro as the one that chose to leave. But they didn't really want him back for what he was asking. The Red Sox front office indicated publicly they really wanted him back, were making him fair market offers, and were looking forward to his return. They intentionally offered less money and fewer years than other teams, and he ended up leaving to the Mets for 4 years/$50M. Pedro for the Sox had an ERA+ score of 190. With the Mets, that fell to 109 (league average is 100). He averaged 19 starts for the Mets (vs. 29 a year for Boston). I am pretty confident the Sox brass breathed a sigh of relief when Martinez left town. Of course, they did the whole thanks for the memories thing when he left, and they ended up playing the whole thing like PR geniuses.

We'll have to see how things progress with Jackson, but it would not shock me if Lamar and the Ravens front office are looking for an exit strategy that makes sense for both sides. It could end up that there isn't one, and both sides may have to put on a pretend happy face and continue to coexist and work together. For now, I don't feel a lot of warmth or love when one discusses the other.

I pity your keyboard.

 

[GroveDiesel]

We are truly in the weirdest timeline. Meek Mill reportedly texted Robert Kraft and said Jackson wants to play for NE. Kraft told him it was up to BB.

 

[Ghost Rider]

We are truly in the weirdest timeline. Meek Mill reportedly texted Robert Kraft and said Jackson wants to play for NE. Kraft told him it was up to BB.

That would be wild. You'd have three of the top 10 QBs all in the NFC East (Allen, Rodgers, Jackson), assuming the Rodgers deal to the Jets happen. (yes, despite my stance that paying Jackson what he wants might not be in the best interests of many teams, he is still a top 10 QB right now)

The poor Dolphins would suddenly be facing a deficit at QB again after thinking they had moved up in the division in that regard last year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We are truly in the weirdest timeline. Meek Mill reportedly texted Robert Kraft and said Jackson wants to play for NE. Kraft told him it was up to BB.

Sensational Gossip

Love it GD and that would be the ultimate spit in the eye for the Jets and Dolphins, still flying in coach after all these years

 

[Anarchy99]

We are truly in the weirdest timeline. Meek Mill reportedly texted Robert Kraft and said Jackson wants to play for NE. Kraft told him it was up to BB.

I have been beating the drum that NE should be interested and internally will discuss it. But they have talks on a lot of players, and most don't go anywhere. In this case, if you've ever heard BB discuss Lamar, you know he would love to have him as his QB. But they won't part with two firsts and give him a fully guaranteed contract. That's not their style. I suspect that there has been some discussion already, as several former NE players have started discussing the possibility. That usually doesn't happen unless they heard something from someone. We'll have to see if Lamar lowers his demands and if NE ups what they would normal do to acquire and pay for a QB. Kraft wants NE to be relevant and a contender ASAP. Depending what they give up, IMO, they stand a better chance with Lamar than Mac in that regard. I've outlined how putrid the NE first round picks have been the past decade (the ones they didn't have to forfeit). IMO, teams value draft picks way more than they should. I'd be down for the Pats to end up with Lamar, but not sure other fans would love that outcome.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We are truly in the weirdest timeline. Meek Mill reportedly texted Robert Kraft and said Jackson wants to play for NE. Kraft told him it was up to BB.

That would be wild. You'd have three of the top 10 QBs all in the NFC East (Allen, Rodgers, Jackson), assuming the Rodgers deal to the Jets happen. (yes, despite my stance that paying Jackson what he wants might not be in the best interests of many teams, he is still a top 10 QB right now)

The poor Dolphins would suddenly be facing a deficit at QB again after thinking they had moved up in the division in that regard last year.

And this should land the plane for many as to why MoP is trying to sell his abilities to be Lamar Jackson's agent
If it's not going to be Miami, it cannot be one of the other 2 QB needy teams in the East
Miami or Bust for Lamar Jackson is how I look at it, if he ends up in New York or New England, Stephen Ross should just turn his keys in at the front desk.

Now if Jackson ends up in the NFC or somewhere like Houston/Tennessee, no problem.
If Rodgers signs with the Jets, that's just a 1-2 year rental in my opinion, not that big a deal although it complicates '23 for the Miami Dolphins.

 

[menobrown]

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Regardless of what the Colts or anyone else might love about Lamar Jackson, the very clear stance from people here at the owners meetings I've talked to is that whatever contract demands he is currently making are absolutely a non starter. Do with this info whatever you wish.

 

[Terpman22]

Its also b/c the Ravens can control the narrative, b/c all Lamar has speaking on his behalf is himself. The Ravens can leak anything and everything they want. All Lamar can do is tweet some stuff like "They never offered me that" and I mean, fans are left to believe who they want. If he had an agent, they would never had gotten to this point, he would have been signed 2 years ago. Maybe he personally felt coming off an MVP year, he would have non stop progress in his game and the market/his value would naturally rise along with it. The Deshaun deal threw a kink into the whole thing (and I'm just speculating) and maybe he re-assessed from a big payday in his thoughts to "Wow I am better than this guy and I'm not a scum human being like Deshaun, if anyone deserves a gtd contract its me. I got an MVP yadda yadda yadda" A miscalculation on his part and again, b/c he doesn't have real actual market-based advice, just looking around at other contracts and deciding he should get the same/more than other players. He has no one in his ear telling him "it doesn't work like that" so here we are. Now its even more complicated b/c a team has to both give up a contract that he won't get along with 2 1st round picks and again, no one able to tell him "this is a bad spot you/we are in"

I personally believe that while Lamar doesn't have an agent, someone is giving him advice . . . whether that be from agents that want to be his agent, current or former players, agents of other players, sports lawyers, a publicist, a PR company, a mentor, his former college coach, etc. Maybe Jackson really is flying solo throughout this whole affair, but I tend to doubt it. At least, I hope he isn't trying to do all this without at least getting opinions from others.

I mean I agree. Just its definitely optimal/professional/the best advice IMO as the results thus far speak for themselves

Honestly the results are neutral at any point before the off season program begins. After that point both Lamar and the Ravens will see diminishing returns on every level in 2023.

I do not agree. No 1st round rookie QB under the new rookie wage scale has been franchised after their 5th year option picked up. Let alone the non exclusive tag. Both are in a bad place, so I would not agree the results are neutral. Its bad all around for both sides. To each their own, but no one can deny this has been handled poorly at this point.

 

[Faust]

Colts GM Chris Ballard did not rule out the possibility of the team pursuing Lamar Jackson this offseason.​

The Colts are the only team that hasn't immediately shot down the idea of adding Jackson. Ballard spoke highly of Jackson when asked about whether or not the team would pursue him this offseason. He capped a lengthy statement regarding a potential trade for the former MVP by saying, "You've got to do your work on it to see if it's doable. Sometimes it is, sometimes it's not." Currently holding the No. 4 overall pick in this year's draft, the Colts have a number of directions they could go in to improve their quarterback situation this offseason. It's likely they'll have one of the top rookies in the class available to them, but Jackson has a proven track record to go with a 45-16 record in the regular season.
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SOURCE: Stephen Holder on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 4:58 PM ET

 

[Tau837]

Would I want a guy on my team not smart enough to understand how an agent helps you and your market value, let alone PR.

If all these teams care about is winning, why would they care if he is not smart enough to understand how an agent helps his market value and PR when the Ravens win 70% of their games with him as QB?

I hear ya, but you have to wonder how the extension talks and etc will be moving forward. And to me, its math really. "is it worth the 7%/agent fee to lose $50M more than an agent can get you"

For accuracy's sake, agent commissions in the NFL are capped at 3%. So Lamar is actually saving a lot less than the hypotheticals being thrown around in here.

Not to mention, it was posted earlier in the thread that many agents would charge him much less than 3% (e.g., 1%) so they could represent LAMAR JACKSON.

 

[Tau837]

Or that he is available for about 70% of the Ravens' games.

Lamar missed 12 regular season games in 5 years (meaning he played 85% of the time). Daniel Jones missed 12 games in 4 years. Did people even bring that up when he signed his extension for 4 / $160M / $82M guaranteed with the Giants?

While mostly factual (he barely played in the first nine games of his rookie year as he didn't start until their 10th game, but if you want to count those, have at it), he has missed 11 of their games in the last 35 games the last two seasons (counting the playoff game). If someone wants to pay crazy money to a QB who has been available in less than 70% of his team's games in the last two seasons, more power to them.

And don't give me that "anyone can get hurt, it's football!" comeback. Part of being great is being durable, and Jackson is breaking down seemingly every year now. He has failed to finish three of the Ravens' five seasons due to injury (he was knocked out of the Buffalo playoff game following the 2020 season with a concussion). That is a fact.

You can have any opinion you want and suggest a team offer or not offer players contracts and for how much. But guess what . . . QBs get hurt.

Aaron Rodgers missed half a season twice in his career. Matthew Stafford missed half a season twice in the past 4 years. I already mentioned Daniel Jones. Dak Prescott missed 17 games in 3 seasons. Tua missed 9 games in recent seasons. Kyler Murray missed half a season of games. Joe Burrow went on IR and missed the last month and a half one year. DeShawn Watson missed 27 games and wasn't even hurt . . . and look at the deal he got. Jimmy G missed two seasons worth of games for SF. That's a whole bunch of QBs that made a BOATLOAD of money . . . and have been banged up quite a bit. That comes with the territory in the NFL. I get it, if you were an NFL GM, you wouldn't have an interest in Lamar. But the injury and availability card could be applied to a lot of players.

How many of them missed the last several games, including playoffs, of each of the last 2 seasons before they signed their big contracts? Pretty sure the answer is none.

 

[Tau837]

You saying the salary cap is real, so are unicorns to little children

You should really educate yourself about the stuff you desire to comment about. No offense, but you are coming across as if you have no clue about how the NFL salary cap works.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You saying the salary cap is real, so are unicorns to little children

You should really educate yourself about the stuff you desire to comment about. You are coming across as if you have no clue about how the NFL salary cap works.

And you are acting condescending like its not reported one day a team is $50M OTC and the next day they erase that deficit

MONOPOLY MONEY!!!

Let's not sugarcoat MoP comments or act condescending when we know perfectly well why MoP is railing and screaming and joking about things LJ related.

You just said "MoP has no clue and is embarrassing himself"...now you didn't quite say it that way but I have thick skin, let's not mince words.
I respect the views of others, question if they truly believe what they are pitching as their mantra but I respect their views.
Not everyone has to like Lamar Jackson, i understand.

But everyone should see the double standard being played out for him vs Daniel Jones an inferior QB gets what he wants immediately while the Ravens seem to have gone out of their way to push things to this point and throw their hands up in the air and get people to buy into this..."Well, if he only had an agent"

it's bunch of poppy poop and most know it
I'm not saying you said exactly anything in this post but you put yourself out there when you try and insult my intelligence
I certainly don't treat you or others in that manner
All good from my POV

 

[Tau837]

You saying the salary cap is real, so are unicorns to little children

You should really educate yourself about the stuff you desire to comment about. You are coming across as if you have no clue about how the NFL salary cap works.

And you are acting condescending like its not reported one day a team is $50M OTC and the next day they erase that deficit

MONOPOLY MONEY!!!

Let's not sugarcoat MoP comments or act condescending when we know perfectly well why MoP is railing and screaming and joking about things LJ related.

You just said "MoP has no clue and is embarrassing himself"...now you didn't quite say it that way but I have thick skin, let's not mince words.
I respect the views of others, question if they truly believe what they are pitching as their mantra but I respect their views.
Not everyone has to like Lamar Jackson, i understand.

But everyone should see the double standard being played out for him vs Daniel Jones an inferior QB gets what he wants immediately while the Ravens seem to have gone out of their way to push things to this point and throw their hands up in the air and get people to buy into this..."Well, if he only had an agent"

it's bunch of poppy poop and most know it
I'm not saying you said exactly anything in this post but you put yourself out there when you try and insult my intelligence
I certainly don't treat you or others in that manner
All good from my POV

My comment here is blunt but accurate.

It has nothing to do with Jackson or Jones, but you bring all of that into your response to confuse the matter.

You are 100% wrong in all of the silly things you say about the NFL salary cap. I was trying to help you understand that... understand facts. I see that you are unwilling to listen, but I tried.

And, yes, all good from my POV also. Saying you don't understand the salary cap is not an insult... you have demonstrated that to be a fact.

Carry on.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's pretty rich to see people that likely work for a living vs NFL Owners and feeling compassion and sympathy for all 32 NFL owners, again it's PREPOSTEROUS!

-To try and side with the owners who have to "cobble" these deals together with the very few resources they have in their bank accounts, those poor poor owners.

Are people thinking this? More reckless speculation.
Unfortunately, the salary cap is real. Also unfortunately, it actually isn't that easy to throw half a trillion in escrow. As mentioned before, Lamar's money isn't the only money in escrow.
That, And these owners have more than one business, and partners.
The owners have more leverage than Lamar. Period. Their business goes on just fine without him.
Pretty sure nobody is feeling bad for the owners though.

You saying the salary cap is real, so are unicorns to little children
It's monopoly money that can look like $50M OTC one day and $25M UTC the next when teams want to restructure everyone and some teams do just that.
Miami has gotten almost everyone to restructure, not even a handful of the stars they have are counting more than $10M against the cap. They have a few 8 figure types but not many
'24, '25...who cares? I want to know what we are doing in 2023.

I'm only thinking like the normal average rose colored wearing glasses fan that many are.
I've done nothing but bash the Phins for over 2 decades on here, ask any Miami fan, they'll tell you.
Stephen Ross has made it easy, being a Bengals fan you should understand how I feel more than most on here.

Why did you take my last post personal? Worried you are going to have to look at things thru Mike Brown's eyes again?

I guess every team should just pay every player whatever cause.......why not? Makes no sense a team would ever lose any player ever then.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's pretty rich to see people that likely work for a living vs NFL Owners and feeling compassion and sympathy for all 32 NFL owners, again it's PREPOSTEROUS!

-To try and side with the owners who have to "cobble" these deals together with the very few resources they have in their bank accounts, those poor poor owners.

Are people thinking this? More reckless speculation.

I don't think it's about reckless speculation as much as it is MoP's blatant disregard for proper procedure in the NFL

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""You're Damn Right!"

La La La La
I am not listening
All I know is Lamar Jackson wants out of Baltimore and I have several teams he would be perfect with, not the least of which is the Miami Dolphins

Everything else is just silliness in terms of trying to lend credence to a bunch of Billionaires with nothing but time and money to burn.
I do not respect the salary cap and anyone that uses that as the basis of their platform is selling weak sauce IMHO

I hope we can still keep posting GG123, it's not personal on my side,
I appreciate you taking the time to go back and forth with me
I'll try and curtail a few of the jokes but I find the breaking news today as rather important.
It proves for sure that Jackson wants to try and switch to a new team, we had no proof of that before today.

What are you talking about?

 

[-OZ-]

Jets GM: Lamar Jackson Pursuit Would Be 'In Bad Faith' amid Aaron Rodgers Trade Talks

Good for them. But it just seems odd to want to pay Rodgers what he’ll presumably get, while they’re building with young players, and not be interested in LJ. Maybe he doesn’t fit their mold but that would be an exciting team IMO.
I’d gladly say they know more than me, although they haven’t proven to be great at building a franchise recently.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It's pretty rich to see people that likely work for a living vs NFL Owners and feeling compassion and sympathy for all 32 NFL owners, again it's PREPOSTEROUS!

-To try and side with the owners who have to "cobble" these deals together with the very few resources they have in their bank accounts, those poor poor owners.

Are people thinking this? More reckless speculation.

I don't think it's about reckless speculation as much as it is MoP's blatant disregard for proper procedure in the NFL

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""You're Damn Right!"

La La La La
I am not listening
All I know is Lamar Jackson wants out of Baltimore and I have several teams he would be perfect with, not the least of which is the Miami Dolphins

Everything else is just silliness in terms of trying to lend credence to a bunch of Billionaires with nothing but time and money to burn.
I do not respect the salary cap and anyone that uses that as the basis of their platform is selling weak sauce IMHO

I hope we can still keep posting GG123, it's not personal on my side,
I appreciate you taking the time to go back and forth with me
I'll try and curtail a few of the jokes but I find the breaking news today as rather important.
It proves for sure that Jackson wants to try and switch to a new team, we had no proof of that before today.

What are you talking about?

One never knows. His entire posting style is like an overly emotional person on Twitter who has little to no grasp of reality or how it works. SIGN LAMAR JACKSON JUST BECAUSE!!!!!

One should not expect much more from someone who sometimes refers to himself in the 3rd person. (this is a thing to apply to life in general)

 

[IHEARTFF]

Lamar for Mac Jones and 1.14. Love to. Lamar for 1.8 and Atl 24 1. Do it.
Lamar for 1.4 and 2.4. Let’s go.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Jets should be in too. Washington should be in. Raiders. Lions.

 

[ghostguy123]

Jets should be in too. Washington should be in. Raiders. Lions.

Ya know what.......they might be, and we just don't know it.
We've discussed this weeks back. It's not a great idea to publically announce your interest in a QB you probably won't get.

 

[metoo]

The question is what happens to Josh Allen when he "loses his legs"?

When Allen "loses his legs" he will be a less effective QB. Same as Jackson. The difference is that Allen is a better passer, so his version of "less effective QB" will be better than Jackson's.

Is he? I always assumed he was because everybody loves him but IIRC he had a fairly awful completion percentage comingnip

Sure, Lamar isn’t going to lead the league in passing yards, but that doesn’t mean he is a terrible passer. Of active QB, he ranks 10th in career QB rating and 11th in YPA. IMO, in a more pass friendly offense with some better weapons, he would be just fine and his passing numbers would go up.

I tend to think his passing efficiency is directly related to his running ability.

Why is this such a tough concept for so many people?

SB22, do you think Jackson has elite weapons at his disposal?
If you put Jackson on the Miami Dolphins as an example, would Miami elevate in your mind/opinion or be right about where they are right now?
Tua is considered a Top 10 QB when he isn't in concussion protocol.

I do not think Jackson has elite weapons and I don’t think they put enough around him earlier his career either.

With that said, IMHO, the amount of weapons needed for a running QB to succeed is greater than what’s necessary for a very skilled albeit less mobile QB.

Changing teams doesn’t do anything for me because IIRC, Jackson has been unavailable for the last quarter in each of the past two seasons.

Who has been available for the Ravens the last few years? The team has suffered more injuries than most. The Ravens S&C had been trash can water.

 

[Faust]

Commanders will not pursue QB Lamar Jackson.​

Speaking Monday, Commanders General Manager Martin Mayhew clearly stated the team will not pursue quarterback Lamar Jackson. He ended his response to questions surrounding the enigmatic quarterback saying, "For us right now, we're moving forward with Sam (Howell) and Jacoby (Brissett).” It seems every quarterback-needy team is going to be asked the same question after Jackson publicly announced that he had requested a trade early Monday morning.
SOURCE: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 6:11 PM ET

 

[metoo]

I think Lamar should hire MoP as his agent

Actually I would just like to see him going MoP on teams in negotiations

-QG

That may be the only way he could possibly handle this worse than he has.

Only if MOP is going to bring tuna and capers to the meetings. Other than that I don't see the value. A classic thread.

 

[Chaka]

I do not agree. No 1st round rookie QB under the new rookie wage scale has been franchised after their 5th year option picked up. Let alone the non exclusive tag. Both are in a bad place, so I would not agree the results are neutral. Its bad all around for both sides. To each their own, but no one can deny this has been handled poorly at this point

It's a unique situation on paper and in the media. But it's all irrelevant until he starts missing time with the Ravens, or his new team.

If he signs, franchise tender or new contract before the first day of OTAs and is there for the off-season program all that has happened before will be a footnote at best.

 

[Stoneworker]

I do not agree. No 1st round rookie QB under the new rookie wage scale has been franchised after their 5th year option picked up. Let alone the non exclusive tag. Both are in a bad place, so I would not agree the results are neutral. Its bad all around for both sides. To each their own, but no one can deny this has been handled poorly at this point

It's a unique situation on paper and in the media. But it's all irrelevant until he starts missing time with the Ravens, or his new team.

If he signs, franchise tender or new contract before the first day of OTAs and is there for the off-season program all that has happened before will be a footnote at best.

Seems like the situation is very relevant if draft day comes and goes, since there are potentially two 1st rounders in play. Not to mention all potential trade partners will need to know their QB situation by then. Ravens to a lesser extent since Jackson can still play for them on the tag.

 

[GregR]

Sometimes a situation is someone playing checkers against someone else playing chess.

This feels like Lamar Jackson is playing that game where you get the ball on the string into the cup, and wearing a dunce hat while doing it. This isn't even about the game the Ravens are playing. This is just Lamar not being competent in his decision making.

A player that just needs to work out contract details on an extension with his single team, can probably get by without an agent. Come out ahead where the saved agent fee is more recouped than the better contract they might have gotten. Tunsil was an example of a situation it could work.

A player that has all of the complexity of Lamar's situation? I think it's foolish to not have an agent just for the extra resources and the experience that comes with an agent. He can get advice, but he's got to carry through on it on his own. And that's just leaving himself at such a disadvantage at a time he needs to be talking to multiple teams, executing strategy to drum up interest, etc.

A guy coming off his injury concerns doesn't need to be sitting out for a year or a length of a season either. Nor should he go out and loaf, be a bad teammate, or not play his best in some misguided belief that's going to encourage teams to give him the big contract he wants.

 

[Chaka]

I do not agree. No 1st round rookie QB under the new rookie wage scale has been franchised after their 5th year option picked up. Let alone the non exclusive tag. Both are in a bad place, so I would not agree the results are neutral. Its bad all around for both sides. To each their own, but no one can deny this has been handled poorly at this point

It's a unique situation on paper and in the media. But it's all irrelevant until he starts missing time with the Ravens, or his new team.

If he signs, franchise tender or new contract before the first day of OTAs and is there for the off-season program all that has happened before will be a footnote at best.

Seems like the situation is very relevant if draft day comes and goes, since there are potentially two 1st rounders in play. Not to mention all potential trade partners will need to know their QB situation by then. Ravens to a lesser extent since Jackson can still play for them on the tag.

Yes, several teams will draft QBs. However under the franchise tag rules more teams will be able to make a move for Lamar after the draft. It has been discussed here extensively.

Under a sign and trade framework any team with a stop-gap QB will still be able to make a move as well.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You saying the salary cap is real, so are unicorns to little children

You should really educate yourself about the stuff you desire to comment about. You are coming across as if you have no clue about how the NFL salary cap works.

And you are acting condescending like its not reported one day a team is $50M OTC and the next day they erase that deficit

MONOPOLY MONEY!!!

Let's not sugarcoat MoP comments or act condescending when we know perfectly well why MoP is railing and screaming and joking about things LJ related.

You just said "MoP has no clue and is embarrassing himself"...now you didn't quite say it that way but I have thick skin, let's not mince words.
I respect the views of others, question if they truly believe what they are pitching as their mantra but I respect their views.
Not everyone has to like Lamar Jackson, i understand.

But everyone should see the double standard being played out for him vs Daniel Jones an inferior QB gets what he wants immediately while the Ravens seem to have gone out of their way to push things to this point and throw their hands up in the air and get people to buy into this..."Well, if he only had an agent"

it's bunch of poppy poop and most know it
I'm not saying you said exactly anything in this post but you put yourself out there when you try and insult my intelligence
I certainly don't treat you or others in that manner
All good from my POV

My comment here is blunt but accurate.

It has nothing to do with Jackson or Jones, but you bring all of that into your response to confuse the matter.

You are 100% wrong in all of the silly things you say about the NFL salary cap. I was trying to help you understand that... understand facts. I see that you are unwilling to listen, but I tried.

And, yes, all good from my POV also. Saying you don't understand the salary cap is not an insult... you have demonstrated that to be a fact.

Carry on.

Just because you say it and my two biggest fans hit the "Like" button behind you doesn't make it true.
It's true to you or your POV but for you to dismiss my examples of player after player that turns a yearly salary into a singing bonus or roster bonus and perverts the salary cap
You're just being obtuse and have demonstrated that to many on here.

Trying to educate me only serves for you to feel like your way of thinking is superior which again demonstrates being obtuse to other POV

Let's not forget the many examples of FACTS I have inserted that many didn't even know were part of the land scape

Example...it was news to many when MoP mentioned that teams can start making offers without any worry about their 2023 Draft picks starting within 48 hours of the Draft, that's kind of an important point when so many feel righteous because Lamar Jackson has not signed an offer sheet yet and then do the usual tear down of Jackson the Agent and insult the man's intelligence much like many who want to disagree with MoP simply resort to tearing down the poster vs debating facts and spin it like they know more

It's super insulting to the audience but carry on Man, carry on for gawd's sake!

 

[GroveDiesel]

Jets GM: Lamar Jackson Pursuit Would Be 'In Bad Faith' amid Aaron Rodgers Trade Talks

Good for them. But it just seems odd to want to pay Rodgers what he’ll presumably get, while they’re building with young players, and not be interested in LJ. Maybe he doesn’t fit their mold but that would be an exciting team IMO.
I’d gladly say they know more than me, although they haven’t proven to be great at building a franchise recently.

It’s a really odd thing to say IMO. If they actually are exploring options with Jackson, then if it would happen, this would make them look really really bad by their own words/admission.

If they’re not pursuing Jackson in any way, shape, or form, and they’re not doing it because it would be “in bad faith”, then they’re an incompetent organization. Why wouldn’t you pursue every avenue and even use the leverage it provides? Green Bay wants too much for Rodgers? Well let them know you’re looking into the younger Jackson and let them think about what next year might look like if Rodgers is still on GB.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I can feel a salary cap thread coming with math lessons and pizza pie charts, what should we call it?

The Emperor-Roger Goodell's New Salary Cap
Call it a companion piece to the Civil War thread from years ago.
Like Eastwood with Letters from Iwo Jima and Flags of Our Fathers
I might have set the bar a little high there