RB Audric Estime, DEN (1 Viewer)

[ZADO]

CBS Sports’ Tracy Wolfson reports Audric Estime is expected to be “more involved” in Week 9 against the Ravens.


Per Wolfson, the Broncos are looking to get more out of their ground game this week. Javonte Williams has had an uninspiring 2024 season so far. He is averaging 3.8 yards per carry and hasn’t hit 90 rushing yards in a game. Estime, a fifth-round rookie, could give the team a spark, though injuries and ball security have prevented him from seeing the field much this year. Estime is an RB5 at best this week while a potential increase in his role should keep fantasy managers away from Williams.

Broncos HC Sean Payton Wants to See More of RB Audric Estime​

 

[Sunday Gravy]

 

[eighsse2]

CBS Sports’ Tracy Wolfson reports Audric Estime is expected to be “more involved” in Week 9 against the Ravens.


Per Wolfson, the Broncos are looking to get more out of their ground game this week. Javonte Williams has had an uninspiring 2024 season so far. He is averaging 3.8 yards per carry and hasn’t hit 90 rushing yards in a game. Estime, a fifth-round rookie, could give the team a spark, though injuries and ball security have prevented him from seeing the field much this year. Estime is an RB5 at best this week while a potential increase in his role should keep fantasy managers away from Williams.

Broncos HC Sean Payton Wants to See More of RB Audric Estime​

One week off.

 

[King of the Jungle]

CBS Sports’ Tracy Wolfson reports Audric Estime is expected to be “more involved” in Week 9 against the Ravens.


Per Wolfson, the Broncos are looking to get more out of their ground game this week. Javonte Williams has had an uninspiring 2024 season so far. He is averaging 3.8 yards per carry and hasn’t hit 90 rushing yards in a game. Estime, a fifth-round rookie, could give the team a spark, though injuries and ball security have prevented him from seeing the field much this year. Estime is an RB5 at best this week while a potential increase in his role should keep fantasy managers away from Williams.

Broncos HC Sean Payton Wants to See More of RB Audric Estime​

One week off.

Starter from here on out?

 

[eagles 123]

Top waiver pickup next week for sure. Week 12 blow up game incoming

 

[Uncle Leo]

Top waiver pickup next week for sure. Week 12 blow up game incoming

Yup.

 

[Birdie048]

But how did he actually look??
StatLine was meh
14 carries 53 yards for the same 3.8 ypc
No rec/ or even targets
Numbers look more “plodder” than workhorse

 

[Lansdowne]

But how did he actually look??
StatLine was meh
14 carries 53 yards for the same 3.8 ypc
No rec/ or even targets
Numbers look more “plodder” than workhorse

Broncos faced the Chiefs who have the best run defense in the league in all fairness.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

But how did he actually look??
StatLine was meh
14 carries 53 yards for the same 3.8 ypc
No rec/ or even targets
Numbers look more “plodder” than workhorse

Not going to consider the opponent at all?

 

[Birdie048]

I guess my question was unclear. I am an owner and draft/held him since May. Yes, I realize KC DL is premier and they are very difficult to run on.
I did not catch any of the game or highlights where he was featured.
Did his runs show vision, take he good cuts or signs of toughness?
I know he did not have breakaway speed, but was he able to make it past 1st line of defenders?
I was only asking about how he looked.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

I guess my question was unclear. I am an owner and draft/held him since May. Yes, I realize KC DL is premier and they are very difficult to run on.
I did not catch any of the game or highlights where he was featured.
Did his runs show vision, take he good cuts or signs of toughness?
I know he did not have breakaway speed, but was he able to make it past 1st line of defenders?
I was only asking about how he looked.

I thought he looked very good. Payton's play-calling has been not great. First half of games he is creative so Nix and the entire offense look great. Then in the second half of most games, especially once they have a lead, he shuts it down and tries to just run the clock. So many of Estime's second half carries yesterday were into stacked boxes, which lowered his YPC.
I'm encouraged about Estime for ROS. Only tough run defense is Chargers in week 16 and the Titans had success on the ground against them yesterday.

 

[The Frankman]

I guess my question was unclear. I am an owner and draft/held him since May. Yes, I realize KC DL is premier and they are very difficult to run on.
I did not catch any of the game or highlights where he was featured.
Did his runs show vision, take he good cuts or signs of toughness?
I know he did not have breakaway speed, but was he able to make it past 1st line of defenders?
I was only asking about how he looked.

The Highlight Zone | Audric Estime EVERY CARRY vs Chiefs| NFL Week 10 Highlights

I loved his 1st run... hard plant, cut, stutterstep.

A lot of the runs they threatened 8 in the box. Facing a not Top 3 run defense... he's going to do well. Ability has never been the question with him, it's ball security.

Broncos next 3 opponents:
11 Atl (24th) Sun 4:05 PM
12 @LV (10th) 4:05 PM
13 Cle (22nd) 8:15 PM

As long as this wasn't a "hot hand" thing and Estime really won the job as the 2-down thumper (he hasn't had a catch all year), there's potential here. Another question is this: Is he the goaline back also?

 

[Stoneworker]

Another question is this: Is he the goaline back also?

I don't think Sean Payton believes in a "goal line back" philosophy.

Jaleel McLauglin (187 lbs) has three TD's this year, all of which came on runs and swing passes inside the 3-yd line. Payton likes having a full range of options down there.

But I would predict Estime > JW on short yardage opptys at least in the short term given that Williams has often been ineffective in those situations.

 

[Stoneworker]

I also can't see Javonte getting fully relegated to the bench as most in the media seem to think. He's got 31 recpts at 7.2 ypc this year, and has bailed out Nix on many occasions. Estime simply doesn't offer that dual threat.

 

[Birdie048]

I guess my question was unclear. I am an owner and draft/held him since May. Yes, I realize KC DL is premier and they are very difficult to run on.
I did not catch any of the game or highlights where he was featured.
Did his runs show vision, take he good cuts or signs of toughness?
I know he did not have breakaway speed, but was he able to make it past 1st line of defenders?
I was only asking about how he looked.

The Highlight Zone | Audric Estime EVERY CARRY vs Chiefs| NFL Week 10 Highlights

I loved his 1st run... hard plant, cut, stutterstep.

A lot of the runs they threatened 8 in the box. Facing a not Top 3 run defense... he's going to do well. Ability has never been the question with him, it's ball security.

Broncos next 3 opponents:
11 Atl (24th) Sun 4:05 PM
12 @LV (10th) 4:05 PM
13 Cle (22nd) 8:15 PM

As long as this wasn't a "hot hand" thing and Estime really won the job as the 2-down thumper (he hasn't had a catch all year), there's potential here. Another question is this: Is he the goaline back also?

THANKS!! Impressive runs. Good cuts & patience for the hole to develop
More than I could ask for in return for a late round flyer!!

 

[The General]

Is it time to unload the FAAB here?

 

[eagles 123]

Yeah he has most potential and coach is telling you where this is headed. Barring an injury or fumble his touches will only increase ROS imo.

 

[steelwind]

Trying to think accurately here. This Denver backfield situation will be a 3 way RBBC correct?
Week 10:
Estime 26 snaps
Williams 17 snaps
McLaughlin 7 snaps

There is the "what if" as far as Estime dominating snaps or ramps up. But in order for that to occur he has to pass block. And they are still using Williams in passing downs. So this tells me that the 3 way RBBC isn't going away.
The "what if" excites me. The reality of the RBBC is making me rethink the excitement.

Am I the only one here?

 

[BladeRunner]

Trying to think accurately here. This Denver backfield situation will be a 3 way RBBC correct?
Week 10:
Estime 26 snaps
Williams 17 snaps
McLaughlin 7 snaps

There is the "what if" as far as Estime dominating snaps or ramps up. But in order for that to occur he has to pass block. And they are still using Williams in passing downs. So this tells me that the 3 way RBBC isn't going away.
The "what if" excites me. The reality of the RBBC is making me rethink the excitement.

Am I the only one here?

You are not. Seems like we're chasing here. Almost feels like fool's gold.

 

[joey]

The main point to me is…with all the injuries and other issues, how can you afford NOT to throw a dart at Estime if you have the bench space or your RB corpe is decimated.

 

[Birdie048]

Owner, belief that Den HC Mr Sean will create some sort of Ingram/Kamara duo but I just don't see it as a reality this season.
I am optimistic he will return ROI for the 4th round rookie pick I paid and stashed him on IR when applicable

 

[Stoneworker]

Trying to think accurately here. This Denver backfield situation will be a 3 way RBBC correct?
Week 10:
Estime 26 snaps
Williams 17 snaps
McLaughlin 7 snaps

There is the "what if" as far as Estime dominating snaps or ramps up. But in order for that to occur he has to pass block. And they are still using Williams in passing downs. So this tells me that the 3 way RBBC isn't going away.
The "what if" excites me. The reality of the RBBC is making me rethink the excitement.

Am I the only one here?

It's actually potentially a 4-way and a pretty hot mess for fantasy at the moment.

WR Marvin Mims lined up as a lone tailback last game for 6-8 snaps in a quasi-Deebo usage and had 3 successful carries (5.7 ypc) and a couple swing passes.

Remains to be seen if this was a one-off but Mims is great in space and Payton has been trying to get him more involved for weeks

 

[Monkian]

Trying to think accurately here. This Denver backfield situation will be a 3 way RBBC correct?
Week 10:
Estime 26 snaps
Williams 17 snaps
McLaughlin 7 snaps

There is the "what if" as far as Estime dominating snaps or ramps up. But in order for that to occur he has to pass block. And they are still using Williams in passing downs. So this tells me that the 3 way RBBC isn't going away.
The "what if" excites me. The reality of the RBBC is making me rethink the excitement.

Am I the only one here?

I read elsewhere, though I can't find an official source, that Estime ran 7 routes to Javonte's 8 (3 for McLaughlin), so he's not completely disregarded in the passing game, I guess.

I would bet on a marginal increase in usage if he doesn't get himself in the doghouse. Hoping for a takeover, though, as I have to start him this week.

 

[steelwind]

Trying to think accurately here. This Denver backfield situation will be a 3 way RBBC correct?
Week 10:
Estime 26 snaps
Williams 17 snaps
McLaughlin 7 snaps

There is the "what if" as far as Estime dominating snaps or ramps up. But in order for that to occur he has to pass block. And they are still using Williams in passing downs. So this tells me that the 3 way RBBC isn't going away.
The "what if" excites me. The reality of the RBBC is making me rethink the excitement.

Am I the only one here?

It's actually potentially a 4-way and a pretty hot mess for fantasy at the moment.

WR Marvin Mims lined up as a lone tailback last game for 6-8 snaps in a quasi-Deebo usage and had 3 successful carries (5.7 ypc) and a couple swing passes.

Remains to be seen if this was a one-off but Mims is great in space and Payton has been trying to get him more involved for weeks

Good call out. It’s possibly a 5 way rbbc cause Bo also runs

 

[Stoneworker]

Trying to think accurately here. This Denver backfield situation will be a 3 way RBBC correct?
Week 10:
Estime 26 snaps
Williams 17 snaps
McLaughlin 7 snaps

There is the "what if" as far as Estime dominating snaps or ramps up. But in order for that to occur he has to pass block. And they are still using Williams in passing downs. So this tells me that the 3 way RBBC isn't going away.
The "what if" excites me. The reality of the RBBC is making me rethink the excitement.

Am I the only one here?

It's actually potentially a 4-way and a pretty hot mess for fantasy at the moment.

WR Marvin Mims lined up as a lone tailback last game for 6-8 snaps in a quasi-Deebo usage and had 3 successful carries (5.7 ypc) and a couple swing passes.

Remains to be seen if this was a one-off but Mims is great in space and Payton has been trying to get him more involved for weeks

Good call out. It’s possibly a 5 way rbbc cause Bo also runs

Yep. Bo currently has more rushing TD's (4) than all the other RB's combined (3)

 

[eighsse2]

I would bet on a marginal increase in usage if he doesn't get himself in the doghouse. Hoping for a takeover, though, as I have to start him this week.

Just for clarity, I assume when you say "a marginal increase", you mean a marginal increase over his usage prior to Sunday, i.e., a moderate decrease from this week. Not a marginal increase over what happened Sunday, as that essentially was a takeover.

 

[Lansdowne]

Trying to think accurately here. This Denver backfield situation will be a 3 way RBBC correct?
Week 10:
Estime 26 snaps
Williams 17 snaps
McLaughlin 7 snaps

There is the "what if" as far as Estime dominating snaps or ramps up. But in order for that to occur he has to pass block. And they are still using Williams in passing downs. So this tells me that the 3 way RBBC isn't going away.
The "what if" excites me. The reality of the RBBC is making me rethink the excitement.

Am I the only one here?

I read elsewhere, though I can't find an official source, that Estime ran 7 routes to Javonte's 8 (3 for McLaughlin), so he's not completely disregarded in the passing game, I guess.

I would bet on a marginal increase in usage if he doesn't get himself in the doghouse. Hoping for a takeover, though, as I have to start him this week.

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It's close, but Estime ran 8 routes and Williams 10 routes. I'm with you in being curious to whether or not Estime will get involved in the pass game. We only have a small sample size to work with so far. My guess is Payton is going to want to see what he has with Estime and what role he'll have with next year's team. Can't see Williams coming back at this point.

 

[rodalive]

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

 

[Stoneworker]

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

It is clear as mud

Leading WR Courtland Sutton had zero targets in Week 7, but has averaged 10 in the past three weeks.

Payton designs plays and different personnel packages each week based on the opponent. He thrives on unpredictability.

Yes, he has wanted Estime to get more involved for some time. But he's said that about all his rookies (Franklin, Vele, Estime).

To go from there to "pretty clear which direction this is going" after a single week seems like an enormous stretch

 

[gbill2004]

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

It is clear as mud

Leading WR Courtland Sutton had zero targets in Week 7, but has averaged 10 in the past three weeks.

Payton designs plays and different personnel packages each week based on the opponent. He thrives on unpredictability.

Yes, he has wanted Estime to get more involved for some time. But he's said that about all his rookies (Franklin, Vele, Estime).

To go from there to "pretty clear which direction this is going" after a single week seems like an enormous stretch

Sutton is a great example. A few weeks ago it was clear to most "experts" that Sutton was being phased out of the offense. Then last couple weeks he's been a target monster putting up big numbers.

 

[Monkian]

I would bet on a marginal increase in usage if he doesn't get himself in the doghouse. Hoping for a takeover, though, as I have to start him this week.

Just for clarity, I assume when you say "a marginal increase", you mean a marginal increase over his usage prior to Sunday, i.e., a moderate decrease from this week. Not a marginal increase over what happened Sunday, as that essentially was a takeover.

Sorry, I mean over an increase over what just happened. Counting Mims snaps in the backfield, Estime took <50% of RB snaps. So I'm hoping like 55% of snaps, equaling a couple more carries, maybe a reception or two. When I said I'm hoping for a takeover, I was thinking along the lines of 70% of the snaps, but I don't think he'll get that kind of stranglehold this year.

 

[rodalive]

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

It is clear as mud

Leading WR Courtland Sutton had zero targets in Week 7, but has averaged 10 in the past three weeks.

Payton designs plays and different personnel packages each week based on the opponent. He thrives on unpredictability.

Yes, he has wanted Estime to get more involved for some time. But he's said that about all his rookies (Franklin, Vele, Estime).

To go from there to "pretty clear which direction this is going" after a single week seems like an enormous stretch

Nope, it's pretty clear the direction this is going, apologies it's not what you want to happen. The other two had their opportunities and didn't make it happen. I drafted a ton of Jaleel and that didn't work out. Estime is getting his shot and if he performs he will be the main back.

 

[Stoneworker]

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

It is clear as mud

Leading WR Courtland Sutton had zero targets in Week 7, but has averaged 10 in the past three weeks.

Payton designs plays and different personnel packages each week based on the opponent. He thrives on unpredictability.

Yes, he has wanted Estime to get more involved for some time. But he's said that about all his rookies (Franklin, Vele, Estime).

To go from there to "pretty clear which direction this is going" after a single week seems like an enormous stretch

Nope, it's pretty clear the direction this is going, apologies it's not what you want to happen. The other two had their opportunities and didn't make it happen. I drafted a ton of Jaleel and that didn't work out. Estime is getting his shot and if he performs he will be the main back.

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

 

[Monkian]

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

It is clear as mud

Leading WR Courtland Sutton had zero targets in Week 7, but has averaged 10 in the past three weeks.

Payton designs plays and different personnel packages each week based on the opponent. He thrives on unpredictability.

Yes, he has wanted Estime to get more involved for some time. But he's said that about all his rookies (Franklin, Vele, Estime).

To go from there to "pretty clear which direction this is going" after a single week seems like an enormous stretch

Nope, it's pretty clear the direction this is going, apologies it's not what you want to happen. The other two had their opportunities and didn't make it happen. I drafted a ton of Jaleel and that didn't work out. Estime is getting his shot and if he performs he will be the main back.

What would you project as the end result, if he performs? Tyrone Tracy went from 3rd string to taking 80% of the snaps. I have a hard time seeing Estime really seize the backfield to that extent.

 

[eighsse2]

I would bet on a marginal increase in usage if he doesn't get himself in the doghouse. Hoping for a takeover, though, as I have to start him this week.

Just for clarity, I assume when you say "a marginal increase", you mean a marginal increase over his usage prior to Sunday, i.e., a moderate decrease from this week. Not a marginal increase over what happened Sunday, as that essentially was a takeover.

Sorry, I mean over an increase over what just happened. Counting Mims snaps in the backfield, Estime took <50% of RB snaps. So I'm hoping like 55% of snaps, equaling a couple more carries, maybe a reception or two. When I said I'm hoping for a takeover, I was thinking along the lines of 70% of the snaps, but I don't think he'll get that kind of stranglehold this year.

Ohh, okay, talking about snaps that makes more sense. I was thinking in terms of carries.

 

[rodalive]

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

It is clear as mud

Leading WR Courtland Sutton had zero targets in Week 7, but has averaged 10 in the past three weeks.

Payton designs plays and different personnel packages each week based on the opponent. He thrives on unpredictability.

Yes, he has wanted Estime to get more involved for some time. But he's said that about all his rookies (Franklin, Vele, Estime).

To go from there to "pretty clear which direction this is going" after a single week seems like an enormous stretch

Nope, it's pretty clear the direction this is going, apologies it's not what you want to happen. The other two had their opportunities and didn't make it happen. I drafted a ton of Jaleel and that didn't work out. Estime is getting his shot and if he performs he will be the main back.

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

A hot take would be Javonte reclaiming the job outright this week.

Lots of focus on snaps. Touches were 14-3-2 on Sunday. Then Payton said after the game he wants him to get more work. He could screw up, but short of that it is pretty clear the direction that this is going. Low risk for me as a late draft pick I've held on to or picked up for cheap off the WW before this week.

It is clear as mud

Leading WR Courtland Sutton had zero targets in Week 7, but has averaged 10 in the past three weeks.

Payton designs plays and different personnel packages each week based on the opponent. He thrives on unpredictability.

Yes, he has wanted Estime to get more involved for some time. But he's said that about all his rookies (Franklin, Vele, Estime).

To go from there to "pretty clear which direction this is going" after a single week seems like an enormous stretch

Nope, it's pretty clear the direction this is going, apologies it's not what you want to happen. The other two had their opportunities and didn't make it happen. I drafted a ton of Jaleel and that didn't work out. Estime is getting his shot and if he performs he will be the main back.

What would you project as the end result, if he performs? Tyrone Tracy went from 3rd string to taking 80% of the snaps. I have a hard time seeing Estime really seize the backfield to that extent.

I don't see him taking the 3rd down snaps like Tracy so would agree. If he plays well he should consolidate most of the early down work which is valuable based on their upcoming schedule. Id be happy with a back end RB2 ROS.

 

[Stoneworker]

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

A hot take would be Javonte reclaiming the job outright this week.

Lol. Ok. That's not my hot take but whatever

Estime fumbled on his carry of the preseason, his first carry of the regular season, and his first game coming back from IR.

Do you think Payton is going to simply hand him the keys to the backfield with well-known ball security issues?

 

[rodalive]

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

A hot take would be Javonte reclaiming the job outright this week.

Lol. Ok. That's not my hot take but whatever

Estime fumbled on his carry of the preseason, his first carry of the regular season, and his first game coming back from IR.

Do you think Payton is going to simply hand him the keys to the backfield with well-known ball security issues?

If he starts fumbling again no, as I said this assumes he doesn't screw up.

It is clear Payton is ready to move on from Javonte. Estime has his chance and it's up to him to run with it.

 

[TheWinz]

In PPR leagues, Estime is going to be useless unless he starts catching passes. He carried the ball 14 times in week 10, good enough for 16th, but with no targets, he finished the week as RB42. Hell, he finished behind 3 different Chargers RB's.

 

[rodalive]

In PPR leagues, Estime is going to be useless unless he starts catching passes. He carried the ball 14 times in week 10, good enough for 16th, but with no targets, he finished the week as RB42. Hell, he finished behind 3 different Chargers RB's.

Or scores TDs. We shall see.

 

[Ray_T]

In PPR leagues, Estime is going to be useless unless he starts catching passes. He carried the ball 14 times in week 10, good enough for 16th, but with no targets, he finished the week as RB42. Hell, he finished behind 3 different Chargers RB's.

sometimes the dynamic is different once you become the starter but I get it.

typically I like to draft RB from winning teams for the very reason that game script can kill the value of your RB if the team isnt winning.

that said, if you are needy at the position and have an opening on your roster I see no harm in picking him up and parking him on your bench to see if anything comes of it. if it doesnt pan out, you can dump him for the next lotto ticket.

 

[Statorama]

Is it time to unload the FAAB here?

If you desperately need a RB, I'd say yes. I would imagine that most of the handcuff guys are gone, and that's essentially what he is here. Payton has really talked him up this year, so he'll have a bit of a leash.

On the danger side - there's no history of him being a big time pass catcher, and it's real easy to get into Sean Payton's doghouse if he gets 'fumbly'. I saw Sean Payton yell at Mark Ingram like he was a little kid and bench him for Tim Hightower after a crucial fumble.

 

[Jppaul]

in my limited fan-biased opinion...

i wouldn't count on ANY Denver player for FF.

It appears that HC is fully invested in building a great team for years to come, at the expense of this year. HC keeps playing WRs that I, a dumb fan, wouldn't benched or traded, trying to develop these guys. He has a nasty RBBC, again, looking to develop and see who he can count on going forward. Same with the TEs, but they were never viable for FF anyways.

As a fan, i find his process both frustrating and very exciting. Seems like he's taking the exact opposite approach of the recent past, which was... band-aids, win now, sacrifice the future (which they did, sacrifice).

for redraft, I'd trade away Broncos. For dynasty, maybe buy low on guys like Mims, Franklin and Vele. Specifically Franklin. He's very frustrating, but coach seems determined to develop

 

[Stoneworker]

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

A hot take would be Javonte reclaiming the job outright this week.

Lol. Ok. That's not my hot take but whatever

Estime fumbled on his carry of the preseason, his first carry of the regular season, and his first game coming back from IR.

Do you think Payton is going to simply hand him the keys to the backfield with well-known ball security issues?

If he starts fumbling again no, as I said this assumes he doesn't screw up.

It is clear Payton is ready to move on from Javonte. Estime has his chance and it's up to him to run with it.

First off, it is not clear one bit that Payton is "ready to move on" from Javonte. The snap count last week says this is most likely a hot hand/game flow type situation (at least until a clear winner emerges). And even though JW has struggled with consistency, he is a far better receiver and easily the RB room's best pass protector. He also has a history of responding well when his job is threatened.

Second, let's assume Javonte is toast like you say. What happens when Tyler Badie gets re-activated off IR? Remember him? The WW darling earlier in the year who everyone thought was going to be Denver's RB1? He's going to get another chance for sure.

Third, beyond Williams and Badie, you've got rookie Blake Watson who Payton was so high on that he put him on the original 53-man roster ahead of Badie. Watson will also get his chance if/when the time comes.

So this is far from a "Estime has a good game and all of a sudden the Denver backfield is his for the ROS" type situation.

 

[Stoneworker]

in my limited fan-biased opinion...

i wouldn't count on ANY Denver player for FF.

It appears that HC is fully invested in building a great team for years to come, at the expense of this year. HC keeps playing WRs that I, a dumb fan, wouldn't benched or traded, trying to develop these guys. He has a nasty RBBC, again, looking to develop and see who he can count on going forward. Same with the TEs, but they were never viable for FF anyways.

As a fan, i find his process both frustrating and very exciting. Seems like he's taking the exact opposite approach of the recent past, which was... band-aids, win now, sacrifice the future (which they did, sacrifice).

for redraft, I'd trade away Broncos. For dynasty, maybe buy low on guys like Mims, Franklin and Vele. Specifically Franklin. He's very frustrating, but coach seems determined to develop

Not sure I would agree with "at the expense of this year," but otherwise would completely agree that 2024 is one big audition for most position groups.

The Broncos played Moneyball in the offseason, acquiring a whole bunch of young, cheap, ascendant talent.

We just saw it play out at EDGE with Jonathon Cooper getting a massive new contract and Browning getting traded. Rinse and repeat at RB, WR and TE this offseason. But I don't believe Payton will sacrifice wins in the process.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I don't need Estime but, it feels like he holds enough "what if" value that, I'll put a modest bid in to try to keep him out of others hands. I won't break the bank.

 

[rodalive]

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

A hot take would be Javonte reclaiming the job outright this week.

Lol. Ok. That's not my hot take but whatever

Estime fumbled on his carry of the preseason, his first carry of the regular season, and his first game coming back from IR.

Do you think Payton is going to simply hand him the keys to the backfield with well-known ball security issues?

If he starts fumbling again no, as I said this assumes he doesn't screw up.

It is clear Payton is ready to move on from Javonte. Estime has his chance and it's up to him to run with it.

First off, it is not clear one bit that Payton is "ready to move on" from Javonte. The snap count last week says this is most likely a hot hand/game flow type situation (at least until a clear winner emerges). And even though JW has struggled with consistency, he is a far better receiver and easily the RB room's best pass protector. He also has a history of responding well when his job is threatened.

Second, let's assume Javonte is toast like you say. What happens when Tyler Badie gets re-activated off IR? Remember him? The WW darling earlier in the year who everyone thought was going to be Denver's RB1? He's going to get another chance for sure.

Third, beyond Williams and Badie, you've got rookie Blake Watson who Payton was so high on that he put him on the original 53-man roster ahead of Badie. Watson will also get his chance if/when the time comes.

So this is far from a "Estime has a good game and all of a sudden the Denver backfield is his for the ROS" type situation.

Didn't say it was Estime's job ROS, why did you put that in quotes? I said he's the one currently getting the opportunity and he will need to perform. The rest of that is you grasping at straws, you've really failed to make any kind of a stand here.

 

[Stoneworker]

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

A hot take would be Javonte reclaiming the job outright this week.

Lol. Ok. That's not my hot take but whatever

Estime fumbled on his carry of the preseason, his first carry of the regular season, and his first game coming back from IR.

Do you think Payton is going to simply hand him the keys to the backfield with well-known ball security issues?

If he starts fumbling again no, as I said this assumes he doesn't screw up.

It is clear Payton is ready to move on from Javonte. Estime has his chance and it's up to him to run with it.

First off, it is not clear one bit that Payton is "ready to move on" from Javonte. The snap count last week says this is most likely a hot hand/game flow type situation (at least until a clear winner emerges). And even though JW has struggled with consistency, he is a far better receiver and easily the RB room's best pass protector. He also has a history of responding well when his job is threatened.

Second, let's assume Javonte is toast like you say. What happens when Tyler Badie gets re-activated off IR? Remember him? The WW darling earlier in the year who everyone thought was going to be Denver's RB1? He's going to get another chance for sure.

Third, beyond Williams and Badie, you've got rookie Blake Watson who Payton was so high on that he put him on the original 53-man roster ahead of Badie. Watson will also get his chance if/when the time comes.

So this is far from a "Estime has a good game and all of a sudden the Denver backfield is his for the ROS" type situation.

Didn't say it was Estime's job ROS, why did you put that in quotes? I said he's the one currently getting the opportunity and he will need to perform. The rest of that is you grasping at straws, you've really failed to make any kind of a stand here.

And you haven't done squat to support your hot takes that "it's pretty clear which direction this is going" and "it is clear Payton is ready to move on from Javonte."

Nothing is clear. It was one game.

 

[rodalive]

Thanks. I'll file this away in the "hot take" folder

A hot take would be Javonte reclaiming the job outright this week.

Lol. Ok. That's not my hot take but whatever

Estime fumbled on his carry of the preseason, his first carry of the regular season, and his first game coming back from IR.

Do you think Payton is going to simply hand him the keys to the backfield with well-known ball security issues?

If he starts fumbling again no, as I said this assumes he doesn't screw up.

It is clear Payton is ready to move on from Javonte. Estime has his chance and it's up to him to run with it.

First off, it is not clear one bit that Payton is "ready to move on" from Javonte. The snap count last week says this is most likely a hot hand/game flow type situation (at least until a clear winner emerges). And even though JW has struggled with consistency, he is a far better receiver and easily the RB room's best pass protector. He also has a history of responding well when his job is threatened.

Second, let's assume Javonte is toast like you say. What happens when Tyler Badie gets re-activated off IR? Remember him? The WW darling earlier in the year who everyone thought was going to be Denver's RB1? He's going to get another chance for sure.

Third, beyond Williams and Badie, you've got rookie Blake Watson who Payton was so high on that he put him on the original 53-man roster ahead of Badie. Watson will also get his chance if/when the time comes.

So this is far from a "Estime has a good game and all of a sudden the Denver backfield is his for the ROS" type situation.

Didn't say it was Estime's job ROS, why did you put that in quotes? I said he's the one currently getting the opportunity and he will need to perform. The rest of that is you grasping at straws, you've really failed to make any kind of a stand here.

And you haven't done squat to support your hot takes that "it's pretty clear which direction this is going" and "it is clear Payton is ready to move on from Javonte."

Nothing is clear. It was one game.

Payton has previewed it, put it in action and reaffirmed it. You really struggle at comprehension.

 

[da_budman]

withyout posting a bunch of stats: Henry, brown/moss, Bijan, dobbins, kamara, mason, mattison, white/bucky, and now Estime.....Not a single one of them, including King Henry, rushed for over 60 yrds.....and for a decent ypc on KC, Quite honestly if I would consider benching all my rbs vs KC at this point. Estimes 3.8 ypc is actually quite decent by comparisson.