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QB Trevor Lawrence, JAX (2 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
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The article sums it up in an interesting way:
Having a ‘chip on your shoulder’ or just having that competitive edge where you want to outwork and out prepare everyone else is something that scouts and NFL teams look for, as the best players in the league have this as a common trait in their mental makeup.
There are stories of Tom Brady competing to win a preferred parking spot for participation in the off-season program, and then eventually losing that spot only to regain it again:
Tom Brady loses his reserved parking spot at Foxborough
Callahan: Tom Brady has parking spot, limited passing targets
I also think of Jerry Rice’s legendary work ethic and the hill sprints that Walter Payton ran to maintain and keep his edge.
Video link:
McCaffrey Competes with a Chip on his Shoulder
Or Steve Smith:
Steve Smith: Still Playing with a Chip on His Shoulder
The psychology of player motivation and drive is fascinating, and not something that should be overlooked when we are evaluating these players for their fantasy football potential.
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JohnnyU
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Nobody out worked Peyton Manning, but I wouldn’t label it a chip on his shoulder. Some players just have a superb work ethic.
Yeah, but Manning lived football. He loved it. Reading the original interview with Rosenberg you get the feeling it's not nearly as important to him as it was to Manning. Could you ever imagine Archie ever saying of Peyton that he didn't have that desire to win a superbowl at all costs? No way.
This is interesting.
And one thing that is interesting is wondering what would be said if Fields had the same attitude.
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rockaction
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I don't really find anything Lawrence says troubling in the least. He's got the state and national titles in high school and college. Not much to prove there about will and desire, at least as far as team goes. I'm pretty sure it will translate to the next level.
rockaction
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God, remember when quarterbacks went out and drank all night before the game? And everybody knew it?
Sounds like he's got his head screwed on straight. I think he'll embrace the challenge. Everything he's said about moving from high school to college and college to pro has been earnest and forthright. He thought moving out of freshman dorms and into an apartment where he had to cook for himself was a big step. Spoke about it in a media profile I read. Then he went out and went to a title game that year.
Too much ado about too little. I guess the proof will be there for us to see and we can end the speculation in a few years when he's acquitted himself (most likely) well.
Sounds like he's got his head screwed on straight. I think he'll embrace the challenge. Everything he's said about moving from high school to college and college to pro has been earnest and forthright. He thought moving out of freshman dorms and into an apartment where he had to cook for himself was a big step. Spoke about it in a media profile I read. Then he went out and went to a title game that year.
Too much ado about too little. I guess the proof will be there for us to see and we can end the speculation in a few years when he's acquitted himself (most likely) well.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So now we're deducting points if someone isn't aggrieved in some way?
JFC what a nation of children we are.
JFC what a nation of children we are.
-OZ-
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I remember questioning CMC's love for the game and selflessness when he skipped the bowl game to prevent injury. (At least I think that was the reason). He's proven me wrong, as I suspect Trevor will to his critics.
Snorkelson
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Like Johnny manziel wearing a fake moustache in Vegas to go clubbing?
A QB that ignores artificial pressures should be a plus, not a negative.
rockaction
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Agreed. And like Andy pointed out, does everybody need a grievance in life? Can't you just be adjusted and work really hard and be good at something?
NFL teams are investing millions of dollars in these players and picking the wrong player can set your franchise back for multiple years.
Evaluating their motivation and internal drive is just good business.
Players who have a chip on their shoulder are easier to understand where their motivation comes from, while a player like Lawrence can represent more of a challenge for scouts and general managers to evaluate their motivation and their ‘love for the game’ comes from. In the specific case of Trevor Lawrence, it should be fairly obvious that his love of the game and motivation to be great is not an issue.
It is not necessary for a player to feel like they have a grievance to be great, but that is an easy box for a scout to check off when that trait is there for a player.
Players who come from poor economic areas with high crime rates have often said that they had two choices - work hard to develop their athletic talents to get scholarships and become professional athletes, or fall in with the criminal elements in their communities.
This is an interesting discussion, and I do enjoy finding articles that touch on where they get their motivation and drive from.
Patrick Mahomes recently made a statement on his motivation:
Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes Claims ‘Defeat Helps You More Than Success’
Marcellus Wiley disagrees with this:
‘Failure Doesn’t Get You into the Zone’- NFL Analyst Disagrees With Patrick Mahomes’ Take On Defeat and Success
Evaluating their motivation and internal drive is just good business.
Players who have a chip on their shoulder are easier to understand where their motivation comes from, while a player like Lawrence can represent more of a challenge for scouts and general managers to evaluate their motivation and their ‘love for the game’ comes from. In the specific case of Trevor Lawrence, it should be fairly obvious that his love of the game and motivation to be great is not an issue.
It is not necessary for a player to feel like they have a grievance to be great, but that is an easy box for a scout to check off when that trait is there for a player.
Players who come from poor economic areas with high crime rates have often said that they had two choices - work hard to develop their athletic talents to get scholarships and become professional athletes, or fall in with the criminal elements in their communities.
This is an interesting discussion, and I do enjoy finding articles that touch on where they get their motivation and drive from.
Patrick Mahomes recently made a statement on his motivation:
Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes Claims ‘Defeat Helps You More Than Success’
Marcellus Wiley disagrees with this:
‘Failure Doesn’t Get You into the Zone’- NFL Analyst Disagrees With Patrick Mahomes’ Take On Defeat and Success
I agree that Lawrence has his head on straight. Sounds like he has a much better grasp on what really matters in life. However, the truly best of the best (MJordan, Kobe, Brady, Manning) often have a singular focus that borders on pathological.
I wouldn't downgrade him one bit for his attitude, and if he can stay healthy I'd expect him to have a long and productive career. But if he battles any injury issues I wouldn't be surprised to see his career end the way Luck's did.
I'm fascinated to see how it works out. I will be rooting for him for sure. Crazy that a 21 year old is that mature.
I wouldn't downgrade him one bit for his attitude, and if he can stay healthy I'd expect him to have a long and productive career. But if he battles any injury issues I wouldn't be surprised to see his career end the way Luck's did.
I'm fascinated to see how it works out. I will be rooting for him for sure. Crazy that a 21 year old is that mature.
jm192
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He has been dubbed the #1 pick of the 2021 draft since his freshmen year. ESPN every year has said he'd be number 1 if he were able to enter the draft.
How is it even possible for THAT guy to have a chip on his shoulder?
Brady goes in the 6th round. Chip on shoulder.
Jordan who goes on to be the GOAT gets picked #3. Chip on shoulder.
Kid who has been dubbed #1 for 3 years running going #1...how does he have a chip?
How is it even possible for THAT guy to have a chip on his shoulder?
Brady goes in the 6th round. Chip on shoulder.
Jordan who goes on to be the GOAT gets picked #3. Chip on shoulder.
Kid who has been dubbed #1 for 3 years running going #1...how does he have a chip?
JohnnyU
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jm192
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I didn’t mean to imply he does. Was just saying—why would he? It’s an absurd thing to nitpick at. It would be weird for him to have a chip given all the praise/love he’s had the last 3 years.
Jayrok
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Agree that it's picking knits. Trevor is level headed and mature for his age. He's also very competitive. During the spring game last year (after the LSU loss) he was upset that his team didn't win the scrimmage. He only played most of the first half and he wanted to go back in for the last part of the second half because his side had lost the lead. Dabo wouldn't let him.
Expectations are extremely high given the success of other rookie QBs in recent years, but I believe his fan base will be very happy with what they have.
Expectations are extremely high given the success of other rookie QBs in recent years, but I believe his fan base will be very happy with what they have.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Not that it matters, but Jordan didn't do this. Going #3 is very different than whatever pick Brady went.
JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
If you have the 1.9 in start 1qb leagues and need a QB, then Lawrence is your guy. I liked reading @Faustlink regarding Lawrence's potential warts, but overall, doesn't all QBs have pitfalls? I was especially interested in the vertical passing game of Lawrence compared to Fields and Jones. Very interesting. Usage will be very important. Urban Meyer, I'm watching you!!
Skipdog77
Footballguy
Heck, I have 1.06 in a start 1 QB league, and may take him if Harris, Etienne, J. Williams, Chase, and Pitts all go in the top 5 of my draft. I just can't get past Smith's weight..think he is going to have a tough go in the NFL.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I've got 1.5 and 1.6 and with only Dak as starter-worthy (have D.Jones and Bridgewater behind him) I will probably take Lawrence if he is there.
The Frankman
Footballguy
If he is anything like Brees you will have to wait until he gets to his second team to really be a fantasy stud.
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