John Mamula
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i had Moss ranked 40.i am sticking with it.Moss won't do that well every week, but WR30? Even Yahoo had him ranked higher than that
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Randy Moss and Random Shots (2 Viewers)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
As if you have a choice? You go gurl!!i had Moss ranked 40.i am sticking with it.Moss won't do that well every week, but WR30? Even Yahoo had him ranked higher than that
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Can I get a mysterious hammy by week 5 brother.
Moss was boom or bust to me. He's about as predictable as Prince/The Artist/Whatever.
This is the type of knowledge YOU have to adjust for. When do you want to take a player that can go from hero to zero for no reason but his own.
When I was ready for 3rd Wr in a draft, he was at the top of my board. But that is my risk zone.
If Dominator had varience, his would be very wide. It only has an estimate though.
Dodds seems conservative to me. I love that because it is easier to know where he is coming from and adjust from there with my predictions. Dodds, don't go changin'.
Understanding the staff from their spotlights, faceoffs and opinions helps me know where their projections are coming from.
IMHO, projections are only a way of communicating rankings and how far apart the projector sees one player from another, not actual stats.
There is a lot more knowledge of the player that will go into when I will draft them.
The pay stuff gives you more to work with and does some of the work, but not all of the work.
It's worth the price.
Moss was boom or bust to me. He's about as predictable as Prince/The Artist/Whatever.
This is the type of knowledge YOU have to adjust for. When do you want to take a player that can go from hero to zero for no reason but his own.
When I was ready for 3rd Wr in a draft, he was at the top of my board. But that is my risk zone.
If Dominator had varience, his would be very wide. It only has an estimate though.
Dodds seems conservative to me. I love that because it is easier to know where he is coming from and adjust from there with my predictions. Dodds, don't go changin'.
Understanding the staff from their spotlights, faceoffs and opinions helps me know where their projections are coming from.
IMHO, projections are only a way of communicating rankings and how far apart the projector sees one player from another, not actual stats.
There is a lot more knowledge of the player that will go into when I will draft them.
The pay stuff gives you more to work with and does some of the work, but not all of the work.
It's worth the price.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Didn't read the entire thread, but I agree with Mark.And as for Joe's conviction not getting through to the customer, I'm a customer and I very clearly got Joe's message.Yeah, just because Joe believes something means that everyone on staff has to be lock-step with him. He is a dictator and we are all just his drones.
Not.
The way Footballguys.com is structured is that the various staffers involved in the expert ranking polls are encouraged to do our own thinking and analysis - that's why we offer so many different ways to sort through the rankings and the ability include/exclude various people if you think they are way off on QBs, or RBs, or whatever. That's why we. collectively, wrote 99 faceoffs with high side and low side analysis of the top offensive skill position players during preseason - including a faceoff on Randy Moss. Then we had the spotlights, incorporating message board opinions. And the IDP faceoffs. And tons of strategy articles. And so forth.
It is the variety and depth of opinion that we provide that allows people to come to their own conclusions about various players.
Don't try and run down Joe because he allows his staff to do their own thinking.
Maybe if you took the time to read his updates you would have as well.
If I owned an investment firm, I would be careful of sending out information that greatly conflicted with that my partners and analysts were putting out on any particular investment. If we had an investment tool that was considered to be our "flagship" product, then I would be sensitive to the data in that product and try to respect my audience by not confusing them with my personal conjecture. If the product was labeled with my name (or the data within), I would be even more so.Quite simply, if I wasn’t persuasive enough to convince my own partners and analysts with my arguments and analysis, I would be hard pressed to ask my clientele to be persuaded. If in the end I was vindicated and my partners and analysts were wrong, that would be an internal email and never something that I would send to clients. Stating that I was right when the product my firm recommends as being, “heads and shoulders above any investing tool on the market” conflicts with what I say, that would really stretch my credibility.Joe should have been more convincing when he and David sat down for their final rankings, or less willing to applaud himself for being right when it appears he couldn’t convince his own partner on the merits of Moss for the season.Staffers are one thing, but David and Joe should have similar opinions when the final rankings are created collectively and marketed as such (which Joe states as being the case).As for your google point. If you were with an investment firm that actually had an owner send out daily emails with his thoughts and you failed to read those emails, you'd be pretty stupid for being so lazy and sticking with one tool the investment firm offered it's customers, right? You CHOSE not to read and use the personal insights and information the owner is hand feeding you daily with his emails and now you complain because of your laziness? Talk about schtick
HAS to be schtick!!
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Well, he did say he didn't have the time and expected to be able to use the dd without any effort but firing it up and drafting. Makes sense he didn't read any emails as he wouldn't have had the time. The other thing that is puzzling is that it's not like the op hasn't been around for quite some time. Is this the first time dd has been used by the op?I have a feeling that the complainers skimmed their emails in the off-seasonWell, he can send you the e-mails, but he can't make you read them. I'm a subscriber and I thought his opinion on this matter was crystal clear.Apparently he told everyone except subscribers to his fantasy football information website.
chet
Footballguy
If I owned an investment firm, I would be careful of sending out information that greatly conflicted with that my partners and analysts were putting out on any particular investment. If we had an investment tool that was considered to be our "flagship" product, then I would be sensitive to the data in that product and try to respect my audience by not confusing them with my personal conjecture. If the product was labeled with my name (or the data within), I would be even more so.Quite simply, if I wasn’t persuasive enough to convince my own partners and analysts with my arguments and analysis, I would be hard pressed to ask my clientele to be persuaded. If in the end I was vindicated and my partners and analysts were wrong, that would be an internal email and never something that I would send to clients. Stating that I was right when the product my firm recommends as being, “heads and shoulders above any investing tool on the market” conflicts with what I say, that would really stretch my credibility.Joe should have been more convincing when he and David sat down for their final rankings, or less willing to applaud himself for being right when it appears he couldn’t convince his own partner on the merits of Moss for the season.Staffers are one thing, but David and Joe should have similar opinions when the final rankings are created collectively and marketed as such (which Joe states as being the case).As for your google point. If you were with an investment firm that actually had an owner send out daily emails with his thoughts and you failed to read those emails, you'd be pretty stupid for being so lazy and sticking with one tool the investment firm offered it's customers, right? You CHOSE not to read and use the personal insights and information the owner is hand feeding you daily with his emails and now you complain because of your laziness? Talk about schtick
HAS to be schtick!! 
Flagship schtick!!
I have a singlecut with artist package--she's a beaut!
chet
Footballguy
Not the first time--I've used it for many years. Not sure why you'd think it was the first time.
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
The conviction got through crystal clear to those of us who purchased Footballguys Platinum. Check out the team that Joe Bryant started for me this week:Tony RomoLTPlaxico BurressReggie WayneRandy MossJason WittenVinatieriVikings DTWe did lose by a point, which sucks, but right now I'm just chalking this one up to bad luck. If it happens again, though, I might have to demand a refund.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
This thread is still going strong? Goodness.
Quit attacking the OP. He lacked diplomacy with his statement but he DOES make a valid point. I don't read most of the emails (I'm a suscriber). I didn't notice in any of the suscriber area where Moss was promoted to any extent.
It does indeed seem a tad odd to tell the world you were all over a guy and pimping him to no extent when in hindsight you didn't do much to promote him at all.
Joe, either way you overall do a great job. It can't be easy managing everything but keep up the good work.
Quit attacking the OP. He lacked diplomacy with his statement but he DOES make a valid point. I don't read most of the emails (I'm a suscriber). I didn't notice in any of the suscriber area where Moss was promoted to any extent.
It does indeed seem a tad odd to tell the world you were all over a guy and pimping him to no extent when in hindsight you didn't do much to promote him at all.
Joe, either way you overall do a great job. It can't be easy managing everything but keep up the good work.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
As far as I can tell, of the thousands of people that are subscribers or regular visitors to the site, if only a handful of people are complaining (and may have legit concerns), then we must be doing a pretty good job.
That's the problem. You didn't read the emails so you didn't see where he was promoted. If you had read the emails you would have seen where Joe was high on Moss.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have always sort of wondered why Joe and Dodds collaborate on thier projections instead of Joe making his own projections.
I figure its because Joe trusts Davids number crunching more than his own. But maybe I am wrong.
Maybe Joe does do his own projections but wont have them be subject to scrutiny. Maybe not.
There is some smoke and mirrors here however because Joe either trusts Davids numbers more than his own or else Joe doesen't do his own projections.
You can't have it both ways regardless of how many emails Joe may have ambigiously said he was "high" on Moss.
How high? WR 30?
I figure its because Joe trusts Davids number crunching more than his own. But maybe I am wrong.
Maybe Joe does do his own projections but wont have them be subject to scrutiny. Maybe not.
There is some smoke and mirrors here however because Joe either trusts Davids numbers more than his own or else Joe doesen't do his own projections.
You can't have it both ways regardless of how many emails Joe may have ambigiously said he was "high" on Moss.
How high? WR 30?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
People get way too caught up in the DD and rankings!!
I took Moss early-third in a 14 team league and people were laughing. I just felt this is one of the all time great WRs in a great situation.
Draft the players who YOU feel are going to help your team.
It is the same thing when people complain because so and so dropped 15 places in the 250 forward..so what? Next week the may jump up 25.
I took Moss early-third in a 14 team league and people were laughing. I just felt this is one of the all time great WRs in a great situation.
Draft the players who YOU feel are going to help your team.
It is the same thing when people complain because so and so dropped 15 places in the 250 forward..so what? Next week the may jump up 25.
pinequick
Footballguy
Well, that does seem to be a bit of a problem, doesn't it? If Moss is getting promoted only in the emails (by Joe), its stands to reason that players other than Moss are getting the love in the other forecasts produced by FBGs.Sort of has that "throw enough stuff against that wall and something will stick" feel to it.
With that said, I do feel that the OP is a bit of a whiny #####.
I don't think so. I understand that the emails are Joe's opinion. I also understand that in the rankings I look at all of the other staffers opinions on players. It seems people are a bit upset because they need to be spoon-fed information. It's like people complaining that they get fat from eating at McDonald's. If you are that stupid and lazy to not read the information that is given to you by this site, don't come and complain about how this site does a piss-poor job of keeping you informed.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
If I am reading you right, you would like the flagship product to encompass ALL the staffers and ownership being that it is the end all be all rankings product?If so, I agree. Its makes sense for everyone to have their own articles and opinions however the big enchilada should contain everyone's opinion. Maybe your delivery got you off on a bad foot with the mob?
John Mamula
Moderator
no, the mob in the shark pool are fanatical zealots who flip out like ninjas if anyone gives any constructive criticism.it is a legitimate beef. it would be like joe selling his boats with wood hulls to his customers and then zipping by them in the lake bragging how his is plexiglass or whatever. the customer would be like wtf?many people don't have an issue with that. that's fine. but it would be wise for Joe to listen to any and all criticism and understand that the business practice he takes can rub people the wrong way. at the end of the day as a business decision he may not have a problem with that. that's fine.i'm not a subscriber but i do see the hypocrisy and if i ran a fantasy football website it would reflect my opinions. i would take input from the staff in forming those opinions but there should be one set that is the official FBG stance. of course if you do that you are then held accountable, something it seems that FBG would avoid.
One of the best things about this site is the vast range of opinions. The staff disagree, and have different views on different players. I already know how I have ranked players, I want to see how others have them ranked. How different players that might be going for the boom or bust type players, or the steady guys that always produce.There are many ways to play FF and I feel FBGs represents alot of them. It lets me see how the other guys in my league might be viewing players, who they may or may not be high on.
Anyone care to enlighten me on this, or was this one too many questions?Did the timing of this coincide with the Moss might be cut smokescreen, and cause an overreaction ?And why isn't Projections Dominator just used as the default on DD anyway? Bunch of experts > than 1, or am I missing something?Moss won't do that well every week, but WR30? Even Yahoo had him ranked higher than that
