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Footballguy
So they can use like $100M for a QB?
It seems far more likely for them to draft one or sign a player like fields.
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QB Matt Stafford, LAR (1 Viewer)
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It seems far more likely for them to draft one or sign a player like fields.
You can choose to not believe her but I'll again cite comments from Jordan Rodrigue, which she's not alone in making, but she's said multiple times even going back all the way to last off-season that there was an understanding between Stafford and the Rams that he would never play his last two years for the Rams on his current contract.
Again you can disagree, you can be of the opinion that the Rams can just play hardball if they want but similar to how I responded a few posts up that while everone is welcome to their opinions the reality of the situation is the Rams are not going to take that hardball stance with him and try and force him to play out those last two years without an adjustment on his contract.
Not sure what you mean exactly but there’s not a lot of jobs available relative to guys who can fill them.
Startable QBs (8.5): Stafford, Darnold, Wilson, Fields, Rodgers, Cousins maybe. Cam Ward, Shadeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart.
Qb needy teams (6.5): Tenn, Cle, NYG, LV, NYJ, Pit, maybe Indy
Any team expecting Jaxson Dart to be their starter in 2025 is asking for trouble. He's definitely a sit for a year guy coming from that Ole Miss offense. Could very much see a team adding one of the vet QBs and then also drafting Dart.
Could probably add Carr and NO to that list. That marriage seems flimsy at best.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Oh, I agree, I was just answering the how question
Tau837
Footballguy
Why criticize Rivers here? He was good in his one season in Indy. I seriously doubt Stafford in Indy in 2025 would be better than Rivers there in 2020.
Some of those options are pretty suspect, like ok maybe they're starters but bottom of the barrel starters, esp. for a team like the Rams that is going to be very competitive next year. Darnold and Rodgers I guess are viable options but a step down from Stafford, Cousins was bad last year, Fields has never proven anything. And the rooks aren't options for them.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I understand.
If the NFL was not a salary capped league pretty sure the Rams would have no issue with a new contract, as would many teams. Pretty sure they do not want to commit to more than a 1-2 deal if that at this point given his age.
History has shown the NFL has not been kind to 37 year old QBs, even worse are old QBs switching teams.
With old QBs you move on at the right time or a year too late. That is why the Rams have told Jimmy Sexton he can talk to other teams to gauge interest.
That’s why I added Stafford is probably the best option short term. Rams probably wouldn’t be able to get the rookies, but the other qb needy teams can. Point is there is no obvious desperate team to trade him to thus reducing his leverage a little. He should get 2/80 and stay put but we’ll see.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Stafford should focus on NYG and LV, if he actually wants to leave LA. I wouldnt look twice at CLE, PIT, NYJ or TENN. Assuming the money is within $2-3M, LV would be my choice if he wants out of LA, got an old school coach, who has won, and its Vegas baby, Vegas!, maybe they get him McMillan in the draft, and his wife can go sit around the pool, or get spa treatments. WTH is she gonna do in CLE or PIT? Eat sandwiches?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
19 wins and 12 losses his last 2 seasons as an NFL starting QB on a team that had won the Super Bowl in '21 and trying to retool/rebuild as they parted with a lot of draft capital and salary cap space in order to get that Lombardi Trophy and I doubt they regret any of it
19-12 last 2 years plus the Rams went to the Playoffs both years and even advanced to the 2nd round this past season
8th in MVP voting in '23
44 TD vs 19 Int over the last 2 seasons
I don't care what anyone's opinion is of whether he still has the goods or not, the records speak for themselves and I only focused on very recent seasons
He missed a lot of '22 after they won the Super Bowl
The question of which team suits him the best, Stafford can only look at teams with talent already surrounding him or a team where he believes in the Owner/GM/HC and other supporting characters like a Tom Brady with major influence now as a member of the Raiders
I actually see Carroll and the Raiders taking a QB in the 2nd-3rd round as their QB of the future but maybe they can bring Staff in as a bridge for a year or two...I just don't think the Raiders really want a bridge, I see them more as trying to replicate the blueprint of what worked in Seattle during the early 2010s, just my opinion based on PC being hired as HC
Stafford is better right now than probably half of the starting QBs out there depending on what you value
Stafford just turned 37, short 2-3 year window but some teams might push all in
19-12 last 2 years plus the Rams went to the Playoffs both years and even advanced to the 2nd round this past season
8th in MVP voting in '23
44 TD vs 19 Int over the last 2 seasons
I don't care what anyone's opinion is of whether he still has the goods or not, the records speak for themselves and I only focused on very recent seasons
He missed a lot of '22 after they won the Super Bowl
The question of which team suits him the best, Stafford can only look at teams with talent already surrounding him or a team where he believes in the Owner/GM/HC and other supporting characters like a Tom Brady with major influence now as a member of the Raiders
I actually see Carroll and the Raiders taking a QB in the 2nd-3rd round as their QB of the future but maybe they can bring Staff in as a bridge for a year or two...I just don't think the Raiders really want a bridge, I see them more as trying to replicate the blueprint of what worked in Seattle during the early 2010s, just my opinion based on PC being hired as HC
Stafford is better right now than probably half of the starting QBs out there depending on what you value
Stafford just turned 37, short 2-3 year window but some teams might push all in
McVay getting a little expansive on Stafford situation: https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1894564576244510998
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Refreshing how seemingly honest Sean is about it. Bottom line is they would love to have him back but at his age they are hesitant on backing the Brinks truck up for him. The additional challenge is this team is good and ready to compete, so they cannot go into the season with a huge question mark at QB. Thankfully for them, there are some options out there.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I always like to add the betting markets to the other opinions, so while looking for odds on a player's next team I stumbled across Aaron Rodgers being the even money favorite to be the next Rams QB. 
A lot of dots that can connect Rodgers to LA. Had 2 MVP seasons with Matt LaFleur (who is a McVay disciple) Rodgers lives in Malibu, and the Rams hired Alex Van Pelt who was Rodgers QB coach in GB. Plus Mike LaFleur (Matt's brother) is the Rams OC.I always like to add the betting markets to the other opinions, so while looking for odds on a player's next team I stumbled across Aaron Rodgers being the even money favorite to be the next Rams QB.
There is a non-zero chance, the Rams could replace Stafford/Kupp with Rodgers/Adams and save 20 million in the process, while not having to commit long-term cash.
Speaking of dot connecting, The Giants QB coach is Stafford's brother in-law. I know many were curious why Stafford could be interested in NYG, beyond maybe his wife would like the spotlight. That could be another reason. If he did go to NYG, he wouldn't be the 1st Rams QB to win a Super Bowl and go there years later.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Sources: #Raiders minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted #Rams QB Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders, and discussions are ongoing.
Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.
Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him, with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.
Tau837
Footballguy
Viable for what? Playoffs, maybe. Division contender or Super Bowl contender? I don't think so.
It's a tough division with 3 other teams that just made the playoffs. I don't think Stafford would elevate the Raiders into top 2 division status, at least not him alone. If they also kill the draft and the rest of free agency, maybe.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think the Colts would be more relevant with Stafford than the Raiders would be. I believe the Colts are an overall better team than the Raiders are.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He would thrive on the Colts with their current cast of skill players.
The Schultz vs Rapaport reporting battle was interesting.
ok some people are talking like Stafford is a free agent. thats clearly not the case. he has 2 years remaining (I think) on his current deal. unless there is a no trade clause that he needs to waive. but I'd assume then that the Rams would need to give permission for him to seek a trade (or at least permission for teams to contact him)
am I missing anything here?
Wingnut
Footballguy
The Rams have already discussed possible trade compensation with at least 2 interested teams. They'll absolutely trade him if they can't agree on a new contract.
I think he was talking about the reporting saying Stafford had such an open dialogue with Brady about joining the Raiders and if he had permission.
On that subject yes he was given permission to discuss contract terms with other teams. I don't know any restrictions that may or may not have existed on how much he could engage with them.
Either way I'd not look for the Rams to be in any position of saying someone tampered, as McVay and Stafford had a similar get together in Cabo when he was on the market.
It got a lot more interesting, wow: https://x.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1894944983460766184
looks like stafford is staying Source: NFL.com
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And cooler heads prevailed, Stafford suddenly restructures
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Stafford never was going to leave. Just had to work the system.
NY Giants was not possible..an old QB playing in a cold wind tunnel after being in a dome and warm climate his whole career?
That would have never worked. NY is a young mans QB spot.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
ADP - 140th pick overall, double digit rounds
QB23
-Safe to say that Nacua and Adams won't allow him to finish this far back?
Outside of injury I can't see how he doesn't crack Top 15-20
QB23
-Safe to say that Nacua and Adams won't allow him to finish this far back?
Outside of injury I can't see how he doesn't crack Top 15-20
I think that ranking is pretty fair to me. Will he finish that low, probably not, but he has almost no upside. His best case is probably QB15 or so, as he is a zero in the run game, and the Rams are pretty run heavy inside the 10. Other than the Super Bowl year, you have to go back to 2017 to find Stafford as a top-10 fantasy QB.
I think at that point, it just makes a lot more sense to shoot for the stars on higher ceiling guys than Stafford.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What do you think of Geno Smith at QB28?
Kind of a joke, lot of these guys down here late
I'll say this, the name that's really sticking out for me in that QB 20-something area is JJ McCarthy.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I’m willing to use the Perfect Draft and grab guys like Stafford and GSmith. Granted I’d have better Perfect Draft options around QB10-15 but I can see adding these guys as my #3 or even #4 in redraft. In SF, they are even more interesting lottery picks even if for just one year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I was wondering if anyone else thought Geno Smith was value somewhere around QB28 or wherever he is being drafted as an afterthought with a Strong TE/RB1 and decent WRs
Raiders won't mind a bit if they have another Top 10 pick next season in a stronger QB class, just my opinion
I don't see Geno losing his job even if they are not winning games, they just need to be competitive
I feel like they could be a dark horse for a Playoff spot, will look like a professional team this year
Brady having part ownership and a large say in everything the team does in the front office and down, yeah i think the Raiders are in good hands long term
-Apologies to the SP, I've gotten lost in the Matt Stafford thread
I haven't seen Geno as low as 28 too often. ESPN (just using as one data point) has Stafford at 22 and Geno at 25, which is kind of around where I've seen them mostly (own both in different leagues so have been tracking)
They do have one of the best backups in the NFL in Jimmy Garappolo.
Gatorade
Footballguy
At least one of the best looking backups
Stafford has been a bad FF QB for the past 7 seasons, except for his QB6 finish in 2021. He's averaged 6 fantasy points rushing during this span. His overall finishes have been 6, 15, 16, 19, 20, 29, and 32, while his per game finishes are 4, 11, 16, 20, 26, 27, and 28. If he isn't throwing 4500 and 30+ TD's, he is not a QB1. Give me Geno Smith over him at this point.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
…and so it begins.
Probably nothing, but dude’s had back stuff before. A few times, IIRC.
Thinking about it more and more, I don't think there is any contender that loses less if their starting QB goes down than the Rams. Stafford to Garoppolo is a drop off, sure, but its not THAT big of a drop off. I mean looking at the teams who made it to the divisional round last year:
Baltimore-Lamar Jackson to Cooper Rush is a WAY bigger drop off. As an aside, I think Mike McCarthy doesn't get near enough credit for somehow keeping the offense from cratering with Rush. Rush is awful, and Dallas very likely upgraded with Milton.
Buffalo-Josh Allen to Mitch Trubisky is a WAY bigger drop off.
Detroit-Jared Goff to Hendon Hooker. We have no idea what Hooker is, but its a little telling that they didn't trust Hooker enough to be the backup in the playoffs last season.
Houston-CJ Stroud to Davis Mills is a bigger drop off.
Kansas City-Patrick Mahomes to Gardner Minshew is a WAY bigger drop off. Very similar to Buffalo I think.
Philadelphia-Jalen Hurts to Tanner McKee. McKee looked ok enough in a very small sample, but I'd say its a bigger drop off.
Washington-Jayden Daniels to Marcus Mariota is probably the closest, I think Mariota and Garoppolo aren't far apart, but I think Daniels is already a lot better than current Stafford.
Baltimore-Lamar Jackson to Cooper Rush is a WAY bigger drop off. As an aside, I think Mike McCarthy doesn't get near enough credit for somehow keeping the offense from cratering with Rush. Rush is awful, and Dallas very likely upgraded with Milton.
Buffalo-Josh Allen to Mitch Trubisky is a WAY bigger drop off.
Detroit-Jared Goff to Hendon Hooker. We have no idea what Hooker is, but its a little telling that they didn't trust Hooker enough to be the backup in the playoffs last season.
Houston-CJ Stroud to Davis Mills is a bigger drop off.
Kansas City-Patrick Mahomes to Gardner Minshew is a WAY bigger drop off. Very similar to Buffalo I think.
Philadelphia-Jalen Hurts to Tanner McKee. McKee looked ok enough in a very small sample, but I'd say its a bigger drop off.
Washington-Jayden Daniels to Marcus Mariota is probably the closest, I think Mariota and Garoppolo aren't far apart, but I think Daniels is already a lot better than current Stafford.
