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RB Alex Collins, SEA (8 Viewers)
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I agree on the Flacco passing 40+ times part but Collins was getting 17 ish carries in addition to 2-3 recs after he took the job last year. Not 11-14. And the Ravens were 6th I think in rushing attempts. He also has to be close to the top of the league in tds during that stretch. I’d let a normal game script or 2 play out before I started bailing on the notion that he’ll get that usage again.
shadyridr
Footballguy
If it weren't for the uncertainty of Buck Allen's role, I might think the opposite. I can see Collins putting up some 100 yard games. Jordan likely won't sniff that. Guess I am still holding out that Collins turns the corner.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
starting this week
Judge Smails
Footballguy
This. Buck Allen is the thorn in Collins owners sides. Leaches red zone appearances and TDs
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't understand, you think Howard won't have 100 yards in a game? What am I missing from your post?
Jordan had 107 yards in week 1, he is getting 18.5 touches per game Collins has 20 touches on the season.
Jordan also seems to have fixed his receiving issues so far which makes him more of an every down threat.
Plus Nagy just said today that he needs to use Howard even more in the fourth quarter when they have the lead. With that defense, which is far superior to Baltimore, they will be in plenty of close games.
IMO even if Buck Allen goes away, which he won't, it's Howard over Collins six days a week and twice on Sundays.
Chaka
Footballguy
I like Collins as much as the next guy but I have no idea how anyone could see Collins as the unquestionably better back let alone thinking it isn't close. I get that Howard isn't considered a great receiver but he has been noticably improving every year and has zero ball security issues.
I don't see anything Collins does markedly better than Howard that doesn't have a counterpoint in Howard's favor.
Howard >>>> Collins
jm192
Footballguy
Agreed. I've got many more shares of Collins, and I'll snap accept a Howard offer.
Howard's the guy in Chicago. And now he's getting 4 catches a game so far.
I pretty much agree with the current thinking. Maybe my sniffing comment was wrong.
I just think the upside is much better with Collins while the floor and consistency are better with Howard - as of today. I looked at a lot of ROS ranks last night and these guys are rarely more than a couple of spots apart - even under current thinking.
I just think the upside is much better with Collins while the floor and consistency are better with Howard - as of today. I looked at a lot of ROS ranks last night and these guys are rarely more than a couple of spots apart - even under current thinking.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Anyone trade Collins? I'm ready to move on & try to package him with another player for an upgrade somewhere.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Bloom was sooo high on Collins in the draft as a TARGET. Now he's slipping to a serviceable low end RB #2 / Flex?
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
TartanLion
Footballguy
I was intent on holding firm with him in my lineup at flex, but certain situations opening up mean that he may be getting benched by me for Gio or Clement ( if Ajayi sits ). I maintain he will come through with a big week very soon, and quite possibly as early as this week. Doesn't seem like the right time to try and trade him, there will be a game script round the corner where he runs for 100 odd yards with 15-20 touches and goes in for a TD or 2. Allen isn't vulturing all red zone looks, Collins will get his. Then would be the time to trade him away if you are intent on doing so.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am trying to wait until his value goes up a little. I don't think anything I am going to get for him now would be worth risking the off chance that he actually starts producing like we thought he would.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
In my dynasty league I got offered Moncrief for him, I declined and countered with a 2019 1st. He declined. I expect Collins value to go up. How much? I am not sure.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The Finist
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I've been looking at his schedule and this may be the best week to trade him... he faces some really tough defenses. At this point it's either trade him or save him for the playoffs. According to Yahoo, 6 of the next 7 weeks are against unfavorable defenses. Which I understand, we are judging these defenses based off of 2 weeks only, but something to consider at least:
Week 3: Denver (24th in fantasy points allowed to RBs- a lower number means higher scoring for RBs)
4: @PIT (26th)
5: @CLE (8th- favorable)
6: @ TEN (30th)
7: NO (31st)
8: @CAR (23rd)
9: PIT (26th)
BYE
After his bye he has all favorable matchups for RBs.
If I could trade for Collins as my RB3 and I didn't need him to play flex, I'd highly consider it. He could be a huge playoff boost for teams, resulting in this thread possibly re-igniting the exact same offseason debate we've had about Collins since December 2017.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I own Howard in one league and I would take that offer.The Dude said:
Oddly, after this week, the week I am most likely to bench Collins is on the road at Cleveland, the matchup you list has as the most favorable.Dr. Dan said:
That said, I think this is a big week for Collins and his future. I am still a believer in his talent, but if he gets fewer than 15 touches this week, then he is probably not a startable asset until he puts a couple of big weeks up in a row. I agree with the others that he is a victim of misuse by Morningweg/Harbaugh. As a Bengals fan, I watched every second of the last game, and I sure felt relief whenever I saw Buck Allen in the backfield. Collins was the Ravens' Mixon... when he was not in the game the whole offense slowed down.
Allen had a 1.3 YPC and even counting his receiving, he had less than 5 yards per touch. Meanwhile, facing the same DEF, Collins had almost 4 YPC and 7.5 yards per touch.
I get that he has a fumbling issue, but to me, I would rather have an RB that gets 4 YPC and puts the ball on the ground every other game than one that gets 2.5 YPC and never fumbles. Just like I would rather have a Favre, that throws for 350 a game with a pick or two each game, then say, a Dilfer, who throws for 180 a game and zero picks.
Benching him for fumbling and playing Allen would be like the Bengals benching AJ Green because of his fumbles (twice in week one) and starting Boyd. I am not saying Collins is as good as Green... not even close... but the talent difference from Collins to Allen is at least as big as the talent delta from Green to Boyd.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
1. 2 weeks is way too small a sample size. And we’re looking at defenses - injuries happen allllll the time.Dr. Dan said:
2. I’m not big on selling low. At this point as an owner in one league I’d prefer to hold and take my solid if unspectacular RB2 production from him & see if he gets more touches. IMO they will come.
I think owners would be wise to hold him & start him at RB2/Flex and if he breaks out, great. If he keeps doing the same, great.
fortunately the rest of my team is solid enough that he’s my Flex & I only need his floor.
While some don’t have that luxury, I don’t see the benefit of selling low either. Best just to hold and hope for more touches & no fumbles for a few games.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wouldn’t that depend on what he does with those touches though?
If he gets 12 touches but scores 3 long TDs, that’s ok right?
Chaka
Footballguy
No, it wouldn't at all be like that because Collins is nowhere near the caliber of player that AJ is. I'm a Collins fan but the hype for this guy is insane.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I realize that, and even commented on that. I just think it's worth taking a look at it regardlesstangfoot said:
I agree. TEN has only faced MIA and HOU, two teams with below average running games IMO (I'm not following how well Lamar Miller is doing in the regular season). PIT hasn't faced great running teams in general (minus KC but that was a shoot out), and NO as well hasn't faced much in general (CLE and TB) regarding running attacks.
Baltimore doesn't really scare anyone offensively though... so if it's possible game script could favor Buck Allen rather than Collins.
In my dyno I am strong at RB, traded him for Josh Gordon. Speculative. Could come back to bite me. BUT, I feel like after last season and the first 2 games of this year I have a good grasp of what collins is: Solid RB. Unspectacular. Glaring deficiencies in his game that make it unlikely for him to ever rise to the ranks of elite workhorse. Plus, harbaugh is an idiot and becomes enamored with middling talents like Suck Allen and that keeps Collins off the field too much. He can get scripted out of games. I decided to go with the upside of gordon with Brady.NeverEnough said:
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Absent at practice today. No reason given yet.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Came here to post the same. Practice report says illness. Good news. Was afraid it might have read “red zone drills” as his reason for being absent.
foxco
Footballguy
I did clarify on that didn't I? I said "I am not saying Collins is as good as Green... not even close.." Not sure I get how this can be called "hype."
My comment was more about the weakness of Allen than the strength of Collins.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Terrible matchup in Denver, so logically he's going to have his best game of the season on my bench.
Have to choose between him or Lindsay. Can't say I feel good about either but I feel like their upside is about the same.
Have to choose between him or Lindsay. Can't say I feel good about either but I feel like their upside is about the same.
the lone star
Footballguy
People gave me some crap when I said I wasn't too high on him this offseason. Only 2 games, I know, but I'm not liking it so far.
Chaka
Footballguy
Oh, that was you? I was wondering who was the guy that wasn't too high on Collins. Mystery solved.
the lone star
Footballguy
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Once again I’ll believe it when I see it but another positive article.
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/news-notes-9-19-joe-flacco-wants-to-get-dynamic-alex-collins-the-ball
Flacco agrees with us about the bizarre game scripts
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/news-notes-9-19-joe-flacco-wants-to-get-dynamic-alex-collins-the-ball
Flacco agrees with us about the bizarre game scripts
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Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
That's encouraging. Feel like people in here drafted him too early, the way they're carrying on.Once again I’ll believe it when I see it but another positive article.
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/news-notes-9-19-joe-flacco-wants-to-get-dynamic-alex-collins-the-ball
Flacco agrees with us about the bizarre game scripts
He's scored 6 points and 11 points which is perfectly fine as a RB2. Ravens haven't been in any "competitive" games. So far they blew out the Bills and got blown out by the Bengals.
If this Broncos game is competitive, it should be big game for him because he'll actually be used. Even if it's a Ravens blowout, I don't see him riding the pine on the road.
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I tend to agree he was likely drafted too early. The Cinnci game though wasnt really a blow out and Ravens had opportunity to use him more.
We'll see. I may be sitting him for Clement this week.
It’s a home game but you echo an excellent point, it’s unlikely the Ravens will be down 21 points in the early second or up 40 points in the early 3rd.
