Randy Moss and Random Shots (2 Viewers)

[chet]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

 

[Sabertooth]

I was glad. Most of my league is on this sight and I picked up Moss for the same price as guys like Donald Driver, Lavarenues Coles, and Hines Ward.

 

[David Yudkin]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

I've been pimping Moss much like I did back in the day with Dillon. While I don't believe I ranked him in the Top 10, I have been suggesting that him being a Top 10 WR this year was entirely possible. IIRC, the WR30 stuff was for the projections and that was basically but together by a single person, not the entire staff. Not all the staff were down on him. Clearly the projections, rankings, or any individual can miss on any particular player, so bear that in mind before people start pointing fingers at the guys some people may have missed on.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think its still WAY too early to be calling people out. Lets wait and see where Moss is at after week 6. When he was with Oakland his first year he busted out with a huge first game.......didn't finish the Season all that great.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Yeah, just because Joe believes something means that everyone on staff has to be lock-step with him. He is a dictator and we are all just his drones.

Not.

The way Footballguys.com is structured is that the various staffers involved in the expert ranking polls are encouraged to do our own thinking and analysis - that's why we offer so many different ways to sort through the rankings and the ability include/exclude various people if you think they are way off on QBs, or RBs, or whatever. That's why we. collectively, wrote 99 faceoffs with high side and low side analysis of the top offensive skill position players during preseason - including a faceoff on Randy Moss. Then we had the spotlights, incorporating message board opinions. And the IDP faceoffs. And tons of strategy articles. And so forth.

It is the variety and depth of opinion that we provide that allows people to come to their own conclusions about various players.

Don't try and run down Joe because he allows his staff to do their own thinking.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

I think its still WAY too early to be calling people out. Lets wait and see where Moss is at after week 6. When he was with Oakland his first year he busted out with a huge first game.......didn't finish the Season all that great.

Another case of people overreacting. It was one game against a BAD Jets D. I doubt Moss finds the endzone in week two, much less goes over 100 yards. The Bolts D won't give Brady all day to throw like the Jets did. Let's remember Moss is not getting any younger and if you think he's finishing the season healthy, you are seriously mistaken.

 

[chet]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

I've been pimping Moss much like I did back in the day with Dillon. While I don't believe I ranked him in the Top 10, I have been suggesting that him being a Top 10 WR this year was entirely possible. IIRC, the WR30 stuff was for the projections and that was basically but together by a single person, not the entire staff. Not all the staff were down on him. Clearly the projections, rankings, or any individual can miss on any particular player, so bear that in mind before people start pointing fingers at the guys some people may have missed on.

DD is pimped as the flagship product here (at least preseason) and for it to not reflect the best ideas of the owner doesn't smell right especially when the owner is bragging about having been so right on the call.

 

[{Syrus}]

The way Footballguys.com is structured is...- that's why we offer so many different ways to sort through the rankings and the ability include/exclude various people if you think they are way off on QBs, or RBs, or whatever.

So basically, the staffers cover every base, make every prediction humanly possible, so that when something happens they can claim they predicted it would happen. Even Nostradamus is right every now and then. There are no experts in football, staffers are nothing more than people who put their often misinformed opinions in writing. Try watching some real fooball every now and then guys and quit pouring over stat sheets.

 

[ImTheScientist]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

I've been pimping Moss much like I did back in the day with Dillon. While I don't believe I ranked him in the Top 10, I have been suggesting that him being a Top 10 WR this year was entirely possible. IIRC, the WR30 stuff was for the projections and that was basically but together by a single person, not the entire staff. Not all the staff were down on him. Clearly the projections, rankings, or any individual can miss on any particular player, so bear that in mind before people start pointing fingers at the guys some people may have missed on.

DD is pimped as the flagship product here (at least preseason) and for it to not reflect the best ideas of the owner doesn't smell right especially when the owner is bragging about having been so right on the call.

Do you know how the DD works? You can/should adjust it to you own personal rankings. Unless someone can see the future it is impossible to be right on everything. There is a reason Dodds is Dodds and you are you (not and expert). Did you make your own set of projections? If so may I see them. When people call someone out after 1 week of football it says something about their level of FF experience. This does not reflect very well on you.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The way Footballguys.com is structured is...- that's why we offer so many different ways to sort through the rankings and the ability include/exclude various people if you think they are way off on QBs, or RBs, or whatever.

So basically, the staffers cover every base, make every prediction humanly possible, so that when something happens they can claim they predicted it would happen. Even Nostradamus is right every now and then. There are no experts in football, staffers are nothing more than people who put their often misinformed opinions in writing. Try watching some real fooball every now and then guys and quit pouring over stat sheets.

Seeing that they probably put more work into this than you........they probably are more of an expert than you. You sound bitter....did you use a cheatsheet at your draft?

 

[chet]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

I've been pimping Moss much like I did back in the day with Dillon. While I don't believe I ranked him in the Top 10, I have been suggesting that him being a Top 10 WR this year was entirely possible. IIRC, the WR30 stuff was for the projections and that was basically but together by a single person, not the entire staff. Not all the staff were down on him. Clearly the projections, rankings, or any individual can miss on any particular player, so bear that in mind before people start pointing fingers at the guys some people may have missed on.

DD is pimped as the flagship product here (at least preseason) and for it to not reflect the best ideas of the owner doesn't smell right especially when the owner is bragging about having been so right on the call.

Do you know how the DD works? You can/should adjust it to you own personal rankings. Unless someone can see the future it is impossible to be right on everything. There is a reason Dodds is Dodds and you are you (not and expert). Did you make your own set of projections? If so may I see them. When people call someone out after 1 week of football it says something about their level of FF experience. This does not reflect very well on you.

WTF are you?

 

[TheFanatic]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

I've been pimping Moss much like I did back in the day with Dillon. While I don't believe I ranked him in the Top 10, I have been suggesting that him being a Top 10 WR this year was entirely possible. IIRC, the WR30 stuff was for the projections and that was basically but together by a single person, not the entire staff. Not all the staff were down on him. Clearly the projections, rankings, or any individual can miss on any particular player, so bear that in mind before people start pointing fingers at the guys some people may have missed on.

DD is pimped as the flagship product here (at least preseason) and for it to not reflect the best ideas of the owner doesn't smell right especially when the owner is bragging about having been so right on the call.

Chet, the site is not run by a single person. It can't be run by a single person. In fact the give and take between the staff and the posters is what makes this site so great. But how could I expect a guy who thinks an AMG trim package is the same as the hand built AMG motor to see something so obvious....

 

[corpcow]

Boy, ad hominem attacks are just so much fun.

 

[Lord Lucan]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

Bizarre post.Firstly, note the word "I" is the common theme in Joe's Random Shots quoted above, not "FBG". Anyone who regularly reads the email updates knows Joe has said all along he thinks Moss will work out ok in NE. It was his view, not a corporate one.2nd, the "message" was aimed at the readers of Joe's email updates etc, not the staff. They can think for themselves.3rd, the owner of the company did manage to make sure his conviction got through to his customers. Regular readers all knew Joe's thoughts about Moss. If you think he should have converted all the staff to being like-minded about every player, then I suspect you want something different from FBG to what most members do.

 

[ImTheScientist]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

I've been pimping Moss much like I did back in the day with Dillon. While I don't believe I ranked him in the Top 10, I have been suggesting that him being a Top 10 WR this year was entirely possible. IIRC, the WR30 stuff was for the projections and that was basically but together by a single person, not the entire staff. Not all the staff were down on him. Clearly the projections, rankings, or any individual can miss on any particular player, so bear that in mind before people start pointing fingers at the guys some people may have missed on.

DD is pimped as the flagship product here (at least preseason) and for it to not reflect the best ideas of the owner doesn't smell right especially when the owner is bragging about having been so right on the call.

Do you know how the DD works? You can/should adjust it to you own personal rankings. Unless someone can see the future it is impossible to be right on everything. There is a reason Dodds is Dodds and you are you (not and expert). Did you make your own set of projections? If so may I see them. When people call someone out after 1 week of football it says something about their level of FF experience. This does not reflect very well on you.

WTF are you?

Thought so. No projections from you and just a sophmoric response ... figures.

 

[chet]

Let me again state my beef:

FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with this

Randy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.

After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue--his flagship product didn't reflect this opinion and I have to read about how positive Joe was on Randy but apparantly didn't bother to make sure it was communicated to paying customers.

This is meant as constructive criticism for Joe.

 

[chet]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

I've been pimping Moss much like I did back in the day with Dillon. While I don't believe I ranked him in the Top 10, I have been suggesting that him being a Top 10 WR this year was entirely possible. IIRC, the WR30 stuff was for the projections and that was basically but together by a single person, not the entire staff. Not all the staff were down on him. Clearly the projections, rankings, or any individual can miss on any particular player, so bear that in mind before people start pointing fingers at the guys some people may have missed on.

DD is pimped as the flagship product here (at least preseason) and for it to not reflect the best ideas of the owner doesn't smell right especially when the owner is bragging about having been so right on the call.

Do you know how the DD works? You can/should adjust it to you own personal rankings. Unless someone can see the future it is impossible to be right on everything. There is a reason Dodds is Dodds and you are you (not and expert). Did you make your own set of projections? If so may I see them. When people call someone out after 1 week of football it says something about their level of FF experience. This does not reflect very well on you.

WTF are you?

Thought so. No projections from you and just a sophmoric response ... figures.

Is this an alias? I don't spend much/any time in the Shark Pool but someone please tell me this is schtick.

 

[David Yudkin]

I doubt Moss finds the endzone in week two, much less goes over 100 yards.

I was curious to see how WR fared last year against the Bolts. In 17 games, only 4 WR cracked the 100-yard receiving barrier: IBruce (105), ABoldin (112), the Pats recently signed JGaffney (103), and a monster game from Ocho Cinco (260). I don't think we will see a huge game from Moss this week, but that would not really be indicative of Moss given the fact the Pats are facing the Chargers. In fact, I would be more surprised if Moss DID go over the century mark. That doesn't mean he'll bomb the rest of the way, however.

 

[chet]

But how could I expect a guy who thinks an AMG trim package is the same as the hand built AMG motor to see something so obvious....

Are we still on this? BTW, it's a rocket.

 

[David Yudkin]

Let me again state my beef:FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with thisRandy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue--his flagship product didn't reflect this opinion and I have to read about how positive Joe was on Randy but apparantly didn't bother to make sure it was communicated to paying customers.This is meant as constructive criticism for Joe.

To clarify, Dodds was the one that made the projections. Bryant was the one that said he was high on Moss. Since they are not the same people and don't have the same opinion, I think this is basically pointing out that two people had different opinions. There are plenty of times that I do not agree with Dodds' projections . . . but they are HIS projections, so he's entitled to his opinion.

 

[shadyridr]

I had him ranked #2 overall WR but the negativity on these boards influenced me to knock him down a few notches.

 

[Bull Dozier]

You can't have read all of the stuff that Joe has put out over the summer, been a frequent reader on the message board, etc., and not read that Joe was high on Moss. If all you did was come here and download DD, then you would have missed his comments. You would have also missed a lot of other information you would need to tweak DD to suit your personal perspective, IMO.

 

[Nigel]

Let me again state my beef:FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with thisRandy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue--his flagship product didn't reflect this opinion and I have to read about how positive Joe was on Randy but apparantly didn't bother to make sure it was communicated to paying customers.This is meant as constructive criticism for Joe.

To clarify, Dodds was the one that made the projections. Bryant was the one that said he was high on Moss. Since they are not the same people and don't have the same opinion, I think this is basically pointing out that two people had different opinions. There are plenty of times that I do not agree with Dodds' projections . . . but they are HIS projections, so he's entitled to his opinion.

In the preseason rankings, aren't Joe and David coupled? I assumed the VBD app was based on their coupled rankings.

 

[corpcow]

Let me again state my beef:FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with thisRandy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue--his flagship product didn't reflect this opinion and I have to read about how positive Joe was on Randy but apparantly didn't bother to make sure it was communicated to paying customers.This is meant as constructive criticism for Joe.

I've you've been paying any attention at all, Joe has been high on Moss. It has been communicated. Others (both staff members and us "common folk") haven't been quite as high. As Mark said, these are all predictions and different people have different opinions. We all knew Randy was a big risk/reward play coming into the season. Two weeks ago there was talk that Randy might have been cut and he hasn't played a down all pre-season. The updated rankings simply reflect the fact that a good portion of the concerns with Randy have been mitigated - he was healthy and heavily targeted. Some of us paying customers actually appreciate the differing opinions and the discourse that comes out of that as a result... it helps us form our own opinions.

 

[chet]

I had him ranked #2 overall WR but the negativity on these boards influenced me to knock him down a few notches.

Good projection--at least it looks that way.

 

[Joe T]

Yeah, just because Joe believes something means that everyone on staff has to be lock-step with him. He is a dictator and we are all just his drones.

Not.

The way Footballguys.com is structured is that the various staffers involved in the expert ranking polls are encouraged to do our own thinking and analysis - that's why we offer so many different ways to sort through the rankings and the ability include/exclude various people if you think they are way off on QBs, or RBs, or whatever. That's why we. collectively, wrote 99 faceoffs with high side and low side analysis of the top offensive skill position players during preseason - including a faceoff on Randy Moss. Then we had the spotlights, incorporating message board opinions. And the IDP faceoffs. And tons of strategy articles. And so forth.

It is the variety and depth of opinion that we provide that allows people to come to their own conclusions about various players.

Don't try and run down Joe because he allows his staff to do their own thinking.

I think he was running down the ranking and then Joe claiming he called this one right.

 

[Joe T]

Is this an alias? I don't spend much/any time in the Shark Pool but someone please tell me this is schtick.

I don't think it is schtick. It is typical for this pool.

 

[shadyridr]

I had him ranked #2 overall WR but the negativity on these boards influenced me to knock him down a few notches. :(

Good projection--at least it looks that way.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6721450

 

[Big Dumb Ape]

I don't get posts like these. If I was drafting straight off the consensus ranking, you bet I'd be a little annoyed Moss was so low.

I come to FBG (football-wise anyway) for information. I love reading the spotlights and face-offs because of the information used in them. I then take that information and form my own opinion.

I liked Moss this year. Got him in two of three leagues, but I'll fess up that I was flat scared of the pick the week before the first game - hasn't practiced in forever, rumors of him getting cut and whatnot.

I'm not sure what your beef is here - if Joe thought his rankings would add more value to the site than something else he does, he'd probably throw them up there. He didn't.

Sorry you took Bernard Berrian ahead of him, I guess

 

[Joe T]

I'd like to know who had Reggie Bush at #3 overall in PPR leagues.



I didn't get the email today bragging about that pick.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Let me again state my beef:FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with thisRandy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue--his flagship product didn't reflect this opinion and I have to read about how positive Joe was on Randy but apparantly didn't bother to make sure it was communicated to paying customers.This is meant as constructive criticism for Joe.

I've you've been paying any attention at all, Joe has been high on Moss. It has been communicated. Others (both staff members and us "common folk") haven't been quite as high. As Mark said, these are all predictions and different people have different opinions. We all knew Randy was a big risk/reward play coming into the season. Two weeks ago there was talk that Randy might have been cut and he hasn't played a down all pre-season. The updated rankings simply reflect the fact that a good portion of the concerns with Randy have been mitigated - he was healthy and heavily targeted. Some of us paying customers actually appreciate the differing opinions and the discourse that comes out of that as a result... it helps us form our own opinions.

Why would you pay them to have your own opinion? This makes 0 sense to me, I'f I'm paying them for their projections then I don't want to have an opinion, I want to take their advice and plug my team in accordingly. However I do not pay them for their opinion, I pay for my shot at a piece of the 35k.

 

[Joe T]

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[yesitsme]

I doubt Moss finds the endzone in week two, much less goes over 100 yards.

I was curious to see how WR fared last year against the Bolts. In 17 games, only 4 WR cracked the 100-yard receiving barrier: IBruce (105), ABoldin (112), the Pats recently signed JGaffney (103), and a monster game from Ocho Cinco (260). I don't think we will see a huge game from Moss this week, but that would not really be indicative of Moss given the fact the Pats are facing the Chargers. In fact, I would be more surprised if Moss DID go over the century mark. That doesn't mean he'll bomb the rest of the way, however.

Exactly...that's like someone going out on a limb and predicting Johnson doesn't get over a 100 yards and a TD this week.

 

[Neo]

I don't think Joe was "bragging", just giving his "Random Shots". People should have been smart enough to know the talent that Moss is, the situation he was going into, and the RISK associated with that. You need footballguys projections to tell you that Moss may have been a great value pick this year? It was implied but there were safer bets out there....hence projections / rankings had him lower.

Edit to add: Moss may still crap the bed. One game does not make a season.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Speaking of hyping a player, how has Jacoby Jones worked out for people so far?

 

[phthalatemagic]

But how could I expect a guy who thinks an AMG trim package is the same as the hand built AMG motor to see something so obvious....

 

[corpcow]

Let me again state my beef:FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with thisRandy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue--his flagship product didn't reflect this opinion and I have to read about how positive Joe was on Randy but apparantly didn't bother to make sure it was communicated to paying customers.This is meant as constructive criticism for Joe.

I've you've been paying any attention at all, Joe has been high on Moss. It has been communicated. Others (both staff members and us "common folk") haven't been quite as high. As Mark said, these are all predictions and different people have different opinions. We all knew Randy was a big risk/reward play coming into the season. Two weeks ago there was talk that Randy might have been cut and he hasn't played a down all pre-season. The updated rankings simply reflect the fact that a good portion of the concerns with Randy have been mitigated - he was healthy and heavily targeted. Some of us paying customers actually appreciate the differing opinions and the discourse that comes out of that as a result... it helps us form our own opinions.

Why would you pay them to have your own opinion? This makes 0 sense to me, I'f I'm paying them for their projections then I don't want to have an opinion, I want to take their advice and plug my team in accordingly. However I do not pay them for their opinion, I pay for my shot at a piece of the 35k.

Sigh.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Speaking of hyping a player, how has Jacoby Jones worked out for people so far?

lolI still have him ranked ahead of Jones, James Earl.

 

[perry147]

Chet,

Here are two post by Joe during the offseason where he talked about liking Moss.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6879045

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6688954

I also know that Wood liked Moss as well and posted about it before.

 

[Nate]

Let me again state my beef:FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with thisRandy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue--his flagship product didn't reflect this opinion and I have to read about how positive Joe was on Randy but apparantly didn't bother to make sure it was communicated to paying customers.This is meant as constructive criticism for Joe.

You've been misinformed if you think the DD projections and Joe's personal opinion of Moss are the same.Is it really necessary to try and cut apart Random Shots? Just read it and be entertained, or don't read it. Joe said all summer that Moss would be fine, it looks to me like he's headed in the right direction. How can that bother you?

 

[j3r3m3y]

The way Footballguys.com is structured is...- that's why we offer so many different ways to sort through the rankings and the ability include/exclude various people if you think they are way off on QBs, or RBs, or whatever.

So basically, the staffers cover every base, make every prediction humanly possible, so that when something happens they can claim they predicted it would happen. Even Nostradamus is right every now and then. There are no experts in football, staffers are nothing more than people who put their often misinformed opinions in writing. Try watching some real fooball every now and then guys and quit pouring over stat sheets.

Exactly. Make your own decisions and live with them. If you come here and expect the answers, why bother playing at all? Is it your team or FBG's?This is a great place to get input to help you make your decisions, nothing more.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

It's just a wild guess, but maybe, just maybe, Moss' health issues necessitated a lower ranking before the season started?

Also, aren't Joe and David co-owners of FBG?

 

[j3r3m3y]

Is this an alias? I don't spend much/any time in the Shark Pool but someone please tell me this is schtick.

I don't think it is schtick. It is typical for this pool.

It is typical today. It wasn't always this way.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Let me again state my beef:FBG's flagship product ranks Randy Moss WR30 -- I have no issue with thisRandy Moss has a great week one and FBG ups his rank to WR13--again, I realize people and projections can be wrong and I have no real issue here other than it's a very dramatic move.After week 1, FBG owner brags about how he was high on Moss all summer. This is where I have an issue

You'll get over it.

 

[chet]

chet> I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I don't have one. I don't even read Joe's. In fact, I rarely come into the Shark Pool.I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.So, when I read that the owner was really high on Randy, but his flagship draft dominating product didn't reflect that, that rubs me the wrong way. It's kind of like your financial advisor telling you that they loved Google from 100-500 and they owned it in their own accounts but not yours. I can accept if they missed it, but don't tell me you owned it for yourself but not for me.

 

[perry147]

chet> I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I don't have one. I don't even read Joe's. In fact, I rarely come into the Shark Pool.I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.So, when I read that the owner was really high on Randy, but his flagship draft dominating product didn't reflect that, that rubs me the wrong way. It's kind of like your financial advisor telling you that they loved Google from 100-500 and they owned it in their own accounts but not yours. I can accept if they missed it, but don't tell me you owned it for yourself but not for me.

Randy Moss <> GoogleRandy Moss = PetroChinaHuge risk very nice reward.

 

[j3r3m3y]

chet> I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I don't have one. I don't even read Joe's. In fact, I rarely come into the Shark Pool.I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.So, when I read that the owner was really high on Randy, but his flagship draft dominating product didn't reflect that, that rubs me the wrong way. It's kind of like your financial advisor telling you that they loved Google from 100-500 and they owned it in their own accounts but not yours. I can accept if they missed it, but don't tell me you owned it for yourself but not for me.

Would you put complete faith in a financial adviser who charges you $25 a year? Your expectations are completely out of whack.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

chet> I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I don't have one. I don't even read Joe's. In fact, I rarely come into the Shark Pool.I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So, when I read that the owner* was really high on Randy, but his flagship draft dominating product didn't reflect that, that rubs me the wrong way.

It's kind of like your financial advisor telling you that they loved Google from 100-500 and they owned it in their own accounts but not yours. I can accept if they missed it, but don't tell me you owned it for yourself but not for me.

*co-owner

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Which owner's projections are you paying for?

 

[Buckna]

Speaking of hyping a player, how has Jacoby Jones worked out for people so far?

James Jones seems the bigger disappointment if we are going based on only 1 game. 4 receptions for 29 yards? At least he had 8 targets.Jacoby had 3 targets, 2 receptions and 33 yards. He had better production on half as many catches and nearly a 3rd less targets!