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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (1 Viewer)

Wonder how crazy it would be to later find out Vegas/DK/FD were behind the scenes encouraging glowing camp reports on CMC never looking better, being back at 100%+, in for a hell of a year... pump the numbers on CMC season long bets/overs. And then drop this three days before kickoff. Overwhelmingly positive, and unsolicited camp reports about rookies feel normal to an extent. All these ones on CMC always felt forced/out of place to me. Just all feels weird. Hope he's not another bust for those who took him.
You actually bring up an interesting subject to wonder about. This kind of "news" can be VERY influential to Vegas and gaming in general, and the influences it "could" have swaying wagering (and odds making). I'd hate to think of behind-the-scenes influencing with the NFL reports and players, but, between the league and Vegas etc., there is a ton of $$ involved...and so it shouldn't really surprise me all that much, I suppose.
 
Based on conversations he’s had @TomPelissero says he doesn’t get the sense there are “alarm bells” going off on Christian McCaffrey’s calf.

This is good news, I guess?
Not really.

“Get a sense” is loose itself, that’s even less sound then if Kyle or CMC told him he was fine and even then based on last year a little concern still exists.

No “alarm bells” can mean different things. For instance I often see people like Rappaort give injury updates where he’ll say something like “good news, not expected to be long term, could be back in 6-8 weeks”. That may be ok for the NFL team but generally devastating for us fantasy people.

He also mentions they are not in DEFCON 1 stage. But there are mutliple DEFCON stages with 1 being the worst so this could suggest some level of concern.

Guessing/reading between the lines this is real, not maintenance, because there is some level of concern. That concern is probably not for the season or a super long stretch, not short term IR stuff. But perhaps putting his availability for the opener in question, missing a few weeks and worry for a tricky injury to occur when he does return.
Good point, “not alarm bells” about his calf means there’s at least some level of concern. He might have felt something during the start of practice and they instantly pulled him. I want to see a least a limited practice today before I feel better. If he doesn’t practice, it’s a big problem.
 
My big money league lives and dies in the hands of CMC.

If he is on IR for the entire season the best analogy I can provide, to how I feel, is "November 18, 1978 - I arrive to Jonestown, Guyana late afternoon and see 918 of my closest "church" friends from The People's Temple. I determine they have all died from cyanide poisoning from drinking the kool-aid. I assess the situation, determine I am a little parched from the trip and sit down to have a glass of kool-aid."

Yup, that is how I am feeling right now. I knew it could be bad news. I knew he had achilles tendinitis. After all the facts were presented to me, I drank the kool-aid.
 
Wonder how crazy it would be to later find out Vegas/DK/FD were behind the scenes encouraging glowing camp reports on CMC never looking better, being back at 100%+, in for a hell of a year... pump the numbers on CMC season long bets/overs. And then drop this three days before kickoff. Overwhelmingly positive, and unsolicited camp reports about rookies feel normal to an extent. All these ones on CMC always felt forced/out of place to me. Just all feels weird. Hope he's not another bust for those who took him.
You actually bring up an interesting subject to wonder about. This kind of "news" can be VERY influential to Vegas and gaming in general, and the influences it "could" have swaying wagering (and odds making). I'd hate to think of behind-the-scenes influencing with the NFL reports and players, but, between the league and Vegas etc., there is a ton of $$ involved...and so it shouldn't really surprise me all that much, I suppose.
Yeah I'm not normally a tin foil hat wearer; but when this much money is involved....

I may also be currently influenced to conspiracy theories due to recently reading that news about how Pampers (diaper company) ran the potty training readiness study pushed by pediatricians and early child care professionals as gospel and were pretty much exposed for rigging that study and pushing for it to be a parenting directive just so they could sell diapers to all babies for an extra 8-12 months. Wildly random lol, but also sensitized my internal "do I smell BS?" alarm.

As someone who enjoys gambling, it's really starting to suck the fun out of watching sports for me. I think this will only grow now that Redzone will be showing 15 minutes of gambling ads every hour as they stop doing commercial free football...
 
A big question I have is how far he falls in drafts today.

I'm in Las Vegas for the NFFC drafts and a bunch are happening today and tomorrow. Will be interesting to see.
Oh yeah, weren't you supposed to call me or something to help with one of those drafts......hahahahaha
 
So, I don't think it's a full on five alarm fire of a situation right now.....but it certainly isn't good. Good is he's 100% healthy and has gotten through the preseason ready to go without any news like this.

And yes, I vultured in and got B-Rob out from under the CMC owners nose.....he he.
 
All my drafts are done and CMC never fell to a spot where I'd have considered taking him. I feel like I might've dodged a bullet - best of luck to those who have shares of him.
 
A big question I have is how far he falls in drafts today.

I'm in Las Vegas for the NFFC drafts and a bunch are happening today and tomorrow. Will be interesting to see.
Similar situation only FFPC and drafting online.

I've checked 5 drafts in that contest that went off after the game and his drop was not as much as you'd think. More a few spots in 4 out of 5 drafts, still a back half round one guy. One draft he fell about a round, to mid second.

It's going to drop a lot more though because I think people hear "limited" and think it can't be that bad but in fact it can and in this case likely means he was 100% fine until the injury occurred in practice. So as we sit here today I think people are clinging to that but my anticipation is we are going to get at minimum a DNP today and possibility ruled out. That's when the major drop will start.
 
Wonder how crazy it would be to later find out Vegas/DK/FD were behind the scenes encouraging glowing camp reports on CMC never looking better, being back at 100%+, in for a hell of a year... pump the numbers on CMC season long bets/overs. And then drop this three days before kickoff. Overwhelmingly positive, and unsolicited camp reports about rookies feel normal to an extent. All these ones on CMC always felt forced/out of place to me. Just all feels weird. Hope he's not another bust for those who took him.
While a truly delightful conspiracy theory, there were actually videos of CMC at camp. Also the local beat writers and the guys on local radio said the same.

Occam’s razor: he has bilateral Achilles tendinitis. It can literally flare up at any time, and from any activity. I’ve said it so many times on here that when I type “bila-“ my autocomplete fills the rest in.

There’s no grand scheme here being manipulated by Vegas puppet masters. CMC is like a car with 4 retreads - you just can’t be at all surprised when one of them blows.

Now that said, he might actually be fine. As a 49er fan I’m hoping against hope that he’s fine.
:oldunsure:

But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t relieved to have zero shares right now.
 
A big question I have is how far he falls in drafts today.

I'm in Las Vegas for the NFFC drafts and a bunch are happening today and tomorrow. Will be interesting to see.
For me nothing changed as I had him as a DND all preseason. I marveled seeing him traded for 1st round pick+ in the offseason, and going as high as 1.02 in $350 NFFC ROC Leagues.

Prediction: For those drafting this weekend in high stakes leagues he’s at least going to fall to mid-second, if not 3rd. As with all things there will be some fearless upside seeker who takes him in the 1st, and I’d bet in at least one league he tumbles to the 4th.

Not all calf injuries are alike. With any other player it would be a concern. With CMC it’s an atomic bomb level alert.
 
So, there is video of him running routes at full speed from yesterday, no limp, no hesitation, nothing. There is no report saying he left practice, just that he was limited. There is also a CMC quote from the summer, about them "having a plan for me this season" which I take as load management.

Unless we get a DNP today I'm not concerned. If its limited again today, I think he's safe for Sunday.
 
a DNP today and possibility ruled out. That's when the major drop will start.
Agreed - today’s practice report is everything. Not just because it’s all we’ll likely get as an update.

Full: everyone acts like it was nothing. Blip on the radar.
Limited: he’s going to drop but not by much. Maybe 1/2 a round.
DNP? 🤯 that’s the precipitous nosedive.
 
So, there is video of him running routes at full speed from yesterday, no limp, no hesitation, nothing
Do you have a link to that?
 
All my drafts are done and CMC never fell to a spot where I'd have considered taking him. I feel like I might've dodged a bullet - best of luck to those who have shares of him.
Same - I picked top 3 or bottom 3 all draft season. The one league I drew 1.08 was FBG Bowl 3, where I picked 8. He went 7.

In my home league I pulled the 7th pick and chose the 10th spot (12 & 11 were gone and we do 3RR) - CMC went 1.09
 
So, there is video of him running routes at full speed from yesterday, no limp, no hesitation, nothing
Do you have a link to that?
Respectfully, he’s not running full speed there. And he did look a little hesitant to me. Now that said, I don’t see a limp either, but that clip doesn’t seem definitive.
 
So, there is video of him running routes at full speed from yesterday, no limp, no hesitation, nothing
Do you have a link to that?
Respectfully, he’s not running full speed there. And he did look a little hesitant to me. Now that said, I don’t see a limp either, but that clip doesn’t seem definitive.
It looks like a typical practice rep to me.
 
So, there is video of him running routes at full speed from yesterday, no limp, no hesitation, nothing. There is no report saying he left practice, just that he was limited.
It's going to drop a lot more though because I think people hear "limited" and think it can't be that bad but in fact it can and in this case likely means he was 100% fine until the injury occurred in practice.
This is what I meant.

No offense trav and I appreciate the optimism but I don't think your read on this is right and I think others are making the same mistake.

Fact he was full speed and all good when practice started really does not mean anything other then if he's hurt it happened in practice, this just means he was fine when practice started. What you would not have is beat writers detailing him leaving because by that point of practice they were all kicked out, this is not training camp anymore and they can only watch about the first 20 minutes of practice. But several of them did mention he was not seen in the lockeroom after practice.
 
It looks like a typical practice rep to me.
It does to me as well - but IMO he’s not running full speed in that clip. CMC is very fast when running at full speed. Not every practice rep is going 100%.

But I agree I didn’t see a limp.

I also agree with @menobrown that he could have been fine up to the point that he wasn’t. That doesn’t invalidate the clip, it just means something might have happened afterwards.

If it tightened up on him after running those routes, and that’s the reported injury, that’s a big concern.
 
I mean, people weren't worried last year either
This was me, leading up to MNF, up 2.6 points with my opponent only having 1 marginal player left.

Reports all day that he was trending towards playing. CMC himself said he’d be playing. Everything was great right up until the inactives list came out.
:sadbanana:

ETA: my opponent’s player scored a whopping 5 points. I would have won in a laugher if CMC played.
 
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Wonder how crazy it would be to later find out Vegas/DK/FD were behind the scenes encouraging glowing camp reports on CMC never looking better, being back at 100%+, in for a hell of a year... pump the numbers on CMC season long bets/overs. And then drop this three days before kickoff. Overwhelmingly positive, and unsolicited camp reports about rookies feel normal to an extent. All these ones on CMC always felt forced/out of place to me. Just all feels weird. Hope he's not another bust for those who took him.
You actually bring up an interesting subject to wonder about. This kind of "news" can be VERY influential to Vegas and gaming in general, and the influences it "could" have swaying wagering (and odds making). I'd hate to think of behind-the-scenes influencing with the NFL reports and players, but, between the league and Vegas etc., there is a ton of $$ involved...and so it shouldn't really surprise me all that much, I suppose.
due respect, but consider how many people would have to be involved in such a vast conspiracy.

Think about it for a minute. Start with literally everyone working for the 49ers. All their staff, players, coaches, medical staff, equipment managers, marketing people, etc. I’ve been to a live practice and it’s wild how many people are there. Hundreds. They’d all have to be in on it.

Now get to the media part. Local beat guys like Eric Branch, Matt Barrows, Matt Maiocco, Cam Inman, Grant Cohen, Dave Lombardi - they’d all have to be in on it, too.

We haven’t even gotten to the national press coverage and we’re talking about a conspiracy so grand it makes the mafia look like a game of tiddly winks.

There’s literally no way a significant/season impacting player injury could be concealed for the purposes of shenanigans with futures betting. Someone would talk. If CMC had any sign of injury prior to this report of being limited, it would have come out. Some rando on the street would have videoed CMC limping to his table at a restaurant & splattered it all over social media.

Am I saying sports betting is 100% free of shenanigans? Absolutely not. People get caught tryna pull shady stuff often enough that we can likely assume some do get away with stuff.

But the stuff alleged in this particular conspiracy theory seems not just incredibly unlikely, but outright impossible.
 
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Fact he was full speed and all good when practice started really does not mean anything other then if he's hurt it happened in practice, this just means he was fine when practice started. What you would not have is beat writers detailing him leaving because by that point of practice they were all kicked out, this is not training camp anymore and they can only watch about the first 20 minutes of practice. But several of them did mention he was not seen in the lockeroom after practice.

Good thought process here.
 
I do think there is some strong overreaction going on because of who it is
I’d say it’s a completely normal reaction because of who he is.

If it were just about any other player in the NFL people wouldn’t be running around like their heads were on fire over 1 report of a calf injury.
 
Today prob the most important practice report watch in fantasy history lol.
Facts.
It's important but not sure it will tell us a whole lot unless he's actually back at practice in even a limited capacity.

Let's say he's DNP, which is my guess, and that's bad news for sure but people are going to interpret that wildly differently. Some people will absolutely freak out and assume it's last year all over again.

Others, like me, will assume in the absence of other information that he's basically starting the same timeline that Achane did about 3 weeks ago and if so will likely miss 2-3 weeks.
 
Wonder how crazy it would be to later find out Vegas/DK/FD were behind the scenes encouraging glowing camp reports on CMC never looking better, being back at 100%+, in for a hell of a year... pump the numbers on CMC season long bets/overs. And then drop this three days before kickoff. Overwhelmingly positive, and unsolicited camp reports about rookies feel normal to an extent. All these ones on CMC always felt forced/out of place to me. Just all feels weird. Hope he's not another bust for those who took him.
You actually bring up an interesting subject to wonder about. This kind of "news" can be VERY influential to Vegas and gaming in general, and the influences it "could" have swaying wagering (and odds making). I'd hate to think of behind-the-scenes influencing with the NFL reports and players, but, between the league and Vegas etc., there is a ton of $$ involved...and so it shouldn't really surprise me all that much, I suppose.
due respect, but consider how many people would have to be involved in such a vast conspiracy.

Think about it for a minute. Start with literally everyone working for the 49ers. All their staff, players, coaches, medical staff, equipment managers, marketing people, etc. I’ve been to a live practice and it’s wild how many people are there. Hundreds. They’d all have to be in on it.

Now get to the media part. Local beat guys like Eric Branch, Matt Barrows, Matt Maiocco, Cam Inman, Grant Cohen, Dave Lombardi - they’d all have to be in on it, too.

We haven’t even gotten to the national press coverage and we’re talking about a conspiracy so grand it makes the mafia look like a game of tiddly winks.

There’s literally no way a significant/season impacting player injury could be concealed for the purposes of shenanigans with futures betting. Someone would talk. If CMC had any sign of injury prior to this report of being limited, it would have come out. Some rando on the street would have videoed CMC limping to his table at a restaurant & splattered it all over social media.

Am I saying sports betting is 100% free of shenanigans? Absolutely not. People get caught tryna pull shady stuff often enough that we can likely assume some do get away with stuff.

But the stuff alleged in this particular conspiracy theory seems not just incredibly unlikely, but outright impossible.

Not to mention that the suggestion that the books are the one's behind this is ridiculous if you understand how handicapping/wagering works.

The books are experts at setting and adjusting the lines so that they make money on both sides and a lot of it is dependent on when you place your bets. In addition to setting the line to encourage even action on both sides, they also adjust lines and set wager limits at different times so they maximize the juice they are going to get at each different line movement.

Point is, while shady things do go on with certain individuals, the books are not going through the criminal exposure it would require to pull something like what is suggested off when they are making money hand over fist regardless. It's not worth it.

The greatest scam the books play are pushing parlays and their bonuses that encourage people to disproportionately place bets with the lowest probability of hitting.
 
It's important but not sure it will tell us a whole lot unless he's actually back at practice in even a limited capacity.

Let's say he's DNP, which is my guess, and that's bad news for sure but people are going to interpret that wildly differently. Some people will absolutely freak out and assume it's last year all over again.
That’s pretty much what I see as worst case scenario, because
1. It ambuguous
2. The 49ers are super cagey with injury reporting.
Others, like me, will assume in the absence of other information that he's basically starting the same timeline that Achane did about 3 weeks ago and if so will likely miss 2-3 weeks.
Probably a good approach but honestly no assumption is truly safe. He could miss practice and play on Sunday. He could miss practice, miss Sunday and go on IR-R. The whole spectrum of
Outcomes is left wide open by a DNP + lack of detailed reporting. That’s why even a limited practice would ease a lot of concerns.

If he’s DNP his draft stock should absolutely crater.
 
Wonder how crazy it would be to later find out Vegas/DK/FD were behind the scenes encouraging glowing camp reports on CMC never looking better, being back at 100%+, in for a hell of a year... pump the numbers on CMC season long bets/overs. And then drop this three days before kickoff. Overwhelmingly positive, and unsolicited camp reports about rookies feel normal to an extent. All these ones on CMC always felt forced/out of place to me. Just all feels weird. Hope he's not another bust for those who took him.
You actually bring up an interesting subject to wonder about. This kind of "news" can be VERY influential to Vegas and gaming in general, and the influences it "could" have swaying wagering (and odds making). I'd hate to think of behind-the-scenes influencing with the NFL reports and players, but, between the league and Vegas etc., there is a ton of $$ involved...and so it shouldn't really surprise me all that much, I suppose.
due respect, but consider how many people would have to be involved in such a vast conspiracy.

Think about it for a minute. Start with literally everyone working for the 49ers. All their staff, players, coaches, medical staff, equipment managers, marketing people, etc. I’ve been to a live practice and it’s wild how many people are there. Hundreds. They’d all have to be in on it.

Now get to the media part. Local beat guys like Eric Branch, Matt Barrows, Matt Maiocco, Cam Inman, Grant Cohen, Dave Lombardi - they’d all have to be in on it, too.

We haven’t even gotten to the national press coverage and we’re talking about a conspiracy so grand it makes the mafia look like a game of tiddly winks.

There’s literally no way a significant/season impacting player injury could be concealed for the purposes of shenanigans with futures betting. Someone would talk. If CMC had any sign of injury prior to this report of being limited, it would have come out. Some rando on the street would have videoed CMC limping to his table at a restaurant & splattered it all over social media.

Am I saying sports betting is 100% free of shenanigans? Absolutely not. People get caught tryna pull shady stuff often enough that we can likely assume some do get away with stuff.

But the stuff alleged in this particular conspiracy theory seems not just incredibly unlikely, but outright impossible.

Not to mention that the suggestion that the books are the one's behind this is ridiculous if you understand how handicapping/wagering works.

The books are experts at setting and adjusting the lines so that they make money on both sides and a lot of it is dependent on when you place your bets. In addition to setting the line to encourage even action on both sides, they also adjust lines and set wager limits at different times so they maximize the juice they are going to get at each different line movement.

Point is, while shady things do go on with certain individuals, the books are not going through the criminal exposure it would require to pull something like what is suggested off when they are making money hand over fist regardless. It's not worth it.

The greatest scam the books play are pushing parlays and their bonuses that encourage people to disproportionately place bets with the lowest probability of hitting.
Absolutely correct.

Also the fact that the books aren’t some kind of “high table” like in John Wick movies.

Every casino has a book. Every book has a staff. Attributing such a conspiracy to “the books” is alleging that they’re all in cahoots.
 
Wonder how crazy it would be to later find out Vegas/DK/FD were behind the scenes encouraging glowing camp reports on CMC never looking better, being back at 100%+, in for a hell of a year... pump the numbers on CMC season long bets/overs. And then drop this three days before kickoff. Overwhelmingly positive, and unsolicited camp reports about rookies feel normal to an extent. All these ones on CMC always felt forced/out of place to me. Just all feels weird. Hope he's not another bust for those who took him.
You actually bring up an interesting subject to wonder about. This kind of "news" can be VERY influential to Vegas and gaming in general, and the influences it "could" have swaying wagering (and odds making). I'd hate to think of behind-the-scenes influencing with the NFL reports and players, but, between the league and Vegas etc., there is a ton of $$ involved...and so it shouldn't really surprise me all that much, I suppose.
due respect, but consider how many people would have to be involved in such a vast conspiracy.

Think about it for a minute. Start with literally everyone working for the 49ers. All their staff, players, coaches, medical staff, equipment managers, marketing people, etc. I’ve been to a live practice and it’s wild how many people are there. Hundreds. They’d all have to be in on it.

Now get to the media part. Local beat guys like Eric Branch, Matt Barrows, Matt Maiocco, Cam Inman, Grant Cohen, Dave Lombardi - they’d all have to be in on it, too.

We haven’t even gotten to the national press coverage and we’re talking about a conspiracy so grand it makes the mafia look like a game of tiddly winks.

There’s literally no way a significant/season impacting player injury could be concealed for the purposes of shenanigans with futures betting. Someone would talk. If CMC had any sign of injury prior to this report of being limited, it would have come out. Some rando on the street would have videoed CMC limping to his table at a restaurant & splattered it all over social media.

Am I saying sports betting is 100% free of shenanigans? Absolutely not. People get caught tryna pull shady stuff often enough that we can likely assume some do get away with stuff.

But the stuff alleged in this particular conspiracy theory seems not just incredibly unlikely, but outright impossible.

Not to mention that the suggestion that the books are the one's behind this is ridiculous if you understand how handicapping/wagering works.

The books are experts at setting and adjusting the lines so that they make money on both sides and a lot of it is dependent on when you place your bets. In addition to setting the line to encourage even action on both sides, they also adjust lines and set wager limits at different times so they maximize the juice they are going to get at each different line movement.

Point is, while shady things do go on with certain individuals, the books are not going through the criminal exposure it would require to pull something like what is suggested off when they are making money hand over fist regardless. It's not worth it.

The greatest scam the books play are pushing parlays and their bonuses that encourage people to disproportionately place bets with the lowest probability of hitting.
Absolutely correct.

Also the fact that the books aren’t some kind of “high table” like in John Wick movies.

Every casino has a book. Every book has a staff. Attributing such a conspiracy to “the books” is alleging that they’re all in cahoots.

Exactly. Any extra profit made by such a scam would be more than offset by the literal thousands of people that would need to be paid off to keep their mouth shut.

I've spent way too much time diving deep into sports wagering, because I'm a degenerate.

Which leads us back to CMC, why did I gamble on him again this year? Why must I gamble on upside when I didnt need to? Why???? (In Nancy Kerrigan's voice)
 
He fell to early 2nd in one draft and I took the bait. No regrets, just a bit gut punching with this noise about injury occurring before the first game. Is what it is, nobody is immune to injury and his upside at that point was worth taking a swing at. At the end of the day, it is just a pretend game so not the end of the world.
 
He fell to early 2nd in one draft and I took the bait. No regrets, just a bit gut punching with this noise about injury occurring before the first game. Is what it is, nobody is immune to injury and his upside at that point was worth taking a swing at. At the end of the day, it is just a pretend game so not the end of the world.
No risk it no biscuit. He's a NO brainer in the late 1st or 2nd. And even more so with the 7.1 pick in a 12 team SF best ball PPR dynasty league where I took him 3 months ago. :bowtie: And getting Brian Robinson with the 10.12 in that same draft is just gravy right now. :pickle:
 
In my main league of record, I didn’t target him, but he was a value proposition in our auction. Got him for 48, the rest of the guys in his tier were going 55 to 60. I pounced and pivoted on my initial strategy. Knew there was some risk but assumed it would be deeper in the year and not just prior to game one like last year.
 
In my main league of record, I didn’t target him, but he was a value proposition in our auction. Got him for 48, the rest of the guys in his tier were going 55 to 60. I pounced and pivoted on my initial strategy. Knew there was some risk but assumed it would be deeper in the year and not just prior to game one like last year.
Pretty much the same. Got him for $52 last night, and everybody else going in the $55-60.

I was driving all day, and didn't catch wind of the Thursday practice situation, but I don't think it would have affected my decision.

A risk like this is always assumed with CMC, whether week 1 or later. RIght or wrong, I think it's a risk worth taking.
 
John Chapman:

The thing a lot of people are missing is that the 49ers have had Christian McCaffrey on this exact same pace all training camp! The only difference is as of Wednesday all teams have to report if players miss portions of practice. Nothing has changed from a 49ers perspective.

Now if CMC doesn’t practice today then there is a major issue. We will see!

 

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