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QB Tua Tagovailoa, MIA (2 Viewers)

Is he a pro bowl QB in all systems? Prolly not. Can he be pro bowl QB in McDaniels system with Tyreek and Waddle running routes? Yes sir. Does he have injury concerns? For sure. His concussion history is scary, but this isn't Olympic breakdancing. To quote Lucius Veras in the first Gladiator, "I like you Spaniard, I shall cheer for you."
Pro Bowl? Who gives a
****.

Is he a Super Bowl caliber QB? Nope.

That’s the only Bowl that matters. Can he lead a team to the SB.


Odds say hell no.
Sorry, but that's kind of an odd statement to make so definitively in a team sport. You could have said the same thing about Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe Flacco, Matt Hasselbeck, Brad Johnson and wait for it, Nick Foles (or Carson Wentz if you prefer) and that's just the last 20 years.

AFC is tough sledding with KC and Baltimore to get past and chances are the Dolphins would have to beat them both. Tua isn't elite, but history shows you can go to the super bowl with competent QB play if the rest of your team is good.
No doubt there have been out liars.

Stafford? That guy is 5X’s the QB Tua will ever be.

Jared Goff is IMO a better QB.

Look….yes it’s a team sport. Tua IMO is not capable of leading a team into the SB. He simply is far too limited…..and unless we had an elite defense and running game we can forget about the Dolphins having a shot to getting there with Tua.

7-14 vs winning teams in his career.

That’s all I need to know….and his numbers vs winning teams are paltry.

He is a stat accumulator vs below .500 teams.

Those are hardline facts.
 
Is he a pro bowl QB in all systems? Prolly not. Can he be pro bowl QB in McDaniels system with Tyreek and Waddle running routes? Yes sir. Does he have injury concerns? For sure. His concussion history is scary, but this isn't Olympic breakdancing. To quote Lucius Veras in the first Gladiator, "I like you Spaniard, I shall cheer for you."
Pro Bowl? Who gives a
****.

Is he a Super Bowl caliber QB? Nope.

That’s the only Bowl that matters. Can he lead a team to the SB.


Odds say hell no.
Sorry, but that's kind of an odd statement to make so definitively in a team sport. You could have said the same thing about Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe Flacco, Matt Hasselbeck, Brad Johnson and wait for it, Nick Foles (or Carson Wentz if you prefer) and that's just the last 20 years.

AFC is tough sledding with KC and Baltimore to get past and chances are the Dolphins would have to beat them both. Tua isn't elite, but history shows you can go to the super bowl with competent QB play if the rest of your team is good.
No doubt there have been out liars.

Stafford? That guy is 5X’s the QB Tua will ever be.

Jared Goff is IMO a better QB.

Look….yes it’s a team sport. Tua IMO is not capable of leading a team into the SB. He simply is far too limited…..and unless we had an elite defense and running game we can forget about the Dolphins having a shot to getting there with Tua.

7-14 vs winning teams in his career.

That’s all I need to know….and his numbers vs winning teams are paltry.

He is a stat accumulator vs below .500 teams.

Those are hardline facts.
I feel like definitively saying a 26 year old QB who has improved in every season, can't lead a team to a Super Bowl is a little premature. Hell, he missed the playoff game in 2022, and they almost certainly win that game if he played, as they almost won it with the 3rd string QB.
 
Is he a pro bowl QB in all systems? Prolly not. Can he be pro bowl QB in McDaniels system with Tyreek and Waddle running routes? Yes sir. Does he have injury concerns? For sure. His concussion history is scary, but this isn't Olympic breakdancing. To quote Lucius Veras in the first Gladiator, "I like you Spaniard, I shall cheer for you."
Pro Bowl? Who gives a
****.

Is he a Super Bowl caliber QB? Nope.

That’s the only Bowl that matters. Can he lead a team to the SB.


Odds say hell no.
Sorry, but that's kind of an odd statement to make so definitively in a team sport. You could have said the same thing about Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe Flacco, Matt Hasselbeck, Brad Johnson and wait for it, Nick Foles (or Carson Wentz if you prefer) and that's just the last 20 years.

AFC is tough sledding with KC and Baltimore to get past and chances are the Dolphins would have to beat them both. Tua isn't elite, but history shows you can go to the super bowl with competent QB play if the rest of your team is good.
No doubt there have been out liars.

Stafford? That guy is 5X’s the QB Tua will ever be.

Jared Goff is IMO a better QB.

Look….yes it’s a team sport. Tua IMO is not capable of leading a team into the SB. He simply is far too limited…..and unless we had an elite defense and running game we can forget about the Dolphins having a shot to getting there with Tua.

7-14 vs winning teams in his career.

That’s all I need to know….and his numbers vs winning teams are paltry.

He is a stat accumulator vs below .500 teams.

Those are hardline facts.
I feel like definitively saying a 26 year old QB who has improved in every season, can't lead a team to a Super Bowl is a little premature. Hell, he missed the playoff game in 2022, and they almost certainly win that game if he played, as they almost won it with the 3rd string QB.
He is not the guy.….won’t be a winner for this team.

I rest my case. Seriously….it’s my opinion after seeing more than enough his first 4 years. Highly limited, overrated stat accumulator the last couple of seasons. This is not a stud QB at all.

Let’s check back at the conclusion of this season.

We can all have differing opinions. And we will keep track of his body of work year to year.

Strictly talking real football not fantasy.
 
Jesse Morse, MD @DrJesseMorse

Tua Tagovailoa, while trying to run for a first down, appears to suffer a potential brain injury (concussion). You can see he is reaching upward with his right hand awkwardly.This is usually referred to as a ‘fencing’ response or posturing (see pic below), and sometimes occurs with traumatic brain injuries. This is at least his 3rd head injury, and his first since this season-ending concussion on Christmas of 2022.I’ll do a video discussing more details on this soon for @InjuryExpertz
 
Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
 
Sucks for Tua, hope he's okay.

Sucks for fantasy, massive hit for pretty much all Dolphins for probably a good chunk of the season.
 
Sucks for Tua, hope he's okay.

Sucks for fantasy, massive hit for pretty much all Dolphins for probably a good chunk of the season.
I would be shocked if Tua plays another down.
Depends on what the doctors will tell him. Tua got $42MM as a signing bonus plus his rookie contract, that is set for life kind of money. Whether he should play or not for his health, unfortunately he's got over $100 million guaranteed in temptation to not retire. Maybe he and Miami can come to an agreement of some sort (I believe Indy & Luck came to an agreement when he wanted to retire early) but it seems likely that even if he's out the rest of this year, he'll be back next year.
 
I'd seriously be considering taking the rest of the year off to see if I can salvage the rest of my career. I'd think the Dolphins would be smart to be on board with this. Another concussion any time soon should probably be a career ender if this one wasn't already.
I wonder what the medical advice is going to be.
 
Sucks for Tua, hope he's okay.

Sucks for fantasy, massive hit for pretty much all Dolphins for probably a good chunk of the season.
I would be shocked if Tua plays another down.
Depends on what the doctors will tell him. Tua got $42MM as a signing bonus plus his rookie contract, that is set for life kind of money. Whether he should play or not for his health, unfortunately he's got over $100 million guaranteed in temptation to not retire. Maybe he and Miami can come to an agreement of some sort (I believe Indy & Luck came to an agreement when he wanted to retire early) but it seems likely that even if he's out the rest of this year, he'll be back next year.
Tua is a great human being and I'm sure Ross can find him a job in the organization and take care of him long term
Maybe Tua would stretch out the contract and cap relief, yada yada yada

I would like to see Miami just strip it again at this point. I would be trying to unload everyone, don't care the cap hit, just play UDFAs and roll up draft picks and get higher picks because they're gonna lose and lose and lose without a QB to run the offense

Unfortunately Tua was all they had and they waited and waited to extend him because they knew this was gonna happen
 
Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
McDaniels is going to be a wreck after this. The guy loves his players. He might have a hard time living with this and coaching with a full heart.
 
Sucks for Tua, hope he's okay.

Sucks for fantasy, massive hit for pretty much all Dolphins for probably a good chunk of the season.
I would be shocked if Tua plays another down.
Depends on what the doctors will tell him. Tua got $42MM as a signing bonus plus his rookie contract, that is set for life kind of money. Whether he should play or not for his health, unfortunately he's got over $100 million guaranteed in temptation to not retire. Maybe he and Miami can come to an agreement of some sort (I believe Indy & Luck came to an agreement when he wanted to retire early) but it seems likely that even if he's out the rest of this year, he'll be back next year.
Tua is a great human being and I'm sure Ross can find him a job in the organization and take care of him long term
Maybe Tua would stretch out the contract and cap relief, yada yada yada

I would like to see Miami just strip it again at this point. I would be trying to unload everyone, don't care the cap hit, just play UDFAs and roll up draft picks and get higher picks because they're gonna lose and lose and lose without a QB to run the offense

Unfortunately Tua was all they had and they waited and waited to extend him because they knew this was gonna happen
It will be interesting to see what happens, his 2025 salary and bonus are fully guaranteed, his 2026 $50 mil in salary is guaranteed for injury and fully guarantees at the start of next league year. As long as he is on the roster in 7 months, Miami owes him over $100 million. They just reworked Tyreek and resigned Waddle so trading them may be difficult too with cap hits.
 
Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
McDaniels is going to be a wreck after this. The guy loves his players. He might have a hard time living with this and coaching with a full heart.
He should retire alongside Tua, he did this to him
Maybe Flores was right, maybe Tua doesn't belong in the NFL
Remember how Tua was being painted as a victim...I just can't remember too many NFL QBs that were a success where they have to be painted as a victim
He needs help, he needs people to surround him that care and will take hi off the field

Woody is talking about it on ESPN Sportscenter right now
Encouraging him to retire
 
Sucks for Tua, hope he's okay.

Sucks for fantasy, massive hit for pretty much all Dolphins for probably a good chunk of the season.
I would be shocked if Tua plays another down.
Depends on what the doctors will tell him. Tua got $42MM as a signing bonus plus his rookie contract, that is set for life kind of money. Whether he should play or not for his health, unfortunately he's got over $100 million guaranteed in temptation to not retire. Maybe he and Miami can come to an agreement of some sort (I believe Indy & Luck came to an agreement when he wanted to retire early) but it seems likely that even if he's out the rest of this year, he'll be back next year.
Tua is a great human being and I'm sure Ross can find him a job in the organization and take care of him long term
Maybe Tua would stretch out the contract and cap relief, yada yada yada

I would like to see Miami just strip it again at this point. I would be trying to unload everyone, don't care the cap hit, just play UDFAs and roll up draft picks and get higher picks because they're gonna lose and lose and lose without a QB to run the offense

Unfortunately Tua was all they had and they waited and waited to extend him because they knew this was gonna happen
It will be interesting to see what happens, his 2025 salary and bonus are fully guaranteed, his 2026 $50 mil in salary is guaranteed for injury and fully guarantees at the start of next league year. As long as he is on the roster in 7 months, Miami owes him over $100 million. They just reworked Tyreek and resigned Waddle so trading them may be difficult too with cap hits.
Forget the Cap, you send everybody on their way and you eat it in 2025, I don't care if they field 31 UDFAs, pay them all minimum because they have to eat $200M in cap space, whatever
It's OVER!
 
Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
McDaniels is going to be a wreck after this. The guy loves his players. He might have a hard time living with this and coaching with a full heart.
He should retire alongside Tua, he did this to him
Maybe Flores was right, maybe Tua doesn't belong in the NFL
Remember how Tua was being painted as a victim...I just can't remember too many NFL QBs that were a success where they have to be painted as a victim
He needs help, he needs people to surround him that care and will take hi off the field

Woody is talking about it on ESPN Sportscenter right now
Encouraging him to retire
Yikes, thats harsh. Mike McD is the coach, not Tua's wife. The man has to coach the guys he's given. He cant sit Tua on the bench.
 
Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
McDaniels is going to be a wreck after this. The guy loves his players. He might have a hard time living with this and coaching with a full heart.
He should retire alongside Tua, he did this to him
Maybe Flores was right, maybe Tua doesn't belong in the NFL
Remember how Tua was being painted as a victim...I just can't remember too many NFL QBs that were a success where they have to be painted as a victim
He needs help, he needs people to surround him that care and will take hi off the field

Woody is talking about it on ESPN Sportscenter right now
Encouraging him to retire
Yikes, thats harsh. Mike McD is the coach, not Tua's wife. The man has to coach the guys he's given. He cant sit Tua on the bench.
I'm just sharing that Woody is talking to Scott right now on ESPN and he says Tua needs to take a large step back and talk to his family, sounds like he is writing him off for '24
Might be harsh but Miami needs to tank now the rest of the year and start over

Miami has nowhere to go without Tua, they won't win more than 4-5 games anyways
 
Sucks for Tua, hope he's okay.

Sucks for fantasy, massive hit for pretty much all Dolphins for probably a good chunk of the season.
I would be shocked if Tua plays another down.
Depends on what the doctors will tell him. Tua got $42MM as a signing bonus plus his rookie contract, that is set for life kind of money. Whether he should play or not for his health, unfortunately he's got over $100 million guaranteed in temptation to not retire. Maybe he and Miami can come to an agreement of some sort (I believe Indy & Luck came to an agreement when he wanted to retire early) but it seems likely that even if he's out the rest of this year, he'll be back next year.
Tua is a great human being and I'm sure Ross can find him a job in the organization and take care of him long term
Maybe Tua would stretch out the contract and cap relief, yada yada yada

I would like to see Miami just strip it again at this point. I would be trying to unload everyone, don't care the cap hit, just play UDFAs and roll up draft picks and get higher picks because they're gonna lose and lose and lose without a QB to run the offense

Unfortunately Tua was all they had and they waited and waited to extend him because they knew this was gonna happen
It will be interesting to see what happens, his 2025 salary and bonus are fully guaranteed, his 2026 $50 mil in salary is guaranteed for injury and fully guarantees at the start of next league year. As long as he is on the roster in 7 months, Miami owes him over $100 million. They just reworked Tyreek and resigned Waddle so trading them may be difficult too with cap hits.
Forget the Cap, you send everybody on their way and you eat it in 2025, I don't care if they field 31 UDFAs, pay them all minimum because they have to eat $200M in cap space, whatever
It's OVER!
This is easy for the fans to say but no coach and GM is going to give up their job for this.
 
Wow. I didn't think the hit looked that bad. I assumed he would play next week. I think you guys are assuming the worst here.
Thats the issue the hit wasn’t bad at all and it fully concused him. His fingers were all curled up when he was on the ground.
He was out. Every concussion makes someone that much more susceptible to the next one. Doesn’t take much once you get three of them or however many he’s had.
 
Sucks for Tua, hope he's okay.

Sucks for fantasy, massive hit for pretty much all Dolphins for probably a good chunk of the season.
I would be shocked if Tua plays another down.
Depends on what the doctors will tell him. Tua got $42MM as a signing bonus plus his rookie contract, that is set for life kind of money. Whether he should play or not for his health, unfortunately he's got over $100 million guaranteed in temptation to not retire. Maybe he and Miami can come to an agreement of some sort (I believe Indy & Luck came to an agreement when he wanted to retire early) but it seems likely that even if he's out the rest of this year, he'll be back next year.
Tua is a great human being and I'm sure Ross can find him a job in the organization and take care of him long term
Maybe Tua would stretch out the contract and cap relief, yada yada yada

I would like to see Miami just strip it again at this point. I would be trying to unload everyone, don't care the cap hit, just play UDFAs and roll up draft picks and get higher picks because they're gonna lose and lose and lose without a QB to run the offense

Unfortunately Tua was all they had and they waited and waited to extend him because they knew this was gonna happen
It will be interesting to see what happens, his 2025 salary and bonus are fully guaranteed, his 2026 $50 mil in salary is guaranteed for injury and fully guarantees at the start of next league year. As long as he is on the roster in 7 months, Miami owes him over $100 million. They just reworked Tyreek and resigned Waddle so trading them may be difficult too with cap hits.
Forget the Cap, you send everybody on their way and you eat it in 2025, I don't care if they field 31 UDFAs, pay them all minimum because they have to eat $200M in cap space, whatever
It's OVER!
This is easy for the fans to say but no coach and GM is going to give up their job for this.
Ross can be the GM for 1 season, no problem, he won't fire himself
 
Wow. I didn't think the hit looked that bad. I assumed he would play next week. I think you guys are assuming the worst here.
Thats the issue the hit wasn’t bad at all and it fully concused him. His fingers were all curled up when he was on the ground.
He was out. Every concussion makes someone that much more susceptible to the next one. Doesn’t take much once you get three of them or however many he’s had.

And you know damn well hes had more than the ones we have seen
 
Wow. I didn't think the hit looked that bad. I assumed he would play next week. I think you guys are assuming the worst here.
Thats the issue the hit wasn’t bad at all and it fully concused him. His fingers were all curled up when he was on the ground.

At this point Tua really needs to consider retirement. These are brain injuries, not a knee or ankle injury.
 
Wow. I didn't think the hit looked that bad. I assumed he would play next week. I think you guys are assuming the worst here.
Thats the issue the hit wasn’t bad at all and it fully concused him. His fingers were all curled up when he was on the ground.

At this point Tua really needs to consider retirement. These are brain injuries, not a knee or ankle injury.
I thought a couple of years ago he was one concussion away from retirement.
 
"If the concussion proves as "extreme" as it appeared Thursday, Tagovailoa could be sidelined a minimum of eight to 12 weeks, according to CBS Sports HQ injury expert Marty Jaramillo, though the quarterback's history of head trauma suggests "retirement has to at least be in play."

That's from the link I posted a few posts up
What a sad turn of events
 
Wow. I didn't think the hit looked that bad. I assumed he would play next week. I think you guys are assuming the worst here.
Thats the issue the hit wasn’t bad at all and it fully concused him. His fingers were all curled up when he was on the ground.
He was out. Every concussion makes someone that much more susceptible to the next one. Doesn’t take much once you get three of them or however many he’s had.

And you know damn well hes had more than the ones we have seen
Yeah, I just heard a lady on TV say that he has three concussions officially but it feels like more than that.
 
The Injury Expertz - Dr Jesse Morse, MIami

TBC, no affiliation with the Dolphins
  • after the hit, Tua has a "fencing posture response", referring to the involuntary movement of his right hand. Note his right hand balling into a fist and his arm going straight in the air; this may indicate the concussion resulted in a loss of consciousness, and at a minimum puts it on the severe end of the concussion spectrum.
  • anywhere from two weeks to season ending, and should probably consider if it's worth trying to play again.
  • if yes, should he wear a guardian cap? What other precautions?
Sucks for everyone. Prayers up for Fins up.
 

-McDaniel calling Tua when he took over as Miami's HC
 

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