Quinn to compete with Orton for starting job (1 Viewer)

[healthpellets]

Man... does ANYone out there think Quinn has what it takes to be a NFL QB? Maybe I'm an r-tard, but I was kinda thinking that it was possible McDaniels could make something of him.

yes. i do.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

The reason I think Quinn stays on the bench is money ... a few million reasons. He is under contract on the cheap for two more seasons IF Quinn does not take 70% of the snaps this season. With the cheap salary, Denver is happy to keep Quinn and continue to develop him. Orton is signed for one more season. Quinn is under contract for two seasons. Having depth at the position is a good thing. No need to make a trade.

 

[SSOG]

The reason I think Quinn stays on the bench is money ... a few million reasons. He is under contract on the cheap for two more seasons IF Quinn does not take 70% of the snaps this season. With the cheap salary, Denver is happy to keep Quinn and continue to develop him. Orton is signed for one more season. Quinn is under contract for two seasons. Having depth at the position is a good thing. No need to make a trade.

Denver likes Brandstater a lot, too. Obviously trading Quinn pushes up the potential timetable for Tebow (although I never bought the "Tim will sit for 2 years" angle- how many 1st round QBs have been kept on the bench for 2 years by anyone not named Brett Favre or Drew Brees?), but if a team has 4 QBs they like, they might as well get value for one of them.

 

[SSOG]

I also thought it was ironic that the Broncos reportedly have "no interest in trading Brady Quinn", especially after last year's "we're interested in moving ANYONE for the right price" speech. Jay Cutler? Yeah, we're looking to trade him... but don't even bother asking about Brady Quinn.

 

[crush304]

Is it possible the broncos trade Orton and keep Quinn, Tebow and Branstater? I get the impression Orton had his tryout last year and is not what McDaniels wants as the Broncos future QB.

I could see it fairly quickly as Tebow , Quinn, Branstater

 

[bonesman]

Is it possible the broncos trade Orton and keep Quinn, Tebow and Branstater? I get the impression Orton had his tryout last year and is not what McDaniels wants as the Broncos future QB. I could see it fairly quickly as Tebow , Quinn, Branstater

McDaniels has stated on record numerous times that Kyle Orton is his starting QB...... so seeing how he's operated so far, he's probably trying to get rid of Kyle ASAP... he wants someone older and suckier.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The reason I think Quinn stays on the bench is money ... a few million reasons. He is under contract on the cheap for two more seasons IF Quinn does not take 70% of the snaps this season. With the cheap salary, Denver is happy to keep Quinn and continue to develop him. Orton is signed for one more season. Quinn is under contract for two seasons. Having depth at the position is a good thing. No need to make a trade.

Denver likes Brandstater a lot, too. Obviously trading Quinn pushes up the potential timetable for Tebow (although I never bought the "Tim will sit for 2 years" angle- how many 1st round QBs have been kept on the bench for 2 years by anyone not named Brett Favre or Drew Brees?)

Steve McNair and Chad Pennington are two. Rex Grossman would be another, I suppose (although his health probably played a role). Brady Quinn sat for 1 1/2 years. And Kevin Kolb was Philly's first selection in the 2007 draft, so I'd include him as well.Then you've got guys like Tommy Maddox, Jim Druckenmiller or Andre Ware (who may have been given a shot early on, but quickly went to the bench and stayed there until getting cut).

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'd think Tim Tebow has a better shot at starting than Brady Quinn. Heck, I'd think Moreno has a better shot than Quinn of winning the QB job.

No offense but you'd be wrong. They're not throwing Brady Quinn out there to the wolves. so he's not going to be starting. To me there's no doubt that Orton will start the season, however, I also think they'll struggle this year. They'll be struggling and they'll blame the QB because they're losing and then they'll yank Orton and in comes Quinn. Now, Quinn will look even worse, but eventually he'll get a shot because Denver won't be any good and people love to blame. That blame falls on the coach and the QB.A horrible season in Denver will actually set up nicely next season for a Tim Tebow start.

 

[moleculo]

guys, look at it from the perspective of what happened last year w/ Chris Simms. When Orton went down, Den was 6-2, on the road against a 2-6 Redskin team, leading at the half, 17-14. Enter Simms, who goes 3-13 for 13 yards, 1 int, 3 first downs in the half, and zero points. The following week, w/ Simms still at the helm, here is Simms complete body of work:

2-8-SD17(10:44) (Shotgun) C.Simms sacked at SD 28 for -11 yards (S.Phillips). FUMBLES (S.Phillips), RECOVERED by SD-S.Gregory at SD 28. S.Gregory to SD 31 for 3 yards (E.Royal).

1-10-DEN20(5:58) (Shotgun) C.Simms pass short left to J.Gaffney to DEN 27 for 7 yards (S.Cooper).

2-8-DEN22(4:56) C.Simms pass short right to P.Hillis to DEN 25 for 3 yards (A.Cromartie).

3-10-DEN20(3:49) (Shotgun) C.Simms sacked at DEN 13 for -7 yards (K.Burnett).

2-11-DEN19(10:17) (Shotgun) C.Simms pass incomplete short right to B.Marshall [s.Phillips].

3-11-DEN19(10:06) (Shotgun) C.Simms pass incomplete short right to E.Royal [E.Weddle].

at which point an injured Orton comes off the bench, sprained ankle and all. Den is down 13-0 at that point; Orton is unable to spark a win.

The point I'm trying to make is that having a poor back-up QB clearly caused the Broncos one win; possibly two (I'm not saying that they beat SD w/ Orton, but it would have been better not to get off to such a terrible start). McD knows this; he knows that Orton has never started 16 games in a season, he knows that two years in a row, Orton has been hampered with ankle injuries; and he knows that Den has missed playoffs by one game in the last two years. Back-up QB is clearly imperative to making the playoffs.

That being said, Simms definately wasn't the guy. Brandstater isn't the answer. You don't want to rely on a QB, even if you end up drafting one, as someone who can come in and win a game or two. There are some wilely veterans that McD could have brought in, but I'm sure that McD feels that having competition in camp for the starting position is a good thing, and let's be honest - Quinn was a bargain in terms of draft pick cost and salary. If Quinn can come in and beat out Orton outright, more power to him and the team is ultimately better. If Orton keeps his starting spot, fantastic - at least you brought in someone to push him.

I guess the takeaway from my ramblings is that the back-up QB position has proven to be very important. McD addressed that by bringing in someone who can push Orton for playing time, which will be better for the team overall. This is not necessarily a knock on Orton; it's McD simply trying to field the best possible 53 man roster he can.

Which brings us to Tebow - no idea how he factors in here; my guess is limited plays to introduce him to the NFL in 2010 and then who knows in 2011...open competition, probably.

 

[Donnybrook]

I think Quinn is the starter by week 6-8

Really? I understand that Orton is a Pro Bowler or anything, but Quinn just doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL. Orton, while a bellow average starter, is at least capable of starting. I'd be pretty surprised if Quinn started at any point but maybe I'm off base here.

Quinn looked bad in Cleveland.......true. His weapons were???????????I don't think anyone cold have looked great with what he was working with in Cle.

Quinn has talent, a good arm, good mobility and very good instincts.

IMO Quinn > Orton

BJ, I found your favorite video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke0WJFRGHv4...feature=related

 

[The Moz]

Tebow is a winner I would start the kid day 1 and tell him off the bat win your lose your guy -- this way all he does is improve they add more pieces like wr's in 2011 and Denver has a solid team -- bench Tebow and you have the same growing pains in 2011. Denver isn't winning anything with Quinn or Orton people

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Tebow is a winner I would start the kid day 1 and tell him off the bat win your lose your guy -- this way all he does is improve they add more pieces like wr's in 2011 and Denver has a solid team -- bench Tebow and you have the same growing pains in 2011. Denver isn't winning anything with Quinn or Orton people

Orton is 29-19 as a starter and he's been a winner every season he's been in the league. Maybe Orton is the one that should start day 1 and be told, "Win or lose, you're our guy".

 

[moleculo]

No. 8 has look of No. 1

By Lindsay H. Jones

The Denver Post

Posted: 05/18/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

There was one Broncos quarterback clearly acting the part of the alpha dog during the first day of the team's voluntary passing camp.

Sorry, Tim Tebow fans. It wasn't the rookie.

Kyle Orton, a 15-game starter for the Broncos last year who passed for 3,802 yards and 21 touchdowns, went through the nearly two-hour practice Monday morning looking like he has no plans to concede his role — not to Brady Quinn, not to Tom Brandstater and certainly not to Tebow, a first-round pick.

Orton was the first of the four quarterbacks to take repetitions in individual drills and in the 7-on-7 work against Denver's linebackers and defensive backs. He was followed in line by Quinn, then Brandstater and, finally, Tebow.

"Oh, I'm competing for the job, but I certainly feel like it is my job, and my teammates know that," Orton said. "I'm going to keep on trying to show that to them every single day."

Monday marked the first time all four QBs were together for the first time. They met in the quarterback meeting room, and it went about as you would expect. No hugs or hazing, but it was cordial.

There were introductions, then it was time for work. Tebow, as the rookie, offered to fetch his teammates' playbooks and carry their helmets.

"Tim goes about it the right way," Orton said. "He knows the deal."

But more important than the locker-room hierarchy is the performance in practice, even if it is only May, and that is where Orton believes he has an edge. He is still a relatively new Bronco — having arrived here April 2, 2009 — yet he is the most senior member of the group, with 48 starts in the NFL.

"It's night and day from the first time I stepped on the field in OTAs (organized team activities) last year," Orton said. "I'm just going to go out and focus on myself, and focus with the wide receivers on everything we have to get down.

"You're able to take that communication to a whole other level. I'm able to tell all 11 guys on the field what I want them to do at the line. That's a very calming feeling."

Still, the Broncos' offseason additions of Quinn, via a trade with Cleveland in March, and Tebow, with the No. 25 pick in the draft in April, have kept Orton on edge. Coach Josh McDaniels named Orton the Broncos' starter in June 2009. That hasn't changed, but McDaniels admitted Monday the Broncos' quarterback situation is different from last year — not just because of sheer numbers, but also because of the quality of the depth.

"I think it's a real competitive situation. They're all eager and also unselfish," McDaniels said. "They know that everybody is going to take reps, and that's what we try to do at every position.

"They have a lot to learn still, and I'm not disappointed in any of them today."

The trick is for McDaniels and his staff, which includes offensive coordinator Mike McCoy and new quarterbacks coach Ben McDaniels, to find a way to tutor all four quarterbacks and split the repetitions so each QB can improve, but also so the starter gets the most work with the first-team offense.

"There are not too many things that they're not getting an opportunity to rep out there, so that's the most important thing — that they're getting an opportunity to do that," McDaniels said.

For now that means a fairly even workload, though Tebow must wait his turn. For much of Monday's practice, Tebow stood several yards behind Orton or Quinn and mimicked what the other quarterback was doing, from taking the snap, to a five-step drop then the throwing motion.

"The competition, for me, is learning the playbook and just competing to be the best I can be and not necessarily worrying about anything else," said Tebow, a former Heisman Trophy winner. "I can only worry about what I can control every day."