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RB Cam Akers, MIN (1 Viewer)
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Don't think it was silly at all. He still has a few things that need to break his way before he's startable. For people with short benches, I definitely don't think they needed to hold him through all the uncertainty. Personally, I cut him last week as soon as I heard he was a healthy scratch and don't regret it in the slightest
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same. Short bench 12-team league where I have 5 other RB. Expendable.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Or vice versa for Akers.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I like this for Akers owners.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Jackpot- well sorta, not really lol. Definitely worth holding. Although that compensation is pretty weak! I’m guessing that the rest of the nfl knew he would be on waivers soon enough. Vikings had a good shot to claim him at 0-2 but gave a bit extra to remove uncertainty. I really wanna know what is up with this guy.
Overall, he’s got a clear path to touches. Vikings know their seasons **** if they don’t run the ball with some consistency
Overall, he’s got a clear path to touches. Vikings know their seasons **** if they don’t run the ball with some consistency
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I’d prefer sooner over never!!
At the moment, I don’t plan to start CAkers this week but I’m definitely interested in seeing how things work out on the field. I also have CMC, TPollard, JWilliams and JTaylor. I drafted CAkers as my RB3 so maybe he’ll be that after all. I’m going to stick with those first three until CAkers and or JTaylor give me a reason to start them. I have no problem taking a wait and see approach here.
Ironically, this week I play the team with AMattison so CAkers may help me a little bit after all. Just taking away 5-10 touches from Mattison this week is a plus for my situation.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
So now what happens to the Rest Of Season Rankings for CAkers and AMattison?
CAkers was down to 1 PPG versus 16 PPG for MAttison. (With my league’s scoring system.)
I’ll be pressing the refresh button for FBG updates every couple hours to find out.
CAkers was down to 1 PPG versus 16 PPG for MAttison. (With my league’s scoring system.)
I’ll be pressing the refresh button for FBG updates every couple hours to find out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Honestly I think it hurts both backs in redraft (though yes, better than a healthy scratch), and in dynasty it’s just a mess.
I’d prefer sooner over never!!
At the moment, I don’t plan to start CAkers this week but I’m definitely interested in seeing how things work out on the field. I also have CMC, TPollard, JWilliams and JTaylor. I drafted CAkers as my RB3 so maybe he’ll be that after all. I’m going to stick with those first three until CAkers and or JTaylor give me a reason to start them. I have no problem taking a wait and see approach here.
Ironically, this week I play the team with AMattison so CAkers may help me a little bit after all. Just taking away 5-10 touches from Mattison this week is a plus for my situation.
On the one hand, you have Akers who looked terrible week 1 before he was in the doghouse, and on the other you have Mattison for whom this deal seems like a vote of no confidence by the Vikings.
And on the other other hand (yes I realize that’s 3 hands) you have the Vikings OL which I’d consider a downgrade from LAR.
At least based on what I’ve seen Williams do behind that same LAR OL, and what I’ve seen of the MIN OL.
I honestly don’t see any reason for excitement, but if someone in your league does (the Mattison owner, perhaps) I’d try to deal Akers immediately.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Honestly I think it hurts both backs in redraft (though yes, better than a healthy scratch), and in dynasty it’s just a mess.
I’d prefer sooner over never!!
At the moment, I don’t plan to start CAkers this week but I’m definitely interested in seeing how things work out on the field. I also have CMC, TPollard, JWilliams and JTaylor. I drafted CAkers as my RB3 so maybe he’ll be that after all. I’m going to stick with those first three until CAkers and or JTaylor give me a reason to start them. I have no problem taking a wait and see approach here.
Ironically, this week I play the team with AMattison so CAkers may help me a little bit after all. Just taking away 5-10 touches from Mattison this week is a plus for my situation.
On the one hand, you have Akers who looked terrible week 1 before he was in the doghouse, and on the other you have Mattison for whom this deal seems like a vote of no confidence by the Vikings.
And on the other other hand (yes I realize that’s 3 hands) you have the Vikings OL which I’d consider a downgrade from LAR.
At least based on what I’ve seen Williams do behind that same LAR OL, and what I’ve seen of the MIN OL.
I honestly don’t see any reason for excitement, but if someone in your league does (the Mattison owner, perhaps) I’d try to deal Akers immediately.
I don’t want to make too much of the stats from a single game. I don want to make a lot of the healthy inactive. That was a huge red flag and one possible outcome was CAkers didn’t play much this year. Now that he’s off to the Viking AND…importantly…a coach that has experience with him…well that’s very encouraging!
I’m good with points that have more than two hands.
Does anyone know offhand (a fourth hand?) the book on these two when it comes to blocking…?
He's still 88% owned in yahoo which I find shocking
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
What is Yahoo for $600?
This sounds like something someone who dropped Akers would sayHonestly I think it hurts both backs in redraft (though yes, better than a healthy scratch), and in dynasty it’s just a mess.
I’d prefer sooner over never!!
At the moment, I don’t plan to start CAkers this week but I’m definitely interested in seeing how things work out on the field. I also have CMC, TPollard, JWilliams and JTaylor. I drafted CAkers as my RB3 so maybe he’ll be that after all. I’m going to stick with those first three until CAkers and or JTaylor give me a reason to start them. I have no problem taking a wait and see approach here.
Ironically, this week I play the team with AMattison so CAkers may help me a little bit after all. Just taking away 5-10 touches from Mattison this week is a plus for my situation.
On the one hand, you have Akers who looked terrible week 1 before he was in the doghouse, and on the other you have Mattison for whom this deal seems like a vote of no confidence by the Vikings.
And on the other other hand (yes I realize that’s 3 hands) you have the Vikings OL which I’d consider a downgrade from LAR.
At least based on what I’ve seen Williams do behind that same LAR OL, and what I’ve seen of the MIN OL.
I honestly don’t see any reason for excitement, but if someone in your league does (the Mattison owner, perhaps) I’d try to deal Akers immediately.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Obviously every league is different. So if you're in a league with a really shallow bench (or a smaller league with plenty on the WW).....I guess I can see dropping him for the right guy.
I just dont see why one poor performance and one healthy scratch (which was clearly going to lead to a trade. Something had to give) would cause you to immediately cut a guy that you presumably drafted as a low end RB2/high end flex option. That's the part that seems silly to me. A change in value (via the trade) was almost certainly coming. Might as well hold and see rather than give up on what was probably your 6th or 7th round pick in September.
I just dont see why one poor performance and one healthy scratch (which was clearly going to lead to a trade. Something had to give) would cause you to immediately cut a guy that you presumably drafted as a low end RB2/high end flex option. That's the part that seems silly to me. A change in value (via the trade) was almost certainly coming. Might as well hold and see rather than give up on what was probably your 6th or 7th round pick in September.
I have him in my league. Was supposed to be my RB3 in a 12 team redraft non-PPR system. Right now there are plenty of viable WRs on the waiver wire but bupkus for RBs. If he can become the primary back in MIN even worthy of flex level play for bye weeks I'm OK with it.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Especially when you have him in a 14 team league.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Honest question: What RBs have been traded midseason and gone from being useless to fantasy starters? I'm sure there have been some, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Jay Ajayi? Jeff Wilson last year? I don't think either of them were at the depths that Akers was at in LA. CMC obviously doesn't count, and I can think of a few who got picked up off the WW and had a good late-season run (CJ Anderson).
Anyway, that was part of my calculation in dropping him. Even if he got traded, I didn't think he'd be relevant. Generally, the trajectory of NFL RBs is downward, so the prospect of Akers rejuvenating his career with another team would seem to be unlikely. I will concede that Minnesota is probably about the best situation he could have walked into at this point
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
An excellent question where it would be good to see the data?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Indeed he was. So he knows Akers from inside the locker room.
It just figures that I rant on about how much I dont believe in Akers and honestly feel like he has been over valued by the fantasy community and then Akers gets traded to my favorite team the Vikings who are also a mess.
Great. Dont stand too close to me who knows what might get dropped on me next.
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hamsterdam
Footballguy
Drake to AZ comes to mind. To be fair, this is the beginning of the season so he has more time to integrate himself. I’m not too confident at this point in Cam getting it done but I certainly think he’s worth a roster spot.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Per ChatGPT as to RBs traded mid-season…
I'm sorry for the oversight earlier. While it's a challenge to capture every single mid-season trade of running backs between 1980 and 2021, I can attempt to provide a more comprehensive list based on available information up to 2022. Here are several of the mid-season trades involving running backs during that period:
- Herschel Walker (1989) - Dallas Cowboys to Minnesota Vikings
- Eric Dickerson (1987) - Los Angeles Rams to Indianapolis Colts (This was part of a three-team trade involving the Bills as well, with various picks and players exchanged.)
- Trent Richardson (2013) - Cleveland Browns to Indianapolis Colts
- Jay Ajayi (2017) - Miami Dolphins to Philadelphia Eagles
- Carlos Hyde (2018) - Cleveland Browns to Jacksonville Jaguars
- Kenyan Drake (2019) - Miami Dolphins to Arizona Cardinals
- Ty Montgomery (2018) - Green Bay Packers to Baltimore Ravens
- LeSean McCoy (2019) - Buffalo Bills to Kansas City Chiefs (This one is close to mid-season, happening just before the season began.)
- Adrian Peterson (2021) - Detroit Lions to Tennessee Titans (Although late in his career and not in the prime mid-season timeframe, it's still noteworthy.)
…I suspect this reflects all the major ones but I don’t know for sure.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Did some Googling and found this article from last year. Conclusion: Mid-season trades do tend to help RBs (but not WRs) improve. He also includes a table with all of the players traded during that time period. The two that Akers managers should be pointing to are Peterson in 2017, when he was buried in Sean Payton's doghouse and then became a starter for the Cardinals, and Kenyan Drake in 2019, when he seemed to have washed out in Miami and then rejuvenated his career (also with the Cardinals). So maybe the key is to get traded to Arizona?
Actually, the comp Akers boosters should be hoping for is Marshawn in 2010. He was drafted by Buffalo with high hopes, but never really found himself there; it took a change of scenery for him to fulfill his promise
TLEF316
Footballguy
NFL mid-season trades have been very rare over the years. Only recently have they really become much more common.
Quick google search turns up the following (tiny sample size)--outdated article, but the first one i found.
Jay Ajayi from Miami to Philly- 500 total yards and 2 scores in 7 games. Not great, but clearly a role (on a super bowl winning team no less)
Marshawn Lynch from Buffalo to Seattle- Traded on October 5th (so similar timing). Ended up with 700 total yards and 6 scores.
Trent Richardson from Cleveland to Indy after 2 games. About 700 yards and 4 scores in a part time role
Hershell Walker and Eric Dickerson were also traded mid-season but those are both HOF players so obviously not comparable. (And Lynch is obviously a much more talented back than Akers as well) Am I happy that I'm partially counting on this to make Akers a valuable player (at least in the one league where I lost Chubb)? Certainly not. I think the timing, lack of talent at the RB spot in Minnesota and Akers previous production (albeit short lived) help....but its probably a committee at best (unless Mattison gets hurt)
6 hours ago I had a useless asset. Now I have a potential flex play(not saying a good option, but we'll see) or bye-week desperation RB2 on an offense that SHOULD be pretty decent. So based on that, I'd say it was worth holding for a couple of extra days to see. I just think calling him an auto drop knowing this was likely to happen was poor and short-sighted advice.
Again...shallow league or very shallow bench. I get it. 12 team league with 6 or 7 bench spots, I dont see why you wouldn't have held.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I dropped him in redraft knowing he’d get traded. Not one scintilla of ragret.This sounds like something someone who dropped Akers would say
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Rookiefever
Footballguy
Redraft?I dropped him knowing he’d get traded. Not one scintilla of ragret.This sounds like something someone who dropped Akers would say
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I drafted him as my RB4 in a 12-team redraft PPR. He was a later pick & have 4 guys just like him (went WR x4 then TE & QB)
he might clear waivers.
Every league is different, context does matter.
As for the poor performance and 1 healthy scratch, you talk like this is a new situation with Akers and not an ongoing saga for years.
Maybe a change of scenery will help.
Maybe not.
I see his new landing spot as a net negative. I’ll let him be someone else’s headache.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes of course. Dynasty I’d try to deal him.Redraft?I dropped him knowing he’d get traded. Not one scintilla of ragret.This sounds like something someone who dropped Akers would say
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Like McVeys wife?
heckmanm
Footballguy
Huh. Small world.
Ministry of Pain
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taylormeetstheismann
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Corn Rocket
Footballguy
Is this a Peyton Hillis / Josh McDaniels situation?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Stat Correction
Footballguy
I ain't sayin'.....I'm just sayin'.
Exactly what we as Akers owners were hoping for. His relationship with McVay was toxic. He is still very young and proved late last season what he can do....sorry, but 3 consecutive games of that kinda dominance is no fluke. He also must realize that the leash is short now and that RB's careers rarely last past 28-30, at best. The anemic running game in Minny reflects mostly on Mattison, since defenses can't stack the box with Jefferson, Addison, and Hock to deal with. Vikes know they have a playoff caliber team, that's currently lacking a running game.
IMHO, he will not only be hyper-motivated to perform, but will get every chance to shine.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I think this is about right.
FYI… No 0-3 team has ever made it to the Super Bowl. And 0-2 teams are drawing thin to make it to the playoffs.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
think around 10% of 0-2 teams make the playoffs
OTOH, would be interesting to know how many truly bad teams start 0-2
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Per ChatGPT… Between the 1990 and 2018 seasons, there were 91 teams that started 0-2. Of those 91 teams, 12 made the playoffs, which means approximately 13.2% of teams that started 0-2 during this span managed to reach the postseason.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
over the last three years - with the playoffs expanded by two teams - 23 teams have started 0-2
only the 2022 Bengals made the playoffs
EDIT
since the 1970 merger, 400 teams have started 0-2 and 38 made the playoffs
(less than 10%....and that doesn't included 2022 which IIRC was around 1 out of 8 or 9 teams)
sorry for the rabbit trail, let's get back to all things Cam Akers
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dschuler
Footballguy
The 0-2 isn’t quite as daunting as it once was because teams now play 17 games and more importantly they added an extra wild card spot. That number will eventually rise considerably
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