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RB Brian Robinson Jr. - WAS (1 Viewer)

I thought he looked ok. Realllllly slow but we knew he wasn’t close to a burner. He should get some back as he puts the injury further behind him. Very powerful downhill runner who will be a force at the goal line if the team is ever competent around him. I was trying to think of a comp and have landed on Jeremy Hill. Of course Hill had a good OL, somewhat competent qb, and AJ Green to help him.

I’m with @menobrown here. He’s the early down back on a terrible team with a terrible OL terrible qb and terrible coaching staff. In the short term I think you’re looking at a lot of 15/63 1/8 and hope he scores lines. More of a bye week filler than a rb2. I hope I’m wrong as I’ll have to use him a few more times.

I do think he can catch the ball given the opportunity. He won’t take the passing back role from McKissic obviously but he shouldn’t be a 0 there. I saw him run option routes confidently in college and he looks comfortable catching it in warmups. He got out a few yards downfield on a 3rd and short and was pretty frustrated Wentz ate a sack instead of throwing to him. The other time I saw him get out the brilliant Wash offense had him and Samuel 2 feet from each other and Samuel got the pass. The way the Bears were rushing the qb, the game was screaming for a screen pass but alas the Commanders coaches couldn’t figure that out.
 
Gibson just straight droppable now isn’t he?
Maybe - he looked way better than Robinson did though. For some reason Rivera and staff are desperate to replace Gibson though.
Sure...but he (and well really that whole team the past 3 weeks) really have been meh as far as starting any of them. Have Gibson and Robinson...and yeah, it appears they are going to let Robinson go with it no matter what. Just hate holding them both at this point (and have Samuel as well who was at least getting targets til last night.
Wentz and the O just look awful.
 
Gibson just straight droppable now isn’t he?

I already did that to pick up KW3 on waivers this week. I like Gibson but his team doesn't seem to share that feeling. I also cut Herbert for Eno and that early 64 yard run had me wincing.
For whatever reason...nobody picked up Eno. Ive contemplated it...wished I had rather than playing Monty last night (won't start Eno over Aaron Jones or CMC)...and he posssibly has only short term value (either way, he is likely my drop to activate Dak in a few weeks).
 
Gibson just straight droppable now isn’t he?
Maybe - he looked way better than Robinson did though. For some reason Rivera and staff are desperate to replace Gibson though.
This is easy, Gibson has fumbling problems. Robinson may not be better than Gibson to some, but he is to the staff and that's all that matters.

Robinson is a guy who can get 20 carries for a 100 yards and not fumble. He sustains drives where fumbles are drive killers.
 
Gibson>>>Robinson last night. One ran for 3.5 ypc and the other 7. Really glad that the kid is ok and has returned to the lineup but he didn’t look like the best rb on the Commanders last night despite feeding him all game.
Gibson has ball security issues and as long as Rivera is the coach Gibson will be the back up. Since you are a Gibson owner you have to pray for Rivera to get fired.
 
It is odd to me that Washington seems bent on getting away from Gibson. He was the best guy on the field last night in the short time I could stomach watching. I guess Robinson overtook him in preseason, so maybe Robinson is just knocking the rust off? If I had Gibson in dynasty, he'd be a hold for his next team for sure. Right now I have Robinson and Gibson and they just steal each other's value like Herbert/Monty right now. Hard to count on w/o injury.
 
Gibson>>>Robinson last night. One ran for 3.5 ypc and the other 7. Really glad that the kid is ok and has returned to the lineup but he didn’t look like the best rb on the Commanders last night despite feeding him all game.
Pretty weird statement when focused on just the running. The two of them had one long run (16 & 18yds). Other than that they were both bottled up. Gibson's avg stats were higher because he only ran 5 times.

If it stays the way it went last night I would say Gibson is droppable and Robinson is a desperation start. Robinson could improve if they ever throw to him. For now, the team/line/coach is a mess.
 
I had Gibson on one dynasty team but traded him and Kittle for Pollard and Njokou over the summer.

It's just obvious to me who the better RB is.
 
Gibson>>>Robinson last night. One ran for 3.5 ypc and the other 7. Really glad that the kid is ok and has returned to the lineup but he didn’t look like the best rb on the Commanders last night despite feeding him all game.
Pretty weird statement when focused on just the running. The two of them had one long run (16 & 18yds). Other than that they were both bottled up. Gibson's avg stats were higher because he only ran 5 times.

If it stays the way it went last night I would say Gibson is droppable and Robinson is a desperation start. Robinson could improve if they ever throw to him. For now, the team/line/coach is a mess.
he's a running back with 0 receptions, what am I supposed to focus on? they force fed him the ball against one of the worst rush defenses in the league and he did pretty poorly.
 
The fact that anyone wants Robinson, Gibson or any freaking player on WAS other than maybe McLaurin on their roster is a travesty. And McLaurin is a big maybe. You guys realize this team puts up like 250 yards and 17 points per game. And they've played the easy part of their schedule. And Gibson is an awful RB. He's great anywhere away from linemen. But unfortunately part of being a RB is running around and through linemen.
 
This thread is the classic discussion of know-it-alls claiming "OMG Gibson is way more talented." The reality is this is B-Rob's backfield now and he will carry the mail probably the rest of the season. This is what the coaching staff wants. B-Rob is clearly showing better signs of life behind closed doors vs. what Gibson is. Maybe Gibson isn't a hard worker. Maybe he's got a bad attitude. Who knows? We don't know.

It's clear as day that Gibson as of this moment does not have a role or a future with this team. Will he get traded?
 
MoP editorial coming

Robinson carried it 17 times and was the guy they went to immediately in the red zone
Gibson carried it 5 times and he wasn't making the difference in a 7-6 football game. Did he ever get 2 carries in a row or sustain a drive that ended in a TD or score?
Robinson was not flashy but when there was a hole he would hit it and move forward for positive yards. This OL is not good at all, seemed like Robinson had a DL/LB/S almost ready to tackle him every time he touches the football, wasn't until the 4th Q when he found some better space to work thru and his TD was a 2-carry, 2 run/COMBO event where Wentz threw a block for him on 1st and goal and he went from the 5 down to the 1, Rivera says do it again on 2nd and goal from the 1-yd line and BOOM they scored the TD...that's what you want and that's NOT gonna happen with Gibson and you can bark and cry foul and say he did better last night but he ABSOLUTELY DID NOT and in my redrafts where I have Robinson, people are asking me about potential trades this morning, doubt Gibson investors are getting any of those calls.

This MoP editorial has been brought to you by Pepto-Bismol, now in new berry flavor
 
Gibson>>>Robinson last night. One ran for 3.5 ypc and the other 7. Really glad that the kid is ok and has returned to the lineup but he didn’t look like the best rb on the Commanders last night despite feeding him all game.
Pretty weird statement when focused on just the running. The two of them had one long run (16 & 18yds). Other than that they were both bottled up. Gibson's avg stats were higher because he only ran 5 times.

If it stays the way it went last night I would say Gibson is droppable and Robinson is a desperation start. Robinson could improve if they ever throw to him. For now, the team/line/coach is a mess.
he's a running back with 0 receptions, what am I supposed to focus on? they force fed him the ball against one of the worst rush defenses in the league and he did pretty poorly.
I just meant it was a weird take that Gibson was way better than Robinson but to only talk about the running. They did the same in that regard. Gibson just hardly ran so his YPC was higher. If you brought in the reception idea I could see your point. From a running standpoint, they were both equally blah.
 
The guy who fumbled multiple games away last year

Seems a bit hyperbolic, since he lost 4 fumbles and Taylor Heineckie was the team's starting QB. I'm not saying losing 4 fumbles is good but did his fumbles really cost them "multiple games"?

I think Robinson is a solid North-South runner but mostly a JAG. I'm rooting for him now based on what happened to him but you acting like it's some huge stretch to say Gibson is the better RB shows the bias you tried to imply that I had. Irony.

ETA: Willing to take the bet that I own Gibson?
 
Got me 12PTS liked what I saw. I might have 4 legit Backs with Cook/Pierce/Wilson/BRob now with Etienne there as well. Plenty of Depth at WR too from Hill/Devonta Smith/K Allen/Renfrow/Pickens.
I color coded the combos I would put together to try and grab a 2-4-1 with the intention of upgrading a starter.
Who wants Renfrow? Hollins was playing over him in 2WR sets now.
I thought it was a straight up redraft, @DJackson10 posted back that information but I appreciate you asking for some clarity there.
Wilson is a guy that is riding some good games but many will want to move him before the 1st or 2nd week of November when Mitchell returns.
Not everyone is a smart as you Doc ;)
 
As a Washington fan I was bummed we won last night. This team's line, coaching staff, and QB play isn't good enough to win enough games to make the playoffs, so I'd MUCH rather tank and get a good pick in a deep draft. That win last night will cost us a top 5 pick, just watch. And instead of benching Wentz so we can keep our 2nd next year and see if we have a future QB in Howell we'll probably turn to Heineke at some point, who we already know is a career backup. Oh what I wouldn't give to get rid of Dan, Ron, and the entire coaching staff.
 
The guy who fumbled multiple games away last year

Seems a bit hyperbolic, since he lost 4 fumbles and Taylor Heineckie was the team's starting QB. I'm not saying losing 4 fumbles is good but did his fumbles really cost them "multiple games"?

I think Robinson is a solid North-South runner but mostly a JAG. I'm rooting for him now based on what happened to him but you acting like it's some huge stretch to say Gibson is the better RB shows the bias you tried to imply that I had. Irony.

ETA: Willing to take the bet that I own Gibson?
He fumbled 6 times actually. Led the league in non QB fumbles.
 
He fumbled 6 times actually. Led the league in non QB fumbles.
Yes, and only 4 were lost. Did the other 2 that were recovered by his own team also cause them to "lose multiple games"?
In Rivera's eyes watching Gibson put the ball on the ground so many times really seems to inspire confidence in him. You know like drafting a RB in the third the next year, anointing the rookie the starter, the starter getting shot, immediately making Robinson the starter when he's healthy.

Edit: forgot giving Robinson more carries in his first game as the starter then Gibson had while he was the starter this year
 
He fumbled 6 times actually. Led the league in non QB fumbles.
Yes, and only 4 were lost. Did the other 2 that were recovered by his own team also cause them to "lose multiple games"?
In Rivera's eyes watching Gibson put the ball on the ground so many times really seems to inspire confidence in him. You know like drafting a RB in the third the next year, anointing the rookie the starter, the starter getting shot, immediately making Robinson the starter when he's healthy.

Edit: forgot giving Robinson more carries in his first game as the starter then Gibson had while he was the starter this year

I don't disagree that Robinson will the main ball carrier going forward (and I never said otherwise) - there was a reason I looked to trade Gibson away during the offseason.

You just seem so hung up by one simple statement where I said Gibson looks like the better RB.
 
Gibson just straight droppable now isn’t he?
Maybe - he looked way better than Robinson did though. For some reason Rivera and staff are desperate to replace Gibson though.
Agree

The only good drive Washington had all night was when Gibson was in. Gibson basically gets them down to the 10 and then they pull him and put Robinson back in. FG

I stayed away from Washington on everything related to FF this year, so no bias there. Gibson just looked way more dynamic last night. Should be a 50/50 at worse. No way should Robinson be getting a 17/5 carry ratio moving forward.
 
No way should Robinson be getting a 17/5 carry ratio moving forward.
Would you mind sharing or unwrapping why you feel this way?
I'm not trying to set you up but I am having a hard time understanding that statement so I want clarity. Are you implying that the Washington Coaches will go back and watch game film and come to the conclusion that Gibson needs to be more involved each week in their game plan?

Is it going to shock you if the ratio remains close to say 3:1 with Robinson leading the way?
The message coming out of Washington has been crystal clear almost since the day they drafted Brian Robinson and certainly since camp opened.

Fans can feel whatever they want and I have been in the camp of "What the bleep are the coaches thinking?"
-MoP would be trying to acquire Robinson and has already, in most redrafts i picked him up a week or two earlier than when the FF sites were urging folks to take a look.

There are things/decisions that override what we fans believe sometimes. Some of you could be right, maybe Gibson is the better RB or perhaps he was a little better last night BUT nothing he did last night is going to elevate him to flipping the tables on Touch Ratio right now. Robinson would have to start putting the football on the ground and I'm sure they've let it be known why he is unseating Gibson as the starter there, ball security as many have outlined.

The Washington Coaches do not speak about Gibson the way some of you describe and that's a major problem since none of you run the team :D
 
One guy was a Juco WR who finished at Memphis in the same role.

The other was a 4-star Alabama product who carved up SEC defenses like Swiss cheese.

Washington will use both going forward to keep the chains moving, but Robinson is better suited to be a bell-cow back and I think that's what the coaching staff wants from him.
 
Gibson>>>Robinson last night. One ran for 3.5 ypc and the other 7. Really glad that the kid is ok and has returned to the lineup but he didn’t look like the best rb on the Commanders last night despite feeding him all game.
BRob was able to get the tough yards last night. Gibs got loose for one good 18 yard carry, but that was the extent of it.
 
No way should Robinson be getting a 17/5 carry ratio moving forward.
Would you mind sharing or unwrapping why you feel this way?
I'm not trying to set you up but I am having a hard time understanding that statement so I want clarity. Are you implying that the Washington Coaches will go back and watch game film and come to the conclusion that Gibson needs to be more involved each week in their game plan?

Is it going to shock you if the ratio remains close to say 3:1 with Robinson leading the way?
The message coming out of Washington has been crystal clear almost since the day they drafted Brian Robinson and certainly since camp opened.

Fans can feel whatever they want and I have been in the camp of "What the bleep are the coaches thinking?"
-MoP would be trying to acquire Robinson and has already, in most redrafts i picked him up a week or two earlier than when the FF sites were urging folks to take a look.

There are things/decisions that override what we fans believe sometimes. Some of you could be right, maybe Gibson is the better RB or perhaps he was a little better last night BUT nothing he did last night is going to elevate him to flipping the tables on Touch Ratio right now. Robinson would have to start putting the football on the ground and I'm sure they've let it be known why he is unseating Gibson as the starter there, ball security as many have outlined.

The Washington Coaches do not speak about Gibson the way some of you describe and that's a major problem since none of you run the team :D
Because based on what I saw last night, Robinson is not a dominent RB and Gibson looked better.

Robinson looks like a plodder and although I have read that Robinson can catch the ball, odd that they didn't target him once. Just doesn't look like the kind of player who should be the dominent back, when somebody like Gibson is available. McKissic got nothing last night in the passing game either. Washington got a TD only because Velus Jones fumbled at the 5 so not like giving Robinson 17 carries was something that was working. And this against a team that I believe was 29th against the run coming into the game.

Rivieria and his staff may love Robinson and will stick with him, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Riveria hasn't exactly been killing it since he became coach of Washington. He did have 3 really good seasons in Carolina but those are his only three winning seasons in 11 plus years as a coach. Maybe his decision making is part of the problem.
 
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Seriously... is there any one on either of these teams that is actually startable in FF? Even Scary Terry is part of the dumpster fire.
 
Seriously... is there any one on either of these teams that is actually startable in FF? Even Scary Terry is part of the dumpster fire.
Yeah, McLaurin going to waste is just a shame. Such a good player

He's the only Washington player I have in 8 leagues. I sat him last night in one of my FBG leagues even though I'm short handed this week with injuries and byes. Decided to switch him out for Njoku as a flex play at last minute. Usually my last minute changes don't work out, but looks like I got this one right.
 
When Rivera walks down the steps and opens the white door, what the heck is going on in that room?


Not related exactly to BRob but I woulda hate to see what Rivera said if they lost the game
I didn't hear anything he said about Robinson from last night.
The Count Room of course

 
I think the argument about which one is the better back is kind of meaningless. They're two completely different types of players. Robinson looks like a grinder to me. He'll get the tough yards but probably not break off a lot of big plays. I thought he was a decent receiver coming out of college but they haven't thrown a single pass to him in two games so far. He has a pretty low ceiling and if he doesn't get a TD he's pretty worthless in fantasy. Gibson is the guy they need to get the ball to in space. He has a higher ceiling but a lower floor. Until the Commies get a real QB I don't think either of them is startable in fantasy except as a bye week fill in.

This is kind of a poor mans version of the Jacksonville backfield.
 
My take on Robinson/ Gibson and their performances last night. First the plusses for Robinson.... While he got off to a bad start with that line and his first 2 series" starting with his back in the endzone those early numbers should be HIGHLY disregarded. After that he settled in and got alot of tough yards. I found it extremely noteable that even though Gibson had a nice series they could have easily ridden the "hot hand" but didnt. The fumbles must have seriously damage Gibsons chances going forward. Also good for Robinson is that he got the GL touchs. It really appears line going forward they want Robinson to be the 1st and 2nd down back but not the 3rd. Limiting his upside also is the team overall isnt very good and without a passing game the running lanes will be pretty closed up. Also in 2 games not a single target so in half and full PPR leagues he may very well be TD dependent since it doesnt seem like he has the speed to be a high yardage back. He seems like he will be much more valuable in standard leagues. Still for a first start I was mostly impressed (especially with his usage)...
 

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