Might start him week 13 v HOU.I honestly can't see a game the rest of the way I'd play Taylor over Bortles. I'm contemplating dumping him for Matt jones... two bad games in a row... This guy is looking more like a pumpkin
True. I'm going to see what develops over the next week I just can't see him rebounding with his scheduleIn a short bench league I just hate carrying two qbsMight start him week 13 v HOU.And his bad game Week 9: 11-12, 181, TD, 44 rush QB13I honestly can't see a game the rest of the way I'd play Taylor over Bortles. I'm contemplating dumping him for Matt jones... two bad games in a row... This guy is looking more like a pumpkin
Still not sure I can start the guy over Cam.Starting Taylor over Bortles next week. Belichick struggles against mobile QBs. I think he has a losing record vs mobile QBs overall, or perhaps just barely over .500. In the first meeting, Tyrod went wild with 285 yards, 4 TDs (3 passing,1 rushing).
I get a feeling people will bench Tyrod because its the Patriots without noticing what mobile QBs have done to Belichick's defenses. Then Tyrod goes off and people will plug in him the following week to chase his stats and he will have a dud.![]()
Have to think Tyrod will outperform Bortles this week at least.Starting Taylor over Bortles next week. Belichick struggles against mobile QBs. I think he has a losing record vs mobile QBs overall, or perhaps just barely over .500. In the first meeting, Tyrod went wild with 285 yards, 4 TDs (3 passing,1 rushing).
I get a feeling people will bench Tyrod because its the Patriots without noticing what mobile QBs have done to Belichick's defenses. Then Tyrod goes off and people will plug in him the following week to chase his stats and he will have a dud.![]()
Both underwhelming; I picked the right one but I could have won taking a zero. Disappointing Bortles didn't take advantage of what should have been two plus match ups. Doesn't make you feel very confident about his cake ROS schedule.Have to think Tyrod will outperform Bortles this week at least.Starting Taylor over Bortles next week. Belichick struggles against mobile QBs. I think he has a losing record vs mobile QBs overall, or perhaps just barely over .500. In the first meeting, Tyrod went wild with 285 yards, 4 TDs (3 passing,1 rushing).
I get a feeling people will bench Tyrod because its the Patriots without noticing what mobile QBs have done to Belichick's defenses. Then Tyrod goes off and people will plug in him the following week to chase his stats and he will have a dud.![]()
This week, Hoyer is a no-brainer. Maybe NO D will be a little better with Allen instead of Ryan, but they're still trotting out the same personnel.Both underwhelming; I picked the right one but I could have won taking a zero.Disappointing Bortles didn't take advantage of what should have been two plus match ups. Doesn't make you feel very confident about his cake ROS schedule.Have to think Tyrod will outperform Bortles this week at least.Starting Taylor over Bortles next week. Belichick struggles against mobile QBs. I think he has a losing record vs mobile QBs overall, or perhaps just barely over .500. In the first meeting, Tyrod went wild with 285 yards, 4 TDs (3 passing,1 rushing).
I get a feeling people will bench Tyrod because its the Patriots without noticing what mobile QBs have done to Belichick's defenses. Then Tyrod goes off and people will plug in him the following week to chase his stats and he will have a dud.![]()
TT had a rougher assignment facing two capable defenses on the road. But the offensive line kept him clean last night. With what we thought was his normal crisp accuracy, Tyrod should have had easy TDs to Hogan and McCoy. Now he's going up against a couple of hot defenses who are trending (KC & HOU) before finishing off the FF season with three games against the NFC Least.
Tempted to step off this train at the next station. Lots of choices on the wire, though none engender the feelings I had about TT six weeks ago:
Cousins
Hoyer
Manziel
Mariota
Osweiler
Winston
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Might stand pat & roll with BB. Got about 15 hours to decide.
I saw your post in the WW thread that you are largely repeating here. It's a sound argument.This week, Hoyer is a no-brainer. Maybe NO D will be a little better with Allen instead of Ryan, but they're still trotting out the same personnel.Both underwhelming; I picked the right one but I could have won taking a zero.Disappointing Bortles didn't take advantage of what should have been two plus match ups. Doesn't make you feel very confident about his cake ROS schedule.Have to think Tyrod will outperform Bortles this week at least.Starting Taylor over Bortles next week. Belichick struggles against mobile QBs. I think he has a losing record vs mobile QBs overall, or perhaps just barely over .500. In the first meeting, Tyrod went wild with 285 yards, 4 TDs (3 passing,1 rushing).
I get a feeling people will bench Tyrod because its the Patriots without noticing what mobile QBs have done to Belichick's defenses. Then Tyrod goes off and people will plug in him the following week to chase his stats and he will have a dud.![]()
TT had a rougher assignment facing two capable defenses on the road. But the offensive line kept him clean last night. With what we thought was his normal crisp accuracy, Tyrod should have had easy TDs to Hogan and McCoy. Now he's going up against a couple of hot defenses who are trending (KC & HOU) before finishing off the FF season with three games against the NFC Least.
Tempted to step off this train at the next station. Lots of choices on the wire, though none engender the feelings I had about TT six weeks ago:
Cousins
Hoyer
Manziel
Mariota
Osweiler
Winston
![]()
Might stand pat & roll with BB. Got about 15 hours to decide.
I also think he's a good bet ROS. I have him and TT and as of now am thinking of just going with Hoyer the rest of the way. Other than Week 1 (inexplicable benching) and Week 9 (left early with concussion), Hoyer has produced at least 230/2 in every game he's played this year.
As for TT, his early season success is really starting to look like a mirage.
Yeah, this is the first year I've really bought into streaming QBs, but TT is a perfect example of the downside. Mediocre QBs get exposed. (Incidentally, that may result in my Hoyer praise upthread looking foolish in a few weeks.)Fantasy football aside....The NFL has finally caught up to Tyrod Taylor and the Bills offense. He's not a very good QB. Hope you dumped him already.
Gave you my thoughts on Hoyer vs BB in the Hoyer thread, so I'll just say that, transaction limits aside, Hoyer is clearly the pick over TT at this point. Aside from his erratic play, Taylor has some upcoming match-ups that might have initially looked neutral-to-positive (KC, Houston) that now appear very negative.I saw your post in the WW thread that you are largely repeating here. It's a sound argument.This week, Hoyer is a no-brainer. Maybe NO D will be a little better with Allen instead of Ryan, but they're still trotting out the same personnel.Both underwhelming; I picked the right one but I could have won taking a zero.Disappointing Bortles didn't take advantage of what should have been two plus match ups. Doesn't make you feel very confident about his cake ROS schedule.Have to think Tyrod will outperform Bortles this week at least.Starting Taylor over Bortles next week. Belichick struggles against mobile QBs. I think he has a losing record vs mobile QBs overall, or perhaps just barely over .500. In the first meeting, Tyrod went wild with 285 yards, 4 TDs (3 passing,1 rushing).
I get a feeling people will bench Tyrod because its the Patriots without noticing what mobile QBs have done to Belichick's defenses. Then Tyrod goes off and people will plug in him the following week to chase his stats and he will have a dud.![]()
TT had a rougher assignment facing two capable defenses on the road. But the offensive line kept him clean last night. With what we thought was his normal crisp accuracy, Tyrod should have had easy TDs to Hogan and McCoy. Now he's going up against a couple of hot defenses who are trending (KC & HOU) before finishing off the FF season with three games against the NFC Least.
Tempted to step off this train at the next station. Lots of choices on the wire, though none engender the feelings I had about TT six weeks ago:
Cousins
Hoyer
Manziel
Mariota
Osweiler
Winston
![]()
Might stand pat & roll with BB. Got about 15 hours to decide.
I also think he's a good bet ROS. I have him and TT and as of now am thinking of just going with Hoyer the rest of the way. Other than Week 1 (inexplicable benching) and Week 9 (left early with concussion), Hoyer has produced at least 230/2 in every game he's played this year.
As for TT, his early season success is really starting to look like a mirage.
I'm inclined to just roll with Bortles. Part of my reasoning is singular to our league rules and not germane to the discussion (we have a cap of 32 moves per season...I'm at 27.) If I picked up Hoyer I'm not sure I would start him over BB, but I do agree he's a more attractive option ATM than TT.
You can't be serious.Even with the so so stats, he impressed me last night. Didn't think he would ever develop into a solid pro. Didn't make any really serious mistakes that I could see.
Is being afraid to throw the ball a "mistake". He has literally thrown 10 passes ALL SEASON that are more than 10 yards inside the numbers.Even with the so so stats, he impressed me last night. Didn't think he would ever develop into a solid pro. Didn't make any really serious mistakes that I could see.
That's more an indictment on the offensive scheme, rather than Taylor's skills. The Bills are a run-first team. The ideal scenario would be to throw 10-15 times a game. It's tough on any quarterback when every series is run, run, then throw on 3rd down. If Taylor were in a wide open scheme, he'd be very productive. His accuracy is really good. Last night, the wind was playing havoc with passes and kicks.Is being afraid to throw the ball a "mistake". He has literally thrown 10 passes ALL SEASON that are more than 10 yards inside the numbers.2 TDsEven with the so so stats, he impressed me last night. Didn't think he would ever develop into a solid pro. Didn't make any really serious mistakes that I could see.
2 Completions
3 INTs
3 Incomplete
THROW THE BALL. What the heck are Clay and Watkins for???
So one catch would have changed all the other bad throws and mistakes?Well really, it would have been a strong catch to make (but definitely catchable) if McCoy holds on to the pass in EZ, the dialogue here would be a tad different.
If the Bills ended up winning (or even just getting a TD there), those other errant throws wouldn't be harped on as much -- I agree, he didn't look sharp, but the game was close as defenses played well. heck --Brady actually threw 2 picks (one got called back cause of penalty)So one catch would have changed all the other bad throws and mistakes?Well really, it would have been a strong catch to make (but definitely catchable) if McCoy holds on to the pass in EZ, the dialogue here would be a tad different.
The number of deep attempts is an indictment of the scheme. What he has done with those attempts are an indictment of his skills.That's more an indictment on the offensive scheme, rather than Taylor's skills. The Bills are a run-first team. The ideal scenario would be to throw 10-15 times a game. It's tough on any quarterback when every series is run, run, then throw on 3rd down. If Taylor were in a wide open scheme, he'd be very productive. His accuracy is really good. Last night, the wind was playing havoc with passes and kicks.Is being afraid to throw the ball a "mistake". He has literally thrown 10 passes ALL SEASON that are more than 10 yards inside the numbers.2 TDsEven with the so so stats, he impressed me last night. Didn't think he would ever develop into a solid pro. Didn't make any really serious mistakes that I could see.
2 Completions
3 INTs
3 Incomplete
THROW THE BALL. What the heck are Clay and Watkins for???
Tyrod Taylor - QB - Bills
Bills coach Rex Ryan believes Tyrod Taylor (shoulder) "should be able to play" Week 12.
Ryan made the disclosure in a Tuesday radio interview. He had previously claimed ignorance about his quarterback's health. Taylor was clearly limited late in Monday's loss, grabbing his shoulder/collarbone area after every play. Some sort of pain injection is certainly on the way. Taylor will be a mid-range QB2 against the Chiefs' white-hot defense.
Source: Mike Schopp on Twitter
Nov 24 - 3:14 PM
Taylor has thrown 4 interceptions on the season. 2 of those were a result of the receiver tipping it up in the air. He's #7 in the league in yards-per-attempt at 7.9. 8 of his 11 touchdowns have been over 20 yards. He ranks #3 in air yards per attempt. I've watched all his games this year, and he throws a beautiful deep ball. Monday night's game against the Patriots, he was off, although he threw a dime to Shady for a possible touchdown. In addition, there was a stiff wind affecting passes and kicks. I have to respectfully disagree with your argument that Taylor cannot throw the deep ball.The number of deep attempts is an indictment of the scheme. What he has done with those attempts are an indictment of his skills.That's more an indictment on the offensive scheme, rather than Taylor's skills. The Bills are a run-first team. The ideal scenario would be to throw 10-15 times a game. It's tough on any quarterback when every series is run, run, then throw on 3rd down. If Taylor were in a wide open scheme, he'd be very productive. His accuracy is really good. Last night, the wind was playing havoc with passes and kicks.Is being afraid to throw the ball a "mistake". He has literally thrown 10 passes ALL SEASON that are more than 10 yards inside the numbers.2 TDsEven with the so so stats, he impressed me last night. Didn't think he would ever develop into a solid pro. Didn't make any really serious mistakes that I could see.
2 Completions
3 INTs
3 Incomplete
THROW THE BALL. What the heck are Clay and Watkins for???
I'm OK with only a 40% completion rate for longer passes. The longer the ball, the less likely it will be caught. But the three interceptions is a definite indictment of his skills. That just can't happen. Now teams know they don't have worry about deep help and can stack the box against the run and short pass. The lack of call for the deep ball and Tyrod completing almost as many of those deep balls to other teams takes a whole segment of the field that defenses don't have to worry about making defending their side of the field easier.
That was a beautiful deep TD pass to Harvin week 1. I think that may have been the longest TD through the air in Harvin's career.Taylor has thrown 4 interceptions on the season. 2 of those were a result of the receiver tipping it up in the air. He's #7 in the league in yards-per-attempt at 7.9. 8 of his 11 touchdowns have been over 20 yards. He ranks #3 in air yards per attempt. I've watched all his games this year, and he throws a beautiful deep ball. Monday night's game against the Patriots, he was off, although he threw a dime to Shady for a possible touchdown. In addition, there was a stiff wind affecting passes and kicks. I have to respectfully disagree with your argument that Taylor cannot throw the deep ball.The number of deep attempts is an indictment of the scheme. What he has done with those attempts are an indictment of his skills.That's more an indictment on the offensive scheme, rather than Taylor's skills. The Bills are a run-first team. The ideal scenario would be to throw 10-15 times a game. It's tough on any quarterback when every series is run, run, then throw on 3rd down. If Taylor were in a wide open scheme, he'd be very productive. His accuracy is really good. Last night, the wind was playing havoc with passes and kicks.Is being afraid to throw the ball a "mistake". He has literally thrown 10 passes ALL SEASON that are more than 10 yards inside the numbers.2 TDsEven with the so so stats, he impressed me last night. Didn't think he would ever develop into a solid pro. Didn't make any really serious mistakes that I could see.
2 Completions
3 INTs
3 Incomplete
THROW THE BALL. What the heck are Clay and Watkins for???
I'm OK with only a 40% completion rate for longer passes. The longer the ball, the less likely it will be caught. But the three interceptions is a definite indictment of his skills. That just can't happen. Now teams know they don't have worry about deep help and can stack the box against the run and short pass. The lack of call for the deep ball and Tyrod completing almost as many of those deep balls to other teams takes a whole segment of the field that defenses don't have to worry about making defending their side of the field easier.
Fair enough...Taylor has thrown 4 interceptions on the season. 2 of those were a result of the receiver tipping it up in the air. He's #7 in the league in yards-per-attempt at 7.9. 8 of his 11 touchdowns have been over 20 yards. He ranks #3 in air yards per attempt. I've watched all his games this year, and he throws a beautiful deep ball. Monday night's game against the Patriots, he was off, although he threw a dime to Shady for a possible touchdown. In addition, there was a stiff wind affecting passes and kicks. I have to respectfully disagree with your argument that Taylor cannot throw the deep ball.The number of deep attempts is an indictment of the scheme. What he has done with those attempts are an indictment of his skills.That's more an indictment on the offensive scheme, rather than Taylor's skills. The Bills are a run-first team. The ideal scenario would be to throw 10-15 times a game. It's tough on any quarterback when every series is run, run, then throw on 3rd down. If Taylor were in a wide open scheme, he'd be very productive. His accuracy is really good. Last night, the wind was playing havoc with passes and kicks.Is being afraid to throw the ball a "mistake". He has literally thrown 10 passes ALL SEASON that are more than 10 yards inside the numbers.2 TDsEven with the so so stats, he impressed me last night. Didn't think he would ever develop into a solid pro. Didn't make any really serious mistakes that I could see.
2 Completions
3 INTs
3 Incomplete
THROW THE BALL. What the heck are Clay and Watkins for???
I'm OK with only a 40% completion rate for longer passes. The longer the ball, the less likely it will be caught. But the three interceptions is a definite indictment of his skills. That just can't happen. Now teams know they don't have worry about deep help and can stack the box against the run and short pass. The lack of call for the deep ball and Tyrod completing almost as many of those deep balls to other teams takes a whole segment of the field that defenses don't have to worry about making defending their side of the field easier.
Bortles had a bad RL game (that LOS thing - twice! - yesterday was ####### hilarious), but he scored aboutI unfortunately dropped him for Ajayi but I have a good amount of FAAB left and I'm going to try and reverse this and grab Taylor back. Bortles is not playing too well. Go figure Taylor does great, I pick him up and he gets hurt. I grab Bortles and then he starts to play bad. I'm the curse of QBs this year. I guess I shouldn't pick up Winston as my backup plan if someone out bids me for Taylor, for the sake of Winston owners.

In this particular space, we've discussed the tricky contract decisions coming for clubs on future free-agent quarterbacks Brock Osweiler and Kirk Cousins. And while the Bills don't need to address Tyrod Taylor's situation in the offseason, giving their quarterback an extension is certainly something to look at.
The ex-Raven signed a three-year deal with Buffalo in March, but the final year voids if Taylor plays 50 percent of the Bills' 2015 or '16 snaps -- and since he's already played 645 snaps (80.9 percent), it's now a certainty that next year will be a contract year for the first-year starter, who is scheduled to make $1 million (plus attainable play-time incentives that could push the deal to $3 million) in his second year with the team.
Suffice it to say, the 26-year-old, who made just over $2 million over his first four NFL years, could be motivated to secure his fiscal future and mitigate injury risk. That puts the team in a good position to do a deal, which leads to the question of whether or not the Bills are comfortable hitching their wagon to Taylor as their quarterback of the future.
With that as the backdrop, I asked Rex Ryan this week if he thinks, based on what he knows now, Taylor is the type of quarterback who can become the face of a franchise.
"I hope so -- and I do [think so]," Ryan told me. "If this guy stays healthy, he's got a chance. Now, I wouldn't say he's Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. I'm not saying that, even though he's ranked fourth in the league [in passer rating] and Brady's ranked fifth ..."
Rex smiled, then continued: "I'm confident in this young man. And I've been confident from the day we brought him here. He's done nothing but stay on the level I thought he'd be on or even exceeded it a little bit. He's been absolutely terrific for us. If we win, I think people will realize it. We're 6-4 with him as our starter. I think the more success our team has -- people are gonna say, 'Who is this kid at quarterback?' And they'll be surprised when they look at the stats."
I then asked Ryan what everyone missed on Taylor. He responded, "Don't care. Don't care. We missed on him in New York when I was trying to [trade for] him. I wish I had the foresight then that I have now."
Ryan explained to me back in the spring that part of the reason he pursued Taylor when he was a Jets coach -- and then successfully this offseason -- was because former Ravens Ray Lewis and Ed Reed raved to him about the kid running the scout team in practice in Baltimore. And Ryan was intrigued.
On Taylor's end, his agent actually initially reached out to the Eagles, because of the potential fit in Chip Kelly's offense. When it became clear that wasn't an option -- Philly was working on the Sam Bradford trade -- the Broncos (whose new coach, Gary Kubiak, had just coached Taylor as the offensive coordinator in Baltimore in 2014) and the Bills emerged as Taylor's suitors, and the playing-time picture pushed him to Buffalo. Now that Taylor's there, though, there are other reasons he wants to stick around. And he's adamant about staying.
"For sure. For sure. It's a great group of guys, great organization to be around, great people in the organization. And great players," Taylor told me. "I love coming to work. Just with the attitude everyone comes to work with, that makes it a fun environment. So, of course, I'd want to be here long-term."
The quarterback added that Greg Roman's scheme has proved an ideal fit, because, in Taylor's words, the offensive coordinator "does a good job of creating ways to have his playmakers go out there and succeed."
It should be noted that Roman's approach in San Francisco (where he worked from 2011 to 2014) worked early on for Colin Kaepernick, too, and Kaepernick's development eventually plateaued when defenses forced him to function as a more conventional quarterback. Similarly, Taylor will have to prove he can counterpunch when defenses build a book on him.
But with six touchdown passes and no picks in his last two games, and the Bills squarely in the race for an AFC wild-card spot, we can say this much: So far, so good.
"We know what he's doing," Ryan said. And he's just getting better and better as he goes along."