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Me and the fish are tight after our little meet and greet earlier this week. What does have me
is the revised weather report I just read for up there. "In the 40s" around race time has been changed to "40" with some possible 30s in the morning. HTFUing with shrinkage, FUN.Nice. I had my 20 miler last weekend. What plan are you on again? I thought you were doing a HH Intermediate. Was I wrong?
If you'd like to vacation in one of the most beautiful areas not just in Michigan, but possibly this country, watch for this event next year. I'd need to clone myself to do all the events I'd like to do. Depending on how next year is going I really wonder if doing the 2-mile swim would be doable.
Gah - you're just multiplying the jealousy. As far as I know we have nothing around here like that.I saw an 8 mile harbor swim report the other day (San Fransisco?) that looked really fun, as well. 8 miles is a bloody long way, though.
All of my googling has me pretty discouraged, because it's pretty much unanimous that I need to take time off. Once warmed up the pain will almost always subside, so that's not a good gauge, and you'll end up doing more harm than good.So, I guess my first running injury is going to have me taking a break for a week or so, at least. I'll also be using some heat on it, as the achilles apparently has poor blood flow, so can be slow to heal. I plan to put some sort of heel lift in that shoe for this week, that reduces pull and stress on the tendon. Finally, a few people have recommended supplements of lysine, glycine, glucosamine, carnatine, and Vitamins C and E to aid healing, figure that can't hurt so will be heading to GNC later as well.Sure wish I knew how to swim. Don't own a bike. Hmmmm. Anyone have ideas of other aerobic cross training that I could do that won't stress the injury? Figure this is as good a time as any to try and get some sort of core and/or upper body work started as well.
HH Novice 2.
Great training run, sounds like a good confidence builder as well. Congrats, and enjoy the taper!20 miler in the books!!! Officially taper time!!!Treated it like race day from breakfast to running gear. It was unbelievably easy. Last few miles of my 19 miler 2 weeks ago were a little rough, but today was almost effortless. Just found my rhythym and kept going. Listenting to Saturday Night Live Celebrity Jeopardy on the iPod makes time goes fast too. Perfect weather in the low 50s with a little breeze. Kept me from sweating my ### off. Took me 3:47 for an 11:19 m/m pace - proud member of the FBG Turtle Running ClubAverage HR was 164 bpm and my 20th mile was 2 min 30sec faster than my 1st
...and I could have easily kept goingHappy training/racing this weekend.
I stepped on a sting ray once. My wife says I jumped about ten feet into the air. I think there may have been girly screaming as well.Free swims freak me out in so small part because of what you described - I have almost a phobia of running into or stepping on stuff I can't see below the surface. Don't even get me started on "VERY BIG fish..." If I decide to do Tri's in the future, this will be a big thing for me to overcome.I did the coolest thing today...I swam for almost 25 minutes and found that beyond the swimming area at the beach it is VERY weedy AND there are VERY BIG fish swimming around.
Nice work!!20 miler in the books!!! Officially taper time!!!Treated it like race day from breakfast to running gear. It was unbelievably easy. Last few miles of my 19 miler 2 weeks ago were a little rough, but today was almost effortless. Just found my rhythym and kept going. Listenting to Saturday Night Live Celebrity Jeopardy on the iPod makes time goes fast too. Perfect weather in the low 50s with a little breeze. Kept me from sweating my ### off. Took me 3:47 for an 11:19 m/m pace - proud member of the FBG Turtle Running Club
I'll do a report later today or more likely tomorrow. Key to the strong result was a Garmin Free 20:45 5K Trail Run at the end (and this sucker was hilly and technical). The dopes that didn't heed the race directors warning to off the sun glasses for the run paid dearly. There was lots of medical attention being doled out at the end (couple of wicked bike wrecks too). Gotta go get a nap in. Were off to a Euchere Party Night and without a nap I'll be significantly sloppy. I plan on being regular sloppy with a nap 
Huh, couldn't seem to edit the post above. Wanted to add this photo of what a swim course looks like at around 40 degress. The temp on the car read 39 degrees when I pulled in to the park.Quickie Tri Race Report. After sniffing the podium a few times this summer, I finally got to get on it with an AG 3rd, 10th Male OverallI'll do a report later today or more likely tomorrow. Key to the strong result was a Garmin Free 20:45 5K Trail Run at the end (and this sucker was hilly and technical). The dopes that didn't heed the race directors warning to off the sun glasses for the run paid dearly. There was lots of medical attention being doled out at the end (couple of wicked bike wrecks too). Gotta go get a nap in. Were off to a Euchere Party Night and without a nap I'll be significantly sloppy. I plan on being regular sloppy with a nap
Why the warning on the sunglasses - visibility? Congrats, BTW.Quickie Tri Race Report. After sniffing the podium a few times this summer, I finally got to get on it with an AG 3rd, 10th Male Overall
Why the warning on the sunglasses - visibility? Congrats, BTW.Quickie Tri Race Report. After sniffing the podium a few times this summer, I finally got to get on it with an AG 3rd, 10th Male Overall
Low bright sun coupled with the misty haze off the lake and add in a tree canopy meant for tough conditions to see in if you had on sunglasses. On the bike, I had to look over my glasses a bunch when looking in to the sun or I'd lose the road. There were way more skinned up knees and arms on women than men.
Would have given a race update sooner, but I was waiting for my legs to make it up that last mile. Finally gave up waiting, though -- hope they show up sometime tonight.Didn't quite get my overly ambitious goal -- finished at 22:21. Sure did learn a lot about racing, though. Especially, DON'T GET SO GEEKED UP ABOUT BEING IN A RACE THAT YOU START IT BY SPRINTING LIKE A TOTAL MANIAC. Also, don't run a race that finishes with an uphill mile.Did my last 2-mile pre-race run yesterday. Probably went a little too fast, but I really wanted to see if 22:00 (a 7:05 pace) is in the realm of possibility. Ended up maintaining that pace for 1.75 miles, and then shut it down. Feel like I have a chance, although the course set-up is a little scary -- gradually downhill for the 1st mile, then like running down a ski trail until 1.75 miles, and then starting at the 2.0 mark it's a real uphill grind for 3/4 mile.
Thanks for all the practical advice, and even more so for the encouragement. Just 7 weeks ago, my fast pace for a 3 mile run was 7:58 -- if I can do tomorrow's race at a 7:05 pace, I should be on track for 6-minute miles by Christmas.
Well, probably not. But it's nice to feel like I haven't hit a plateau yet.
Welcome to the club(s). The lose your mind out of the gate club and the who are all these fit people in my AG club. Congrats on a great race. It took some serious HTFUing to get that last mile done. 22-minutes is a goner on you next 5K.Would have given a race update sooner, but I was waiting for my legs to make it up that last mile. Finally gave up waiting, though -- hope they show up sometime tonight.Didn't quite get my overly ambitious goal -- finished at 22:21. Sure did learn a lot about racing, though. Especially, DON'T GET SO GEEKED UP ABOUT BEING IN A RACE THAT YOU START IT BY SPRINTING LIKE A TOTAL MANIAC. Also, don't run a race that finishes with an uphill mile.Did my last 2-mile pre-race run yesterday. Probably went a little too fast, but I really wanted to see if 22:00 (a 7:05 pace) is in the realm of possibility. Ended up maintaining that pace for 1.75 miles, and then shut it down. Feel like I have a chance, although the course set-up is a little scary -- gradually downhill for the 1st mile, then like running down a ski trail until 1.75 miles, and then starting at the 2.0 mark it's a real uphill grind for 3/4 mile.
Thanks for all the practical advice, and even more so for the encouragement. Just 7 weeks ago, my fast pace for a 3 mile run was 7:58 -- if I can do tomorrow's race at a 7:05 pace, I should be on track for 6-minute miles by Christmas.
Well, probably not. But it's nice to feel like I haven't hit a plateau yet.
First mile split: 6:37.
Second mile split: 7:00.
And then staggered home at a 7:56 pace for the last 1.1 miles.
Finished #40 out of 400+ and 5th in my age group. Would have been 3rd in my age group if I were a year younger. What's wrong with those 30-something whippersnappers?
Anyway, I had a great time. And even though my first mile time proved disastrous, it is actually pretty exciting to know I can run a mile that fast. Now I just have to work on building the stamina to maintain that speed. Time to start looking for my next race!
I'm jealous. Haven't gotten mine yet. Was it in the mail or through email? I think they do both.gruecd said:Got my confirmation ticket for Chicago. I'm bib # 589.
It's still three weeks away, but for anybody who's interested in tracking me on raceday, you can sign up here.
Easy 5 this morning, and tomorrow I'm doing the first 20 miles of the Fox Cities Marathon as a training run. Looking forward to seeing Keggers, who's volunteering as a course marshall.
2Young - Great job today. Live it up tonight--you deserve it!
Snail mail.I'm jealous. Haven't gotten mine yet. Was it in the mail or through email? I think they do both.gruecd said:Got my confirmation ticket for Chicago. I'm bib # 589.
It's still three weeks away, but for anybody who's interested in tracking me on raceday, you can sign up here.
Easy 5 this morning, and tomorrow I'm doing the first 20 miles of the Fox Cities Marathon as a training run. Looking forward to seeing Keggers, who's volunteering as a course marshall.
2Young - Great job today. Live it up tonight--you deserve it!
Awesome race. I gotta remember this for the 5k I'm doing in a few weeks.On my training front I hit my first 20 mile week, ever. Ran a total of 22.5 miles this week. Ran 4.5 yesterday at a leisurely 8:35 pace. Ran the same 4.5 today at exactly an 8min/mile pace. It was at a good tempo type pace. Felt good - the course is quite steep (400' of ascents) and the average climb is at 6% grade or so. Hoping this translates into a sub 23 minute 5k (on a flatter course).The_Man said:Would have given a race update sooner, but I was waiting for my legs to make it up that last mile. Finally gave up waiting, though -- hope they show up sometime tonight.
Didn't quite get my overly ambitious goal -- finished at 22:21. Sure did learn a lot about racing, though. Especially, DON'T GET SO GEEKED UP ABOUT BEING IN A RACE THAT YOU START IT BY SPRINTING LIKE A TOTAL MANIAC. Also, don't run a race that finishes with an uphill mile.
First mile split: 6:37.
Second mile split: 7:00.
And then staggered home at a 7:56 pace for the last 1.1 miles.
Finished #40 out of 400+ and 5th in my age group. Would have been 3rd in my age group if I were a year younger. What's wrong with those 30-something whippersnappers?
Anyway, I had a great time. And even though my first mile time proved disastrous, it is actually pretty exciting to know I can run a mile that fast. Now I just have to work on building the stamina to maintain that speed. Time to start looking for my next race!
Maybe 20% faster than a P3 filled with lead weights.Awesome race. I gotta remember this for the 5k I'm doing in a few weeks.On my training front I hit my first 20 mile week, ever. Ran a total of 22.5 miles this week. Ran 4.5 yesterday at a leisurely 8:35 pace. Ran the same 4.5 today at exactly an 8min/mile pace. It was at a good tempo type pace. Felt good - the course is quite steep (400' of ascents) and the average climb is at 6% grade or so. Hoping this translates into a sub 23 minute 5k (on a flatter course).The_Man said:Would have given a race update sooner, but I was waiting for my legs to make it up that last mile. Finally gave up waiting, though -- hope they show up sometime tonight.
Didn't quite get my overly ambitious goal -- finished at 22:21. Sure did learn a lot about racing, though. Especially, DON'T GET SO GEEKED UP ABOUT BEING IN A RACE THAT YOU START IT BY SPRINTING LIKE A TOTAL MANIAC. Also, don't run a race that finishes with an uphill mile.
First mile split: 6:37.
Second mile split: 7:00.
And then staggered home at a 7:56 pace for the last 1.1 miles.
Finished #40 out of 400+ and 5th in my age group. Would have been 3rd in my age group if I were a year younger. What's wrong with those 30-something whippersnappers?
Anyway, I had a great time. And even though my first mile time proved disastrous, it is actually pretty exciting to know I can run a mile that fast. Now I just have to work on building the stamina to maintain that speed. Time to start looking for my next race!
(On a completely different subject). My new dream bike. Tested at 20% faster than a P3. Whoosh.
Are those lead weights aero and where were they mounted?
(I was talking wind tunnel tests - we'll see if those claimed numbers hold up. Thread here.)
That's exactly why I bought these recently. They have photocromatic lenses that are pretty light and easy to see through in the shadows, but darken up within 15-30 seconds in bright sunlight. Perfect for trail running, when you're in and out of the canopy repeatedly. Although the conditions you describe might've been tough even with these on!Why the warning on the sunglasses - visibility? Congrats, BTW.Quickie Tri Race Report. After sniffing the podium a few times this summer, I finally got to get on it with an AG 3rd, 10th Male Overall
Low bright sun coupled with the misty haze off the lake and add in a tree canopy meant for tough conditions to see in if you had on sunglasses. On the bike, I had to look over my glasses a bunch when looking in to the sun or I'd lose the road. There were way more skinned up knees and arms on women than men.
My daughter asked me "if you are not too sore can we take the bike down to Belle Isle for a ride"? (Like there would ever be such a thing as too sore to miss the chance to go on a ride with her). We did a nice slow ride around the island in the middle of the Detroit River and saw a freighter so close we could almost touch it, a huge heron, model hydroplane races and watched stock vehicles and racing go-karts doing time trials on a closed course. Now I am home swearing at the TV as the Lions continue to suck.
Congrats to you both!I got my confirmation packet in the mail for the Twin Cities Marathon yesterday as well. I am getting pretty excited.Snail mail.I'm jealous. Haven't gotten mine yet. Was it in the mail or through email? I think they do both.Got my confirmation ticket for Chicago. I'm bib # 589.
It's still three weeks away, but for anybody who's interested in tracking me on raceday, you can sign up here.
Easy 5 this morning, and tomorrow I'm doing the first 20 miles of the Fox Cities Marathon as a training run. Looking forward to seeing Keggers, who's volunteering as a course marshall.
2Young - Great job today. Live it up tonight--you deserve it!
As of right now, I'm planning on being up there as a spectator.
Great training run, DP!! I wish I could say my 20 miler was "easy," let alone unbelievably so!! Very well done and clearly your training program has paid off. For my run, for the most part I treated it like a race day as well, up at 5:30am to be out the door at 6am. 2 packets of instant oatmeal and a cup of coffee for breakfast, packed my Camelback with 52oz of Accelerade and 3 Gus. Started my running playlist on my iPhone and away I went into the sunrise - mid-50s and of course humid. My first 15 miles were relatively solid: I averaged about 9:34 or so, a little faster than target but close overall. I let myself get too fast on miles 9-12 and even though I forced myself to slow down again I think that set me back for later in the run. Miles 16-18.5 were @ 10:13s, ave HR of 178 and climbing. I had to walk for a couple of minutes after that so I wouldn't, you know... die. But I surprised myself by picking it back up and running through to 20. Overall time: 3:16:31 (9:49s). I was dead tired after - no way I could have squeezed another 6 out of my quads so I know I have a ways to go yet. Still, for my first 20 miler in 5 years I am happy overall. After the run (and laying in my backyard for about 15 minutes) I took a hot shower then about 15 in an ice bath. My quads are still sore now (not that it should be a surprise) and my right achilles is stiff. It's actually been giving me some grief for about 10 days now. I've been heating it and making sure to start runs slowly until I warm up. Once I get going it's fine.20 miler in the books!!! Officially taper time!!!Treated it like race day from breakfast to running gear. It was unbelievably easy. Last few miles of my 19 miler 2 weeks ago were a little rough, but today was almost effortless. Just found my rhythym and kept going. Listenting to Saturday Night Live Celebrity Jeopardy on the iPod makes time goes fast too. Perfect weather in the low 50s with a little breeze. Kept me from sweating my ### off. Took me 3:47 for an 11:19 m/m pace - proud member of the FBG Turtle Running ClubAverage HR was 164 bpm and my 20th mile was 2 min 30sec faster than my 1st
I could tell it was a training run...gruecd was chatting it up with other runners as he ran by me. This was the first time I volunteered and here are some thoughts:1) Wearing a bright yellow vest really puts you in control. I had to block an intersection for runner safety and the drivers really respected what I had to do.I'm doing the first 20 miles of the Fox Cities Marathon as a training run. Looking forward to seeing Keggers, who's volunteering as a course marshall.
Having said that, there are some pretty lousy drivers out there! I was at the intersection for 2.5 hours and saw maybe 5 near accidents. Luckily none were related to the marathon...just bad driving. I probably don't have to say it, but I will....be careful and watch out for cars when running!!! 
. Even though I'm frustrated as hell, I plan on continuing to work out as hard as I can until the weather changes, in anticipation that when it does get cooler, I'll be able to add mileage FAST. As it is now, I'll be extremely lucky to get in one 16, one 18 and one 20 miler prior to attempting 31 (on a hilly challenging course). My next scheduled run is for next Sunday, and I will be in Fort Worth, where it is typically cooler. Fingers crossed that I get a break in the weather .Thanks for the tip. I'm planning on starting to incorporate a few hills into my workouts. Right now I'm still just running straight out my front door. My normal loop is a 3 miler with no hills within that distance. I do have a 5 miler I did a few weeks ago that incorporated some hills, although they aren't very big (probably about 0.2 of a mile).Hit a new milestone last week - my 5th week PCP (post-couch-potato). Did more than 20 miles for the week (21.7 to be precise). Did my 3 mile loop 4 days, a 3.7 another and the long run was 6 on Saturday. I think from here on in I'm going to keep it to 5 days a week. Weather is starting to break a bit with lows predicted in the low 70's instead of low 80's. Can't wait for the 50-60's, but I'll take what I can get.
Truly outstanding race!! Most interesting to me was running w/o the Garmin, especially since I'm now so fully dependent on mine.
I somewhat agree that running w/o a Garmin can be faster; as I experienced this be flipping forgetting mine at my last duathlon. I went 21:09 (6:49 pace) during the first 5k (fast for me); but I believe it really cost me in the bike and somewhat on the final 5k (only 22:09 = 7:09 pace). Had I had the Garmin, I would have most likely run the first right at 7:00 pace; and feel pretty confident that I'd have had more in my legs for the bike portion. A Garmin makes me a smarter (actually less stoopid) runner, not necessarily faster.Truly outstanding race!! Most interesting to me was running w/o the Garmin, especially since I'm now so fully dependent on mine.
My mom lives just outside Lexington so I know the hills down there are great. However, the drivers there scare the hell out of me so you will NEVER find me running on those roads!! Tri-man had a great suggestion about the Barrington area (right near my house). I need to do some research but that's going to be my best option for hill work I think.
Interesting - in both tris I have done (and in all my training) I pretty much just use it to look at data afterward. I never consult the thing during a race (I leave the HR monitor off during races anyway - it is annoying to run with). During a race the last thing I am thinking about is the computer. Mostly I am cursing 'cause I got chicked again.pigskinliquors said:I somewhat agree that running w/o a Garmin can be faster; as I experienced this be flipping forgetting mine at my last duathlon. I went 21:09 (6:49 pace) during the first 5k (fast for me); but I believe it really cost me in the bike and somewhat on the final 5k (only 22:09 = 7:09 pace). Had I had the Garmin, I would have most likely run the first right at 7:00 pace; and feel pretty confident that I'd have had more in my legs for the bike portion. A Garmin makes me a smarter (actually less stoopid) runner, not necessarily faster.wraith5 said:Truly outstanding race!! Most interesting to me was running w/o the Garmin, especially since I'm now so fully dependent on mine.
I like to have a look at how consistent my pacing is running and how my hill work is doing on the bike. Topofusion rocks for breaking down workouts into segments to see how well you are holding up.
I'm gonna have to dig to find it, but I have read a couple newer articles arguing that trying to replace all fluid lost (like this article says) is a bad idea and leads to over hydration during a race and cramping on the run portion of a tri.Besides, for me to replace all my fluids is impossible (I lose 4-5 lbs during a 45 minute pool swim, for cryin' out loud).pigskinliquors said:
What means these things?During a race the last thing I am thinking about is the computer. Mostly I am cursing 'cause I got chicked again.
I like to have a look at how consistent my pacing is running and how my hill work is doing on the bike. Topofusion rocks for breaking down workouts into segments to see how well you are holding up.
I 100% agree with that last statement! I think the Garmin is a great tool and it definitely makes me a better runner when I use it properly. For me, "properly" means watching my pace and HR, sticking to a realistic target until it's time to turn on the gas and not losing sight of what's actually going on around me (like, for instance, mile markers and Garmin splits not matching up because of the tangents I'm running...).pigskinliquors said:I somewhat agree that running w/o a Garmin can be faster; as I experienced this be flipping forgetting mine at my last duathlon. I went 21:09 (6:49 pace) during the first 5k (fast for me); but I believe it really cost me in the bike and somewhat on the final 5k (only 22:09 = 7:09 pace). Had I had the Garmin, I would have most likely run the first right at 7:00 pace; and feel pretty confident that I'd have had more in my legs for the bike portion. A Garmin makes me a smarter (actually less stoopid) runner, not necessarily faster.wraith5 said:Truly outstanding race!! Most interesting to me was running w/o the Garmin, especially since I'm now so fully dependent on mine.
I hear ya on the drivers. I can't run on just the road. I have to have a sidewalk to run on because I don't trust the drivers at all. Too many big pick up trucks with huge mirrors for my taste. I tried it, but nothing that I like doing.I agree also with this thread as a big motivational factor on things. It is nice to hear so many great stories and always pull me back to read more and think about the inspiring things many of you guys do during training and racing...I try to compose what I write out there. The only problem I have is when I go to write it, I usually forget what I had planned during the run.
Gruecd is the master of the ice-bath so maybe he can offer an article or 2 on the subject, but personally (thanks to gruecd) I dump ice into my tub, fill it enough to completely submerge my legs, get in & sit for about 15 minutes or so. It isn't all that bad after the initial shock of the water once you get used your balls pressing against your spine. I think after the initial 48 hours of a strain/injury you are typically supposed to use heat. On the achilles, where as was mentioned earlier there isn't great blood flow, I think it's especially important/helpful.jonmhend said:
