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RB Cam Akers, Free Agent (5 Viewers)

Explaining I'm not going to discuss isn't discussion, champ. If I was discussing it further
You’d probably also include something like this to make one final point “If your options are a RB who tore his Achilles versus one who hasn't, you take the one that hasn't. If you disagree, I'm sorry but you're wrong and I won't waste my time having the discussion.”

:lol:

And it’s a discussion board. I can continue to discuss it as long as I like. You’re not in charge here, “champ”.

Again, I wish you luck, and I’ll be back in week 12 to see how your Henderson predictions are going. I think that’s fair.

Ps - I continue to not be high on Akers, but thank you for the irrelevant link.

I never said you couldn't respond, I said I was going to stop responding back to an argument about a decade long trend of RBs not being able to return to form after tearing their Achilles. I come here to give knowledge, if people can dispute my worldview I embrace it, but in this instance unfortunately medical science cannot save Cam Akers. Discuss to your heart's content.


God bless, seriously, no hard feelings. It's just one player were discussing in a vacuum. I've read your other posts, you're smart dude with good reputation here. Not trying to be an a-hole, lol, in a meeting at work. We can rehash Week 12, 100%. If I am wrong about Akers, it would be unprecedented.
 
I said I was going to stop responding back to an argument about a decade long trend of RBs not being able to return to form after tearing their Achilles
Yes, and then you posted a whole other paragraph saying I was wrong and you were right *after* saying we should agree to disagree. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should own that.

If I was an a-hole, I apologize. The bottom line is, a Runningback has never come back from an Achilles tear. You can't find one in the entire history of the league. On these boards, there is always an exception to the rule / argument. This is the one thing that literally has NEVER happened. That's why I'm so flippant not to discuss it.


If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG. There is not one instance you can point out where a Runningback has come back from this type of injury longterm. To burn a 4th Round pick and hope that something happens that has NEVER happened, doesn't make sense to me and not the way I run my fantasy teams. I am simply suggesting, that the Runningback who can be had in the 10th Round and produced when given opportunity last year that can serve as your RB3/FLEX is the less risky pick.


That's my stance. If Akers breaks a decade long trend, that's great, I can still win my league without him.
 
If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG
But I didn’t.

I agree with you about Akers.

I only disagree that Henderson is going to be the man in LA. IMO, he is what he is, and he bruises like a grape.

Again, good luck. You weren’t an a-hole, you just seemed to want to get your last digs in while preemptively shutting down any possible reply from me by executive decree, and that’s just not how it works around here.

Again, I wish you luck.
 
If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG
But I didn’t.

I agree with you about Akers.

I only disagree that Henderson is going to be the man in LA. IMO, he is what he is, and he bruises like a grape.

Again, good luck. You weren’t an a-hole, you just seemed to want to get your last digs in while preemptively shutting down any possible reply from me by executive decree, and that’s just not how it works around here.

Again, I wish you luck.
:potkettle:
 
Kyren Williams?: Did not play in any preseason game and coming off a foot injury where he started camp on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

5th Round, runs about a 4.7 in the 40 and couldn't possibly be at the same speed as Akers and Henderson, both of them multiple seasons now in McVay's offense and Coach Sean said he has been keeping Akers and Henderson under bubble wrap until the season starts. He spoke the other day about Henderson specifically and how he needs to be "available" for the Rams, he sprained his MCL last year after a decent start to the season and then watched Michel slowly eat away his job, it was sad.


MoP Madness POV: Akers is coming of the achilles' and I believe it will be tough sledding but I don't think it's going to be the massacre that others do. And the talk of some of these guys 3rd and 4th on the depth chart, I would expect a trade for someone NOT on the roster if both Akers and Henderson go down.

I love the banter back and forth but let's try and look thru the eyes of a Super Bowl winning coach that has his depth charts out now for the season and at this moment in time it feels like they are going with the Akers/Henderson show, that was the plan last year and they won the Super Bowl even though these 2 guys were not pivotal in them making it to the SB.

Redraft vs Dynasty, the tug of war feels like it is going in that direction
 
I said I was going to stop responding back to an argument about a decade long trend of RBs not being able to return to form after tearing their Achilles
Yes, and then you posted a whole other paragraph saying I was wrong and you were right *after* saying we should agree to disagree. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should own that.

The bottom line is, a Runningback has never come back from an Achilles tear. You can't find one in the entire history of the league. On these boards, there is always an exception to the rule / argument. This is the one thing that literally has NEVER happened. That's why I'm so flippant not to discuss it.
This is incorrect. The article you posted is almost 10 years old. 10 years is forever and Foreman looked more than fine last season.
 
If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG
But I didn’t.

I agree with you about Akers.

I only disagree that Henderson is going to be the man in LA. IMO, he is what he is, and he bruises like a grape.

Again, good luck. You weren’t an a-hole, you just seemed to want to get your last digs in while preemptively shutting down any possible reply from me by executive decree, and that’s just not how it works around here.

Again, I wish you luck.

I think you have a blindspot here. Here are Henderson's stats in PPR from last year, this is the upside you're getting from a 10th Round pick:
Henderson in PPR Scoring Last Year:

Week 1 15.7
Week 2 17.2
Week 3 0.00 (DNP)
Week 4 16.6
Week 5 16.9
Week 6 24.7
Week 7 9.4
Week 8 22.3
Week 9 8.8
Week 10 8.1
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 17.3


You wouldn't be happy with those stats as your RB2/RB3? I owned him last year and he was AWESOME. That offense is constantly in the redzone. He averaged 15.7 PPG from Week 1 to Week 12. Then, the wheels fell off and he got hurt. But that was 10 weeks of quality production.
 
I said I was going to stop responding back to an argument about a decade long trend of RBs not being able to return to form after tearing their Achilles
Yes, and then you posted a whole other paragraph saying I was wrong and you were right *after* saying we should agree to disagree. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should own that.

The bottom line is, a Runningback has never come back from an Achilles tear. You can't find one in the entire history of the league. On these boards, there is always an exception to the rule / argument. This is the one thing that literally has NEVER happened. That's why I'm so flippant not to discuss it.
This is incorrect. The article you posted is almost 10 years old. 10 years is forever and Foreman looked more than fine last season.

Start at thread about it, pal. Not going to waste my time with somebody who is calling out a 10 year old article, I posted a 10 year old article on purpose, bud. If you can't understand that nuance, then I don't feel the need to explain it.


Google search, "Running Back Achilles" and you can find articles about it from the past 20-30 years. Also, not going to discuss Foreman, I like discussing players who are fantasy relevant.
 
You wouldn't be happy with those stats as your RB2/RB3?
The season isn’t 12 games long.

How’d Hendo so weeks 13 -> ?

Not great, Bob.

This is your response? Please stop responding if this is going to your consistent level of intellectual intellgience. You are ignoring 10 Weeks of RB1/RB2 production because he got hurt. News flash, mf, runningbacks get hurt, as long as it's not an Achilles it's usually not a big deal. The list of RBs who DIDN'T miss any games is shorter than the ones who did.


Henderson was a late pick last year that gave you 10 games of RB1/RB2 production. The fact that you won't acknowledge is a huge red flag, stay humble, homie.
 
I said I was going to stop responding back to an argument about a decade long trend of RBs not being able to return to form after tearing their Achilles
Yes, and then you posted a whole other paragraph saying I was wrong and you were right *after* saying we should agree to disagree. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should own that.

The bottom line is, a Runningback has never come back from an Achilles tear. You can't find one in the entire history of the league. On these boards, there is always an exception to the rule / argument. This is the one thing that literally has NEVER happened. That's why I'm so flippant not to discuss it.
This is incorrect. The article you posted is almost 10 years old. 10 years is forever and Foreman looked more than fine last season.

Start at thread about it, pal. Not going to waste my time with somebody who is calling out a 10 year old article, I posted a 10 year old article on purpose, bud. If you can't understand that nuance, then I don't feel the need to explain it.


Google search, "Running Back Achilles" and you can find articles about it from the past 20-30 years. Also, not going to discuss Foreman, I like discussing players who are fantasy relevant.
Yeah, that's better. Let's go back even further to 20-30 years ago on medical issues. lol. Also, Foreman was fantasy relevant last season filling in for Henry and, if history is any indicator, will be again this year filling in for CMC.
 
If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG
But I didn’t.

I agree with you about Akers.

I only disagree that Henderson is going to be the man in LA. IMO, he is what he is, and he bruises like a grape.

Again, good luck. You weren’t an a-hole, you just seemed to want to get your last digs in while preemptively shutting down any possible reply from me by executive decree, and that’s just not how it works around here.

Again, I wish you luck.
:potkettle:
Exactly.
 
There has never been a RB to recover from an Achilles' to return to anything even close to what he was before the injury. D'onta Foreman? yeah took him like 4 years to do so. Marlon Mack? lol. yeah OK.
Has there ever bee
I said I was going to stop responding back to an argument about a decade long trend of RBs not being able to return to form after tearing their Achilles
Yes, and then you posted a whole other paragraph saying I was wrong and you were right *after* saying we should agree to disagree. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should own that.

The bottom line is, a Runningback has never come back from an Achilles tear. You can't find one in the entire history of the league. On these boards, there is always an exception to the rule / argument. This is the one thing that literally has NEVER happened. That's why I'm so flippant not to discuss it.
This is incorrect. The article you posted is almost 10 years old. 10 years is forever and Foreman looked more than fine last season.
Plus Akers was only 21 years old when he tore his. Typically those injuries happen to older RB's so yeah it's generally the final nail in the coffin for most RBs. Not saying Akers is going to be the same guy he was pre injury but think it's way too early to write him off.
 
GUYS!! DERRICK HENRY ONLY PLAYED 8 GAMES LAST YEAR. HE'S UNDRAFTABLE!! HE PLAYED EVEN LESS GAMES THAN HENDERSON!! TAKE HIM OFF THE LIST, I DON'T CARE WHAT HE PRODUCES WHEN HEALTHY!! ACCCORDING TO PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD, WE COMPLETELY WRITEOFF WHAT A PLAYER DOES WHEN HEALTHY IF THEY GET HURT.



HENDERSON ONLY PLAYED IN 12 OF 17 GAMES LAST YEAR. SUCH A LEMON!!
 
HENDERSON ONLY PLAYED IN 12 OF 17 GAMES LAST YEAR. SUCH A LEMON!!
Still waiting for you to share how he did weeks 13 ~>

You know, since you were definitively proving to me he was great last year and saying I was wrong.

:whistle:


In 2019, Henderson played 13 of 16 games.
In 2020, Henderson played 15 of 16 games.
in 2021, Henderson played 12 of 17 games.


He's missed 9 games in 3 years. He's played 40 of 49 games or 81% of contests he's been eligible. Guy can't stay healthy though!!
 
I’ve set a reminder to bump this in week 12.
Says the guy who calls people crazy stalkers for quoting his posts. Man, HSG just always needs to get the last word in. Loves "proving people wrong", and runs and calls people names when someone tries to prove him wrong. Incredible.
 
If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG
But I didn’t.

I agree with you about Akers.

I only disagree that Henderson is going to be the man in LA. IMO, he is what he is, and he bruises like a grape.

Again, good luck. You weren’t an a-hole, you just seemed to want to get your last digs in while preemptively shutting down any possible reply from me by executive decree, and that’s just not how it works around here.

Again, I wish you luck.

I think you have a blindspot here. Here are Henderson's stats in PPR from last year, this is the upside you're getting from a 10th Round pick:
Henderson in PPR Scoring Last Year:

Week 1 15.7
Week 2 17.2
Week 3 0.00 (DNP)
Week 4 16.6
Week 5 16.9
Week 6 24.7
Week 7 9.4
Week 8 22.3
Week 9 8.8
Week 10 8.1
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 17.3


You wouldn't be happy with those stats as your RB2/RB3? I owned him last year and he was AWESOME. That offense is constantly in the redzone. He averaged 15.7 PPG from Week 1 to Week 12. Then, the wheels fell off and he got hurt. But that was 10 weeks of quality production.
Where you are getting Henderson is great value this year. 10th seems to be his sweet spot and I would much rather have him there than Akers in the 6th. Before the injury last year, I thought people were crazy drafting him in the late 1st, early/mid 2nd. I just didn't see the talent.

I wouldn't want Henderson as a #2 or even #3 RB but love him as a #4 and if Akers looks anything like he did last year in the playoffs, Henderson will be a great value where you are getting him.
 
Well Akers just survived the Sony Michel scare as he's off to the Chargers. That's a good first step.
If Michel was a threat to Akers, then Akers shouldn't be part of anyone's championship strategy.
No, but signing Michel could be a sign of Akers' health and could take away a bit of production from him. Didn't mean he'd surpass him, but could have cut into it.
 
If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG
But I didn’t.

I agree with you about Akers.

I only disagree that Henderson is going to be the man in LA. IMO, he is what he is, and he bruises like a grape.

Again, good luck. You weren’t an a-hole, you just seemed to want to get your last digs in while preemptively shutting down any possible reply from me by executive decree, and that’s just not how it works around here.

Again, I wish you luck.

I think you have a blindspot here. Here are Henderson's stats in PPR from last year, this is the upside you're getting from a 10th Round pick:
Henderson in PPR Scoring Last Year:

Week 1 15.7
Week 2 17.2
Week 3 0.00 (DNP)
Week 4 16.6
Week 5 16.9
Week 6 24.7
Week 7 9.4
Week 8 22.3
Week 9 8.8
Week 10 8.1
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 17.3


You wouldn't be happy with those stats as your RB2/RB3? I owned him last year and he was AWESOME. That offense is constantly in the redzone. He averaged 15.7 PPG from Week 1 to Week 12. Then, the wheels fell off and he got hurt. But that was 10 weeks of quality production.
Where you are getting Henderson is great value this year. 10th seems to be his sweet spot and I would much rather have him there than Akers in the 6th. Before the injury last year, I thought people were crazy drafting him in the late 1st, early/mid 2nd. I just didn't see the talent.

I wouldn't want Henderson as a #2 or even #3 RB but love him as a #4 and if Akers looks anything like he did last year in the playoffs, Henderson will be a great value where you are getting him.
Akers going round 4/5, so that makes your decision even easier there.
 
I wouldn't want Henderson as a #2 or even #3 RB but love him as a #4 and if Akers looks anything like he did last year in the playoffs, Henderson will be a great value where you are getting him.
I actually agree with this.

Though I'd rather have Hendo if he slides past his ADP as a 5th or 6th RB. He would be on my list of zero RB strategy backs for sure, but I'm pessimistic he gives you more than a dozen games, and some of them will be sub-par. Which is exactly what he did last year.
 
If you picked the Akers to return to form or the comparable argument for the past 20 - 30 years, you would have been WRONG
But I didn’t.

I agree with you about Akers.

I only disagree that Henderson is going to be the man in LA. IMO, he is what he is, and he bruises like a grape.

Again, good luck. You weren’t an a-hole, you just seemed to want to get your last digs in while preemptively shutting down any possible reply from me by executive decree, and that’s just not how it works around here.

Again, I wish you luck.

I think you have a blindspot here. Here are Henderson's stats in PPR from last year, this is the upside you're getting from a 10th Round pick:
Henderson in PPR Scoring Last Year:

Week 1 15.7
Week 2 17.2
Week 3 0.00 (DNP)
Week 4 16.6
Week 5 16.9
Week 6 24.7
Week 7 9.4
Week 8 22.3
Week 9 8.8
Week 10 8.1
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 17.3


You wouldn't be happy with those stats as your RB2/RB3? I owned him last year and he was AWESOME. That offense is constantly in the redzone. He averaged 15.7 PPG from Week 1 to Week 12. Then, the wheels fell off and he got hurt. But that was 10 weeks of quality production.
Where you are getting Henderson is great value this year. 10th seems to be his sweet spot and I would much rather have him there than Akers in the 6th. Before the injury last year, I thought people were crazy drafting him in the late 1st, early/mid 2nd. I just didn't see the talent.

I wouldn't want Henderson as a #2 or even #3 RB but love him as a #4 and if Akers looks anything like he did last year in the playoffs, Henderson will be a great value where you are getting him.
Akers going round 4/5, so that makes your decision even easier there.
For sure

He went 5.10 in our 14 teamer on Sunday, so 6th round if you equate to a 12 teamer which ADPs are based on. Guess this league shares my distain for him

He went 5.2 and 6.2 in the last two FBG drafts I have done. Haven't seen him in the 4th for a while
 
I wouldn't want Henderson as a #2 or even #3 RB but love him as a #4 and if Akers looks anything like he did last year in the playoffs, Henderson will be a great value where you are getting him.
I actually agree with this.

Though I'd rather have Hendo if he slides past his ADP as a 5th or 6th RB. He would be on my list of zero RB strategy backs for sure, but I'm pessimistic he gives you more than a dozen games, and some of them will be sub-par. Which is exactly what he did last year.
You can say that about a lot of RBs though, both from an injury standpoint and having sub par games. He was pretty solid last year through week 10, with 3 games I would call "sub par" (below 10 PPR points).
 
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He went 5.2 and 6.2 in the last two FBG drafts I have done. Haven't seen him in the 4th for a while
Akers went mid-3rd in my home league, and was off the board in the 3rd, 4th and 4th in my 3 NFC leagues.

Wow. No wonder you ended up with a good team ;)

I guess the FBG drafters aren't as high on him as others. We will see who is right shortly. I just can't see drafting him even close to that early, especailly after McVay made the comments about co-#1 RBs
 
Well Akers just survived the Sony Michel scare as he's off to the Chargers. That's a good first step.
If Michel was a threat to Akers, then Akers shouldn't be part of anyone's championship strategy.
No, but signing Michel could be a sign of Akers' health and could take away a bit of production from him. Didn't mean he'd surpass him, but could have cut into it.
Or a sign they really like Williams
 
What's kind of funny about him going late 5th in that about half the league follows ADP fairly closely. Not a lot of straying and he still fell a decent amount past his ADP in a RB starved draft.

Almost like he was being ostricized :ponder:
 
I guess the FBG drafters aren't as high on him as others. We will see who is right shortly. I just can't see drafting him even close to that early, especailly after McVay made the comments about co-#1 RBs
To be fair, the NFC league teams were all well before that comment. And while both were out with undisclosed "soft" injuries as described at the time.
 
Well, this thread is productive.
My most liked post of all time was telling HSG and Deamon to shut up and walk away in the Gabriel Davis thread the other day.

It’s still racking up likes.

Take it to the DMs if you want to bicker back and forth.
Congratulations on your likes, you must be very proud.

Yes he finally put me on ignore. He's the first person to go after someone's posts when they're wrong and want them to admit it (see above), yet you do it to him and he's got a million excuses in the book.
 
obsessing over something I said

So no, I won’t “agree to disagree”,

Maybe you should own that.

you just seemed to want to get your last digs in and that’s just not how it works around here.

You lost that one bro.

you’re wrong

I’ve set a reminder to bump this in week 12. Good luck with Henderson.
😂 Not sure I've ever heard of someone as hypocritical in my life.
 
That was 3 full years after his tear - and he looked ok, not anything special.
Off-topic, sort of, but I think he's a better handcuff than Chubba. His expected short yardage work gives him some value, and he looked pretty good last year. Definitely ahead of the curve, Achilles recovery expectations-wise. The extra time undoubtedly helped.
 
I got a feeling Akers is going to turn into one of those habitual "my knee has a boo boo" kind of guys.


Meanwhile, Henderson is getting undervalued due to what Akers COULD be.
Isn't that who Henderson already is?

I like RBs who haven't torn their Achilles, thank you.

Aug 23, 2021 Henderson was diagnosed with a mild thumb sprain when he injured his hand at practice. He did not miss any game
Sep 19, 2021 Henderson sustained rib cartilage during Week 2's contest at Indianapolis. He missed one game
Dec 1, 2021 Henderson tended to have a thigh issue ahead of Week 13 game against the Jaguars.
Dec 26, 2021 Henderson suffered an MCL sprain in Week 16's victory over the Vikings. He landed on IR and missed five games

Meanwhile, Cam Akers returns from a torn Achilles in 6 months and he's got the boo-boos...🙂
 

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