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Quinn to compete with Orton for starting job (1 Viewer)
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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
What a pointless statement. All quarterbacks are allowed to compete for the starting job.
edit: apparently there is a lot of manlove in here for certain quarterbacks. Please take my statement above to be a very generalized statement, and not in any way meant to threaten your love for Peyton Manning or any other quarterback.
edit: apparently there is a lot of manlove in here for certain quarterbacks. Please take my statement above to be a very generalized statement, and not in any way meant to threaten your love for Peyton Manning or any other quarterback.
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DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
So Curtis Painter has a shot to beat out Peyton Manning for the starting gig? Nice.
I think when they start about 2-8 that it will probably be Tim Tebow time. Before this Orton will get his chance and Quinn will come in and really suck, they will be go to Orton and finally Tebow. McDaniels is going to be under alot of pressure after drafting him in the 1st if they get off to a bad start. Which I truly envision.
I do not agree with this.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Painter will get a chance to compete for Indy's starting job. And if, by some miracle, he outplays Peyton in every way, shape and form, then he would start for the Colts.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I agree with this. Some competitions are longer than others. The one in Indy ends the second Peyton steps foot in the practice facility for the first mini camp. The one in St. Louis will likely go a few weeks into the season. The one in Oakland might go into training camp. If Favre retires it could go throughout the season in Minnesota. There is always a competition. Some are just longer than others....
That is not true. If he outplayed Manning in all the camps and preseason Manning would still enter the season as the starter. He then would probably have to have a 1:3 or even 1:4 TD to INT ratio to be pulled for sucky play (not including any type of injury) and that would probably go on for 10-12 weeks. Look how long it took for Delhomme to get pulled last year...and this is Peyton Manning we are talking about. I would say along with Manning, there are about 6-7 other QBs who would get this type of leeway too.
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BoulderBob
Footballguy
IF they toss Tebow on the field this year he will be ruined, and I think(hope) they know that. It's Orton and Quinn this season, I'm almost 100% sure of that. Tebow MIGHT be ready come 2011, but I'm thinking 2012 at the earliest IF the guys running the Broncos know what they are doing, and I believe they do...Tebow is simply going to need the time to sit and learn, like most QB's do, but especially a guy like Tebow. He just isn't even close to being ready for the NFL, but he fell into a great situation, imo, as Orton will be fine for the next two years...
identikit
Footballguy
I believe this is incorrect. As others have pointed out above, Peyton Manning could not conceivably lose his job no matter how much he is outplayed during training camp and the preseason. Drew Brees could look like Drew Carey in the preseason and his starting gig would be safe. Sure, there are competitions going for many teams, but not all of them by any stretch.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Delhomme wasn't outplayed in the preseason.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'd think Tim Tebow has a better shot at starting than Brady Quinn. Heck, I'd think Moreno has a better shot than Quinn of winning the QB job.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Lombardi irks me. All his reports of potential trades never pan out. He needs to get better sources, if he has sources.
Came to post this. Next we're going to be getting an update letting us know that Tim Brandstater and Tim Tebow will be competing for the starting QB job, too. I mean, come on, did anyone honestly believe that Kyle Orton was going to be untouchable? Did anyone think Denver was going to go out and acquire two first-round QBs and not give them any chance to at least COMPETE for the job?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
IMO, Orton and Tebow are the only two QBs guaranteed to be on the 53 man roster this September. Orton will either be the starter or the veteran backup QB. Tebow is safe even if he doesn't perform because McDaniels would look like a complete fool if cut a first round pick.
Brandstarter and Quinn are competing for the 3rd QB position. I don't expect Denver to keep 4 QBs so one those two will be cut.
Brandstarter and Quinn are competing for the 3rd QB position. I don't expect Denver to keep 4 QBs so one those two will be cut.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Nope. He's a dud. If Holmgren sent him packing without so much as a mini-camp rep on a team starving for a QB, I'm thinking he isn't an NFL QB.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
He's not, but I don't think Tebow is either. Denver is screwed.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Brandstater is eligible for the practice squad. That's probably where he'll end up.
Yup, unless Denver manages to trade him to Seattle for a couple of 2nd round draft picks.
a_troll00
Footballguy
McDaniels sure does love his project QBs, and he's arrogant enough to believe he can turn @#$% into gold.
Somebody has to tell him that Brady was the exception, not the rule.
And Matt Cassel? Before Orton got traded to Denver, did anyone ever see a 3800/21/12 season in his future?Although, to be perfectly honest, I do agree that Brady was the exception. McDaniels was on New England's staff in 2001... but as a defensive assistant, not a QB coach. By the time McDaniels got moved to offense, becoming QB coach in 2004, Brady was already a two-time SBMVP and a pro bowler who was coming off of back-to-back 3600 yard seasons and who had already led the league in passing TDs once. By that point, Brady hardly qualified as a "project" anymore... which does make him the exception, since he's the only QB McDaniels has ever coached that wasn't considered a project.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Things I know about the situation
1) Lombardi has spent a lot of time with Josh McDaniels recently and usually has an inside track on all things Broncos (per the quote)
2) Orton isn't an All Pro
3) Brady Quinn was on the radar for the Broncos last year
4) They drafted another Qb in the first round so obviously Orton isn't a long term solution
I think Quinn is the starter by week 6-8
1) Lombardi has spent a lot of time with Josh McDaniels recently and usually has an inside track on all things Broncos (per the quote)
2) Orton isn't an All Pro
3) Brady Quinn was on the radar for the Broncos last year
4) They drafted another Qb in the first round so obviously Orton isn't a long term solution
I think Quinn is the starter by week 6-8
jurb26
Footballguy
Really? I understand that Orton is a Pro Bowler or anything, but Quinn just doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL. Orton, while a bellow average starter, is at least capable of starting. I'd be pretty surprised if Quinn started at any point but maybe I'm off base here.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Quinn looked bad in Cleveland.......true. His weapons were???????????I don't think anyone cold have looked great with what he was working with in Cle.Quinn has talent, a good arm, good mobility and very good instincts.IMO Quinn > Orton
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
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CaptainHook
Footballguy
derek anderson 2007. 3800 yards and 29 TDs ring a bell?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
As someone stated above, with those lousy weapons Derrick Anderson went nuts but Quinn didn't do anything...Quinn's career stats for three seasons:1902 yards10 TD's9 picks52% completion percentage66 QB rating 3-9 as a starter.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Seriously Scotty..........you use to own Winslow and Edwards and said how great they were and that is the year that DA had a good year. Now they were both gone last year and DA goes down the toilet.....and you saying there is some similiarity between DA's good year with 2 top 7 picks on his team with offensive talent and without.
Way to not connect the dots at all guys
Buffaloes
Footballguy
I've been seeing a lot of this since Denver acquired Quinn. IMO it's just another case of people overvaluing the backup. Quinn has showed nothing at the NFL level to make me think he can be a quality starter in the league. Orton at least showed something in Chicago (with a subpar supporting cast). What do you think makes Quinn a better QB than Orton this year? Don't forget Orton already has a year of experience in Denver's supposedly difficult offensive system. I'm not saying you or anyone who sees Quinn as the better QB are wrong, I'm just not seeing it.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I just don't think he has want McDaniels is looking for. He was his 2nd choice last year and they settled for him and then after showing what he has for one year they go out and get another qb and draft another one in the 1st round.That isn't a vote of confidence from the front office
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Oh I agree with that 100% but I think Orton continues to be the stopgap guy for 2010 barring an injury. After 2010? Well, I think it gets a little murky as Orton will likely be headed to another team as a journeyman stopgap guy assuming there is an NFL season in 2011 which leaves Quinn, Tebow and possibly Brandstater under contract for 2011. It will obviously come down to whether or not Tebow is ready for the job and if not whether Quinn can beat Brandstater for the job. Adam Shefter recently "tweeted" that Brandstater may ultimately be the best guy long term and a local Bronco reporter Josina Anderson also "tweeted" that a former Bronco sees Brandstater as the best QB of the bunch. Anyway, barring injury I think Quinn will be a backup in Denver in 2010 and possibly beyond. Quinn's stuck in a tough spot right now.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
If Quinn gets a start over a healthy Orton, McDaniels should be fired on the spot. Quinn is not an NFL QB in no way, shape, or form.
bonesman
Footballguy
According to Mike Lombardi of the National Football Post, "everyone in the organization" has been impressed by Brady Quinn so far at Broncos minicamp.
Quinn has slowed down his mechanics and exhibited improved accuracy, and Lombardi indicates that the Broncos' QB battle is more wide open than Josh McDaniels has let on. Lombardi attended Denver's first post-draft minicamp and worked in the organization in 2008, so we're led to believe he has good inside info. He also talked up Quinn on the NFL Network last week.
Source: National Football Post
Quinn has slowed down his mechanics and exhibited improved accuracy, and Lombardi indicates that the Broncos' QB battle is more wide open than Josh McDaniels has let on. Lombardi attended Denver's first post-draft minicamp and worked in the organization in 2008, so we're led to believe he has good inside info. He also talked up Quinn on the NFL Network last week.
Source: National Football Post
Orton might have been McDaniels' second choice... but Quinn was his 3rd choice, at best. Cleveland had a package on the table that contained Quinn, and Washington was offering a package featuring Campbell. McDaniels decided to go with Chicago in part because he liked Kyle Orton as his new QB.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
And then he goes out and gets Quinn the next year..................I thought I heard, and I could be wrong, that Cle. was wanting a 2nd round pick for him and Denver thought that was to high. I'm not sure he wasn't higher on the list than Orton but like I said. I could be mistaken.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
How is the drafting of Tebow a vote of confidence in Quinn?
Quinn would have been coming to Denver in 2009 as part of the Cutler deal. Denver traded with Chicago instead of Cleveland in large part because McDaniels preferred Orton to Quinn.It's not like Denver gave up a fortune to get him. Whitehurst figures prominently in Seattle's long-term plans. I know this, because Seattle paid a lot to get him. Quinn, though... Denver basically just traded a handful of pocket lint. That might mean that they really like him. On the other hand, it might mean that they just like him more than a handful of pocket lint.Quinn's cost was probably the equivalent of a 6th rounder. If Quinn was a 6th round rookie right now, how prominently would you think he figured in Denver's long-term plans?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Not being a smarta-- but I would love to find that being quoted somewhere last year cause I remember for some reason hearing that Cassell was his first choice and then Brady was his second. Again, I could be wrong but I thought Cle. was wanting a 2nd in return and Den. didn't want to give that much up.This year the new regime wanted to start fresh and gave him away. I definetly think Quinn is much mroe talented than a 6th round pick and I really think he is going to put some pressure on Orton this yearSSOG said:
Blackjacks
Footballguy
It doesn't show confidence in anyoneDonnybrook said:
Why would Cleveland have wanted a 2nd in return? What would that trade look like? Jay Cutler + a 2nd rounder for Brady Quinn?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
How about connect the dots that Quinn had plenty of time to throw to both Edwards and Winslow and did nothing with those opportunities and got beat out by a chump. They played behind the identical line and with the identical players and DA way outplayed Quinn. DA went to the probowl. Quinn started drafting his ticket out of town...
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Blackjacks
Footballguy
No sorry, that's how it came off.It would have been the whole deal with Chicago as was and then a seperate deal with Cle.After reading my post I wrote that wrong.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Yet, somehow last year Quinn beat Anderson in every statistical category, and looked much better on the field, IMO. When did Quinn have plenty of time to throw to both Edwards and Winslow?He threw less than 100 passes in his career with Edwards and Winslow in the lineup. How did he have plenty of time to throw to both of them?
identikit
Footballguy
Jaguars interested in Brady Quinn and a Broncos DE/OLB
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5/4/2010 10:53:49 AM
Josina Anderson of FOX31 in Denver reports according to sources, the Jaguars have "discussed their interest in Brady Quinn and a Broncos DE/OLB. They are "talking about moving Reggie Nelson." Which is not surprising
http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription.aspx?EntryId=6092
May
4
5/4/2010 10:53:49 AM
Josina Anderson of FOX31 in Denver reports according to sources, the Jaguars have "discussed their interest in Brady Quinn and a Broncos DE/OLB. They are "talking about moving Reggie Nelson." Which is not surprising
http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription.aspx?EntryId=6092
I'd love it if the DE/OLB in question was Jarvis Moss. Denver never should have traded up to get Moss in the first place- I thought all along they should have just stood pat and taken Reggie Nelson. Great way to correct one of the few errors the Goodman/Shanahan team made.
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