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QB Tyrod Taylor, NYJ (1 Viewer)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Take off the blinders man. This team has tried to tank since minute one. Everyone knows it except Bills fans. Tyrod may just end up being a journeyman but to bench him while in the playoff race for a mediocre rookie is something I haven’t seen before.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
You have watched Tyrod play? I say play and not throw because.....well.....he doesn't do that much.
Dizzy
Footballguy
A lot of QBs are generally decent.
I like Ty, but you're not winning in the playoffs with him (might not even make the playoffs with him)... Bills have tanked the last 2 games... QB can't put the team on his shoulders... low INT ratio usually indicates a QB that is hesitant to throw that #### downfield!
Gotta find out if the backup has something to offer. No time like the present!
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
No time like the present? They are 5-4 and currently the 6th seed for the playoffs. So it does seem like a bad time to see if the backup late round rookie QB can play. I can't think of a much worse time.
As for not throwing down field, who would he throw it to? They have a roster of slot receivers and one of the slowest most lumbering #1 WRs in recent memory. I mean if they had a guy like Sammy Watkins who could stretch the field, I bet he would throw it deep.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You are going to count last year when Sammy had a broken foot and didn't play one healthy game? I remember the year before Watkins was about the best WR in fantasy for the 2nd half of the year.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Have you seen them play lately? The season is over. Period. They have a very difficult schedule the rest of the way (not that it matters because they made the Jets look like SB contenders). They have to see what Peterman has in real game action so they can plan for next season.
I wish Tyrod the best. He's been a class act, but IMO he's just not cut out to be a good enough QB to take anything but a pretty stacked team to the playoffs.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I have seen, they looked awful. It's pretty bad if your coaching staff is throwing in the towel at 5-4 the coaching staff is dumb as hell imo. There are 7 more games, plenty of time to get live looks at Peterman.
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GreenNGold
Footballguy
Ugh wish FBG would have sent an email about this, I completely missed out on any chance at his replacement.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bills have been bold since the offseason. Andy Benoit was on ESPN weeks ago breaking down Tyrods All-22 and pointed out how many big plays he was missing. This was discussed on ESPN radio today and pointed out how frustrating that must be for the OC. So there may be something there where he is only reading half the field and missing on the play design. If that is the case I can see the staff making a move because it makes them look bad if he is not executing. Now whether Peterman puts them in a better position or not...time will tell. If they make the playoffs McDermott should be coach of the year.
Dizzy
Footballguy
It's not about where they are right now. It's about where they think they are heading.
The Bills aren't winning anything with Taylor. He's a back-up QB with a starting job. Nice guy, but not what you want if the QB needs to go out and win games when the running game isn't happening.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
In 2015 he was 5th in yards per completion and yards per attempt. That's when they had a quality deep threat WR. This year, tell me, who is he supposed to throw downfield to?
The Duff Man
Footballguy
You have to focus on those stats....why?
Because he doesn't throw the ball enough.
Cut any QBs throws by 30% and remove the throws where the WR was the most covered and guess what.....yards per attempt go up.
Shocking
He wasn't dumping off to the RB as much in 2015....he was running. Check his rushing stats.
This year he is dumping it for 3 yards to the RB....on 3rd and 12
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I'm not saying he's great or even above average. He has major flaws. I haven't seen the all 22, are Zay Jones and a 1 handed Jordan Matthews getting open downfield?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Watching Taylor check down to McCoy and Clay on 3rd and longs while down multiple scores vs. NO was pretty infuriating. I'm sorry, you have to throw the ####### ball at or past the chains in those situations. It's hard to defend him.
I saw a vicious cycle unfolding with BUF in recent weeks. The defense was letting up, forcing Taylor into the uncomfortable position of having to play catch-up. Taylor can't play catch-up, can't sustain drives which lead to the defense spending far too much time on the field. NO would drive down the field, score, rinse, repeat.
Late in the game vs. NO they were absolutely gassed. NO ran the ball 24 consecutive times and BUF was helpless. Ingram gashed them, Kamara gashed them, the FB gashed them and someone named Trey Edmunds gashed them. That #### was painful to watch.
Edit: And after watching that game, despite what McDermott said about Taylor remaining the starting QB I had already decided that I'd never start him again. I figured he was liable to be benched for Peterman on any given week and I wasn't exactly surprised by the announcement today.
I saw a vicious cycle unfolding with BUF in recent weeks. The defense was letting up, forcing Taylor into the uncomfortable position of having to play catch-up. Taylor can't play catch-up, can't sustain drives which lead to the defense spending far too much time on the field. NO would drive down the field, score, rinse, repeat.
Late in the game vs. NO they were absolutely gassed. NO ran the ball 24 consecutive times and BUF was helpless. Ingram gashed them, Kamara gashed them, the FB gashed them and someone named Trey Edmunds gashed them. That #### was painful to watch.
Edit: And after watching that game, despite what McDermott said about Taylor remaining the starting QB I had already decided that I'd never start him again. I figured he was liable to be benched for Peterman on any given week and I wasn't exactly surprised by the announcement today.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
The condensed film angle is the same as the regular viewing angle so it's not easy to tell. It's just that it didn't even seem like Taylor was trying. At some point you need to give your WRs a shot at making a play even if they aren't obviously open.
I just remember him checking down to Tolbert on 3rd and 13 down 30 to 3 thinking "This guy isn't even trying to win anymore.".
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Just because he doesn't have a deep ball threat is no excuse for not completing some 10-15 yard routes. I'd bet he had less than 10 of those this year. Good QBs have nearly 10 per game.
Anyone have any references to look up this sort of stat?
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Nobody is looking to break the playoff drought this year. Everyone expected a bottom 10 season. Unfortunately they managed to win some games early in the season exclusively due to turnovers, so that is in fact a bit of a setback for their future. Hopefully they don't back their way into 3-4 wins in the last 7 games, because winning 5 more - to make the playoffs - is completely unrealistic.
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Fireinside
Footballguy
I think it's a bit late for Bills to change qb as they could have sold tyrod with a decent draft pick. Still, I think it's great that taylor can get out of buffalo. He will find a place and be productive somewhere.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Lowest turnover percentage and he may be available?
Tom Coughlin just raised an eyebrow.
With that D, a competent QB who doesn't turn the ball over (and whose skills you could orient the offense around) could absolutely take the Jags to the Super Bowl.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Sounds like an experienced QB. You guys are saying he's down 30 and it's 3rd and 13 why doesn't he chuck it down field. Because he's been burned trying that. It's not like the Bills have been very good during his tenure. No one said "soandso was wide open" in this thread. He's not getting 30 points with one throw, the game is essentially over. You're nitpicking pretty harshly for a guy down 30
Bills WRs have been terrible since he's been there. When Watkins got something going, that was the best he had. It must be rough to see them add Benjamin and sit.
Zay Jones seems to be like 3 for 10 or 2 for 8 or somesuch most weeks. He just kept firing. What else could he do?
I really think he's done well in a bad situation. There are many NFL QBs that "have it made" at WR compared to what he's had to play with
Zay Jones seems to be like 3 for 10 or 2 for 8 or somesuch most weeks. He just kept firing. What else could he do?
I really think he's done well in a bad situation. There are many NFL QBs that "have it made" at WR compared to what he's had to play with
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I've defended Tyrod a lot, but there's one thing that doesn't show up in any stat that is the biggest problem for Tyrod and why many Buffalo fans are very down on him. He simply doesn't throw the ball to wide open receivers an inexcusable amount of time. Whether it's because he doesn't see them, or because he is just too slow/afraid to decide to make the throw, every week there are at least 4-5 plays where the play goes for nothing (or a sack is taken) and there is a receiver that is running wide open for a nice gain and in an area that Tyrod should see them.
There are no stats that reflect that very well. Yes, the WRs have not been great (mostly due to injury), but there have been way more receivers open than you would think. The one stat that probably reflects that best is the very poor ranking the Bills have had under Tyrod for 3 and outs.
There are no stats that reflect that very well. Yes, the WRs have not been great (mostly due to injury), but there have been way more receivers open than you would think. The one stat that probably reflects that best is the very poor ranking the Bills have had under Tyrod for 3 and outs.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, he is a flawed QB. It seems like a team in the playoff picutre in a bad conference could gear their offense around the most mobile QB in the league and push for a playoff run. Instead, they are tossing away the season experimenting with a 5th round rookie QB. It's just crazy to me. I just look around the league and see Gabbert, Savage, Osweiler, Bortles, etc. and think the Bills should feel lucky to have Taylor.GroveDiesel said:
If I was the Bills OC (yeah I know) I would run aim for the RG3 Redksins offense and try to squeeze everything out of Tyrod's speed and ahtleticism. Everything they have done from the offseason to know showed they have no interest in that and no interesting winning this year, despite the fact that they were actually winning.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
This sounds like something to exploit - how many of those OC's are out there that have open QB spots? Who are OC's we should be tracking that might change teams and open up an opportunity? Chan Gailey is the first that comes to mind but he's not coaching this year - is he all done or would he be enticed back?
Sounds like McCoy may be on the outs in Denver. Will be interesting to see how that situation shakes out. He hasn't covered himself in glory this year, but he has a pretty good track record with a range of different QBs (Tebow, Peyton, Rivers). And of course, depending on who might replace him, Denver could be an intriguing landing spot for Tyrod.
Would love to have been a fly on the wall when McDermott told Tyrod he was coming back in: "Well, well, well ..." He should have demanded a contract renegotiation on the spot.
I don't know what to think going forward. On the one hand, there's no way they can go back to Peterman, and the whole reason I picked up Tyrod to begin with was his favorable late-season schedule. On the other, the Bills have the look of that ex-girlfriend who has already demonstrated she's a little crazy. No matter how good the sex is, sometimes you just need to back away slowly and extricate yourself from the entire situation.
I don't know what to think going forward. On the one hand, there's no way they can go back to Peterman, and the whole reason I picked up Tyrod to begin with was his favorable late-season schedule. On the other, the Bills have the look of that ex-girlfriend who has already demonstrated she's a little crazy. No matter how good the sex is, sometimes you just need to back away slowly and extricate yourself from the entire situation.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I hope he goes rogue and just does what he wants because they will set him up to fail. McDermott didn't like being wrong and swallowing his pride after the player-council had a lot to say.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Perhaps a ploy to motivate????
"Tyrod, for this next play, 686 Pump F-Stop on two."
"Nah."
"What do you mean? Run the play I called!"
"I'm calling the plays from now on. What are you gonna do, bench me again for Peterman?"
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Just the fact that he's been benched once makes him way riskier. And yeah, Pats (who he has to face twice) are not the juicy match-up they appeared to be earlier in the season.
In my case, I don't have much of a choice. 14-team league, I've already cycled through Luck, Palmer, Tyrod once, and Cutler last week. Best options on my WW are Fitz, Jimmy G and Bortles. So yeah, I'm nervous, but he's the best I can do.
need2know
Footballguy
Do you watch the NFL? Tons of crappy QBs starting right now. He doesn't have to start.
Denver. Jets. Tb. Jax. Colts. Hou. Gb.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I assumed you meant to be a starter. I assume he's going to want to at least compete to be a starter, but who knows. Maybe he'd be fine going to GB or a team like that.
So you think he's going to leave the Bills to go be a back-up next year? I don't think that's what any NFL player is thinking right now.
