Alex P Keaton
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“Drops” = hospital balls
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QB Trevor Lawrence, JAX (3 Viewers)
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'm not really buying this narrative. Great receivers take hits over the middle of the field and hang on to the ball. It's part of the game.
rockaction
Footballguy
Here's one guy's narrative and reasoning. It is not kind to Lawrence. I tend to think that's also what I'm seeing, in addition to hesitation and inaccuracy.
"The bigger issue is Lawrence ranking (of 31 qualifying QBs):+ dead-last in hero throw rate (0.0%) + bottom-5 in turnover-worthy throw rate (12.5%)+ bottom-10 in catchable throw rate on balls thrown 10+ yards in the air (62.5%)and all this despite elite pass-blocking. He's faced pressure on only 18.3% of his dropbacks (no other QB below 26%)Trevor Lawrence remains the problem in Jacksonville. He gets paid more than Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, but he's never posted a higher QBR than Derek Carr in any season of his careerWe're in Year 5, with a 64-game sample. Enough with the excuses" - Scott Barrett, Fantasy Points
"The bigger issue is Lawrence ranking (of 31 qualifying QBs):+ dead-last in hero throw rate (0.0%) + bottom-5 in turnover-worthy throw rate (12.5%)+ bottom-10 in catchable throw rate on balls thrown 10+ yards in the air (62.5%)and all this despite elite pass-blocking. He's faced pressure on only 18.3% of his dropbacks (no other QB below 26%)Trevor Lawrence remains the problem in Jacksonville. He gets paid more than Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, but he's never posted a higher QBR than Derek Carr in any season of his careerWe're in Year 5, with a 64-game sample. Enough with the excuses" - Scott Barrett, Fantasy Points
when you give a guy a contract like what they gave HIM, there is a bit of an obligation as a team to prove that the money you gave him was well spent.
Management In jaxonville is poor. this much we know. What I dont know is how much he is to blame and how much the coach and GM are to blame.
there are other issues too. the drop rate among his WR is pretty bad too. the question I have is.... is it a situation thing? or is it a Trevor Lawrence thing?
Alternatively, Id also argue that players can learn to lose. Maybe in this piss poor organization Trevor Lawrence, a proven winner.... has figured out how to become a loser with grace and dignity.
Im not sure. but he should be a whole lot better than he has been. That much is clear.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Watching him play is painful. He just doesn’t know how to read a defense, make progressions, throw with accuracy, intuit when to scramble……he simply isn’t a good QB.
rockaction
Footballguy
I get Barrett's point and would say that all of these things—including the things you say—can be true. Just . . . it started with the owner bringing in Urban Meyer for Lawrence's first year and drafting an RB in the first round, continued for the next few years, and may now be a runaway train.
Or it could be that Trevor had a powerhouse college team in a less-than-great conference (the ACC at the time paled in comparison to the SEC and Dabo had crazy recruiting pull) that won a semi-big game a year in the conference championship and then managed a big win one year in the biggest game. And that was really it.
Chaka
Footballguy
Is there a list of top WRs with PTSD from their QB putting up hospital balls?
@PFF
Trevor Lawrence when trailing tonight:
251 total yards
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Oof. I’m always surprised at how unathletic he can look. But he’s winning games which is new for him and will buy him some time. I can still see him developing into a fringe QB1.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
100%. I’ve questioned his dedication and passion for the game, so as a Jags fan it was great to see him putting the team on his back for a W-very rarely has he done this as a pro.
But he’s still clearly struggling with the offense—tuck and run may have saved this game, but it’s not a sustainable plan for consistent victory
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
That had to be one of the funniest winning TDs I've ever seen.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
I was pretty critical of Trevor for this preseason play, where again he gets tangled up with an OL, but doesn't have the situational awareness to eat the ball and live to play another (red zone) down. As a fifth year veteran, you've got to be better than that
Yet last night, he stayed calm, adapted and made a great play. Obviously the game situation and the play calls were very different, but I was glad to see the growth
Look familiar?
"Better lucky than good!" - Shane Falco
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
And throwing one away earlier in the game when he was already 4 yds past the line of scrimmage
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
i would say that "throw a game losing pick but get bailed out on PI" isn't quite an accurate representation of that play.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
He definitely lacks poise. I try to be very patient with QBs after giving up on Baker too soon when I knew that it was a Browns problem (and an injury) not a Baker problem.
If TLaw is still tripping over his own feet and diving head on into a linebacker with the football exposed after a year of Coen, I'll admit defeat.
Footballdaz
Footballguy
Darnold is overlooked. He's a top 12-14 QB rest of season.
I sure think so. FBG certainly doesn't. ROS he is ranked 24th behind Stroud, Penix, Lawrence, Geno and McCarthy.
I don't get it.
warpig33
Footballguy
Aikman even said: "Trevor has no clue where he is on the field". Harsh reality.
MTskibum
Footballguy
It is because the defense is good and often times he only throws the ball 20 times a game.
Even if you are a good real life QB, you don't put up fantasy numbers unless you throw the ball.
I started darnold in 2 leagues this last week because I thought it was going to be a shootout. I haven't looked at the schedule to see when the next shootout could be.
This + Darnold isn’t a running threat.
That said, I’d rather have Darnold over Lawrence, Geno, Penix, and McCarthy. Not Stroud though. Darnold and Stroud’s floors are higher and they’re lower variance, which I value in fantasy QBs. With the others, you’re always risking a single digit performance.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Just tuning in today. Not sure if this goose egg is on him or not but I'm glad he's on my bench.
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
This guy STINKS!!!!
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Getting sick of defending him, because there are issues for sure. But his WRs let him down on that drive.
warpig33
Footballguy
their WRs are sucking the life out of this team! its not all on Trevor (cant believe im defending him). key drops, playing soft...bunch of sissies! their starting WRs need to be Hunter and Parker! Parker had a bad drop today as well but he plays hard! i love his mentality. reminds me of Pacheco. BTJ has got to get out of his own head! and what happened to the defense?!
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Defense did all that they could. I think they forced 3 straight 3-and-outs to start he 2nd half. Cant ask for much more than that. It's on the WR's and undisciplined play, lots of penalties
Chaka
Footballguy
IDK The Dolphins can walk away from Tua after 2026. The Jags are stuck with Trevor until after 2028.
TL is not a leader, he has not gotten any better at all after all these years
He still plays exactly the same way, makes all the same mistakes he has always made
Coen has not improved anything on the offensive side of the ball at all
He has not made TL any better, he still is poor at reading a defense, making decisions quickly in deciding who to throw the ball to
I wonder how much work and effort he puts into getting better to be honest at this point
He does not have leadership skills at all, he seems far to laid back also
the Jaguars need to move on from him ASAP or the franchise is going to keep floundering
and he will keep dragging it down until they dump him
He still plays exactly the same way, makes all the same mistakes he has always made
Coen has not improved anything on the offensive side of the ball at all
He has not made TL any better, he still is poor at reading a defense, making decisions quickly in deciding who to throw the ball to
I wonder how much work and effort he puts into getting better to be honest at this point
He does not have leadership skills at all, he seems far to laid back also
the Jaguars need to move on from him ASAP or the franchise is going to keep floundering
and he will keep dragging it down until they dump him
doeseatplace
Footballguy
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Juston Lewis
Jacksonville Florida Times-Union
10/24/25
The bye week has come at the perfect time for the Jacksonville Jaguars. After a 4-1 start and consecutive victories against the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs, the team has dropped its last two games.
The Jaguars are one loss away from being .500 and have regressed on both sides of the ball from their hot start to the season.
The most disappointing group is on offense, where the Jaguars have scored a combined 17 points in their last two outings. It’s a steep fall off from the team scoring 20 or more points in four of the first five games.
Quarterback Trevor Lawrence has passed for 1,620 yards with nine touchdowns and five interceptions to start the season. He’s completed 58.7 percent of his passes.
If the offense wants to get going, it starts with him and he said as much after the Jaguars lost to the Los Angeles Rams.
“I just think we have to start the games faster,” Lawrence said.” There are some plays that I got to make early to get us going, and it's routine stuff.”
Lawrence has owned his part in the slow starts, recounting a play against the Rams where he had Travis Hunter open, but didn’t pass to him. He also took a sack on the opening play of the game against the Seattle Seahawks when he could’ve either thrown the ball away or opted to scramble sooner than he did.
The Jaguars are ranked 24th in the NFL in first quarter points, scoring an average of 3.3 points in the opening quarter through seven games. For reference, Tampa Bay led the league in first quarter scoring in 2024, averaging 6.7 points per game which is essentially at least a touchdown every game.
“We've got to start faster. We have got to start faster as an offense, at the quarterback position, not take a little bit of time to get into the flow,” Coen said.
Coen said he took some responsibility as a coach for the slow starts, saying he could help Lawrence by explaining what they are looking for with each of the calls. But it’s on Lawrence to make better decisions, especially to start the game.
If the Jaguars started faster it’d give them a chance to play from ahead, something they haven’t done in recent weeks.
But their rushing attack has fallen off a cliff in recent weeks, rushing for less than 100 yards in each of the last two weeks and three of their last five games. As a result, Lawrence is relied on to throw the ball a lot more times than the team wants to.
“I don't want to throw the ball as many times as we've thrown it. Not because of [Lawrence], just because of staying balanced,” Coen said. “But we were able to create some explosives in the pass this past week, obviously it became one of those kind of games.”
The one of those kind of games Coen referred to is a pass-heavy game. A game where the team trailed by a lot and were forced to abandon the run to try and get chunk plays.
It was like the loss against the Seahawks, where the Jaguars were forced away from the run because of their inefficacy, but also, because they were unable to contend with Seattle’s front seven.
And Jacksonville’s passing offense is not suited to handle the high volume of passes the Jaguars were forced to attempt right now.
Lawrence attempted a combined 90 passes in the two recent losses. Jacksonville’s passing offense isn’t currently built to sustain that volume, especially with the reoccurring issue of drops.
As of the conclusion of Week 7, Pro Football Reference has cited the Jaguars with 25 drops this season—nine more than the next closest team. It’d be understandable if it was just one player. But it’s an issue across the board in the receiver room.
The Jaguars cannot continue to attempt north of 40 passes per game when receivers aren’t reeling in passes. That’s not to say Lawrence is absolved from overthrows or misses, but even when he’s putting the ball in good spots, receivers aren’t reeling the passes in.
Another issue that’s shown itself in the passing game is the number of sacks the Jaguars have allowed in recent weeks. Lawrence took a career-worst seven sacks against the Seahawks. He matched that same number against the Rams the next week.
Over the last three games Lawrence has been sacked 17 times. It’s not just blocking up front, though, the Jaguars do need to be better there. It’s Lawrence holding on to the ball too long, receivers not getting separation and finding the soft spots.
“We can't take so many sacks either, from all 11 though. Sacks are all 11,” Coen said. “It's the route, it's the quarterback, it's the running back, it's the OL. Those are things that we can control.”
If the Jaguars and Lawrence want to improve, they’ll need to address these issues moving forward.
What can Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars' offense do better moving forward after the bye week?
Juston LewisJacksonville Florida Times-Union
10/24/25
The bye week has come at the perfect time for the Jacksonville Jaguars. After a 4-1 start and consecutive victories against the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs, the team has dropped its last two games.
The Jaguars are one loss away from being .500 and have regressed on both sides of the ball from their hot start to the season.
The most disappointing group is on offense, where the Jaguars have scored a combined 17 points in their last two outings. It’s a steep fall off from the team scoring 20 or more points in four of the first five games.
Quarterback Trevor Lawrence has passed for 1,620 yards with nine touchdowns and five interceptions to start the season. He’s completed 58.7 percent of his passes.
If the offense wants to get going, it starts with him and he said as much after the Jaguars lost to the Los Angeles Rams.
“I just think we have to start the games faster,” Lawrence said.” There are some plays that I got to make early to get us going, and it's routine stuff.”
Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars’ offense gets off to slow start and can’t catch up
Liam Coen’s offense in Tampa Bay was largely successful because of their ability to get off to quick starts. He hasn’t been able to recapture that magic with the Jaguars.Lawrence has owned his part in the slow starts, recounting a play against the Rams where he had Travis Hunter open, but didn’t pass to him. He also took a sack on the opening play of the game against the Seattle Seahawks when he could’ve either thrown the ball away or opted to scramble sooner than he did.
The Jaguars are ranked 24th in the NFL in first quarter points, scoring an average of 3.3 points in the opening quarter through seven games. For reference, Tampa Bay led the league in first quarter scoring in 2024, averaging 6.7 points per game which is essentially at least a touchdown every game.
“We've got to start faster. We have got to start faster as an offense, at the quarterback position, not take a little bit of time to get into the flow,” Coen said.
Coen said he took some responsibility as a coach for the slow starts, saying he could help Lawrence by explaining what they are looking for with each of the calls. But it’s on Lawrence to make better decisions, especially to start the game.
If the Jaguars started faster it’d give them a chance to play from ahead, something they haven’t done in recent weeks.
Jaguars rushing attack has taken a drop, need to get it back on track after the bye
The Jaguars started the season as a team who were able to run the ball well. It appeared that’d be their calling card for the offense, pushing around defenses while picking up chunks of yardage.But their rushing attack has fallen off a cliff in recent weeks, rushing for less than 100 yards in each of the last two weeks and three of their last five games. As a result, Lawrence is relied on to throw the ball a lot more times than the team wants to.
“I don't want to throw the ball as many times as we've thrown it. Not because of [Lawrence], just because of staying balanced,” Coen said. “But we were able to create some explosives in the pass this past week, obviously it became one of those kind of games.”
The one of those kind of games Coen referred to is a pass-heavy game. A game where the team trailed by a lot and were forced to abandon the run to try and get chunk plays.
It was like the loss against the Seahawks, where the Jaguars were forced away from the run because of their inefficacy, but also, because they were unable to contend with Seattle’s front seven.
And Jacksonville’s passing offense is not suited to handle the high volume of passes the Jaguars were forced to attempt right now.
Jaguars passing game is not where it needs to be, Lawrence needs help from receivers and offensive line
Lawrence attempted a combined 90 passes in the two recent losses. Jacksonville’s passing offense isn’t currently built to sustain that volume, especially with the reoccurring issue of drops.
As of the conclusion of Week 7, Pro Football Reference has cited the Jaguars with 25 drops this season—nine more than the next closest team. It’d be understandable if it was just one player. But it’s an issue across the board in the receiver room.
The Jaguars cannot continue to attempt north of 40 passes per game when receivers aren’t reeling in passes. That’s not to say Lawrence is absolved from overthrows or misses, but even when he’s putting the ball in good spots, receivers aren’t reeling the passes in.
Another issue that’s shown itself in the passing game is the number of sacks the Jaguars have allowed in recent weeks. Lawrence took a career-worst seven sacks against the Seahawks. He matched that same number against the Rams the next week.
Over the last three games Lawrence has been sacked 17 times. It’s not just blocking up front, though, the Jaguars do need to be better there. It’s Lawrence holding on to the ball too long, receivers not getting separation and finding the soft spots.
“We can't take so many sacks either, from all 11 though. Sacks are all 11,” Coen said. “It's the route, it's the quarterback, it's the running back, it's the OL. Those are things that we can control.”
If the Jaguars and Lawrence want to improve, they’ll need to address these issues moving forward.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I’m getting some Mayfield career bounceback vibes about Lawrence. Mayfield showed some really strong skills over an extended period early in his career and after shuffling around finally landed in a secure spot and he hasn’t looked back since.
I’m wondering if the same could happen with Lawrence. He has also shown extended amounts of really good QB play and flashed brilliance in some very limited times. Unfortunately, I’m not seeing where JAX is going to send him packing, so his career path may not have the same chance to take off.
I’m wondering if the same could happen with Lawrence. He has also shown extended amounts of really good QB play and flashed brilliance in some very limited times. Unfortunately, I’m not seeing where JAX is going to send him packing, so his career path may not have the same chance to take off.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It’s the hair.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Honestly this is what I was arguing about Lawrence all the way back when he came into the draft.
He had a great freshman year at Clemson, for a freshman. But that was supposed to be predictive of him continuing to get better and becoming truly elite. But he never did. He was the same guy when he came into the draft that he was as a freshman. And he still is to this day.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
For the teams who wanted to draft a QB in 2021, the only way to win was not to play.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Yep, if only the Jags had waited for the 2022 qb draft class bonanza.
rockaction
Footballguy
lookie here, and the comparison, too.
Gonna bump a Ladd evaluation that's still correct? We can do this all day, bra.
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