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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (15 Viewers)

parasaurolophus said:
Trailbreaker Half Marathon race report(short version)-

Came into the race not feeling so great. Have had some issues with my leg. Had a near slip and fall a few weeks ago and still havent recovered from the fred flinstone action. Didnt run for 7 straight days. Decided to play the race by ear.

1st mile was 8:55. 2nd mile was 8:58. 3rd mile was 8:48. Felt stiff, but felt like my breathing hadn't even increased at all. Figured I could stick out this pace. Pretty much stayed within a few seconds of it the rest of the race. 1:56:19 was my official time. Which for me is a PR by almost 2.5 minutes.

My cardiovascular fitness is obviously world's ahead of my strength level. Honestly dont think I was ever breathing out of my mouth the whole run. Was talking to my sister the whole time. Talking to some other people on the course, etc etc. According to my watch, HR was in the 138-145 range the whole way. But my legs were sure killing me. Hips are still sore. Left knee is sore, left calf is sore. Groin is killing me.

I guess my lesson learned is I need to focus on leg lifting exercises and speedwork. Felt like my legs were moving as fast as I could move them. Slight inclines felt like I was on the 60th minute of a stairclimber workout. Push off felt like I was leg pressing. Just completely dead legs.
Congrats on the PR. :thumbup:

Why do you think your legs were so far behind your cardio?
:popcorn: a few of us have this problem.
Yeah, you mentioned having that problem as well. I can understand not being able to have the turnover or stride length to speed up during a 5k but I can't really wrap my mind around having the same issue during a half marathon.
part of it just might be expectations. Aerobic fitness is good, now to add speed. Maybe too much MAF and slow running which helps aerobic but we need to keep speedwork as well.

Five years later and it still pisses me off...
:yes:

 
ran 3 miles with the dog yesterday. that's about as far as I've ever ran without stopping. my pace is averaging a little over 9:00/mile.

looks like I might be running a 5k later this month, my first race of any kind. trying to make sure I get out at least every other day for 3 miles. hopefully I can start running longer over time as I almost enjoy running now. not sure how far the dog will make it though. he was lagging behind the last mile and a half yesterday.
I suggest you work up to a slow 5-6 miler once a week. You'll be surprised how much faster your 5k pace improved by running some uncomfortably slow miles
I feel like I'm running a slow pace at 9:15/mile. not sure how much it matters but I'm 6'5 with long legs (obviously). I think I could walk a 12 minute mile. I'm showing 155 steps per minute with my Adidas SmartRun, assuming that's accurate. All I know is that it seems like I'm slow. Steady, but slow.

I guess I could slow down to 10 minute miles and give it a try. basically trying to run as slow as possible. I'll report back in a couple days.
As a general rule of thumb - If you were running with a friend, could you carry on a conversation without breaking stride or pausing to catch your breath? If NO, you're going too fast.

 
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It doesn't feel like anything is happening during those long, slow runs. But internally, you're steadily improving your aerobic engine and becoming a more efficient fuel-processing machine. You're developing more capillaries to deliver oxygen to the muscles; you're increasing the mitochondria in the muscles to process the fuel.

jomar, you're tall, like me (6'3"), so hopefully you can use that height to your advantage. Resist the urge to overstride (reaching too far out with the lead foot). But as you develop a good push-off, the natural length of the stride should help. Along the way, you might benefit from some short intervals at a track to get used to a quicker, faster stride and to know what that feels like. For example, you could run laps and quicken the stride and pace along the front stretch. As you get comfortable, you could run some repeat 200 or 400m with an equal amount of rest in between. Do you feel like you run 'light,' or is your stride a heavier one with the planted foot lingering on the ground?

 
jomar, you sound like you're a few weeks ahead of me, but not that far ahead. I have the same feelings of "slowness" that you do. I too am tall at 6 foot 5 inches. I didn't think I could slow down anymore without simply walking, but I did and it's helped. This week was suppose to be the first week I started running with no breaks, but my kids are on spring break and I have them so I can't get to the gym. I decided to take the week off rather than try to cram sessions in when I wasn't able to focus completely. Next week I'll begin my runs again. Just a few weeks ago, I wasn't running 30 seconds at a time...now I'm up to 20ish minutes at a time with 30 second rests (sometimes less) between segments. I still think lung capacity is my biggest obstacle. I run out of breath before anything else. I've never had to stop because of leg/muscle issues etc. It's always been because I lost my breath, but I do recover quicker now. I think the running slower has helped specifically with that part.

 
I was really ####### irritated after a laundry list of dumb #### that happened at work yesterday, so I did a run I haven't done in a while.

Run as hard and fast as I can until I can't take it anymore. Stop and walk until I catch my breath. Then do it again. And again. And again.

If you're going to do this I strongly recommend a route that begins uphill and ends downhill. You feel totally gassed at the end, but are able to get a little extra out because of the decline finish.

5 miles total, just under 40 minutes, and according to my app four separate periods of 2-5 minutes near 5:30 minute miles.

Thanks for the assist, Eddie Vedder. You screaming something about a rear view mirror on that final stretch really aided in the f this s mode so I forgot how much pain I was in.

I'm better now.

I think...

 
So, basically 10 days til the race. With all this newfangled heart rate data, what's a good plan for pacing on race day? It seems like with my race pace runs, I've been hitting 171ish, where I feel like I am definitely pushing it some.

I feel most comfortable probably in the 162-165 range. At this HR I feel like 13.1 should be no problem. My first thought is to come out at 162ish and see how I feel for awhile, and then push out to 171 or so as I get comfortable.

Or is it just better to come out at 171 and just go and pray? The HR data is telling me I can get there, but my brain is telling me I'm not sure if I can sustain that for 13.1. What do you guys normally do?

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I generally like to pick a goal, which is usually PR or better and start at that pace and hold it until I can't. Usually works out pretty well if you are realistic. :shrug:

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I wholeheartedly approve this technique.

Speaking of which my first century is this weekend. Thinking of a solo break at mile 15 or so. :hifive:

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I generally like to pick a goal, which is usually PR or better and start at that pace and hold it until I can't. Usually works out pretty well if you are realistic. :shrug:
Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. My PR is 1:49, so my plan is to start with the 1:50 pace group, hang with them for a couple of miles and see how I feel.

 
Ok, I'm gonna try running slow tomorrow. Think I'll head into another neighborhood though so my neighbors won't see me...

How far should I go the first time? Start with 3-4 miles?

 
Ok, I'm gonna try running slow tomorrow. Think I'll head into another neighborhood though so my neighbors won't see me...

How far should I go the first time? Start with 3-4 miles?
First run? Go slow and use walking breaks.

Maybe 1 minute jog, 1 minute walk.

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I generally like to pick a goal, which is usually PR or better and start at that pace and hold it until I can't. Usually works out pretty well if you are realistic. :shrug:
Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. My PR is 1:49, so my plan is to start with the 1:50 pace group, hang with them for a couple of miles and see how I feel.
Personally, I couldn't do this. I'd start dwelling on and stressing over those early lost seconds.
The HM strategy articles usually recommend starting slightly slower than goal and speeding up after the halfway point.

But do what works for you. Try a strategy. If it didn't work, use another next time.

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I generally like to pick a goal, which is usually PR or better and start at that pace and hold it until I can't. Usually works out pretty well if you are realistic. :shrug:
Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. My PR is 1:49, so my plan is to start with the 1:50 pace group, hang with them for a couple of miles and see how I feel.
Personally, I couldn't do this. I'd start dwelling on and stressing over those early lost seconds.
The HM strategy articles usually recommend starting slightly slower than goal and speeding up after the halfway point.

But do what works for you. Try a strategy. If it didn't work, use another next time.
That said, it always makes sense to bank some time in mile one when your hr is down if the course isn't packed.

 
Maybe someone has better insight on this than me, but at 5'10" and 215 lbs, I am not sure these long slow runs are very good for my knees, hips, and ankles.

I mean, I just did one today, and it's not like I am sore or anything. I just can't hep but think they are a bad idea for ME long term.

 
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I generally like to pick a goal, which is usually PR or better and start at that pace and hold it until I can't. Usually works out pretty well if you are realistic. :shrug:
Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. My PR is 1:49, so my plan is to start with the 1:50 pace group, hang with them for a couple of miles and see how I feel.
Personally, I couldn't do this. I'd start dwelling on and stressing over those early lost seconds.
The HM strategy articles usually recommend starting slightly slower than goal and speeding up after the halfway point.

But do what works for you. Try a strategy. If it didn't work, use another next time.
That said, it always makes sense to bank some time in mile one when your hr is down if the course isn't packed.
:goodposting: I 'Sand' the start with more confidence, knowing that my HR is low and I might as well push the pace to get it going. I don't like the 'use the first mile to warm up' logic. Chief, I like your idea of starting with a low 160s HR, knowing it will climb higher as you go along. But then again, I frequently run races while only looking at HR data.

ghostguy, I don't think the slow pace of a run is harmful ...I've never seen anything about that. It's basically the same technique, but with a slower rotation.

 
ghostguy, I don't think the slow pace of a run is harmful ...I've never seen anything about that. It's basically the same technique, but with a slower rotation.
I have actually read that running faster is less impact on your hip/knee joints.

Plus a slower run will inevitably be many more overall steps than a faster/shorter run.

Fat guy problems.

 
Ok, I'm gonna try running slow tomorrow. Think I'll head into another neighborhood though so my neighbors won't see me...

How far should I go the first time? Start with 3-4 miles?
First run? Go slow and use walking breaks. Maybe 1 minute jog, 1 minute walk.
No not his first run. First long slow run. He's training for a 5k and has been running all 5k's I thinkIf I'm right, I say bump up to 4.5/5 miles

 
ghostguy, I don't think the slow pace of a run is harmful ...I've never seen anything about that. It's basically the same technique, but with a slower rotation.
I have actually read that running faster is less impact on your hip/knee joints.

Plus a slower run will inevitably be many more overall steps than a faster/shorter run.

Fat guy problems.
Do your long slow runs on a trail or grass if you're worried about impact.

Would love to see reputable articles showing how fast runs have less impact. Unless you just mean a fast 3 mile ruin vs a slow 15 mile run.

 
ghostguy, I don't think the slow pace of a run is harmful ...I've never seen anything about that. It's basically the same technique, but with a slower rotation.
I have actually read that running faster is less impact on your hip/knee joints.

Plus a slower run will inevitably be many more overall steps than a faster/shorter run.

Fat guy problems.
Do your long slow runs on a trail or grass if you're worried about impact.

Would love to see reputable articles showing how fast runs have less impact. Unless you just mean a fast 3 mile ruin vs a slow 15 mile run.
I would like to see a reputable article on that also. I have no idea who published what I read. Probably total hogwash, who knows.

Yeah I would like to do my long runs (really all my runs) on trails or grass. Or even our local high school track which is pretty nice.

Still waiting for the weather to cooperate for the grass/trails.

 
Upper 60s in Boston today...finally some spring weather! Blowing out of work at 2 to meet a friend in Wellesley to do 13 on the course, really looking forward to this one. Going to try hard to hone in on a 9:00 minute pace and maybe push a little harder the last few if I'm feeling good. Then I'm going to drink several beers.

 
Well considering that my entire training plan has been a taper, this afternoon I'm gonna take advantage of the market holiday and do one last 20-miler. I'm sure it'll probably do more harm than good physically, and it'll be slow as hell, but I need the mental reassurance just to know I can do it. I've literally never approached a marathon in such a half-assed, run-by-the-seat-of-my-pants fashion, and I don't like it.

Tri-man, are you still doing your half tomorrow?

 
FUBAR said:
Juxtatarot said:
ChiefD said:
Hang 10 said:
Juxtatarot said:
Hang 10 said:
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I generally like to pick a goal, which is usually PR or better and start at that pace and hold it until I can't. Usually works out pretty well if you are realistic. :shrug:
Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. My PR is 1:49, so my plan is to start with the 1:50 pace group, hang with them for a couple of miles and see how I feel.
Personally, I couldn't do this. I'd start dwelling on and stressing over those early lost seconds.
The HM strategy articles usually recommend starting slightly slower than goal and speeding up after the halfway point.

But do what works for you. Try a strategy. If it didn't work, use another next time.
I didn't realize the experts were recommending to race that way. Interesting and certainly food for thought!

 
FUBAR said:
Juxtatarot said:
ChiefD said:
Hang 10 said:
Juxtatarot said:
Hang 10 said:
Chiefs, my advice would be to not pay attention to the heart monitor during race day and instead run by pace and feel. Don't over think it.
Or do what I do and stubbornly run slightly faster than goal pace and hope not to fall apart too much at the end.
I generally like to pick a goal, which is usually PR or better and start at that pace and hold it until I can't. Usually works out pretty well if you are realistic. :shrug:
Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. My PR is 1:49, so my plan is to start with the 1:50 pace group, hang with them for a couple of miles and see how I feel.
Personally, I couldn't do this. I'd start dwelling on and stressing over those early lost seconds.
The HM strategy articles usually recommend starting slightly slower than goal and speeding up after the halfway point.

But do what works for you. Try a strategy. If it didn't work, use another next time.
I didn't realize the experts were recommending to race that way. Interesting and certainly food for thought!
Pretty sure experts recommend a negative split for every race but generally it's easier said than done for most of us. I think the perfect race strategy is to run even splits for almost the entire race and then kick at the end.

 
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I've watched this video three times already this morning, just incredible what these guys can do on that terrain. Salomon gets their international trail running team together every spring somewhere in Europe to run together, test products, etc, and this week they've been in Mallorca. Some amazing pics and videos have come out of it as usual, but this one takes it for me:

Dakota Jones, Max King, Kilian Jornet crushing technical downhill

Not that it matters but those wondering who is who, Dakota is in the white shirt and visor, Max in the blue and the manpris, and Killian is in the white shirt no hat.

 
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I've watched this video three times already this morning, just incredible what these guys can do on that terrain. Salomon gets their international trail running team together every spring somewhere in Europe to run together, test products, etc, and this week they've been in Mallorca. Some amazing pics and videos have come out of it as usual, but this one takes it for me:

Dakota Jones, Max King, Kilian Jornet crushing technical downhill

Not that it matters bur those wondering who is who, Dakota is in the white shirt and visor, Max in the blue and the manpris, and Killian is in the white shirt no hat.
Going off their names, they were likely destined for this since birth.
 
Well considering that my entire training plan has been a taper, this afternoon I'm gonna take advantage of the market holiday and do one last 20-miler. I'm sure it'll probably do more harm than good physically, and it'll be slow as hell, but I need the mental reassurance just to know I can do it. I've literally never approached a marathon in such a half-assed, run-by-the-seat-of-my-pants fashion, and I don't like it.

Tri-man, are you still doing your half tomorrow?
Yup ..still planning to do the HM. I suppose an 8:00/mile pace is about the best I can hope for, given that my training has been equally craptastic, but I'll strap on the HRM and see how it goes. More than anything, I want to see how the ankle responds, though it seems to be OK once I'm warmed up. If the ankle is 'off,' we pass near the start area at the halfway point, so I could be smart and bail out. My 20.5 miler last weekend was my mental reassurance run, so this is more about getting back into race mode.

 
I've watched this video three times already this morning, just incredible what these guys can do on that terrain. Salomon gets their international trail running team together every spring somewhere in Europe to run together, test products, etc, and this week they've been in Mallorca. Some amazing pics and videos have come out of it as usual, but this one takes it for me:

Dakota Jones, Max King, Kilian Jornet crushing technical downhill

Not that it matters bur those wondering who is who, Dakota is in the white shirt and visor, Max in the blue and the manpris, and Killian is in the white shirt no hat.
I'm more impressed with the camera guys!

 
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I've watched this video three times already this morning, just incredible what these guys can do on that terrain. Salomon gets their international trail running team together every spring somewhere in Europe to run together, test products, etc, and this week they've been in Mallorca. Some amazing pics and videos have come out of it as usual, but this one takes it for me:

Dakota Jones, Max King, Kilian Jornet crushing technical downhill

Not that it matters bur those wondering who is who, Dakota is in the white shirt and visor, Max in the blue and the manpris, and Killian is in the white shirt no hat.
I'm more impressed with the camera guys!
One camera guy caught all of that - Greg Vollet, who manages the Salomon team and is a pretty solid (obviously to keep up) MUT runner himself.

 
ghostguy123 said:
tri-man 47 said:
ghostguy, I don't think the slow pace of a run is harmful ...I've never seen anything about that. It's basically the same technique, but with a slower rotation.
I have actually read that running faster is less impact on your hip/knee joints.

Plus a slower run will inevitably be many more overall steps than a faster/shorter run.

Fat guy problems.
same guy probably said cardio is bad for you or makes you fatter.

 
Annyong said:
FUBAR said:
jomar said:
Ok, I'm gonna try running slow tomorrow. Think I'll head into another neighborhood though so my neighbors won't see me...

How far should I go the first time? Start with 3-4 miles?
First run? Go slow and use walking breaks. Maybe 1 minute jog, 1 minute walk.
No not his first run. First long slow run. He's training for a 5k and has been running all 5k's I thinkIf I'm right, I say bump up to 4.5/5 miles
4.18 miles in 44:59. That's a 10:46 pace.

Felt pretty good all run. Felt slower but not so slow that it was aggravating. According to micoach, I took the same amount of steps per minute as previous runs so the strides just must have been shorter. The dog kept up too....

How often should I run slower? I think I liked it better than my quicker runs.

 
5k tomorrow. Not sure how this will go. I know I'm capable of one mile at ~6:35, but that was just goofing around. Feel like I'm not where I was in dec when I ran 5k at 20:20. I think I'm just gunning to not get beat by girls and otherwise just looking to relax and enjoy the run.

 
Annyong said:
FUBAR said:
jomar said:
Ok, I'm gonna try running slow tomorrow. Think I'll head into another neighborhood though so my neighbors won't see me...

How far should I go the first time? Start with 3-4 miles?
First run? Go slow and use walking breaks. Maybe 1 minute jog, 1 minute walk.
No not his first run. First long slow run. He's training for a 5k and has been running all 5k's I thinkIf I'm right, I say bump up to 4.5/5 miles
4.18 miles in 44:59. That's a 10:46 pace. Felt pretty good all run. Felt slower but not so slow that it was aggravating. According to micoach, I took the same amount of steps per minute as previous runs so the strides just must have been shorter. The dog kept up too....

How often should I run slower? I think I liked it better than my quicker runs.
Add a mile or 2 every week. Just one long run a week
 
Ok, I'm gonna try running slow tomorrow. Think I'll head into another neighborhood though so my neighbors won't see me...

How far should I go the first time? Start with 3-4 miles?
First run? Go slow and use walking breaks. Maybe 1 minute jog, 1 minute walk.
No not his first run. First long slow run. He's training for a 5k and has been running all 5k's I thinkIf I'm right, I say bump up to 4.5/5 miles
4.18 miles in 44:59. That's a 10:46 pace.

Felt pretty good all run. Felt slower but not so slow that it was aggravating. According to micoach, I took the same amount of steps per minute as previous runs so the strides just must have been shorter. The dog kept up too....

How often should I run slower? I think I liked it better than my quicker runs.
Out of the six days I run right now, 3-4 are slow runs.

 
With all the new runners joining the thread I thought this article was a good one. Running definitely gets easier, when I was first starting out 5 years ago the 7 miles a week was harder than than the marathon training I am doing now.

Good luck to everyone racing this weekend.

 
With all the new runners joining the thread I thought this article was a good one. Running definitely gets easier, when I was first starting out 5 years ago the 7 miles a week was harder than than the marathon training I am doing now.

Good luck to everyone racing this weekend.
Great article, and a nice reminder that all of us started that way. The first day I ever ran was in October 2012. 1.54 miles in 16.32 pace.

In one week from now, I will run 13.1 miles somewhere in the 8:30 pace range. And pbm is right, that first week was the hardest miles I have ever run, both physically and mentally.

Love reading about everyone just starting out, and there have been a lot in here lately. Really awesome to just get up and get started, and we are already seeing gains by a lot of guys. Really cool to see.

Good luck to the racers this weekend - can't wait to read the reports!

 
Ok, I'm gonna try running slow tomorrow. Think I'll head into another neighborhood though so my neighbors won't see me...

How far should I go the first time? Start with 3-4 miles?
First run? Go slow and use walking breaks. Maybe 1 minute jog, 1 minute walk.
No not his first run. First long slow run. He's training for a 5k and has been running all 5k's I thinkIf I'm right, I say bump up to 4.5/5 miles
4.18 miles in 44:59. That's a 10:46 pace. Felt pretty good all run. Felt slower but not so slow that it was aggravating. According to micoach, I took the same amount of steps per minute as previous runs so the strides just must have been shorter. The dog kept up too....

How often should I run slower? I think I liked it better than my quicker runs.
I run slow 90% of the time.
 
Egg Shell Shuffle 5K

I just did the 5K portion of this event. There is a half too. The race goes through a forest preserve which would usally be really nice, but still lots of gray in Chicago, so it was just OK. Kids had last minute softball practice, which left me solo for the event. oh well.

Finished at 20:50. 16th overall, 2nd in the AG and I let two females beat me sadly.

Splits were

6:25,

13:05 (6:30)

20:00 (6:55)

My time was worse than my December 5K but better than where I was in October and I went into this thinking I was closer to where I was in October, so that's good. Overall, I'm content with today's time and the way things unfolded.

next week I bump up to 45-49 AG. I think I would have had the same AG place even if the race was next week.

I have another 5K later this month. My training promises to be huge this month now that I'll be drinking water out of a Egg Shell Shuffle 5k water bottle. That's right - 2nd place major award!

 

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