Not when you can get very similar production from Danny Woodhead many rounds later.Is anyone touching him at his current adp in standard?
This remains to be seen..Not when you can get very similar production from Danny Woodhead many rounds later.
In the time Dunn and Alstott played together (5 years) Dunn averaged 14 carries and 3.5 receptions per game...Alstott averaged 12 carries 1.6 receptions per game...if McCaffrey gets close to 18 touches (as well as some return touches) I don't think anyone has a gripe with his usage at his draft position (real football)...There are definite parallels, they paired him with Alstott in the same way the Panthers are pairing CMC with Stewart.
They do. River is was on the local show and said Stewart came to him and raved about McCaffrey. He said that Stewart doesn't hand out compliments often.The fact the guy that drafted him was fired a near after isn't a great sign. I worry that the Panthers don't have a clue what to do with him.
Looking like itSo are we thinking high end rb2 here? Is he worth the 3rd or 4th round pick in redraft?
Not sure about Cook but I could see Cmac going early 2nd if he rattles off a couple of rushing td's and a couple of receiving td's off of quick tosses. I really wish the Panthers would just sit on him until the regular season both for fantasy reasons and for the good of the team.He and Cook have the chance to really propel their ADP into a stupid range this preseason
Just look at what one slick cut did to Ameer Abdullah's ADP 2 years ago. It won't take much for CMc or Cooks to wow people with an ESPN highlight play.Not sure about Cook but I could see Cmac going early 2nd if he rattles off a couple of rushing td's and a couple of receiving td's off of quick tosses. I really wish the Panthers would just sit on him until the regular season both for fantasy reasons and for the good of the team.
I'd love to see him on a bubble screen put a move on the outside line backer and take it 30 yards. If he took it to that house that might be asking a lot, but I'm curious to see him one on one with a linebacker and if J. Stewart is correct in his scouting report that no one can cover him one on one.Christian McCaffrey's Carolina Panthers play their first preseason game tonight! Who's watching?
Totally! I'm fully expecting a TD from CMC tonight. I'm envisioning a 60 yarder, either via reception or run. Would prefer a run up the middle to silence all the people (cough, cough petekrum) who say he can't run between the tackles.I'd love to see him on a bubble screen put a move on the outside line backer and take it 30 yards. If he took it to that house that might be asking a lot, but I'm curious to see him one on one with a linebacker and if J. Stewart is correct in his scouting report that no one can cover him one on one.
I hope he "tweaks" something in warmups and is out until week 1.I'd love to see him on a bubble screen put a move on the outside line backer and take it 30 yards. If he took it to that house that might be asking a lot, but I'm curious to see him one on one with a linebacker and if J. Stewart is correct in his scouting report that no one can cover him one on one.
McCaffrey is a rookie and needs reps with the team. He is in learning mode. Also, the speed of the game is different in the NFL, and he needs to experience it before game one of the regular season.Not sure about Cook but I could see Cmac going early 2nd if he rattles off a couple of rushing td's and a couple of receiving td's off of quick tosses. I really wish the Panthers would just sit on him until the regular season both for fantasy reasons and for the good of the team.
That would suck.I hope he "tweaks" something in warmups and is out until week 1.
Not if you want his stock to stay low. The more preseason he plays I think the more his stock rises.That would suck.
Hence tweaks in is quotes. I would prefer not to see him, Luke, Cam or any other starter get any type of quality minutes in the preseason. Just a recipe for disaster. I think Cmac is going to adjust just fine to the speed of the game.That would suck.
I think his floor this year is around rb 12-15 ish. The absolute floor.Him being drafted as a RB12-15 in PPR seems a bit crazy to me.
I'm buying that CAR manufactures more touches for him in the passing game than they have for any other RB over the past decade. I'm also buying that he significantly cuts into JStew's early down work. And yet I still think he's being drafted at or near his ceiling.
What kind of volume are you projecting?I think his floor this year is around rb 12-15 ish. The absolute floor.
I can see him getting 700 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving, 50 catches 7 tdsSameSongNDance said:What kind of volume are you projecting?
There is no way that more than 14 RBs could put up better numbers than CMc?pantherclub said:I think his floor this year is around rb 12-15 ish. The absolute floor.
in ppr once you figure in his catches, probably not. I think as we stand today he is a strong rb2 with a strong possibility to creep into the top 10 based on his catches. I dont think you quite comprehend just how much they are going to force feed the ball to him.There is no way that more than 14 RBs could put up better numbers than CMc?
Yes but that will also make his coaches think he is fragile. And that's not good either.Johnny Bing said:Not if you want his stock to stay low. The more preseason he plays I think the more his stock rises.
Well in any given year that'd make for a low-end RB2. RB12-15 is going to put up a fair bit more than that line.I can see him getting 700 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving, 50 catches 7 tds
at the absolute bottom line floor level
Christian McCaffrey rushed seven times for 33 yards in the Panthers' preseason opener.
McCaffrey saw a first-down carry on Carolina’s second drive and followed his blocks efficiently for a gain of 12. It was his best run of the night. McCaffrey entered the game behind Jonathan Stewart, and the two appear headed for a near-even rotation to begin the season. As a committee back with uncertain scoring-position usage, there is a real chance McCaffrey is a better reality than fantasy player as a first-year pro.
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Does he have the leprechaun type goatee?He looked just like Danny Woodhead.
I can see Jonathan Stewart getting 1,000 yards rushing, 200 yards receiving, 20 catches 8 TD'sI can see him getting 700 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving, 50 catches 7 tds
at the absolute bottom line floor level
Good luck with thatI can see Jonathan Stewart getting 1,000 yards rushing, 200 yards receiving, 20 catches 8 TD's
at the absolute bottom line floor level
He has topped 1,000 total yards once in the last five seasons (and he had one season with 990 total yards).I can see Jonathan Stewart getting 1,000 yards rushing, 200 yards receiving, 20 catches 8 TD's
at the absolute bottom line floor level
I'm guessing PhantomJB was being funny, otherwise he blew any and all credibility he had.He has topped 1,000 total yards once in the last five seasons (and he had one season with 990 total yards).
He has scored 8 TDs or more once in the last seven seasons.
Thanks, Chaka. It is true I was being somewhat facetious but it was in response to the "absolute floor" projections for McCaffery.He has topped 1,000 total yards once in the last five seasons (and he had one season with 990 total yards).
He has scored 8 TDs or more once in the last seven seasons.
That's a good thing because you bench his ### and don't get stuck with 6 fantasy pts that week^ dont forget that Jstew gets hurt and dinged up each and every year
That's an incredibly high floor. Makes me think you also may be incredibly high.If I were to project a reasonable floor for McCaffrey this season, I'd go with 180 carries for 800 yards, 40 receptions for 400 yards and 8 TDs.
Summary:
1,200 total yards (120 FF points)
40 receptions (40 FF points)
8 TDs (48 FF points)
So that's 208 FF points as his absolute floor (my assumptions) in PPR, not including PR/KR yardage or scores. That was good for RB 14 in another league with similar scoring. So yeah, I guess I have his absolute floor as a top 15 RB. I'll take it!
I'm going to try to project his rushing floor, inspired by your thoughts. (I'm only doing rushes because I have to get to work and I'm already going to be late.)If I were to project a reasonable floor for McCaffrey this season, I'd go with 180 carries for 800 yards, 40 receptions for 400 yards and 8 TDs.
Summary:
1,200 total yards (120 FF points)
40 receptions (40 FF points)
8 TDs (48 FF points)
So that's 208 FF points as his absolute floor (my assumptions) in PPR, not including PR/KR yardage or scores. That was good for RB 14 in another league with similar scoring. So yeah, I guess I have his absolute floor as a top 15 RB. I'll take it!
I'm not saying you're wrong because none of us can predict the future. However, CMC averaged 23ish carries per game in college. In his first preseason game he got 7 carries in 1 quarter of football... and you're predicting 7 carries per game this year for the 8th overall pick? Doesn't make sense to me. We'll see how this season shakes out but I'm sticking with my 180 rushes as his floor.I'm going to try to project his rushing floor, inspired by your thoughts. (I'm only doing rushes because I have to get to work and I'm already going to be late.)
Mike Shula has been the OC for the Panthers since 2013. Here are the attempts/yards/YPC during this time:
Year Att Yards YPC
2013 483 2,026 4.2
2014 473 2,036 4.3
2015 526 2,282 4.3
2016 453 1,814 4.0
That's an average of 483.75 rushes for 2,039.5 yards and a 4.22 YPC.
Separately, here are the % rushes of the top 3 RBs per year:
Year Name % Carries
2013 Williams,Tolbert,Stewart 41.6, 20.9, 9.9
2014 Stewart,Williams,Tolbert 37.0, 13.1, 7.8
2015 Stewart,Tolbert,Artis-Payne 46.0, 11.8, 8.6
2016 Stewart,Whittaker,Artis-Payne 48.1, 12.6, 7.9
The Panthers have had a lot of injuries to RBs over the years with none of the above backs able to go the full 16 for all of the years played. I'm not concluding/suggesting this is systemic but rather why the "lead" back ends up getting on average just over 40% of the carries and the 2nd/3rd backs get roughly 23% of the carries (with other RBs and Cam taking the rest). It's possible McCaffrey takes a majority of the 2nd/3rd reps and eats into both Cam and Stewarts' carries as well but I think that gets him to maybe 33% (roughly 1/3rd of the carries). Take that rushes average and that comes to 161.25. The floor is different and is probably closer to the 23% average stated above, or about 111 carries. It's also possible that 161 total is bumped up if Stewart gets injured (likely, he doesn't have a track record of health) but that's difficult to predict and isn't the point--we're looking for floor.
So with that I'm suggesting 111 carries against the Panther average of 4.22 for a total of 468 yards rushing.
Shoot me down now.
(I'm not trying to argue--and I don't think you are either--but rather just trying to find some commonalities with others' thinking. Thanks for the discussion.)I'm not saying you're wrong because none of us can predict the future. However, CMC averaged 23ish carries per game in college. In his first preseason game he got 7 carries in 1 quarter of football... and you're predicting 7 carries per game this year for the 8th overall pick? Doesn't make sense to me. We'll see how this season shakes out but I'm sticking with my 180 rushes as his floor.