DocHolliday
Footballguy
Buck Allen owner here. Collins is the back to own. Allen is droppable.
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RB Alex Collins, SEA (4 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well that was promising.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
And were live again. I wish the RZ channel would show his runs.
Harbaugh is in a tough position. Sometimes desperate times will drive a man to do some things that could be considered nuts under conventional and/or normal circumstances.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
pghrob
Footballguy
45 years young.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Weebs210
Footballguy
Every single one of our "interactions" began with you quoting me. Every. Single. One.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is ridiculous.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Bad drop by Collins there, looks like the staff is trying to see what he can do on passing downs.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Well this is noticable. Alex Collins is in on passing downs, not Buck Allen.
EDIT: Yep, he's still in.
EDIT: Yep, he's still in.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Have to say that I think his workout metrics were wrong. He looks much faster then his burst score and speed score implied. I will say to my naked he looks like what Chris Ivory was at the beginning of his career. I still don’t think that would make people happy in this thread. Him and West are complete liabilities in the passing game. Every time they threw the ball with either of those two in there Flacco ended up with an incompletion or on the ground. Seems Harbaugh and co. really don’t like Allen. So I’ll raise my hand here and say I was wrong. I don’t think he’s all world but he may end up serviceable the rest of the way and he may be the best the Ravens have. If you run into Meebs or SSND in your dynasty leagues sell for as high as you can.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Fair enough. I would still be suggesting people try to pair him and try for an upgrade somewhere they need then to hold and pray. This is still a terrible Ravens offense facing a not very good rush defense. He’ll still be a non factor in the passing game. But fwiw, I can see why there is excitement for his running style.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I believe they'll get him more involved in the passing game as time goes on. Collins isn't a great pass-catcher, but he's more than serviceable & it puts the ball in the hands of their best runner.
Dedfin
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
I think Collins (even with the fumble) might've done enough to surpass Terrance West as the lead back. The game script and coaching decisions after the fumble seem to reflect that.
Yep, tenuous hold on that job.
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Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
I would say it is "sink or swim"...Dedfin said:
///but sharks swim by nature....
...or so I have been told.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
This has been a fun hype train.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I've mostly been cautiously optimistic and primarily from a redraft perspective because I think his competition is weak. I never said Collins was a world beater.Bojang0301 said:
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The Frankman
Footballguy
... how? Outside of the fumble he did everything you would've wanted to see from a lotto ticket RB and more. He started today as still unknown as a contender for the starting job in a 3-headed committee; not only was he the only back to do anything, he was involved on passing downs consistently for the first time. His competition again looked terrible. If anything (and the media seems to think this), it seems like Collins has surpassed West as starter, and may even steal a little passing down work from Allen.
Agreed. When he fumbled I thought it was over for him. But when harbaugh went back to him out of necessity BC his other backs suck and he ripped off that 50 yd run I felt much better. This kid could be a league winner if he stops fumbling. It looks like harbaugh has seen enough to want to feature him.
Remember 2015 with Forsett? I'm getting that feeling here.
i would agree with you if the fumble came after the 50 yard run, and if we didn't see him again the rest of the game.He's fumbling because he's trying to do too much.
Rove!
Footballguy
I hope the coaches believe it can be remedied...he will definitely see more opportunities , but if the fumbling remains an issue, he won't take over...if he can greatly reduce them, then he will be the guy...
Chaka
Footballguy
Look he's electric to watch, super fun and makes you hold your breath a little when he gets the ball. But...
56 touches in the NFL, four fumbles. I imagine it has happened more in practice and preseason. We probably can deduce why Seattle gave up on him.
And let's not pretend that it isn't a serious trend with the additional 17 fumbles in college. Dude has a problem. At least in college it a fumble per every 40 touches. He's getting worse, probably because NFL players are so much better at stripping the ball.
Today he lost the game for his team. They almost rolled it back with his help but he lost the game. That fumble turned what may have been a 20 touch game into a 9 touch game.
Next week we are right back to where we were this morning. Not saying he can't fix it, but is there any scenario where his leash is incredibly short?
56 touches in the NFL, four fumbles. I imagine it has happened more in practice and preseason. We probably can deduce why Seattle gave up on him.
And let's not pretend that it isn't a serious trend with the additional 17 fumbles in college. Dude has a problem. At least in college it a fumble per every 40 touches. He's getting worse, probably because NFL players are so much better at stripping the ball.
Today he lost the game for his team. They almost rolled it back with his help but he lost the game. That fumble turned what may have been a 20 touch game into a 9 touch game.
Next week we are right back to where we were this morning. Not saying he can't fix it, but is there any scenario where his leash is incredibly short?
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Wait, WHAT? Did you watch the game? What nonsense are you speaking of? It was 6-0 in the 2nd quarter when he fumbled. PIT recovered, drove it and made it 13-0... in the 2nd quarter.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Start to finish, it was my local morning game.
Okay, fine I concede because semantic back-and-forth arguments don't accomplish anything. So, yes they could have come back. But that fumble killed the Ravens if you didn't see that then we simply disagree and won't change our minds.
And in the most basic analysis (i.e. "Scoreboard") 13>9. So, yes he directly cost them the game.
Weebs210
Footballguy
To be fair if Collins didn't have a 50 yard run they probably wouldn't have scored a TD the whole game.
The Frankman
Footballguy
It's not even a semantics issue for me, I'm not absolving Flacco being turrible, the crappiness of the other two RBs, the odd offensive playcalling that wanted to pass to Ben Watson half the time, or the WRs for the drops. Ignore all that... it's all on Alex Collins.
... nah not buying that.
... nah not buying that.
Chaka
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more. Love watching him run and I think they will give him another shot at a vulnerable Raiders defense. But he's got to fix this problem or today will be his high water mark.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I've seen enough to know that T West is completely useless for the Ravens. Allen is strictly 3rd down. Collins will take all of West's carries. Fumbling is bad. They have to fix it. But at least he can run. West is a total zero.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
25 carries, 206 yards. Come on.
This really is remarkable, especially when you look at what west and Allen have done behind that same o line.
Harbaugh can talk all he wants about potentially benching collins if he fumbles more, but honestly he'd be a total shmuck for doing so. Instead, realize what you have in this kid and get him some help with the fumbles. It was mentioned here recently but tiki barber had the same issue and I think even got benched early in his career for it. But coughlin worked with him and taught him a better way to carry the ball to eliminate the fumbles. After that, barber became or of the most reliable backs in the league with regards to protecting the ball.
Why not give a call to tiki and pay him to come in as a consultant to work with the rbs on ball security?
Chaka
Footballguy
Like I said, I concede they could have come back. If they were a better team all around they would have come back. But what they were coming back from was Collins' mistake, not Flacco's or anyone else's. It was Collins' mistake that gave Pittsburgh a lead they never relinquished. So, while I conceded it is not all on him, yup his mistake directly cost them the game.
