RB Braelon Allen, NYJ (1 Viewer)

[WaltonGoggins]

This kid is a stud think he looks better than Hall once he completely figures it all out which could be much sooner rather than later he will outperm Hall. He already did yesterday YPC better and more rushing yards. I may regret not starting him over Steele in my 18 team league but going forward will be almost impossible keeping him out of my starting lineup.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Another miss for all the talking heads I put way too much faith in for rookie prospect evaluations. He looks like the guy he was being touted as 18+ months ago, the running back to own from this draft class.

 

[menobrown]

I like Allen, but I think that's a bit much. Without injuries, Pacheco, Brooks, and Chubb would be over him. I'd certainly argue Pollard over him too.

I totally disagree. Pacheco would not start over him. Allen's a better runner. His draft capital and his style and talent shine over Pacheco. Brooks I don't know about. Don't forget, when Allen first started stomping at Wisconsin, he was a phenom at seventeen.

Chubb is the best runner in football and Pollard is no slouch, so I won't argue for Allen over those guys. Tony Pollard looks like he's back after a year to heal. Chubb might never be Chubb again, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't mean that right now Allen wouldn't start for those three teams (Browns, Panthers, Chiefs). But starting over Pollard on the Titans is a stretch. Pollard and Spears are both really good backs.

Agree with all of this and will add I think Allen/Spears would be a better duo for the Titans then Pollard/Spears.

And I'm not giving Chubb the benefit of the doubt at his age with that injury.

 

[Big Nate]

Another miss for all the talking heads I put way too much faith in for rookie prospect evaluations. He looks like the guy he was being touted as 18+ months ago, the running back to own from this draft class.

I know what you are getting at but 3 games in is too early to say anything concrete. Landing spot, opportunity, role etc. is important for these RBs. No need to throw shade at anyone. Could have just said Allen is looking fantastic and is the early favorite as the RB to own.

Brooks is still coming off injury and knew it would take some time. Benson could still end up a good RB long term and Lloyd has been injured.

Allen could be that guy long term but why make a statement about the "talking heads"? 3 games doesn't make a career for anyone (Allen or the other RBs in this class).

 

[rockaction]

Brandon Jacobs lite vibes.

Better, I think. He's less upright.

He was taking some big head on pops like Brandon used to...both players sort of bounce off each other and he keeps going.

Yeah, he was and you're right. I was just saying I think he's got more lean to him and won't get stood upright like Jacobs used to (I used to follow the Giants pretty seriously along with the Jets and Raiders) in short yardage every so often. I remember that being a complaint about him. Allen doesn't look like he's getting stopped.

 

[rockaction]

Agree with all of this and will add I think Allen/Spears would be a better duo for the Titans then Pollard/Spears.

And I'm not giving Chubb the benefit of the doubt at his age with that injury.

I agree. I was just limiting my disagreement with travdogg to expound upon the other backs that are or were good ones.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

My keep-4 10-team PPR Superflex auction league has rules that incentivize keeping rookies from the previous year, so I spent my last $1 (of $250) on Allen in the auction. I actually needed to play him this week because of all my injuries at RB. I am holding tightly even if the big payoff doesn't come until 2026.

 

[Faust]

@ProFootballTalk

Jets rookie running back Braelon Allen says he fell to the fourth round of the draft because, "Everyone wanted to see me run in my underwear to decide if I was a good football player."

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[sushinsky4tsar]

Another miss for all the talking heads I put way too much faith in for rookie prospect evaluations. He looks like the guy he was being touted as 18+ months ago, the running back to own from this draft class.

I know what you are getting at but 3 games in is too early to say anything concrete. Landing spot, opportunity, role etc. is important for these RBs. No need to throw shade at anyone. Could have just said Allen is looking fantastic and is the early favorite as the RB to own.

Brooks is still coming off injury and knew it would take some time. Benson could still end up a good RB long term and Lloyd has been injured.

Allen could be that guy long term but why make a statement about the "talking heads"? 3 games doesn't make a career for anyone (Allen or the other RBs in this class).

I'm not sure who you think I'm singling out, but my reference to talking heads is plural because multiple analysts moved off of Allen over his final season at Wisconsin. He was on the radar, and then pretty much a collective "meh" after a disappointing final season. It's understandable. What else do you have to go off of when projecting a 19-year old kid for the next level? However, it's worth noting that he was absolutely in the spotlight as one of two or three guys to look out for from his draft class, and then largely removed from that tier and passed by RBs with less intriguing profiles.

One of a couple (or a few) guys to get from his draft class is a better statement than my previous statement of "the guy". I'm not sure "the guy" was ever the assessment at peak devy optimism. Nor am I trying to trigger anyone who selected Benson or Brooks, who hasn't even started yet. In fact, the period I'm thinking of was actually more about Allen and TreVeyon Henderson in the same sentence as guys to look out for.

4th round NFL draft capital. Kind of in no man's land. It was something, but apparently not enough for the analysts I follow to circle back and consider whether there was an overreaction to a disappointing final season. I'm sure round 3 capital would have made everyone take pause. A path stuck behind Bryce Hall didn't help either. It's a crapshoot for anyone, including those focusing their career around assessing college prospects. I don't fault anyone for moving guys with superior draft capital ahead of him. That's practical. It's a little more frustrating when the post-draft synopsis is, "I don't really have much to say about the Jets 238 lb 4th rounder, but this 6th rounder out of the Sunbelt on the other hand...."

There's a little bit of shade on that last one. If you could see my active and graveyard roster of RBs, I'm sure you would agree that I have earned that right.

 

[LawFitz]

My recollection of the pre-draft talk for this dude was that he had size but lacked vision and playmaking ability. Here are some of those sources...

PFF:

Allen is a super-sized running back prospect, and he will likely be a mid-round pick due to that and his age alone. However, his decision-making and feel for space leave much to be desired ... Allen will be one of the youngest players in the 2024 draft, 20 years old on draft weekend. His size pops out immediately at 6-foot-2 and 245 pounds. If you try to tackle him high, he’ll bounce right off you with good tackle-breaking ability.

He has nimble feet and impressive burst for his size. His long speed is also fine. His vision and decision-making are inconsistent, as he cuts in when he should bounce out and vice versa. For third-down abilities, his hands are good enough to be a receiving option, but his route diversity out of the backfield is limited.

NFL.com:

Overview​

Allen's splashy entry into college football had evaluators excited about what the end product might look like, but now there are more questions than answers. Allen has rare size on an imposing frame, and his production is nothing to scoff at. Evaluators will need to rely more heavily on his 2022 tape, where he ran with better decisiveness and instincts in a pro-style running attack. He's built to be a banger but needs to embrace a consistently physical style, as he lacks the footwork and hips to elude defenders with finesse. Allen will compete for a role as a two-down backup but could bolster his chances for success if he plays at a lighter weight, to improve his quickness.

Strengths​

• Enormous runner with overbearing, athletic build and impressive production.
• In 2021 and 2022, showed he could trust his eyes and run with more decisiveness than he did in 2023.
• Can play bumper cars with tacklers in space to add up yards after contact.
• Has build-up speed in the open field and throws his stiff-arm like a boxer's jab.
• Instinctive in short yardage, with high success rate on short-yardage carries.
• Good understanding of protection duties and has size to square and stop the blitz.

Weaknesses​

• Below-average burst to race through the line of scrimmage.
• Tight-hipped with lethargic change of direction in tight spaces.
• Would like to see more ferocity finishing runs to send messages.
• Slow to accelerate after a cut and lacks general escapability.
• Carries the football away from his body, leading to fumbles.

All four bolded weaknesses above seem way off to my eye watching him in the NFL so far.

 

[WaltonGoggins]

Another miss for all the talking heads I put way too much faith in for rookie prospect evaluations. He looks like the guy he was being touted as 18+ months ago, the running back to own from this draft class.

I know what you are getting at but 3 games in is too early to say anything concrete. Landing spot, opportunity, role etc. is important for these RBs. No need to throw shade at anyone. Could have just said Allen is looking fantastic and is the early favorite as the RB to own.

Brooks is still coming off injury and knew it would take some time. Benson could still end up a good RB long term and Lloyd has been injured.

Allen could be that guy long term but why make a statement about the "talking heads"? 3 games doesn't make a career for anyone (Allen or the other RBs in this class).

Three games is more than plenty for a RB I thought yesterday was a good measuring stick since he already scored 2 TDs prior game so there's no we didn't game plan for him situation. His average per carry was better than Hall and had more rushing yards. The eye test doesn't lie on RB.

 

[Big Nate]

Another miss for all the talking heads I put way too much faith in for rookie prospect evaluations. He looks like the guy he was being touted as 18+ months ago, the running back to own from this draft class.

I know what you are getting at but 3 games in is too early to say anything concrete. Landing spot, opportunity, role etc. is important for these RBs. No need to throw shade at anyone. Could have just said Allen is looking fantastic and is the early favorite as the RB to own.

Brooks is still coming off injury and knew it would take some time. Benson could still end up a good RB long term and Lloyd has been injured.

Allen could be that guy long term but why make a statement about the "talking heads"? 3 games doesn't make a career for anyone (Allen or the other RBs in this class).

I'm not sure who you think I'm singling out, but my reference to talking heads is plural because multiple analysts moved off of Allen over his final season at Wisconsin. He was on the radar, and then pretty much a collective "meh" after a disappointing final season. It's understandable. What else do you have to go off of when projecting a 19-year old kid for the next level? However, it's worth noting that he was absolutely in the spotlight as one of two or three guys to look out for from his draft class, and then largely removed from that tier and passed by RBs with less intriguing profiles.

One of a couple (or a few) guys to get from his draft class is a better statement than my previous statement of "the guy". I'm not sure "the guy" was ever the assessment at peak devy optimism. Nor am I trying to trigger anyone who selected Benson or Brooks, who hasn't even started yet. In fact, the period I'm thinking of was actually more about Allen and TreVeyon Henderson in the same sentence as guys to look out for.

4th round NFL draft capital. Kind of in no man's land. It was something, but apparently not enough for the analysts I follow to circle back and consider whether there was an overreaction to a disappointing final season. I'm sure round 3 capital would have made everyone take pause. A path stuck behind Bryce Hall didn't help either. It's a crapshoot for anyone, including those focusing their career around assessing college prospects. I don't fault anyone for moving guys with superior draft capital ahead of him. That's practical. It's a little more frustrating when the post-draft synopsis is, "I don't really have much to say about the Jets 238 lb 4th rounder, but this 6th rounder out of the Sunbelt on the other hand...."

There's a little bit of shade on that last one. If you could see my active and graveyard roster of RBs, I'm sure you would agree that I have earned that right.

Some good points here and I think you outlined many of the concerns or at least what some were thinking. I just don't think it is fair to throw shade at those "analysts" nor give them too much praise when they are correct.

Side note: we all read/listen to different people in the football and fantasy world. Lots of people miss but when those people I trust miss, I ask why. Was their reasoning sound they just missed on a guy or are they out to lunch and I need to re-evaluate.

Seems there were more guys out on Allen than were in. 4th round draft capital and behind Hall. There was also early chatter about Isaiah Davis looking good. He dropped in many rookie drafts, sometimes into the 4th round.

My takeaway is, the reasoning was sound on why he should drop but maybe he dropped too far. I don't think many people thought he would be getting this many carries this early.

I'm never out on a guy, just sometimes it is too costly, but this is one where I maybe moved Allen too far down and I should have considered him earlier in the draft. Now I have to pay more to get him to back up Hall.

 

[Scooby1974]

Hall owners, what’s your asking price?

I'm confused. Why would anybody pay an RB1 price for a split-share guy at best? I get why the owner wouldn't move him, but he's not going to get his asking price.

dynasty?

 

[rockaction]

Hall owners, what’s your asking price?

I'm confused. Why would anybody pay an RB1 price for a split-share guy at best? I get why the owner wouldn't move him, but he's not going to get his asking price.

dynasty?

Yep, even dynasty. You're basically hoping for injury or playing for '26. Or you think he supersedes Hall. None of those are great bets. I'd bet the expected value of all three combined don't beat a coin flip. So is it worth giving up what the original inquirer called "high-end RB1" prices? That seems masochistic.

Plus, his scenario was strange. It assumed that you had Allen if you had Hall in dynasty. That's not how it works, and I can assure people of that. Granted, if I'd had picks in the middle rounds this year, I'd have had Allen as a Hall GM, but not until at least the second round had passed. Not drafting him into that situation with Hall without knowing he had this kind of talent. And in the third round, everything is a little bit more up for grabs, especially in our league, which drafts in early to mid-May (after draft, but way before camp).

eta* I will say that in that league, as soon as I looked and saw who acquired him, my heart sort of sunk a bit. (Well, that's overly dramatic.) Let's back up. I winced because that person has nobody at running back and I knew they would see Allen and hang on for dear life to him. Bummer.

 

[The Dude]

Obviously I can't know for certain but it seems like the last 2 years have been some hard miles for Hall

 

[Faust]

@scoutdnfl
Teams really saw a 6’1/235lbs 20-year-old RB with this kind of footwork and said….

“Nah we’re good until round 4.”

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Not to mention he ranked

#1 in CFB in rush yards vs. 8+ man boxes in 2021/2022

#1 in rush yards after contact in the power 5 since 2021

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My pre-draft scouting report:

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[rockaction]

He's 6'1" and 235? My ***, dude. That guy's 250.

Carson Steel(e) is 6'1" 228 (KC and NFL have him at 6'0). Perine is 5'11", 236 lbs.

I'm having a hard time believing 235 here. He is lean, so that's fair, but still . . . he big.

 

[Faust]

Braelon Allen 2024 NFL Draft: Combine Results, Scouting Report For New York Jets RB

 

[rockaction]

Braelon Allen 2024 NFL Draft: Combine Results, Scouting Report For New York Jets RB

Faust sets it straight. Wonder if Allen lost weight to make himself more agile. That's what I was really wondering when I saw that pic.

Maybe he is just a lean body guy. Uh . . . I'm still sticking with closer to 250 (I wanted to cheat and say 245, but I won't) than 235.

eta* I was thinking before this post that Faust is back at it, giving you guys that want it the golden information. Keeping threads up, posting about college players only a few of us will read, and all that stuff.

MVP, bro. MVP. We appreciate you.

 

[VikingFrog]

Allen was just traded for Higgins in my league straight up.

Redraft. The Higgins owner owned Breece and was heavy at WR. The Allen team had 3 confidently starting RBs.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Braelon Allen 2024 NFL Draft: Combine Results, Scouting Report For New York Jets RB

Faust sets it straight. Wonder if Allen lost weight to make himself more agile. That's what I was really wondering when I saw that pic.

Maybe he is just a lean body guy. Uh . . . I'm still sticking with closer to 250 (I wanted to cheat and say 245, but I won't) than 235.

eta* I was thinking before this post that Faust is back at it, giving you guys that want it the golden information. Keeping threads up, posting about college players only a few of us will read, and all that stuff.

MVP, bro. MVP. We appreciate you.

I have no idea what numbers to believe, all I know is he's a cotdam truck and I haven't seen any NFL player run in such a "Hulk SMASH" kind of way like this in a long time.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Allen was just traded for Higgins in my league straight up.

Redraft. The Higgins owner owned Breece and was heavy at WR. The Allen team had 3 confidently starting RBs.

Win-Win then…

 

[Dark Matter]

Allen was just traded for Higgins in my league straight up.

Redraft. The Higgins owner owned Breece and was heavy at WR. The Allen team had 3 confidently starting RBs.

I’ve got Allen and Higgins owner has Hall. I need to see Tee on the field before pulling the trigger on the offer.

 

[satch]

Carson Steel vs Allen in all formats?

 

[JohnnyU]

Carson Steel vs Allen in all formats?

Allen obviously in dynasty. Allen probably in redraft, because if Hall were to go down (God forbid), he would be worth more than Steele and it isn’t close. I think it is playing whack-a-mole with the Chiefs RBs.

 

[kyoun1e]

For value assessment purposes, how high does B. Allen jump in the RB ranks ROS as of right now?

Thinking maybe RB 30ish?

For example, would you rather have a J. Williams, Z. White, N. Harris...or Allen?

 

[Faust]

Paul Andrew Esden Jr.
#Jets HC Robert Saleh told a hilarious Braelon Allen story.

Allen is 240 pounds & Saleh was going over the data & said if he could just lose 10 pounds maybe he could pick up another tenth of a second or a mph on his GPS.

The team nutritionist told Saleh that @BraelonAllen ‘is only 6% body fat, he has no fat to lose.’

@nyjets #JetUp

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[Uncle Leo]

He and Breece look terrible today. Is the Vikes D this good?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

He and Breece look terrible today. Is the Vikes D this good?

Hackett’s playcalling is that bad.

 

[Monty Burns]

O Line not playing very well either.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Rodgers has too much power. He and his man love for Hackett and Lazard are going to be the end of this short era, including the HC. Hackett does not belong on the NFL.

 

[BladeRunner]

Rodgers has too much power. He and his man love for Hackett and Lazard are going to be the end of this short era, including the HC. Hackett does not belong on the NFL.

nor Lazard.

 

[BladeRunner]

He and Breece look terrible today. Is the Vikes D this good?

Is it Hacket? Or is it Hall? Hall looks like he's not giving 100% effort out there. Wonder if something is physically wrong with him.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Should we hang on to Allen? I am sure we all will have decisions to make in the near future as we look to build our bench. Breece owners don’t want Allen. Heck, they don’t even want Breece at this point.

 

[BladeRunner]

Should we hang on to Allen? I am sure we all will have decisions to make in the near future as we look to build our bench. Breece owners don’t want Allen. Heck, they don’t even want Breece at this point.

Absolutely hang on to Allen. I think Breece is now on shaky ground. It appears to me that he doesn't seem to be the same player. He doesn't appear to be giving 100% to me. Now, whether that's physical or mental I don't know but it looks like it to me and that's going to open the door for Allen.

 

[dipandglide]

Should we hang on to Allen? I am sure we all will have decisions to make in the near future as we look to build our bench. Breece owners don’t want Allen. Heck, they don’t even want Breece at this point.

Absolutely hang on to Allen. I think Breece is now on shaky ground. It appears to me that he doesn't seem to be the same player. He doesn't appear to be giving 100% to me. Now, whether that's physical or mental I don't know but it looks like it to me and that's going to open the door for Allen.

No way Breece is on shaky ground. He hasn't been great, but you can say that about the NYJ's as a whole. You could argue the Jets aren't succeeding because Hall isn't getting enough touches. Feed Breece the Beast!

Allen is a "what the heck flex" with handcuff upside. It's hard to imagine there are better lotto tickets on the WW.

 

[BladeRunner]

Should we hang on to Allen? I am sure we all will have decisions to make in the near future as we look to build our bench. Breece owners don’t want Allen. Heck, they don’t even want Breece at this point.

Absolutely hang on to Allen. I think Breece is now on shaky ground. It appears to me that he doesn't seem to be the same player. He doesn't appear to be giving 100% to me. Now, whether that's physical or mental I don't know but it looks like it to me and that's going to open the door for Allen.

No way Breece is on shaky ground. He hasn't been great, but you can say that about the NYJ's as a whole. You could argue the Jets aren't succeeding because Hall isn't getting enough touches. Feed Breece the Beast!

Allen is a "what the heck flex" with handcuff upside. It's hard to imagine there are better lotto tickets on the WW.

Maybe, but what I'm seeing is someone who's not giving 100% effort whether that's due to a physical ailment, a mental one or both. If it continues I think Allen gets a closer look.

 

[chad in Indy]

Should we hang on to Allen? I am sure we all will have decisions to make in the near future as we look to build our bench. Breece owners don’t want Allen. Heck, they don’t even want Breece at this point.

Absolutely hang on to Allen. I think Breece is now on shaky ground. It appears to me that he doesn't seem to be the same player. He doesn't appear to be giving 100% to me. Now, whether that's physical or mental I don't know but it looks like it to me and that's going to open the door for Allen.

Dont see that. The play calling is terrible. There's no creativity on the Run calls. It's the O- line not doing their job, but just as much the OC not getting creative with the blocking schemes.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Is Allen worth keeping around in a redraft as a non-Hall Owner?

I'm wondering if I should put a claim in on Mark Andrews, Njoku, Pop Douglas, etc over him.

 

[Big Nate]

Is Allen worth keeping around in a redraft as a non-Hall Owner?

I'm wondering if I should put a claim in on Mark Andrews, Njoku, Pop Douglas, etc over him.

I'd take those guys over Allen right now if you need a guy in redraft.

Obviously if Hall gets injured he's waiver wire #1 pickup. All depends on your bench/league size and if you can afford to hold a lottery ticket.

If you need points now or have to deal with byes/injuries you might have to make a move.

All comes down to your league. Yes it would suck if you drop him and Hall gets hurt but it also sucks if you lose and don't make playoffs.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Is Allen worth keeping around in a redraft as a non-Hall Owner?

I'm wondering if I should put a claim in on Mark Andrews, Njoku, Pop Douglas, etc over him.

I'd take those guys over Allen right now if you need a guy in redraft.

Obviously if Hall gets injured he's waiver wire #1 pickup. All depends on your bench/league size and if you can afford to hold a lottery ticket.

If you need points now or have to deal with byes/injuries you might have to make a move.

All comes down to your league. Yes it would suck if you drop him and Hall gets hurt but it also sucks if you lose and don't make playoffs.

Very fair! I ended up keeping him. I am 4-2 and in a good spot so don't need any of those guys. Although I have to admit it was difficult not spending any FAAB $ (First time this season I didn't make a WW move).

I've kept Allegier and Allen this long, I might as well keep em' and be ready if Bijan or Hall get hurt.

 

[Mitchie]

yeah no longer can be used as a possible flex play, purely a handcuff now, may have to drop him this week due to injuries but will hold if I can

 

[kyoun1e]

yeah no longer can be used as a possible flex play, purely a handcuff now, may have to drop him this week due to injuries but will hold if I can

I'm holding...until I absolutely can't.

This offense is going to roll now and if B. Hall goes down...

 

[JohnnyU]

yeah no longer can be used as a possible flex play, purely a handcuff now, may have to drop him this week due to injuries but will hold if I can

I'm holding...until I absolutely can't.

This offense is going to roll now and if B. Hall goes down...

Wise if you have room.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Time to drop him?

 

[Uncle Leo]

Time to drop him?

Had to this morning to pick a TE for Jake’s bye week. Don’t have Breece and he’s not a player that you can start. I thought it was trending that way early in the season, but Hall is now dominating again.

 

[Fat Nick]

Time to drop him?

He'll be my swap out for any waiver claims I make.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

There's so many WW guys I want to pick up, but my most likely drop candidate is Allen. Just when I am about to do it, I think about Breece being one tackle away from Allen being an RB1.

I'm keeping him but it's a pain in the but not improving the roster otherwise.

 

[urbanhack]

There's so many WW guys I want to pick up, but my most likely drop candidate is Allen. Just when I am about to do it, I think about Breece being one tackle away from Allen being an RB1.

I'm keeping him but it's a pain in the but not improving the roster otherwise.

This might make you feel better..

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[Mitchie]

There's so many WW guys I want to pick up, but my most likely drop candidate is Allen. Just when I am about to do it, I think about Breece being one tackle away from Allen being an RB1.

I'm keeping him but it's a pain in the but not improving the roster otherwise.

in the same boat, hard to get over the FOMO