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RB Cam Akers, Free Agent (5 Viewers)

ghostguy123 said:
Very disappointed. No indication there would be no usage
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you didn't pay attention to preseason reports about the guy I guess. dude can't cut except on his good foot. his camoe appearances tonight tell you all you need to know about the faith the Lambs staff has in him.
DH is the guy, Cam might not be on the team for long.
 
Tanner9919 said:
ghostguy123 said:
Very disappointed. No indication there would be no usage
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you didn't pay attention to preseason reports about the guy I guess. dude can't cut except on his good foot. his camoe appearances tonight tell you all you need to know about the faith the Lambs staff has in him.
DH is the guy, Cam might not be on the team for long.
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Why would they go into the season with his as even the backup? Doesn't make sense.
 
jtd13 said:
I'll believe McVay runs a time share when I see it. He's said he's going to run a RB timeshare multiple times in other offseasons and then the games start. My prediction is Akers has 65+% of snaps and touches on Thursday.
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Hey look, I was right on something at least! No timeshare here!
Just ignore the crossed out part 😂
 
Nothing like starting my championship caliber season (against the team that beat me in the semis last year) with a big goose egg :doh::<_<:.
 
Cam Akers is most likely a hold for most though, but I think you have to sit him until you see some life.
Also can be said maybe someone one day later has a draft day regret and just wants out.

Consensus Best Case Scenario for Cam Akers: he was limited by soft tissue injury and not the Achilles... so maybe you buy low as it is in the range of outcomes.

Sellers: Anyone that owns Cam have some range of what they would take?
Buyers: Do they exist? What would you send to get him at the most?

My personal knee jerk and prolly wrong overreaction to 1 week is that Cam is clearly not the FantasyPros consensus 21st best RB(around Josh Jacobs /Chase Edmonds) but actually more around the RB 36-40th range(around Michael Carter/Nyheim Hines types)
 
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I'm probably about to accept a deal that really amounts to Akers for a 2023 2nd rounder (likely in the back half of the draft). I thought he was overrated after his rookie season, and the Achilles injury really scared me, but I let the consensus thoughts rule the day. I think I'm ready to cash out for whatever I can get. The deal is me sending out Kittle and Akers for Ertz, 2023 1st, and a 2023 2nd.
 
I'm not as concerned about Akers as much as for Allen Robinson. The rb usage could have been a game script thing. Hendo is very reliable in the pass game. Next game could be completely different.

Granted, people who took Akers in redraft paid too much. I said yesterday this could be a frustrating rb situation. I say this is the case rather than Hendo is the man in LA. But maybe such case won't make Akers owners feel completely better tho, who expected late 2020 usage out of him.
 
mcintyre1 said:
I'm probably about to accept a deal that really amounts to Akers for a 2023 2nd rounder (likely in the back half of the draft). I thought he was overrated after his rookie season, and the Achilles injury really scared me, but I let the consensus thoughts rule the day. I think I'm ready to cash out for whatever I can get. The deal is me sending out Kittle and Akers for Ertz, 2023 1st, and a 2023 2nd.
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Someone willing to buy Akers and kittle for that right now is rather surprising to me. Probably a good move.
 
Full disclosure—fantasy wise—I have no horse in the Akers (or Rams) race. Not by choice—it just ended up that way. Would have loved Kupp—but wasn’t able to get him. I wanted Henderson (as he was good for me last season)—but I mismanaged my auction draft budget and missed on him too. I will say that I am a Rams fan and do root for them.
With the disclosures aside—I wasn’t super optimistic about Akers going into this season and I’m certainly not optimistic about him after last night. The Rams offense looked very “meh” outside of Kupp. Stafford didn’t look great, Akers looked horrid, Allen Robinson surprised me with how little separation he was able to achieve, and Henderson looked decent. For me—the parameters required for an RB1/RB2 to be solid considerations to start are that they either need to have upside in regards to workload, potential td production, or be really good at pass catching in ppr formats. Looking at Akers—-after week 1–it is very difficult to trust anything but a small to medium workload. In regards to potential td production—he has Cupp to contend with as well as Henderson. Lastly—in regards to pass catching—I personally think Henderson is better at it. All in all—while I think it is early to say that Akers is ”done” or he is “toast”—I do think that he has put his owners in a tough spot of having to bench him until he proves some upside in the categories that I just mentioned. I do think the real decision comes when he inevitably has a game where he looks better than he did last night—and his owners need to figure out if they use that as an opportunity to move on from him and trade him away—or if they think that he’ll start to trend his production upwards from that point forward.
 
I have warned caution about Cam Akers, but we may actually be entering buy-low territory with last night's dud. A panicked Akers owner might sell low. What would you be willing to offer to acquire Akers in re-draft or dynasty?
 
A guy in one of my leagues gave the farm for him, lol. Just checked and he gave up his entire 2023 draft for Akers. ( 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th). The guy giving up the picks was.
4 -10 last year.
 
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massraider said:
Sean McVay said RB Cam Akers has to maximize his opportunities when he gets into the game.
Sean McVay on RB Cam Akers: "There were some instances where there were some positive things and some things that he can do better, but we want to see just an increased level of urgency and accountability snap in and snap out from him.”


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He has to play with more urgency….on the 2 carries & 1 backwards pass?

McVay says a lot of dumb things, but this might well be the dumbest. How’s a dude gonna play with urgency if he’s not getting carries?

Weird statement.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
massraider said:
Sean McVay said RB Cam Akers has to maximize his opportunities when he gets into the game.
Sean McVay on RB Cam Akers: "There were some instances where there were some positive things and some things that he can do better, but we want to see just an increased level of urgency and accountability snap in and snap out from him.”


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He has to play with more urgency….on the 2 carries & 1 backwards pass?

McVay says a lot of dumb things, but this might well be the dumbest. How’s a dude gonna play with urgency if he’s not getting carries?

Weird statement.
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He was being disingenuous. Probably annoyed he has to even pretend to think that Akers is about to bust a run and is on the roster as a formality. His lack of carries tells me he wasn't lighting it up in practice. Walter Payton wouldn't have done anything with the 3 touches that Cam Akers got last night.


I guess defenses knew they were going to run the ball to him? That backwards pass by Matt Stafford looked like he was actively trying to sandbag him. :lol:
 
I will say one positive thing about him though. On the reverse pass, he did make a nice juke/cut to shake a tackler just to get back to the line of scrimmage. It was nice to see that he still has a football move that can make people miss, that's key to breaking long runs when there's blocking up front. It doesn't mean he's being decisive and hitting holes to then make that move. But in space, he's made at least 1 guy miss. He still has something in there.


Hit the hole, make a move and take off. It was the closest thing he had to "being in space" last night and he won his 1:1 matchup. He just happened to start the play from 3-4 yards back so what was gained made the play for no gain.
 
Stuart Ullman said:
I will say one positive thing about him though. On the reverse pass, he did make a nice juke/cut to shake a tackler just to get back to the line of scrimmage. It was nice to see that he still has a football move that can make people miss, that's key to breaking long runs when there's blocking up front. It doesn't mean he's being decisive and hitting holes to then make that move. But in space, he's made at least 1 guy miss. He still has something in there.


Hit the hole, make a move and take off. It was the closest thing he had to "being in space" last night and he won his 1:1 matchup. He just happened to start the play from 3-4 yards back so what was gained made the play for no gain.
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I loath the phrase “a football move”, especially when fumbles are debated. No, I dislike it anytime.
 
Were any fantasy services on the “Akers may not play much” position. I don’t own him - and have not been on his “pro” side this off-season - but probably would have started him if I did. It was very surprising to me.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Were any fantasy services on the “Akers may not play much” position. I don’t own him - and have not been on his “pro” side this off-season - but probably would have started him if I did. It was very surprising to me.
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There really weren't and the drumbeat towards timeshare had only gained steam the past week. I know because I'm one of the ones who started him (in my sort of progressive dynasty league where I take chances).

That said, the words of his coach and his lack of playing time are a complete concern. I don't know what McVay wanted him to do with those two carries. Run into the defender more quickly? I mean, he had no prayer on either carry.

I should have known trading into a McVay back was a problem. That guy just flat lies to everybody about their health. Watch the game. It's all you can do to suss out what's really going on with his backs (see: Gurley, Todd, Super Bowl, arthritis, knee, CJ Anderson).
 
rockaction said:
There really weren't and the drumbeat towards timeshare had only gained steam the past week. I know because I'm one of the ones who started him (in my sort of progressive dynasty league where I take chances).

That said, the words of his coach and his lack of playing time are a complete concern. I don't know what McVay wanted him to do with those two carries. Run into the defender more quickly? I mean, he had no prayer on either carry.

I should have known trading into a McVay back was a problem. That guy just flat lies to everybody about their health. Watch the game. It's all you can do to suss out what's really going on with his backs (see: Gurley Todd, Super Bowl, arthritis, knee, CJ Anderson).
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I saw someone speculate online that the urgency comment had to do with pass blocking. Who knows, maybe McVay thought he wasn't pushing hard enough in training camp? His limited time is probably more reflective of what he was doing in camp than in this game.
 
massraider said:
Sean McVay said RB Cam Akers has to maximize his opportunities when he gets into the game.
Sean McVay on RB Cam Akers: "There were some instances where there were some positive things and some things that he can do better, but we want to see just an increased level of urgency and accountability snap in and snap out from him.”


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Why? It worked for Tatum Bell, right?


Right??? :oldunsure:
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Were any fantasy services on the “Akers may not play much” position. I don’t own him - and have not been on his “pro” side this off-season - but probably would have started him if I did. It was very surprising to me.
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The guys on the fantasy footballers podcast were pretty down on him and basically all said there’s no way he’s returning to form after tearing his Achilles. Though I’m not sure anyone anywhere thought he’d be virtually non-existent in the game plan.

If pass blocking is an issue for him though, I can certainly see why he got basically no playing time this week with how dominant Buffalo’s front 7 was.
 
candian fantasy guy said:
Achilles injury. We should just pass on these guys as a rule in FF. I never understood his ADP this year. Way too many good players in that range.

RB dead zone strikes again?!
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I really don't see how this has to do with an Achilles injury. Sounds more like he's in the doghouse.
And if you're referring to the ypc, I'd say no RB currently in the league would have done anything on those 3 specific touches. Nobody looks explosive if they're hit right when they get the ball. And also looked fine when he had space on the "handoff" he got 12 yards deep and hot back to the LOS. Same exact story as Akers in the playoffs.
The Achilles data point is still TBD on Akers imo.
 
jtd13 said:
The Achilles data point is still TBD on Akers imo.
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Agreed. But the Achilles recovery data points for every other RB to ever pop one is very clear.

When the best outcome (Foreman) is a four year process of getting back to speed, it should give you pause for Akers this year.
 
I will 100% be trying to acquire Akers and hoping his owner is as low on him as a lot of the commenters here are. Meaning pretty darn cheap. But I doubt he'd sell.
 
To those of you still hanging on the achilles as the reason or concern I would encourage you to go back to the bottom of page 14 of this thread and start reading and hopefully that will serve as a reminder of how everyone thought he looked before facing 3 top 10 run D's in the playoffs when no one on the Rams could run.

Not sure what went wrong for him so far this off-season, but a little bit lazy to me to just start thinking it's the achilles.
 
Chaka said:
jtd13 said:
The Achilles data point is still TBD on Akers imo.
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Agreed. But the Achilles recovery data points for every other RB to ever pop one is very clear.

When the best outcome (Foreman) is a four year process of getting back to speed, it should give you pause for Akers this year.
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Don't want to rehash arguments that will have no end, but every one of those few examples has other reasons why they wouldn't have recovered. Achilles recoveries in major sports have been trending way up over the last 5 years, and guys that recover fast have almost always recovered fully. Limiting to just RBs makes the sample size useless in a sport with tons of variables like football IMHO.
I think it's better to follow how it's going across major athletics, and based on that it seems to be just a matter of time before Achilles injuries are considered even less severe than ACL I juries currently are.
 
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