beer 30
Footballguy
That's the beauty of long trail running and the agony. Sorry about the thumb & the falls, they go with the territory. Oh and congrat's on the medal mongering in the woods now, multidimensional medal mongering, nice!
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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (8 Viewers)
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Last year I had 100 - 120 miles of training on the road plus an 10 week studio class Jan - Mar. I haven't been on the bike since our ride last June. Heck, it hasn't moved off the hook in the garage since then.Didn't you do this last year? Glutton for punishment! I don't think I'll need a personal SAG. I think I can cut it down to 10 minutes of stops with regular stops.BassNBrew said:We'll see how you feel the night before. If the weather looks promising I would be glad to SAG and hand off bottles. It's that or ride 100 miles 30 pounds overweight on 0 training miles.I'd need 25 minutes somewhere. I'd regard that as pretty unlikely, even with a good day. I'd have to nail George's Gap and take a good bit more out of Snake. And barely stop. So unlikely - I'd have to be really on and need perfect weather.Seems like you power is up this year. How's your endurance relative to last year? Sub 6 in the equation?Make it up Snake with rubber side down. Same as last year.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
So last weekend I ran a 5K with my 9 year old. Since he plays a few sports including soccer, I figured it wasn't too much of a stretch to get up to a 5K. He also did the 1 mile kids run at my half marathon and came in second in the 9/10 age group (and he had just turned 9 the week before) with a 7:40 mile.
We got off to an ok start with me pacing a bit so he didn't start too fast. About a half to a mile in he was complaining about his stomach. I told him it was probably a side stitch and lets slow down a bit. Was still bothering him so we walked a bit with his hands over his head. Tried running again and he said it was still bothering him, walked some more. Tried off and on but couldn't really get him going again. At one point I was a little annoyed because I knew he could do better and mentioned we were getting passed by old ladies. He tried to gut it out but couldn't finish out without jog-walking most of the rest of the way, we finished around 38 minutes.
In the car on the way home, he was still complaining that his stomach was bothering him... and then he threw up. And then threw up three more times through the rest of the day. Poor kid ran a 5K with a stomach virus. Father of the Year here.
We got off to an ok start with me pacing a bit so he didn't start too fast. About a half to a mile in he was complaining about his stomach. I told him it was probably a side stitch and lets slow down a bit. Was still bothering him so we walked a bit with his hands over his head. Tried running again and he said it was still bothering him, walked some more. Tried off and on but couldn't really get him going again. At one point I was a little annoyed because I knew he could do better and mentioned we were getting passed by old ladies. He tried to gut it out but couldn't finish out without jog-walking most of the rest of the way, we finished around 38 minutes.
In the car on the way home, he was still complaining that his stomach was bothering him... and then he threw up. And then threw up three more times through the rest of the day. Poor kid ran a 5K with a stomach virus. Father of the Year here.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Damn, sounds rough. Was the terrain that technical, or just a matter of you not getting in much work on trails recently? I've fallen here and there, but never multiple times in a single run. Of course, you run much faster than I do.
In any case, congrats again on a great result!
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
If that were true, I'd be fast!
But the recent news about the Nike Oregon Project (which has nothing to do with the Oregon Ducks, other than some former Ducks like Galen Rupp being part of it) was really disturbing. Salazar has long been accused of pushing the limits of what is legal with his athletes, and you'd have to be naive to think that he wasn't crossing that line at times at best, and downright cheating at worst. There's been a lot of talk in ultrarunning recently about whether PEDs are part of the sport since nobody outside of some giant road ultras like Comrades has been caught - but that's really more about really lax testing procedures more than anything else. Again, one would have to be naive to think there aren't runners cheating at any level or distance.
Maybe that explains Tri's consistent medal mongering.......
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Apologies in advance for the constant stream of Western States posts likely to come from me over the next few weeks, but that race is what ignited my passion in this sport and is the single most important goal I have...so deal with it, it's Statesmas!
I know a couple of you listen to Ultrarunnerpodcast, but really cool that the latest episode as they ramp up Western States coverage features two locals that I consider friends and mentors, Erika and Brett. Brett runs the local running store that has become one of the real hubs for both elites and "regular" runners in MUT running, and he is a hell of a runner himself. Erika I've known since right after my first ultra in 2009 when she was my PT, and we've become good friends since and she paced me at my first 50 miler back in 2012. She's been first and 2nd female at 100 milers in the last two years, along with an 11th place at States two years ago, and if it's a hot year she's got a chance at breaking into that top 10.
On another note, the runner I connected with on FB that I'll be crewing and pacing turns out to be a dude that held a running world record fairly recently! He ran 100 marathons in 688 days a couple of years back before switching his focus to ultras, and he's now run over thirty 100 milers just in the past few years. In fact he ran one this weekend with a 26+ hour finish, three weeks before States, but it sounds like he came out of it feeling pretty good. I have a feeling I'll learn a lot that weekend.
I know a couple of you listen to Ultrarunnerpodcast, but really cool that the latest episode as they ramp up Western States coverage features two locals that I consider friends and mentors, Erika and Brett. Brett runs the local running store that has become one of the real hubs for both elites and "regular" runners in MUT running, and he is a hell of a runner himself. Erika I've known since right after my first ultra in 2009 when she was my PT, and we've become good friends since and she paced me at my first 50 miler back in 2012. She's been first and 2nd female at 100 milers in the last two years, along with an 11th place at States two years ago, and if it's a hot year she's got a chance at breaking into that top 10.
On another note, the runner I connected with on FB that I'll be crewing and pacing turns out to be a dude that held a running world record fairly recently! He ran 100 marathons in 688 days a couple of years back before switching his focus to ultras, and he's now run over thirty 100 milers just in the past few years. In fact he ran one this weekend with a 26+ hour finish, three weeks before States, but it sounds like he came out of it feeling pretty good. I have a feeling I'll learn a lot that weekend.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Turns out one of my colleagues is a world adventure racing champion from New Zealand. Finally saw what they do. What a wuss I am..
Ned
Footballguy
Lefties unite!Congrats!The good and the possible bad:
The good,, I took 1st place in the time-handicapped Ultra leg of our race (by 4 minutes). Now I have to figure out how to get the awesome award.
The bad, :( , I believe I broke or cracked the top bone in my right thumb (fortunately, I'm a lefty). I'll know for sure in a day or two.
I'm assuming the breaking of the thumb wasn't Ultra related?! WTF!
Finally, I didn't know you were a lefty too!
Ned
Footballguy
Tri - Pick up your feet!! Anxious to see your RR. Congrats again, ultramarathoner!
para - what marathon are you training for and when is it?
Juxt - Dang, I'm surprised to see you doing 20! Good work! I remember working in recovery runs on Monday's last year - it was quite the adjustment.
pbm - so awesome to see you pre-gaming it. I really think that helped me a lot last year.
Lehigh -
I'm sure just about every one of us here would've done the same thing.
Duck - Holy crap @ that dude's resume....
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A roller coaster week for me. I always seem to have these Jeckyll/Hyde weeks for a while before hitting my stride. Drives me crazy....
Mon: 10mi Recovery AM = 6 @ 9:01/132 PM = 4 @ 9:10/139. The PM heat is killing me.
Tue: 8/4 LT - 4LT miles @ 6:48/174. I faded at the end.
Wed: 10mi MLR @ 8:00/145. Felt so good.
Thu: 10mi Recovery AM = 6 @ 9:02/132 PM = 4 @ 9:10/142. The PM heat is killing me.
Fri: 7mi MLR - I was mentally checked out and tired, so I cut it short at 5mi @ 8:11/146.
Sat: 5mi Recovery @ 9:09/135
Sun: 17mi LR @ 8:27/148. 148SI crushed me. Once the sun broke through, I was cooked.
65mi for the week.
Anxious to see your RR. Congrats again, ultramarathoner!para - what marathon are you training for and when is it?
Juxt - Dang, I'm surprised to see you doing 20! Good work! I remember working in recovery runs on Monday's last year - it was quite the adjustment.
pbm - so awesome to see you pre-gaming it. I really think that helped me a lot last year.
Lehigh -
I'm sure just about every one of us here would've done the same thing.Duck - Holy crap @ that dude's resume....
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A roller coaster week for me. I always seem to have these Jeckyll/Hyde weeks for a while before hitting my stride. Drives me crazy....
Mon: 10mi Recovery AM = 6 @ 9:01/132 PM = 4 @ 9:10/139. The PM heat is killing me.
Tue: 8/4 LT - 4LT miles @ 6:48/174. I faded at the end.
Wed: 10mi MLR @ 8:00/145. Felt so good.
Thu: 10mi Recovery AM = 6 @ 9:02/132 PM = 4 @ 9:10/142. The PM heat is killing me.
Fri: 7mi MLR - I was mentally checked out and tired, so I cut it short at 5mi @ 8:11/146.
Sat: 5mi Recovery @ 9:09/135
Sun: 17mi LR @ 8:27/148. 148SI crushed me. Once the sun broke through, I was cooked.
65mi for the week.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Well, it was all single-track. And for 90%, we had to watch for roots and rocks, so the footing was never good. We had to keep our eyes focused throughout ...no chance at all to just cruise. It wasn't particularly hilly - just a lot of rollers and some very short, quick up/downs. That said, my lack of trail training didn't help. My big limitation was probably my hips (and, yes, my inability to pick up my feet!). Live and learn!
beer 30
Footballguy
I've often compared technical trail running to a drill most of us have seen football players do to promote knee's up, running through the tires. If you want to simulate technical trails run through a set of tires...5 or 10 miles at a time.
Sand
Footballguy
Wait, so Ensure is on the proscribed list now?If that were true, I'd be fast!
But the recent news about the Nike Oregon Project (which has nothing to do with the Oregon Ducks, other than some former Ducks like Galen Rupp being part of it) was really disturbing. Salazar has long been accused of pushing the limits of what is legal with his athletes, and you'd have to be naive to think that he wasn't crossing that line at times at best, and downright cheating at worst. There's been a lot of talk in ultrarunning recently about whether PEDs are part of the sport since nobody outside of some giant road ultras like Comrades has been caught - but that's really more about really lax testing procedures more than anything else. Again, one would have to be naive to think there aren't runners cheating at any level or distance.
Maybe that explains Tri's consistent medal mongering.......
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Damn, Ned! 9 workouts in 7 days! 
Ned
Footballguy
I've tried hard to not whine about it, but frigggggg this sucks!!!!!! Just did 6 myself in 153SI. I shouldn't be completely drenched after a recovery run. :grueshorts:Nice work, Tri-man! Welcome to the ultra club.
Who else is enjoying this weather?? Ran 6 miles at 6AM and the suck index was already 149!
FUBAR
Footballguy
YepNice work, Tri-man! Welcome to the ultra club.
Who else is enjoying this weather?? Ran 6 miles at 6AM and the suck index was already 149!
thought I'd get a reprieve this morning, we're in charlottesville for the week and I decided to hit the trail. Don't know the SI but it was higher than I expected.
Decided to hit the trail, my favorite place to run and haven't been here in 4 years. Completely underestimated the foliage (I'd only run here September to May before). Too many trees hanging low over the trail to really get going. Ended up doing 25 minutes on the trail, then took the road back for 20 minutes.
I'll try another section tomorrow.
beer 30
Footballguy
Getting fat seems to be the activity of choice right now. Love you guys and this thread, it's meant a lot to me over the last few years. With all you guys jumping into the ultra pool I have to chime in. Keep up with Ducks annual Western Statespolooza and you'll really get a jones to hit the trails. Making me giddy just thinking about it!beer - how ya been? I must say, I was thinking about you yesterday - I'm rather impressed you're here supporting everyone.
My filler activity right now is helping to build a house for a family in need. It's a great story I won't bore y'all with but it's filled a much needed void for now. Been lifting & riding the stationary bike a little but nothing serious yet. Keep rocking & racing boys, suck season is in full swing, love to here the suffer reports as I sit in a cool climate controlled gym
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I was training (if you can call it that) for the HFM marathon in manitowoc. I ran it sunday. It was brutal. I am banged up and should have had a DNS, but I am a moron.Tri - Pick up your feet!!
para - what marathon are you training for and when is it?
Juxt - Dang, I'm surprised to see you doing 20! Good work! I remember working in recovery runs on Monday's last year - it was quite the adjustment.
pbm - so awesome to see you pre-gaming it. I really think that helped me a lot last year.
Lehigh -
Duck - Holy crap @ that dude's resume....
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A roller coaster week for me. I always seem to have these Jeckyll/Hyde weeks for a while before hitting my stride. Drives me crazy....
Mon: 10mi Recovery AM = 6 @ 9:01/132 PM = 4 @ 9:10/139. The PM heat is killing me.
Tue: 8/4 LT - 4LT miles @ 6:48/174. I faded at the end.
Wed: 10mi MLR @ 8:00/145. Felt so good.
Thu: 10mi Recovery AM = 6 @ 9:02/132 PM = 4 @ 9:10/142. The PM heat is killing me.
Fri: 7mi MLR - I was mentally checked out and tired, so I cut it short at 5mi @ 8:11/146.
Sat: 5mi Recovery @ 9:09/135
Sun: 17mi LR @ 8:27/148. 148SI crushed me. Once the sun broke through, I was cooked.
65mi for the week.
Consider this my race report
Weather- humid. Rained the first half, although mostly a mist, but enough that I was soaked head to toe pretty early on. Then the sun came out and it felt pretty brutal, although it was only a high of about 70.
Course- very flat. very well laid out, volunteers at every possible point of confusion.
talent- literally not a single hot girl running in this race. One medical volunteer on a bike was very cute.
My run- Terrible. Was not able to unload any goods before the race just like last year. Except last year it was only a minor invonvenience for me. Took a regular ole dump at mile 18 and went about my day. This year, my stomach hurt all race. Had to stop several times. Made me not drink as much as I should and I barely ate anything. For me during the long runs I find eating real food helps me a ton. I make my own energy bars and they have been perfect. For marathons I usually eat four squares. I couldn't even finish one without feeling I was going to puke. I usually go through about a bladder and a half of water. Didnt even finish one.
Heart rate was all over the map so I think my sensor crapped out because of the rain.
Like I said, I shouldnt have even started this race since I have been banged up and trying to recover from hip and groin issues. Once I started it, I shouldnt have finished it. Once I finished it, I wish I didnt have to spend 5 hours dispensing liquid from my rear suffering terrible leg cramps every time I sat down. And once all of that was over with I wish I wouldnt have spent the next 12 hours in a freezing cold/sweating state trying to force pedialyte(which is awful) down my throat so I could properly rehydrate and actually use my hands without having them lock into cramped death grip mode.
TLDR: #### happens. It was a bad sunday. Time to pick the next race and move on.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Finally getting back on the 5K horse this weekend, and eyeing one or two taking place in October. Longer term, this has been one of my best fitness years ever (dipping from an admittedly shallow pool there). I started off around 240 at the beginning of the year and now I'm hovering a few pounds above 200.
Ned
Footballguy
Duck - mind dropping some knowledge on hydration? With the added mileage I'm stuck doing in this heat, I'm finding that just drinking water isn't cutting it. I'm not really interested in drinking sugar bombs like Gatorade and the like, but not sure what products to try out (HEED, nuun, etc...).
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Back to this idea about a group of us running a half marathon... I'd really like to put one on my calendar for August. pmb mentioned Columbus. What about the Columbus Half Marathon (and 10K/5K) on August 9?
Hang 10
Footballguy
Everyone come to Virginia Beach labor day weekend. We'll all run the rock n roll half marathon with a guaranteed suck index of 160.
pbm107
Footballguy
Juxt, Aug 9th wouldn't work for me I am on vacation that week. It seems like everyone is locked into their schedules for the fall races.
Ned, I don't know if you have read Waterlogged. I am a big fan of Noakes.
This time of year any run over 6 miles I try to get out before 6 AM. I don't carry any liquids with me when I run. For runs from 10-14 miles I usually stop once at a water fountain. On runs longer run I may stop 2-3 times.
Ned, I don't know if you have read Waterlogged. I am a big fan of Noakes.
This time of year any run over 6 miles I try to get out before 6 AM. I don't carry any liquids with me when I run. For runs from 10-14 miles I usually stop once at a water fountain. On runs longer run I may stop 2-3 times.
Ned
Footballguy
Thanks - I'll check this out. I usually do the bulk of my runs before the sun comes up, but I'm going to be logging more miles than I have in the past. It's a fine balance between getting enough rest/sleep and beating the heat.
Juxt - Put me down as a maybe for the Columbus HM. Need to work out the logistics with the boss before I commit to another cornhole race!
MAC_32
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
:cough:buyabike:cough:Getting fat seems to be the activity of choice right now. Love you guys and this thread, it's meant a lot to me over the last few years. With all you guys jumping into the ultra pool I have to chime in. Keep up with Ducks annual Western Statespolooza and you'll really get a jones to hit the trails. Making me giddy just thinking about it!beer - how ya been? I must say, I was thinking about you yesterday - I'm rather impressed you're here supporting everyone.
My filler activity right now is helping to build a house for a family in need. It's a great story I won't bore y'all with but it's filled a much needed void for now. Been lifting & riding the stationary bike a little but nothing serious yet. Keep rocking & racing boys, suck season is in full swing, love to here the suffer reports as I sit in a cool climate controlled gym
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Well, at least something did. Too bad about the tough day. It's so hard to sneak through a marathon ...so little margin of error as the race exposes any weak links.
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Juxt, I can't make that August date ...I'm presenting at a conference that day. Sorry! BTW, I am targeting the Naperville Trail HM again.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I don't think there is anything I could have done differently other than not do it at all, which is what I should have done. I ate the same things leading up to it that I always eat. Cut off beer the same day I always do. I packed the same stuff in my hydration pack that I always do, even wore clothes I had worn previously for a marathon.SFBayDuck said:Yup, rough day out there for our boy. Anything you learned or would do differently next time, other than take a dump?Ned said:Jesus para, that sounds miserable.
I haven't run anywhere near as many of these things as others in this thread, but feel I have my routine down pretty well. This was my 4th marathon and I have also run a 50 miler. Just a bad day with some bad luck after being a little undertrained due to some nagging injuries.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Ned, I was going to reference Waterlogged as well. Here are two posts by Joe Uhan over at irunfar from 2012 when the book came out that has some good insight into it. Part 1, and Part 2 (includes interview with Noakes). But his premise is that we simply need to drink water to thirst and we don't need to supplement with electrolytes as we have plenty extra on board in "storage" that the body can utilize to keep blood levels at appropriate levels - assuming we don't overdrink water.
Now the second part of that statement is obviously a bit controversial, as it's pretty accepted in the endurance community that electrolyte supplementation is beneficial. While the role of electrolytes in cramping during running has been largely debunked, people still seem to feel better when they do utilize them, and even Noakes says it shouldn't hurt you.
I don't deal with the heat most of you guys have to on a regular basis, but when I do I also find that plain water, after an hour or two, just doesn't go down very well and I can get a sloshy stomach. On a pretty warm run a couple of weeks back I had just water in my pack, and at the top of the 4 mile hill I was climbing I stopped to dump the one s-cap I had on me into the pack. It helps the "taste", but I think the more important role of electrolytes (and even better with a little glucose and sucrose) mixed with water is how the makeup of the drink affects the absorption of the fluid. Here's a great read on the topic, and here's a podcast interview with the Osmo founder.
So if you buy what that link is saying and want to avoid extra calories when you don't need to be fueling, I'd try their brand (Osmo) or Skratch Labs. They both have the same idea (in fact the Osmo founder started with the Skratch people) in that they make a mix that maximizes the absorption of fluid.
Neither of those have high calorie content, as they recommend getting fuel from gels, bars, etc. If you do want to combine the two, which I often do, then I'd suggest something like Tailwind as it has both the electrolytes and a fueling-level amount of carbs included.
I also do keep some Nuun tablets and Vega Sport electrolyte mix around, and use on occasion during running but more often before or after.
Lots of great info pbm and Duck. Going to check some of that out.
I'll throw a vote in for Tailwind. Have had nothing but great luck with it, and it's extremely benign as far as taste goes. Used that and Huma gel almost exclusively for 12 hours on a 50 in the fall and my stomach never turned on me. Highly recommend Tailwind. My .02.
I'll throw a vote in for Tailwind. Have had nothing but great luck with it, and it's extremely benign as far as taste goes. Used that and Huma gel almost exclusively for 12 hours on a 50 in the fall and my stomach never turned on me. Highly recommend Tailwind. My .02.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Has anyone here ever dealt with gout? I woke up around 3 AM this morning with terrible pain in my foot and unable to wiggle my big toe. I was up the rest of the morning and made a doctor's appointment first thing. He did the typical checks and said that the pain locations and severity of pain indicate gout. I had no redness or visible swelling, though. He was still convinced that it was gout, but that we caught it early enough that the swelling had not yet set in. He ordered blood tests to confirm, but I have not yet heard back. He gave me a prescription anti-inflammatory. Hesitated to give me a medication specifically for gout. He said that one side effect is severe diarrhea which is often worse than the pain in your foot. We agreed to try the anti-inflammatory first, rest it as much as possible, elevate it and ice it, and drink an extra quart of water every day.. I'm also to stay off beer until I can bend my toe without pain (I asked if he could just amputate the toe instead. He declined.)
I've never had gout before and don't know much about it. The pain is pretty dull and just present most of the time, although ever few hours it flares up into a shooting pain that can make me sick to my stomach for a moment. My wife and I have a 5K Saturday that we're running together and have both been really looking forward to. I asked the doctor and he said that as long as I felt physically comfortable running it, I can't do any more damage.
Anyone out there have any experience? Any thoughts on my odds of running on Saturday? I'm optimistic, but the back of my brain is trying to tell me not to get too excited.
I've never had gout before and don't know much about it. The pain is pretty dull and just present most of the time, although ever few hours it flares up into a shooting pain that can make me sick to my stomach for a moment. My wife and I have a 5K Saturday that we're running together and have both been really looking forward to. I asked the doctor and he said that as long as I felt physically comfortable running it, I can't do any more damage.
Anyone out there have any experience? Any thoughts on my odds of running on Saturday? I'm optimistic, but the back of my brain is trying to tell me not to get too excited.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
sorry gb.
if doc says ok for the race- sounds like you're doing the right thing until then- rest, anti-inflamms, ice, etc. but I have no experience with it, so I'm just trusting your doc. and didn't/doesn't shuke have gout? pm'ing seemed like actual real not schtick schticky advise.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Really? Hmm...maybe I will drop him a line. He seems like the kinda guy who likes random gout questions.
beer 30
Footballguy
I had gout years ago. Felt like I broke my foot, just an incredibly intense pain, could barely walk. Doc gave me some meds, told me to lay off the red meat & beer and it would clear up in a week. It did exactly that and have been fine ever since. Take the meds, do hat they tell you and figure out what caused it. It's typically due to your diet but if that isn't it there are some folks who are just predisposed to getting gout. 9 times out of 10 it has something to do with your diet and is completely manageable.
Ned, another vote for Tailwind. Everyone around here uses it.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Thank you for the tips. I agree with the pain assessment. Until I really thought about it and realized that I hadn't done anything to have injured myself, I would have sworn I fractured something.
Red meat and beer are two of my vices. Honestly, I'm surprised it took the gout this long.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Decided to go for a 2nd six mile run tonight, so 12 today. Hard to stay in zone 2 on the trail but I love it.
http://www.realcentralva.com/2008/08/22/charlottesvilles-rivanna-trail/
http://www.realcentralva.com/2008/08/22/charlottesvilles-rivanna-trail/
tri-man 47
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Swam 1300 yards.
4 x 250
300 cooldown
Trying to find the motivation to do weights while I watch Women's WC and NBA Finals.
4 x 250
300 cooldown
Trying to find the motivation to do weights while I watch Women's WC and NBA Finals.
beer 30
Footballguy
One thing the doc will probably tell you, once you get it, your chances of getting it again go up. Used to be called the rich mans disease because back in the day they were the only ones who could afford to eat red meat & seafood. You'll be good to go in about 7 days
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Thanks for sharing those links. I'm glad I read those. I recall you writing about "drinking to thirst" before but it's nice to read more about it. Some of his recommendations are interesting:
400 - 800 ml of fluid per hour (13 to 27 oz) doesn't seem like very much. In the summer, I've certainly drank on the high end (or over) of the range and I'm a lighter runner. I've occasionally gotten goosebumps on long runs in the heat and/or on extended higher intensity runs. The goosebumps have been a sign that I'll have difficulty keeping pace soon. I've read this was a sign of dehydration but after reading your linked articles I wonder if it's just due to my core temperature rising due to effort regardless of hydration.
One thing that is amazing to me about EAH is reports of runners gaining weight during events. Although I'm sure it's true, I have trouble wrapping my head around that. I've drank 64 oz. of Gatorade on summer 20 mile runs and have still been down three or four pounds at the end.
Conversely, 60 grams of glucose seems like a lot. In gel form, that's about 2 per hour, right?
So in summary, I guess I need to try out drinking less water and eating more gels.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Went for about an hour long bike ride tonight. Felt good to get the legs moving.
