fatness
Footballguy
I'm going to disagree there. Greg Roman runs an offense tailored to the running game's strengths.
That's why he's unemployed.
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That's why he's unemployed.
fatness
Footballguy
That's pretty insulting to his character without knowing anything at all about how his negotiating sessions have gone so far. I do not think "running QB" means "stupid man".
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Thanks for this. People are talking about Jackson in a vacuum, as though other QB's have not gotten hurt and will not get hurt.
That is a mix of top tier passing QBs (LJ is not), a couple deals (Murray, Watson, Jones?) that are the laughing stock of the league, and contracts that were and are indeed affected by injury concerns (Jimmy, Tua).... etc.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Quincy Carrier
@Kwen_C
Ravens have been able to give him a extension since 2021, the Ravens CHOOSE to kick this can down the road and it backfired on them. He should of had a extension before DW4 was even trade. So yes it's 100% the Ravens fault
@Kwen_C
Ravens have been able to give him a extension since 2021, the Ravens CHOOSE to kick this can down the road and it backfired on them. He should of had a extension before DW4 was even trade. So yes it's 100% the Ravens fault
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
[URL='https://twitter.com/mortreport']Chris Mortensen[/URL]
@mortreport
A few teams (owners included) have discussed Jackson's case. One team was hesitant re: number of games/snaps & practices missed last 2 to 3 years vs $$$ invested. Also wonder whether his sleep habits and nutrition contribute to his absences. Nobody speaks ill of his character.
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Brent Sobleski
@brentsobleski
Can't find anything wrong with a prospect? "There's a red flag because he doesn't have a red flag?" Don't want to pay a former NFL MVP a guaranteed contract." "Well, we're kind of concerned about his sleep patterns and nutrition." This league, man. It's all so transparent.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I doubt most NFL players understand the nuances of contracts and all the minute language that goes into them; that is what agents are for, to do that kind of "grunt work" for the players, all of whom have spent most of their lives playing football at a high level. It's not a matter of intelligence, but a matter of knowledge.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Where did I say him being a running QB makes him a "stupid man"? You won't find it because I did not. What does running, passing, etc have to do with brains?
Not did I insult his character. It is not insulting to his character to say he's in over his head. So would I be. So would most of us be. I'm no lawyer. I deal with contracts all the time, but I have no idea about NFL contracts because it is a speciality. I'd be smart enough to hire an expert to negotiate my $250M+ contract though. And I justified my opinion on him being in over his head with his academic and contractual negotiation training. Which for him is: 1) bad and 2) none.
GregR
Footballguy
A plant was having a problem with a machine, so called in an outside engineer to take a look. He diagnosed the problem for about a minute, then tapped a spot a few times with his hammer, and the machine was back to working as before. He gave the company an invoice for $1000.
The plant manager was beside himself. "$1000!? You want $1000!? All you did was make a few taps with a hammer! I want a breakdown of how this costs $1000!"
The engineer shrugged and created a revised invoice. It read:
Tapping with a hammer: $2
Knowing where to tap: $998
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If Jackson does not want to pay 2-3-4% that is plain stupid. Let the agent deal with teams, let the agent do all the talking, let the agent take the heat. All Jackson has to say is "My agent is handling everything" That takes him off the hook for commenting on anything going forward.
GregR
Footballguy
On one hand Lamar is kind of getting screwed by the NFLPA having put into the CBA that teams can only negotiate with the player or agents that the NFLPA has certified.
On the other hand, the NFLPA did that to protect players like Lamar from getting involved with bad actors who are either unqualified, or worse, out to just take the player. So it is accomplishing its goal and reducing the risk to Lamar. If LJ wants to send his business partner in gym equipment out to act like an agent for him then he'll need to get certified to show he's competent.
But Jackson's situation is way up the charts in terms of difficult contract situations to work through. Dealing with the tag, trying to get teams to be willing to negotiate with him, trying to get the Ravens to be ok pursuing a trade, trying to get other teams to pursue a trade, and then actually hammering out contract details. I mean I wouldn't want to have to take that on.
Frankly he could probably also use another voice in his head about what's realistic, though no idea what advice he's getting. But if he got an agent I'd imagine he'd give their input some weight. If he's holding out for a Watson contract, it just isn't likely to happen and I imagine he ends up worse from all this than if he'd just gotten the contract he could have if Watson's never existed. I mean heck, Watson's could have still given him a bump by letting him start higher and still come down to something more realistic.
On the other hand, the NFLPA did that to protect players like Lamar from getting involved with bad actors who are either unqualified, or worse, out to just take the player. So it is accomplishing its goal and reducing the risk to Lamar. If LJ wants to send his business partner in gym equipment out to act like an agent for him then he'll need to get certified to show he's competent.
But Jackson's situation is way up the charts in terms of difficult contract situations to work through. Dealing with the tag, trying to get teams to be willing to negotiate with him, trying to get the Ravens to be ok pursuing a trade, trying to get other teams to pursue a trade, and then actually hammering out contract details. I mean I wouldn't want to have to take that on.
Frankly he could probably also use another voice in his head about what's realistic, though no idea what advice he's getting. But if he got an agent I'd imagine he'd give their input some weight. If he's holding out for a Watson contract, it just isn't likely to happen and I imagine he ends up worse from all this than if he'd just gotten the contract he could have if Watson's never existed. I mean heck, Watson's could have still given him a bump by letting him start higher and still come down to something more realistic.
Tau837
Footballguy
Just because you say it and my two biggest fans hit the "Like" button behind you doesn't make it true.
My comment here is blunt but accurate.
It has nothing to do with Jackson or Jones, but you bring all of that into your response to confuse the matter.
You are 100% wrong in all of the silly things you say about the NFL salary cap. I was trying to help you understand that... understand facts. I see that you are unwilling to listen, but I tried.
And, yes, all good from my POV also. Saying you don't understand the salary cap is not an insult... you have demonstrated that to be a fact.
Carry on.
It's true to you or your POV but for you to dismiss my examples of player after player that turns a yearly salary into a singing bonus or roster bonus and perverts the salary cap
You're just being obtuse and have demonstrated that to many on here.
Trying to educate me only serves for you to feel like your way of thinking is superior which again demonstrates being obtuse to other POV
Let's not forget the many examples of FACTS I have inserted that many didn't even know were part of the land scape
Example...it was news to many when MoP mentioned that teams can start making offers without any worry about their 2023 Draft picks starting within 48 hours of the Draft, that's kind of an important point when so many feel righteous because Lamar Jackson has not signed an offer sheet yet and then do the usual tear down of Jackson the Agent and insult the man's intelligence much like many who want to disagree with MoP simply resort to tearing down the poster vs debating facts and spin it like they know more
It's super insulting to the audience but carry on Man, carry on for gawd's sake!
You are the one who responded to the idea of the Giants trading Jones for Jackson and taking a $92M cap hit by saying it was okay, because "it's not a puzzle where everything has to fit neatly."
All guaranteed cap commitments have to hit the cap sooner or later. There are methods to push cap hits to future years, but that only goes so far. The Packers stupidly signed Rodgers to a contract last year that will stick them with dead cap hits close to $16M in 2023 and 2024 if they trade him after June 1. Do you think that helps or hurts their chance to compete in those seasons? The answer is obvious.
But, again, carry on making inaccurate statements about the cap to your heart's content. You are the one making yourself look foolish.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Lamar Jackson requests trade:
... A couple of procedural notes:
1. According to Article 9, Section 3(h) of the NFL collective bargaining agreement, the Ravens cannot receive trade compensation of more than the CBA-mandated two first-round picks.
2. A team can wait until after the 2023 NFL Draft to sign Jackson to an offer sheet, with 2024 and 2025 first-round picks then becoming the compensation.
3. A team cannot send first-round draft picks acquired from another team unless those picks fall higher than their original slot. For example, the Detroit Lions could send the No. 6 overall pick they acquired from the Los Angeles Rams, though they wouldn’t want to do that. On the flip side, the Saints could not send the No. 29 overall pick that originally belonged to the San Francisco 49ers.
... A couple of procedural notes:
1. According to Article 9, Section 3(h) of the NFL collective bargaining agreement, the Ravens cannot receive trade compensation of more than the CBA-mandated two first-round picks.
2. A team can wait until after the 2023 NFL Draft to sign Jackson to an offer sheet, with 2024 and 2025 first-round picks then becoming the compensation.
3. A team cannot send first-round draft picks acquired from another team unless those picks fall higher than their original slot. For example, the Detroit Lions could send the No. 6 overall pick they acquired from the Los Angeles Rams, though they wouldn’t want to do that. On the flip side, the Saints could not send the No. 29 overall pick that originally belonged to the San Francisco 49ers.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I am curious about this one. What if a trade is agreed on with other components (ie players and other picks involved). Also, as far as I know, that stipulation would only apply while Lamar is in limbo and the other team offer sheet matching option is on the table. I believe (but am not totally sure) that once Jackson signs his franchise tag offer with BAL, then the Ravens can trade him for whatever they can get for him (essentially trading his rights without any salary cap liability).
If he signs the tender, is then on the team, they could get whatever in a trade.
-OZ-
Footballguy
This seems ridiculous. The CBA allows a team to send picks higher than its actual pick, but can’t give more than two firsts (which would generally be their own picks). That’s not necessarily inconsistent in fact but seems to be an odd quirk (won’t call it a loophole)
GregR
Footballguy
Not allowed. A trade involving such a player cannot include acquiring other player contracts.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I looked at Article 9, Section 3(h) of the NFL collective bargaining agreement (as mentioned above).
No Consideration Between Clubs. There may be no consideration of any kind given by one Club to another Club in exchange for a Club’s decision to exercise or not to exercise its Right of First Refusal, or in exchange for a Club’s decision to submit or not to submit an Offer Sheet to a Restricted Free Agent or to make or not to make an offer to enter into a Player Contract with a Restricted Free Agent. Nothing in this Subsection shall preclude a Prior Club from entering into a Player Contract with a player subject to a Tender, and subsequently trading that player under that Player Contract to another Club. With respect to a trade involving any non-exclusive rights player subject to a Tender or Qualifying Offer who is a Nonexclusive Franchise Player or a Restricted Free Agent who is subject to a Qualifying Offer with Draft Choice Compensation, the following restrictions shall apply: (i) the Clubs may not agree to draft choice consideration that is greater than the draft choice compensation specified for the Tender or Qualifying Offer; (ii) the trade may not include the acquisition of another player’s Player Contract; and (iii) the player and the NFLPA must approve in advance any such trade that takes place during the Signing Period. With respect to a trade involving any non-exclusive rights player subject to a Tender or Qualifying Offer who is a Transition Player, or a Restricted Free Agent who is subject to a Qualifying Offer for a Right of First Refusal Only, the player and the NFLPA must approve in advance any such trade that takes place during the Signing Period. The provisions of this Subsection (h) shall not apply to a trade involving any player who is subject to a Tender or Qualifying Offer that provides for exclusive negotiating rights for the Prior Club (i.e., an Exclusive Franchise Player or an “Exclusive Rights Player,” as defined in Article 8, Section 2 of this Agreement). If a Club exercises its Right of First Refusal and matches an Offer Sheet, that Club may not trade that player to the Club that submitted the Offer Sheet for at least one calendar year, unless the player consents to such trade.
I highlighted the pertinent wording. Once Lamar signs his franchise tender with BAL, this entire section would not apply. He would no longer be a player subject to a tender or a qualifying offer. IMO, the Ravens could trade Jackson for whatever they want at that point. But before that point, they could only accept two first round picks.
No Consideration Between Clubs. There may be no consideration of any kind given by one Club to another Club in exchange for a Club’s decision to exercise or not to exercise its Right of First Refusal, or in exchange for a Club’s decision to submit or not to submit an Offer Sheet to a Restricted Free Agent or to make or not to make an offer to enter into a Player Contract with a Restricted Free Agent. Nothing in this Subsection shall preclude a Prior Club from entering into a Player Contract with a player subject to a Tender, and subsequently trading that player under that Player Contract to another Club. With respect to a trade involving any non-exclusive rights player subject to a Tender or Qualifying Offer who is a Nonexclusive Franchise Player or a Restricted Free Agent who is subject to a Qualifying Offer with Draft Choice Compensation, the following restrictions shall apply: (i) the Clubs may not agree to draft choice consideration that is greater than the draft choice compensation specified for the Tender or Qualifying Offer; (ii) the trade may not include the acquisition of another player’s Player Contract; and (iii) the player and the NFLPA must approve in advance any such trade that takes place during the Signing Period. With respect to a trade involving any non-exclusive rights player subject to a Tender or Qualifying Offer who is a Transition Player, or a Restricted Free Agent who is subject to a Qualifying Offer for a Right of First Refusal Only, the player and the NFLPA must approve in advance any such trade that takes place during the Signing Period. The provisions of this Subsection (h) shall not apply to a trade involving any player who is subject to a Tender or Qualifying Offer that provides for exclusive negotiating rights for the Prior Club (i.e., an Exclusive Franchise Player or an “Exclusive Rights Player,” as defined in Article 8, Section 2 of this Agreement). If a Club exercises its Right of First Refusal and matches an Offer Sheet, that Club may not trade that player to the Club that submitted the Offer Sheet for at least one calendar year, unless the player consents to such trade.
I highlighted the pertinent wording. Once Lamar signs his franchise tender with BAL, this entire section would not apply. He would no longer be a player subject to a tender or a qualifying offer. IMO, the Ravens could trade Jackson for whatever they want at that point. But before that point, they could only accept two first round picks.
GregR
Footballguy
Right, they would just be trading a player under contract at that point.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Tweet that was posted made it sound like the only possible trade outcome for the Ravens would be two first round picks. They can negotiate a trade for whatever they want . . . they just need to get Lamar to sign the franchise tag to execute it. Where things get way more complicated for the Ravens is if a team does sign him to an offer sheet. If they match, then thet are on the hook for his signing bonus money (which they would eat if they traded him after). I am also curious what happens if Jackson signs an offer sheet . . . and in the week they have to match, they work out a trade with another team. Not sure how that would work (ie, if Lamar could sign an offer sheet, change his mind, and sign the franchise tender). I would guess he couldn't but, I haven't researched the logistics of all that.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
FTR: I just call it.Monopoly Money
Almost every Dolphin with a big salary magically turned that into a signing or roster bonus/"restructure"
They move money from one side of the ledger to the other and poof, no more over the cap.
The way teams pervert the salary cap I'm shocked people want to use it as their platform like an SAT score, it's Preposterous!
But it makes people feel better to call others foolish as they argue over fuzzy math.
I need a slice of pizza, starving today.
GregR
Footballguy
Now imagine that you're self-negotiating your contract and you actually have to understand the details of how all of this works and what the possibilities are, to get to the best resolution you can.
GregR
Footballguy
Ordered Uber Eats with a 50% discount. $19 order delivered for $20 total. Which means normally it would have cost me $30 for a $19 order.
I don't know how people do it without a discount like that.
This version of "old man, stay off his lawn" brought to you live by Mutual Life. Because you could die tomorrow. Just like Buckwheat.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Teams can get creative and have "fuzzy math" with guys already on their roster. That's when they do any or all of the following: convert salary to bonus money, extended the contract, add contract incentives, add dummy years, or include option years. This is the Monopoly Money segment of the cap.
Where teams can't get creative is in things like matching a contract offer that another team extends (matching means matching) or having to eat dead cap hits for high priced players when they trade them. In the case of Lamar, if the Ravens end up matching an offer from another team for Lamar and then try to trade him, they could easily eat $100M in dead cap money . . . which they would have to eat when the trade is filed with the league. (And if they sign Lamar to an offer sheet, they can't tear it up and change the contract terms if they get him.)
The team acquiring a player has to be able to fit the player under their salary cap at the time they acquire him. They can't acquire him and then rework his deal. So all the things I just mentioned above can't happen right away. Teams would have to rework other contracts, release players, or do whatever financial and mental gymnastics to get under the cap. Teams also can only tinker with a contract once in a calendar year, so they can't just redo deals whenever they want.
Since you appointed yourself recently to GM and VP of Football Operations for the Dolphins, the NFL would tell you that you currently have $1M of cap space to work with. If you are interested in signing Lamar to an offer sheet, you have to be able to get Jackson on the books for $1M for 2023. And you don't have a first round pick this year. That won't be a problem after the draft . . . but it is at this juncture in time.
Bear in mind, that whatever you come up with, the Ravens can match. SPOILER ALERT: if you come up with a solution with a $1M cap hit for 2023 and limited guaranteed money, the Ravens 100% are going to match it. And if you are considering a trade with BAL instead, remember that teams take on dead cap money when they trade players . . . so if you were including players in a trade, that likely would take away your $1M in cap space (and likely would leave you over the cap and unable to complete the trade). But you being a savvy GM, I am sure you already have ways to game the system.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Calling it "Monopoly Money" implies a false narrative. All guaranteed money (signing bonuses, restructure bonuses, guaranteed roster bonuses, guaranteed salary, earned incentives) in all player contracts must eventually hit the cap, either by paying the player according to the contract terms if he is still playing for the team under that contract, or as dead cap money if a player is released or traded before completing his full contract.
The only exception is if a player agrees to a pay cut in his current contract, which is very rare. As a Chargers fan, the last example I recall is Corey Liuget, who reworked his contract and took a pay cut for the 2018 season to avoid being cut.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
My only concern is whether he negotiates himself out of the NFL.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
If you're going for 100% guaranteed money, you don't need to know anything about the CBA.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
What about when you don't get it?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Two issues.
First issue is CBS mandated two first-round draft picks. Highest tag means a team has to pay highest average salary and is eligible receive up to three first-round draft picks if another team signs their FA.
Lower tag means much less salary however a team can only receive two first-round draft picks. The CBA mandate was placed so teams can't place a lesser tag in other to pay a FA a lower salary knowing other teams would negotiate a lower contract and then have the team losing the FA turn around and demand more draft compensation.
The CBA mandate protects the FA or teams would give lower tags paying a lower salary then could also gain more draft compensation. By forcing lesser draft compensation, a team has to weigh:
Lesser tag = Lesser salary, however they are limited to Lesser draft compensation if another team signs their FA.
VS. Highest tag = Team has to pay-out the Highest average salary but they can potentially gain the Highest draft compensation if another team signs their FA
Second issue came about because the Raiders found a loophole years ago where they had a high draft pick but saw an opportunity and traded down to the last pick of the first-round, gaining extra picks for themselves and then turned around and signed a FA with the lower draft pick.
That closed the loophole protecting teams losing FAs.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Hold out or sign the franchise.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Thank you - I’ve learned something today.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Love you Greg
Thank You!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1st of all, thank you and FTR: Not salty at anyone.
I sent out smoke signals and deserve some of the criticism, it's fair
But let's not pretend the NFL Salary Cap is something all 32 NFL teams follow the same way or is worked the same way. it simply isn't.
I didn't hear the Bucs in 2020 or the Rams in 2021 cry about their salary cap and squeezing guys on to their roster, they simply went ALL IN.
To hear fan bases showing sympathy for any of the 32 NFL owners, incredibly sad and naive IMHO.
Maybe some feel quiet solace that the Bucs and Rams are sort of paying up for their titles in recent years.
But I would gladly take the Lombardi and live with the other 31 NFL fan bases poking fun at Miami for winning a Super Bowl but then dismantling the team.
I watched a Bucs team(my #2 NFL Fav) without a QB go find a journeyman in 2002 and then find a 43 yr old washed up QB and win a title both times without a QB via the Draft.
Jackson can be the missing piece for a lot of teams. I am Shuked to hear teams even today raising their hand and tapping out like the Washington Redskins.
The reasons people accept for why their team sucks or isn't doing everything it can to win a Super Bowl is Preposterous!
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The Frankman
Footballguy
So I'm just popping back in the thread here, for some reason it keeps moving w/o that much new news going on. Three things:
1) Why do people still think he's asking for a fully guaranteed deal? He rescinded that like a couple months ago.
2) Why do people think you can't do cap gymnastics even IF he wanted a fully guaranteed deal? DeShaun Watson's deal just got reworked to save $36 million.
3) Looking at you, Bill Barnwell: Why would Lamar be terrible for the Jets (who are reduced to paying Aaron Rodgers' friends just to convince him to go there) but great for the Colts (who could just simply draft one of Stroud/Young/Richardson)? What weird logic is that?
1) Why do people still think he's asking for a fully guaranteed deal? He rescinded that like a couple months ago.
2) Why do people think you can't do cap gymnastics even IF he wanted a fully guaranteed deal? DeShaun Watson's deal just got reworked to save $36 million.
3) Looking at you, Bill Barnwell: Why would Lamar be terrible for the Jets (who are reduced to paying Aaron Rodgers' friends just to convince him to go there) but great for the Colts (who could just simply draft one of Stroud/Young/Richardson)? What weird logic is that?
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Really?
The more time passes, the more it seems he is pissing away millions of dollars.
A guy who plays the style of football he plays should have taken a Josh Allen-type deal at least a year ago. I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. He's flirting with this coming year on the franchise tag being his last. Why not lock up another $125 million? The risk is not worth the reward. Seems like a classic case of him thinking he's invincible.
Lamar should reach out to RG3 - a really smart guy who has been down this sort of road.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure what you mean and which team is doing the cap gymnastics. If it's a team trying to get Lamar to sign an offer sheet, if their offer is really light on the first-year cap hit and not a boatload of guaranteed money, BAL will almost certainly match it. If you mean BAL trying to re-sign him, then sure, they can set up a minimal first-year cap hit and play the kick-the-cap-hit-down-the-line strategy like the Browns are starting to do with Watson.
But what won't work as cap gymnastics is a scenario where a team signs Jackson to an offer sheet, the Ravens match, and then the Ravens trade him. Baltimore would take a gynormous cap hit that they could not avoid. The best way for the Ravens to trade Lamar is to get him to agree to the franchise tag and then trade him to another franchise. The Ravens would not take any cap hit, and his new team could work out a new deal with him. However, that new team would have to be $32 million under the cap at the time of the trade, because they would be importing Jackson on a one-year deal for the guaranteed franchise tag number. They could manipulate that in a new deal, but first they would need to bring him in under the salary cap. As of now, the only team currently with that much cap space is Chicago.
Yes, teams can do the cap gymnastics involving other players and other contracts to free up cap space to bring in Lamar. For some teams that might not be all that difficult. But some teams would have a long way to go to get there. Eight teams currently have less than $5 million in cap space. Seven teams have less than $10 million. That's almost half the league. Yes, teams might be able to clear up space pretty easily, but $20-30M is still a decent amount to free up.
A bit over stated MOP. Those bonuses still have to be paid, and moving money to the future like that is how teams end up in cap hell, or end up with WAAAAY overpriced older and declinED players they can't do anything with.
The guys on SIRIUS were saying his contract will be large enough that a decent agent would take him on for just 1 or 1.5%. No matter how smart LJ thinks he is, this is just dumb. FTR, I don't think he's worth anything close to what he wants.
Chaka
Footballguy
IDK his fallback position is to simply take the $130 mil, or so, fully guaranteed the Ravens already offered him. They won't say no if he says he's good with that now (they'll probably even fudge the numbers a little to make it seem like he got more to the media but whatever).
He literally has not hurt his potential earnings at all.
The problem truly arises if Jackson takes the $130 guaranteed, with whatever the theoretical max $$ and years are, and next year the Bengals give Burrow $250 mil fully guaranteed. Burrow is a better QB but that's not the issue.
Worried wrong word. I do enjoy negotiating though and the appeals to emotion just make me cringe.
I want to see him get and take the best deal he can. Kinda sucks watching a guy just lose out on millions through pure ignorance.
Tau837
Footballguy
It's not next year for Burrow. He should be extended this offseason, same as Herbert and Hurts.
Chaka
Footballguy
As far as cap issues go I think it is more nuanced than anyone is really getting into. Yes, any team, except probably the Rams and Bucs, can probably rework enough contracts to clear space for Lamar.
Weren't the Saints $20-30 mil over the cap a week, or so, before they signed Carr for $35 mil? The Saints are a great example of a team that has done this type of stuff for a darn long time and generally put themselves in position to be competitive year-over-year.
The Rams & Bucs represent the extreme side of overextending their caps to win now. Although even the Bucs had an opportunity to convince Tom Brady to sign a shenanigans contract that would reduce his $35 mil cap hit this season by half and spread it out over two seasons. They are choosing to take it on the chin this season.
Cap flexibility isn't limitless but there is tons of wiggle room to work it and go get a player a team covers.
And I don't think the Rams or Bucs regret anything.
Weren't the Saints $20-30 mil over the cap a week, or so, before they signed Carr for $35 mil? The Saints are a great example of a team that has done this type of stuff for a darn long time and generally put themselves in position to be competitive year-over-year.
The Rams & Bucs represent the extreme side of overextending their caps to win now. Although even the Bucs had an opportunity to convince Tom Brady to sign a shenanigans contract that would reduce his $35 mil cap hit this season by half and spread it out over two seasons. They are choosing to take it on the chin this season.
Cap flexibility isn't limitless but there is tons of wiggle room to work it and go get a player a team covers.
And I don't think the Rams or Bucs regret anything.
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Chaka
Footballguy
They are eligible for extension but, particularly for Burrow & Herbert the teams have two more seasons before they will be forced to make hard decisions about contracts and tags.
Hurts doesn't fall under the 5th year option model so the Eagles are next in line to have to grapple with the full guarantee issue.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure why the Pats would be out. They have over $10M in cap space. They could convert salary to bonuses on some of their pricier contracts to get under the cap if they wanted and/or extend some players to get there.
Chaka
Footballguy
Honestly if you think you are in a win-now position, as the Jets view themselves apparently, maybe it is a good idea to "overpay" for Lamar.
Woody Johnson's comments about being impatient and wanting to win now seem to support the idea.
It probably won't happen considering they hired LaFleur but why pay $60mil to Rodgers rent Rodgers for one year, and obligate yourself to give him more money to keep him around any longer, when he is easily as injury prone and far more likely to see a decline in skills at 39 years old?
Seriously the Rodgers play for the Jets is them saying they want to win it all in 2023 and damn the rest.
They should pivot to Lamar and extend their window.
Woody Johnson's comments about being impatient and wanting to win now seem to support the idea.
It probably won't happen considering they hired LaFleur but why pay $60mil to Rodgers rent Rodgers for one year, and obligate yourself to give him more money to keep him around any longer, when he is easily as injury prone and far more likely to see a decline in skills at 39 years old?
Seriously the Rodgers play for the Jets is them saying they want to win it all in 2023 and damn the rest.
They should pivot to Lamar and extend their window.
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