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RB MarShawn Lloyd, GB (1 Viewer)

satch said:
BobbyLayne said:
Agreet @Ilov80s

I look at in terms of roles. Everyone assumed in March "OK Jacobs is the new Aaron Jones."

At least I did. Then after Day 2 of the draft I realized, no, he's the new AJ Dillon.

Marshawn Lloyd is the new Aaron Jones.


"But they didn't give him 4-years $48M to split time."

The only GTD he received was the $12.5M signing bonus, which they're spreading over 5 years (void year.)

$0 GTD salary.
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I’m not sure I understand the logic behind saying Jacobs is the new Dillon while the old Dillon is still present and accounted for.

Are you suggesting Dillon has been so good LaFleur wants two of him?

Or that the old Dillon is going to be benched in favor of the new Dillon, who, by using inherent logic, would be no different than the old Dillon?

Seems to me, it’s more likely the old Dillon remains the current Dillon, while Jacobs is the new lead RB for the Packers.
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While invoking the name AJ Dillon I was referring to the role. Not the player, who is pretty washed. He might find a new role as a hybrid fullback. Local beats think he might get cut, but Dillon’s new 4-year deal is a pretty cheap option (>$1.3M.) He’s probably ahead of Emanuel Wilson; they’re likely to keep 3 on the 53-man and 1 on the practice squad.

To be as explicit as possible: Lloyd should be the RB2 but Jacobs is the clear RB1. In terms of how LaFleur has historically used his RBs, Lloyd is the new Aaron Jones. In terms of role (bigger thumper) JJ is the new AJ Dillon; unlike Mr Calves, he has talent & upside.

AJ Dillon (the player, not the role) is unlikely to be fantasy relevant in 2024 until an injury occurs to the top 2 backs.

Hope that clears up my projections for the Packers 2024 backfield for redraft purposes.
 
BobbyLayne said:
satch said:
BobbyLayne said:
Agreet @Ilov80s

I look at in terms of roles. Everyone assumed in March "OK Jacobs is the new Aaron Jones."

At least I did. Then after Day 2 of the draft I realized, no, he's the new AJ Dillon.

Marshawn Lloyd is the new Aaron Jones.


"But they didn't give him 4-years $48M to split time."

The only GTD he received was the $12.5M signing bonus, which they're spreading over 5 years (void year.)

$0 GTD salary.
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I’m not sure I understand the logic behind saying Jacobs is the new Dillon while the old Dillon is still present and accounted for.

Are you suggesting Dillon has been so good LaFleur wants two of him?

Or that the old Dillon is going to be benched in favor of the new Dillon, who, by using inherent logic, would be no different than the old Dillon?

Seems to me, it’s more likely the old Dillon remains the current Dillon, while Jacobs is the new lead RB for the Packers.
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While invoking the name AJ Dillon I was referring to the role. Not the player, who is pretty washed. He might find a new role as a hybrid fullback. Local beats think he might get cut, but Dillon’s new 4-year deal is a pretty cheap option (>$1.3M.) He’s probably ahead of Emanuel Wilson; they’re likely to keep 3 on the 53-man and 1 on the practice squad.

To be as explicit as possible: Lloyd should be the RB2 but Jacobs is the clear RB1. In terms of how LaFleur has historically used his RBs, Lloyd is the new Aaron Jones. In terms of role (bigger thumper) JJ is the new AJ Dillon; unlike Mr Calves, he has talent & upside.

AJ Dillon (the player, not the role) is unlikely to be fantasy relevant in 2024 until an injury occurs to the top 2 backs.

Hope that clears up my projections for the Packers 2024 backfield for redraft purposes.
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I get the skillset comp to an extent, though it seems to give Llyod much more credit than he’s earned while giving Jacobs much less.
 
satch said:
BobbyLayne said:
Agreet @Ilov80s

I look at in terms of roles. Everyone assumed in March "OK Jacobs is the new Aaron Jones."

At least I did. Then after Day 2 of the draft I realized, no, he's the new AJ Dillon.

Marshawn Lloyd is the new Aaron Jones.


"But they didn't give him 4-years $48M to split time."

The only GTD he received was the $12.5M signing bonus, which they're spreading over 5 years (void year.)

$0 GTD salary.
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I’m not sure I understand the logic behind saying Jacobs is the new Dillon while the old Dillon is still present and accounted for.

Are you suggesting Dillon has been so good LaFleur wants two of him?

Or that the old Dillon is going to be benched in favor of the new Dillon, who, by using inherent logic, would be no different than the old Dillon?

Seems to me, it’s more likely the old Dillon remains the current Dillon, while Jacobs is the new lead RB for the Packers, hand-picked by LaFleur based on his particular skill set, which isn’t currently possessed by anyone else on the team.
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I think it means that AJ Dillon sucks and is only still on the team as cheap insurance, not a guy that's going to have a notable role going forward, and they looked to fill that role with someone better.
 
steelcityman said:
I guess I just dont bye the hype. Is it due to a weak rookie RB class?
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Other than his vision, which I guess is a little questionable, seems like the perfect fit for the offense he was drafted into and what they want to do. So far, albeit before training camp, the reviews from within the Packers organization have been good. This is the year to be able to buy a RB like this low and potentially win big due to the low expectations overall of this year's RB class IMO. I'm in for sure.
 
BobbyLayne said:
satch said:
BobbyLayne said:
Agreet @Ilov80s

I look at in terms of roles. Everyone assumed in March "OK Jacobs is the new Aaron Jones."

At least I did. Then after Day 2 of the draft I realized, no, he's the new AJ Dillon.

Marshawn Lloyd is the new Aaron Jones.

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While invoking the name AJ Dillon I was referring to the role. Not the player, who is pretty washed. He might find a new role as a hybrid fullback. Local beats think he might get cut, but Dillon’s new 4-year deal is a pretty cheap option (>$1.3M.) He’s probably ahead of Emanuel Wilson; they’re likely to keep 3 on the 53-man and 1 on the practice squad.

To be as explicit as possible: Lloyd should be the RB2 but Jacobs is the clear RB1. In terms of how LaFleur has historically used his RBs, Lloyd is the new Aaron Jones. In terms of role (bigger thumper) JJ is the new AJ Dillon; unlike Mr Calves, he has talent & upside.

AJ Dillon (the player, not the role) is unlikely to be fantasy relevant in 2024 until an injury occurs to the top 2 backs.

Hope that clears up my projections for the Packers 2024 backfield for redraft purposes.
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I have a theory that, "the way LaFleur uses his RBs" isn't really a thing and was more just Aaron Jones related. I think they want (and have wanted) a 250+ carry RB all along, that was what they were hoping Dillon would be. I think they saw his size/speed and were hoping for their Derrick Henry, who LaFleur unlocked down the stretch in his 1 year in Tennessee.

LaFleur is a McVay disciple, and I think he'll see the same thing McVay saw, in the defenses are getting faster, and the way to combat that is double block runs up the middle, and less outside zone plays. That was what the Rams did last year, and we saw Kyren Williams explode. I also wonder slightly if Jones vet status/leadership was more important when they didn't trust their QB/WRs, and I think that's irrelevant now. I don't see the RBs getting much passing game work with all the talent GB has.

I like Lloyd a lot as a handcuff, but I think Jacobs sees no less than 65% of the touches, and I think he's a candidate to be run into the ground, because they could pivot to Lloyd in a future season.
 
Tough player to figure out at the next level. I mean, he looks good, but dude can't fumble like he did in college in the NFL. I have no idea if that is something that is fixable or not.
 
steelcityman said:
I guess I just dont bye the hype. Is it due to a weak rookie RB class?
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He's second round rookie draft pick, one I got as late as 2.9 in one start QB leagues, and a double digit redraft pick.

For reasons to like him he's low mileage, good receiving ability, was Jeremhia's #1RB in the class and plays for a head coach who likes to rotate his Rb's on a young and up and coming offense.

But I would not classify any of that as hype, he's being drafted like a high end handcuff/backup in redraft and possible future starter in dynasty.
 
In regards to the roles they envision for their offense the Packers for a very long time, prior to the current HC have made moves that show they want 2 RB to be used in tandem.

What they have said about Jacobs is that they see him in a role similar to when they had Eddie Lacy.

But remember when they drafted Lacy in the 2nd round they also drafted Johnathon Franklin in the 4th round. Franklin was injured and didnt play much before being injured. He was however regarded as a top 10 RB from that draft class and I have little doubt he would have had a significant role in the offense if he had not been injured. Considering that Lacy ate his way out of the NFL Franklin may have taken the lead RB job. He did have a 100 yard game on 13 carries.

The Packers had James Starks to take the COP role instead and his playing time did increase after Franklin was injured. The Packers at the time used Randall Cobb and then later Ty Montgomery in COP role. By Lacys 3rd season Starks got almost an even split in rushing attempts.

Then in 2017 the Packers drafted Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones in the same draft. Repeating this desire to have 2 RB in different roles. Eventually Jones proved himself to be the better option and they drafted Dillon to take over Williams role in the offense.

So while I agree with what BL is saying about the roles I still think the Packers plan to have another RB as COP to Jacobs.

Now I do think Jacobs is much better than Lacy or Dillon or Williams were/are (although not as good as Aaron Jones) I still think they work some other RBs in Lloyd or Dillon at times throughout the season.
 
I'm absolutely targeting Lloyd in PPR this season. With this WR corps stretching the field there's some great opportunities for him to do damage in the open field. He just needs to hold onto the ball.
 
Drake Hater said:
I'm absolutely targeting Lloyd in PPR this season. With this WR corps stretching the field there's some great opportunities for him to do damage in the open field. He just needs to hold onto the ball.
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Yeah, I like him a lot. Low center, rugged, shifty & decent speed. Smaller hands & it doesn't appear as though he compensates in any way. I care less about what happens out of the gate. It's what he does with the touches he does get. Eventually, the more oriented he becomes, the more he's the 'back with the fresher legs, the more I like his chances of just taking that thing. Tyrone Tracy & Kimani Vidal are behind weak leads that I also like.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Marshawn Lloyd’s ability to change direction is supremely impressive. There was one run, in particular, where there was nothing open up the middle and he jumped cut to the right to get to the outside in a flash.”
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Packers RB MarShawn Lloyd suffered a hamstring injury in Saturday’s preseason game against the Browns.
 
"RB MarShawn Lloyd said he's been pushing through a hamstring issue in camp and felt it pull while bouncing a run outside. "I've had hamstrings before, so I'll just rehab and get back as fast as I can," he said. Said he can walk on it OK, so he's hoping it's not bad."

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Severity-wise, seems as though the least concerning (a strain). Sometimes I only find out a guy has been playing hurt AFTER the season is over!
 
I like Lloyd. I had to pick between him and Davis in my Dynasty Rookie draft, but decided to go with Ray Davis on account of Lloyd's fumbling issues. You can be uber talented but if you're putting the ball on the ground, it's going to be a struggle to get into and stay in the starting lineup.

I don't know if he plays to his size of 220 lbs. His skillset seems more 3rd down back than somebody who is taking it between the tackles on 1st and 2nd down. He's got talent and can make plays, but I think the trouble is figuring out how to use him in anything more than a 3rd down back capacity. If there's anyone he can learn the ins and outs from, it's Josh Jacobs, but that hammy injury is surely doing him no favors in having an impact in year 1.


I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that he's only 3 years younger than Josh Jacobs who has been in the league for 5 years as a pro already. Like, it's not some kind of technicality either. Jacobs was born February 11, 1998 and Lloyd was born January 5, 2001. So Jacobs is actually just slightly less than 3 years older than Lloyd but already has 1,305 career NFL carries.
 
Peter Bukowski
Two key pieces of intel in here from @RobDemovsky: Rookie Marshawn Lloyd is expected to start the season on IR -- they can do that now without missing 2024 -- and there's a feeling inside the #Packers org the swing tackle isn't currently on the roster.
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Lloyd suffered a hamstring injury during the Packers’ first preseason game against the Broncos.

He has since been out and it’s been speculated that he would start on injured reserve to return after Week 4.

ESPN Packers reporter Rob Demovsky’s 53-man roster prediction has Lloyd starting the season on IR after missing a large chunk of training camp with a hip issue and much of the preseason with a hamstring issue.

AJ Dillon is once again the primary backup in Green Bay with Josh Jacobs leading the way. The Packers could still add a back after teams cut their rosters down if Lloyd is indeed placed on IR.
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The first preseason game was against the Browns. He didn't play in the second preseason game against the Broncos.
 
LLoyd has been out for over two weeks with his hamstring injury, after having a hip issue earlier in camp. He's missed most of training camp. AJ Dillon has missed the past week or so with a stinger. The good news is that with the new rules this season, teams can designate up to two players for IR before cutdown day who can to return during the season (although those two will count against the limit of 8 players who can return from IR during the season.) With the Packers opening their season next week Friday in Brazil, this is all likely good news for Emanuel Wilson who has looked fantastic this Spring. Wilson was otherwise likely to be a casualty today and may not have survived to make the Packers practice squad.
 
Graham Barfield
MarShawn Lloyd is not on PUP or I.R. He made the 53-man roster

He has hardly practiced all of August (hip/hamstring)

Still an awesome bench RB5-6 stash. With 5.6 Yards Created and 0.43 missed tackles forced per carry, Lloyd posted the top marks in the rookie class
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He can be the best RB from this draft class eventually. I just looked up 2024 rookie draft rankings for the first time last night and he was at 19th overall as RB5. That's a pretty low entry price for a player with top 15 startup potential. And while it may be a bit of a longshot, I do think Lloyd has that type of ceiling as a 220 pound back with plus speed and versatility. His ceiling is Kamara or Jacobs. League-winner type of guy.

Historically, I've been a pretty big Josh Jacobs supporter, even through the low points in his career. Jacobs is a legit every down starter. I don't predict Lloyd leapfrogging him any time soon. On the other hand, anything can happen in the NFL with injuries, off-field stuff, and player movement. Usually people overpay for rookie RB talent because of instant opportunity. It's refreshing to get a discount on a guy because he's buried with no route to immediate relevance.

I got burned in the past in similar situations waiting for a payoff that never came. I had some shares of Bernard Pierce, Christine Michael, and Bryce Brown. They never became anything useful. There's some risk of that with Lloyd, but I love the value for a mid-late 2nd round rookie pick. The key is to understand going in that this may be 2-3 year project. If you can afford to stash him for a few years and be patient, the payoff might be huge.

If you're going to live and die with the weekly news cycle, this probably isn't the player for you.
 
If this was an older veteran then the concern would be a heck of a lot less. Just hard for a rookie, in his first training camp, to miss that much time and be productive. On a side note, I know absolutely nothing about this kids mental makeup. Is he the Randall Pearson from This is Us and over prepares constantly? Or is he the Jamarcus Russell with no urgency? Who knows..
 
FarFromHome said:
If this was an older veteran then the concern would be a heck of a lot less. Just hard for a rookie, in his first training camp, to miss that much time and be productive. On a side note, I know absolutely nothing about this kids mental makeup. Is he the Randall Pearson from This is Us and over prepares constantly? Or is he the Jamarcus Russell with no urgency? Who knows..
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Well, this really made me go on a quest to find out more on Lloyd, as you can imagine the internet is full of opinions but, something that jumped out to me was this article(which I'm sure there are a lot of these fluff pieces, afterall you don't make the NFL w/o some obstacles to overcome).

However, this article delves into the mindset around his ACL injury (ctrl + f "ACL" if you want to skip to that part) and how he came back and at the very least he has a good endorsements throughout.

So I cut Brandin Cooks and got Marshawn Lloyd, I think its worth chasing the upside of a lotto pick and he actually is hovering around the double digit rounds. Even if the article confirms my bias to chase the upside.
 
Hartliner said:
FarFromHome said:
If this was an older veteran then the concern would be a heck of a lot less. Just hard for a rookie, in his first training camp, to miss that much time and be productive. On a side note, I know absolutely nothing about this kids mental makeup. Is he the Randall Pearson from This is Us and over prepares constantly? Or is he the Jamarcus Russell with no urgency? Who knows..
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Well, this really made me go on a quest to find out more on Lloyd, as you can imagine the internet is full of opinions but, something that jumped out to me was this article(which I'm sure there are a lot of these fluff pieces, afterall you don't make the NFL w/o some obstacles to overcome).

However, this article delves into the mindset around his ACL injury and how he came back and at the very least he has a good endorsements. So I cut Brandin Cooks and got Marshawn Lloyd, I think its worth chasing the upside of a lotto pick and he actually is hovering around the double digit rounds. Even if the article confirms my bias to chase the upside.
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Good find. Good post. Of course talent is huge. I'd say nearly all NFL players have talent so that's not in question. It's that mental, Jerry Rice like, approach that is so important.
 
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#Packers HC Matt LaFleur on how MarShawn Lloyd (hamstring) is looking:

“We’ll see. We’ll give him the week to watch him as he progresses. Certainly, we’re gonna be smart with him, and he was limited today, but he’s doing more and more, and we’ll see where he’s at.”
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Rob Demovsky
Rookie MarShawn Lloyd (hamstring) not with the running back group during pre-practice stretch. He was on the stationary bike and looks like a no go after practicing the last two days.

Everyone else went outside to practice.

First injury report for GBvPHI out later today.
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Adam Schefter
Packers rookie RB MarShawn Lloyd, listed as questionable due to a hamstring injury that prevented him from playing in Week 1, is expected to make his NFL debut today vs. the Colts, per source.
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Rookie RB that missed time in training camp. Already missed games. Now about to miss 4 more. Brutal start. Not like he is a seasoned veteran that can cruise on instinct when he comes back. Droppable in redraft now.
 
Man, this sucks. Drafted him late as a backup plan to Jacobs. I suppose he's droppable now, even in my (4) player keeper league.
 
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