Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Jon, I’m interested in reading articles substantiating this claim. Are the articles John Blutarsky linked a suitable representation? I read those and a couple others I found but I don’t think I fully understand yet.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
And by the way, here’s just one example of David Duke’s writing that you’re making the comparison to:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rashida-tlaib-blames-white-supremacy-for-new-jersey-shooting
Tlaib, 43, has been accused of anti-Semitism for comments she has made attacking Israel. The Democrat is a staunch defender of the Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions movement. In July, the freshman Democrat compared boycotting Israel to the U.S. boycotting Nazi Germany during World War II.
She was later barred from visiting the country because of her support for the BDS movement but was subsequently told she would be allowed to visit her dying grandmother in the West Bank if she refrained from promoting boycotts against Israel while there. However, she went on to decline the offer, saying the terms set "oppressive conditions."
Last week, Tlaib was one of only four Democrats to oppose a resolution calling for a two-state solution. In a speech she gave on the floor defending her position, the freshman congresswoman accused the Israeli government of being racist.
"This resolution not only endorses an unrealistic, unattainable solution, one that Israel has made impossible, but also one that legitimatizes inequality, ethnic discrimination, and inhumane conditions," Tlaib said, claiming that Israel was trying to make a "separate but equal" mentality between Jews and Palestinians.
Tlaib has also been criticized for posing with terrorist sympathizers. In January, she was photographed with a Hezbollah supporter, and in September she posed for a photo with a youth group that advocates for violence against Israel.
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There is more, but that hits some highlights.
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proteus126
Footballguy
A kosher market in NYC? Maybe I'm ignorant, but given just those two facts I'd be thinking Islamic first, white supremacist next. Maybe 50/50?
timschochet
Footballguy
I gotta say, I happen to believe she is anti-Semitic, and I recall reading some statements of hers that make me think so. But you haven’t provided good examples here. Criticism of Israel, even of a radical nature that endorses violence and Hezbollah, is not necessarily anti-Semitic.
Earlier ssturday morning just wsking up lying in bed, a quick cut and paste from the first decent source which pops up is the best you are going to get. I am more shocked at 4am you are responding.
Does that have anything to do with his views of other people? Then it is irrelevant.Many people here rip on Trump for his hair, weight, and saying he’s orange.
squistion
Footballguy
Considering that Duke is a convicted felon, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Duke and a Holocaust denier, I don't know what to say to such a hyperbolic statement. She has been highly critical of Israel, but comparing her with David Duke is way over the top.
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timschochet
Footballguy
What can I say I had insomnia.
Even so I think it’s an important point. Conservatives, and many pro-Israeli Jews, are all too eager to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. I know because I do it myself. Whenever I hear somebody ripping Israel I immediately get my back up and wonder if that person hates Jews. I look for signs of it; sometimes, as in the case of Tliab, I get them. But many times I don’t, and I try to be fair minded when I don’t. Many Jews, especially older ones who suffered anti-Semitism, are not willing to be fair minded.
Jews are not the only ones who do this of course. Many blacks get suspicious if somebody argues against affirmative action. Many Mexican Americans get suspicious if somebody argues too strongly for a wall on our southern border. And yet there ARE bigots out there, and sometimes they’re pretty easy to spot.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The Washington Examiner isn't a very decent source though (pretty strong tight woth some issues with fact checks). Nor is the comparison to David Duke IMO.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/?amp
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John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
No way would this Rashida do something like that.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/watch-screaming-rashida-tlaib-physically-removed-from-2016-trump-event
squistion
Footballguy
Well, we are not suppose to criticize that because it was "the first decent source which pops up"... Somehow, if I posted something from The Palmer Report, I doubt it would cut it for any critics if I explained it by saying, "it was the first decent choice that popped up in my search."
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
This attacking the source shtick is ridiculous. What was incorrect in the link from the Washington Examiner?
timschochet
Footballguy
Well when your anti-isreal rhetoric includes comparison to Nazi Germany, it crosses the line.
Widbil83
Footballguy
When you are going so insane that you have to be physically picked up off your feet to be removed you are indeed acting like an animal.
timschochet
Footballguy
I agree with you.
So far as I know, the Examiner is a conservative newspaper, but not a disreputable one, nothing like the sites I mentioned in the thread I started on this subject. And in any case, all of the instances cited by Jon are well documented.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I’m not aware of anything factually inaccurate although I’m not very knowledgeable about this topic. However, I didn’t read anything in the article showing how she’s some sort of equivalent to David Duke.
timschochet
Footballguy
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
He didn’t equate the link to his comments about Duke. What he posted was facts and yet the spin is attack the source or now say the article doesn’t equate to Duke.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s not a smart thing to say or a nice thing to say. And if we’re all looking for more civility it doesn’t help. The guy who rushes off the bench to join the players fighting on the field may not be the guiltiest one in the crowd, but he IS guilty and he DOES get punished. And rightfully so.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I posted the link to them...its not an attack of the source...but a comment in that its not a great source. And it seems necessary in these days kn this board when NYT and Washington Post stories get flat out ignored for sites like that. Along the lines of the thread you posted and where some of that conversation went. The examiner has some ok stuff...their opeds are far right and as the fact checks show...they have a problem with their reliability. They aren't some decent source...they will be the conservative spin (at best) ...they aren’t Conservative Treehouse bad...
Note: jon is not one who would just ignore sources and just use right wing wins...so he does get a bit more benefit of the doubt here...perhaps decent meant it was better than other sources reporting that stuff...
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timschochet
Footballguy
The people who dismiss the NYT and WP are themselves worth dismissing. No need to imitate them.
timschochet
Footballguy
And opinion pieces can be dismissed no matter where they’re from UNLESS they include facts that can be verified. In that case those facts and ONLY those facts, without further interpretation, can be used to justify an argument, IMO.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I edited to add to my post that jon wasn't one of those people.
And Im not imitating them...I didn't dismiss the article...but also the Examiner os not equivalent with NYT or WP
Widbil83
Footballguy
If CNN or NYT actually covered stories like these on Democrats we wouldn’t have this problem. Quick search and no reporting from either. I wonder if this were Jim Jordan if they would have reported on it?
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
You do this all the time. It’s your new shtick. If there was nothing incorrect in the link, then there is no need to do what you do.
timschochet
Footballguy
If this is true, (and I have no time this morning to check it out for myself so for the moment I will take your word) then I find your argument compelling.
timschochet
Footballguy
You know, yesterday you made several comments about me as a poster and then I made comments about YOU as a poster and I felt bad about it afterwards. Whether my remarks were accurate or not, I really shouldn’t be doing that. Neither should you. How about we stop making posts in which we criticize other posters? Rip his point of view all you want, but stop with the “you do this all the time”. And I promise to stop too.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Fox and the Examiner may be the most decent ones doing a story jn her tweet...which she deleted. The others are a who’s who of right-wing conspiracy and fake mews sites. That doesn’t necessarily make the argument compelling at all.
Not one even centrist site seems to have reported on it...
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Widbil83
Footballguy
You don’t have to go to the library to do this. Take a few posts off and report back.
timschochet
Footballguy
I didn’t notice that it was a protest from 3 years ago the first time.
That changes things somewhat. While it’s an interesting detail about Tlaib, it’s not really news. I can see why nobody else other than conservative sites chose to report it.
If that protest had occurred this morning, I would agree with your point.
That changes things somewhat. While it’s an interesting detail about Tlaib, it’s not really news. I can see why nobody else other than conservative sites chose to report it.
If that protest had occurred this morning, I would agree with your point.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I dont think the protest was the article that was not on anything but conservative sites but the story of the tweet she deleted.
And I reject argument that if Jordan dod it it would be bigger news is a sign of bias. Its a sign of Jordan’s standing nationally and in the party vs Tlaib’s.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Tlaibs hate for Israel and Jews seem to be ingrained and part of the fabric of her being. I don`t think she is helping our cause at all and at times hurts it.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Could you provide an example of this hatred? That’s a strong accusation to make without support. Or are you using “hate” hyperbolically?
It's going to sound like a generalization, but it does seem to be common in Islamic communities. They share a long history of questionable relations, possibly even back to the days of Abraham. It's basically a 5000 year old family feud, like the Hatfields and McCoys on enough steroids to beat Russia at their own doping game.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Not the crazy video of her being carried out, the actual story today. CNN and the NYT haven’t said a peep.
timschochet
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Hate is a word easily tossed around these days. If you have ever met people from Palestine they are raised to believe Jews are evil, it is more of a cultural thing.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Neither has anyone outside of mostly far right wing sources. Didn't see a single neutral site reporting it...did you?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Comparisons to David Duke are not fair. Saying that you should only be upset by this if you like white supremacists is unfair.
She shouldn't have done it. She should have apologized. The media should have covered it considering the coverage they give to far smaller gaffes on the right or even better would be if they stopped covering anything like this on any side.
She shouldn't have done it. She should have apologized. The media should have covered it considering the coverage they give to far smaller gaffes on the right or even better would be if they stopped covering anything like this on any side.
squistion
Footballguy
Me too. Nothing new about her on Twitter, just rehashing her deleted Tweet from a couple days ago.
https://twitter.com/search?q=rashida Talib&src=tyah
timschochet
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
There is still outrage about it. Probably nothing else to talk about but the impeachment.
GROOT
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
AP (Associated Press)
Reuters (according to some here when the bias of news sources has been discussed).
sho nuff
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
That is the whole point of this thread, but the Democrat argument seems to be this is a complete nothing burger not deserving of coverage.
Again if this were (insert any random random white Republican name here) going on a tweet storm 2 seconds after a mass shooting blaming Islam and being completely wrong it would be top news on every MSM outlet. It’s the hypocrisy sho, this is a big reason why most people hate the MSM and why Boris and Trump win elections.
