RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (5 Viewers)

[Blackbear]

I looked at it like do I want Michel, the back up for Rams or Hubbard the back up for CMC. I thought there is a good chance Rhule plays CMC sparingly or CMC pulls up lame. In that scenario Hubbard is a nice to have contingency. Sleeper is projecting CMC and Hubbard at a little over 10 points apiece in 0.5 ppr. I thought I read somewhere Rhule mentioned a snap count limitation. Not sure where. 

Great plan. You only came up 30 points short.

 

[Faust]

Christian McCaffrey (hamstring) does not carry an injury designation for Week 10 against the Cardinals.

McCaffrey out-touched Chuba Hubbard 18-4 in Week 9, while only playing on 49% of snaps. Off the injury report, the star running back looks set to handle a full workload against a run funnel Cardinals defense. P.J. Walker will be starting for the Panthers, which adds significant downside to all Panthers' skill players, but Walker should be competent enough to handle check downs to McCaffrey. 2021's consensus 1.01 shapes up as an elite running back play, despite the concerns at quarterback. 

Nov 12, 2021, 3:54 PM ET

 

[Ghost Rider]

So nice to have this guy back in the starting lineup. Hope he can stay healthy.  He is just a machine in PPR even when he doesn't score. 

 

[trader jake]

If CMC stays healthy for the remaining 7 Panthers games (at his current 2021 per game averages) he'd finish the season with:

835 rushing yards

679 receiving yards

72 catches, ~2.4 touchdowns

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

How many times has he been tackled inside the 2?

 

[Faust]

Week 11 fantasy stats: Behold the amount of ways Cowboys can crush you

Excerpt:

Carolina Panthers rank 31st in neutral pass rate since Week 7

Long before the Panthers brought in Cam Newton to relieve their starting quarterback position, this brass had made it clear they wanted to establish the run. Clearly, they’ve been able to do it.

With Newton starting and still looking like a chore to bring down as a runner, it’s likely Carolina will remain a rushing-based offense. That’s how Christian McCaffrey will maintain his fantasy football cheat-code nature despite seeing a reduced snap share and ceding an average of nearly 20 touches to Chuba Hubbard and Ameer Abdullah.

We want McCaffrey playing a reduced amount of snaps. It’s less about the touches and more about the overall amount of times he’s stressing his body per game — and that happens on every snap.

 

[trader jake]

If CMC stays healthy for the remaining 6 Panthers games (at his current 2021 per game averages) he'd finish the season with:

814 rushing yards

686 receiving yards

74 catches, ~4 touchdowns

 

[The Frankman]

Christian McCaffrey rushed 10 times for 35 yards and failed to catch a pass on one target in the Panthers' Week 12 loss to the Dolphins.

Cam Newton was flat-out terrible before being benched after three quarters; he completed just five passes, so there was no chance for McCaffrey to get going as a pass-catcher. He recorded all 10 of his carries in the first half and appeared to roll his ankle late in the second quarter. The Panthers refused to acknowledge the injury during the game, but FOX's Jen Hale reported there was an injury. CMC played one snap in the second half and immediately went back to the sideline where he was seen rolling his ankle to stay loose. It didn't look like a serious injury, but CMC's ailments have been piling up the last two years. Carolina will head on its bye before a Week 14 date with the Falcons. It would be wise to add Chuba Hubbard again in fantasy leagues.

- NBC SportsEDGE

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

Nightmare season. This guy is firmly on my DND list going forward. Carolina put too much wear on his tires and his best days are well behind him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

His ankles are made of jelly

 

[chad in Indy]

Nightmare season. This guy is firmly on my DND list going forward. Carolina put too much wear on his tires and his best days are well behind him.

Yup. Total bust two years in a row. Even when healthy this year, he wasn't worth the draft pick. Two TDs and no 100 yd games.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yup. Total bust two years in a row. Even when healthy this year, he wasn't worth the draft pick. Two TDs and no 100 yd games.

TDs and 100-yard games are not necessary to be highly productive in PPR.  He has 24+ points in four of the seven games he has played this season.  Those are monster weeks.  His durability has been frustrating, but to suggest that he hasn't been productive this season when he has played and stayed on the field is mostly wrong. 

 

[Sam Quentin]

Has anybody ever been a bust as the consensus number one overall pick two years in a row?

 

[TheWinz]

Yup. Total bust two years in a row. Even when healthy this year, he wasn't worth the draft pick. Two TDs and no 100 yd games.

He has only played 4 full games, and in those, he IS THE #1 PPR FANTASY RB.  And that's counting Jonathan Taylor's 5TD game.  Only an angry CMC owner would say he's been a bust when healthy.

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

What are the odds this guy plays week 14 coming out of the bye? Given his year so far, I’d put it like a 10% chance.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

McCaffrey hasn't been dominant, but let's put this into perspective. The other "top" backs in September (Kamara, Cook, Henry, Elliott, Barkley) aren't doing their teams too many favors, either. It's a position where people get hurt. 

He has a chance to keep suiting up during the fantasy season, his team is (somehow) still in the playoff race, and he doesn't have a clear-cut partner in the backfield. Aside from a QB TD vulture, he doesn't have a lot working against him. I wouldn't call him a bust, but he definitely won't be the consensus #1 next year, either. 

 

[Sam Quentin]

Wake me up if he scores a TD this season or maybe next

 

[TheWinz]

McCaffrey hasn't been dominant, but let's put this into perspective. The other "top" backs in September (Kamara, Cook, Henry, Elliott, Barkley) aren't doing their teams too many favors, either. It's a position where people get hurt. 

He has a chance to keep suiting up during the fantasy season, his team is (somehow) still in the playoff race, and he doesn't have a clear-cut partner in the backfield. Aside from a QB TD vulture, he doesn't have a lot working against him. I wouldn't call him a bust, but he definitely won't be the consensus #1 next year, either. 

CMC does a ton of work as a pass catcher, and needs more than 1 target.  Sadly, CMC needs Sam Darnold back.  I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

 

[DocHolliday]

McCaffrey hasn't been dominant, but let's put this into perspective. The other "top" backs in September (Kamara, Cook, Henry, Elliott, Barkley) aren't doing their teams too many favors, either. It's a position where people get hurt. 

He has a chance to keep suiting up during the fantasy season, his team is (somehow) still in the playoff race, and he doesn't have a clear-cut partner in the backfield. Aside from a QB TD vulture, he doesn't have a lot working against him. I wouldn't call him a bust, but he definitely won't be the consensus #1 next year, either. 

All that matters to me is production from CMC as my first pick in FF.   He cannot produce when hurt in the beginning of games or out for games.  There will not be FF playoffs for many of our CMC led teams even if he is playing in week 14, 15, or 16.   CMC won my league for me 3 years ago and was incredibly dominant.   The mileage caught up to him.  Its time to draft the next RBs emerging in the NFL before CMC.

 

[chad in Indy]

He has only played 4 full games, and in those, he IS THE #1 PPR FANTASY RB.  And that's counting Jonathan Taylor's 5TD game.  Only an angry CMC owner would say he's been a bust when healthy.

For context (which I should have stated) I'm in standard scoring redraft w bonuses at 100 yds, and he has not cracked 20 points once.  He's averaging less than 13 PPG (that figure is based only on games actually played) ...... so yes, I'd call that a bust for any RB drafted in the top 8, let alone the #1 consensus. 

Second, you cannot discount the fact he's missed half the season.  Injuries happen, but his injuries are not outliers like a torn ACL, broken bone, concussion, etc. His are reoccurring common injuries which are signs of wear/tear. 

Lastly, I don't understand your analysis that he's the #1 RB for PPR. Do you mean just 4 particular weeks in a vacuum? Or can I pick JTs best 4 games to compare? 

I don't know how you can describe the production of the overall #1 consensus pick two years straight anything but a bust. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

guy is a brittle stiff

Number one for FOUR GAMES is absolutely meaningless

 

[trader jake]

If CMC plays the remaining 5 Panthers games (at his current 2021 per game averages) he'd finish the season with:

749 rushing yards

588 receiving yards

63 catches, ~3-4 touchdowns

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

Despite the report from Rapaport this morning I think there’s like a 10% chance this dude is playing week 14. There is no such thing as a “minor injury” with this guy.

And I’m sure we’ll get no clarity whatsoever from this hack Rhule, who relishes the nonsense gamesmanship of hiding injuries.

Worse still, it appears Cam is still the QB going forward, which is a disaster for CMC. Dude is the ultimate TD vulture and refuses to pass to his RBs.

Like I said earlier, just a nightmare season and I’m never drafting this guy ever again. He has too much wear on his tires and is only going to get more dinged up further in his career. His best days are well behind him. 

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Christian McCaffrey (ankle) might not miss any game action with the Panthers' bye falling in Week 13. 

McCaffrey rolled his left ankle in the first half of Carolina's embarrassing Week 12 loss to Miami and did not touch the ball in the second half. He was seen wearing a walking boot after the game. Rapoport said CMC's ankle injury "doesn't seem" like a "major injury" that would keep him sidelined for Carolina's Week 14 game against the Falcons. The Charlotte Observer's said an X-ray on CMC's ankle was negative. Chuba Hubbard would revert to RB2 status if McCaffrey were to miss a game or two while recovering from his latest injury. 

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Chuba Hubbard

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 29, 2021, 8:17 AM ET

 

[TheWinz]

For context (which I should have stated) I'm in standard scoring redraft w bonuses at 100 yds, and he has not cracked 20 points once.  He's averaging less than 13 PPG (that figure is based only on games actually played) ...... so yes, I'd call that a bust for any RB drafted in the top 8, let alone the #1 consensus. 

Second, you cannot discount the fact he's missed half the season.  Injuries happen, but his injuries are not outliers like a torn ACL, broken bone, concussion, etc. His are reoccurring common injuries which are signs of wear/tear. 

Lastly, I don't understand your analysis that he's the #1 RB for PPR. Do you mean just 4 particular weeks in a vacuum? Or can I pick JTs best 4 games to compare? 

I don't know how you can describe the production of the overall #1 consensus pick two years straight anything but a bust. 

The ONLY thing I am disputing is that you said he is a bust even when he is healthy.  Now you come in here saying you play in a non-PPR league with 100 YD bonus.  It's your fault for not specifying.  He could have 198 total yards and 10 catches every game and still be under 20 points in your league.

Also, the reason I picked out 4 games is because you said, "when healthy".  He has only played 4 full games, so those are the healthy games.  And yes, in PPR scoring without 100 yard bonuses, he is the overall #1 RB in those games.  Heck, even in non-PPR the only guy who beats him is JT.

I had a feeling if you replied, you would say you played in a non-PPR, 100 yard bonus league.  Again, you said he was a bust even when healthy.  That's the only thing I am disputing.  All his missed time has no bearing on this discussion.  The only thing that matters is games 1, 2, 10, and 11, because those are his only healthy games.

 

[TheWinz]

Number one for FOUR GAMES is absolutely meaningless

Not when someone says he is a bust in those 4 games

 

[Synthesizer]

He's been healthy at the start of 7 games.

 

[foxco]

Out for season?

 

[wilked]

Out for season?

Yup 

 

[menobrown]

Out for season?

Yes and we have reached a stage in the fantasy season in 2021 were Ameer Abdullah is a must add.

 

[humpback]

Good call, Rapoport. 

 

[TampaMike19]

Now I really wanna apologize to the guy that was absolutely right in his call about this dude packing it in after his contract and banging his supermodel gf all day. I Will never dismiss qualitative data like this ever again 

Shouldn't be THIS easy to get dinged after he had basically all of last year off. I don't think this guy cares about his conditioning and strengthening the proper areas. Just wants to look bulky for his frame. Idk if he was even 205- seemed heavier than that when you look at him

His dynasty value is cratering

 

[habsfan]

I guess you can't call a player a bust due to injury but the team who drafted him 1st overall in my redraft league is in last place. He would likely argue that largely due to drafting this guy, his season has been a bust. You don't take a player in the top half of the first round for 5 or 6 games of elite production.

 

[Dizzy]

I guess you can't call a player a bust due to injury but the team who drafted him 1st overall in my redraft league is in last place. He would likely argue that largely due to drafting this guy, his season has been a bust. You don't take a player in the top half of the first round for 5 or 6 games of elite production.

I like this... good way to describe a player as a "bust" due to injury.

I agree with you. Tough to call a proven stud RB a bust due to injury... but because of injury it has been bust season city for the top 3-4 RB picks in 2021.

 

[TheWinz]

He's been healthy at the start of 7 games.

And he was unhealthy before the end of 3 of them (all of which he played under 30 snaps), which means he played 4 healthy games.  Would you have started him 7 times?  Yes.  Would you have scored well in 4 of them?  Yes.  Did he score poorly in the 3 games he didn't finish?  Yes.

 

[Sam Quentin]

He was out 5.5 weeks with less than a grade 1 hammy.  Did anybody really think he was coming back from being in a walking boot outside of several months?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Not when someone says he is a bust in those 4 games

He is too fragile to be trusted with goal line carries.  4 games is SSS anyway

 

[Sam Quentin]

I guess you can't call a player a bust due to injury but the team who drafted him 1st overall in my redraft league is in last place. He would likely argue that largely due to drafting this guy, his season has been a bust. You don't take a player in the top half of the first round for 5 or 6 games of elite production.

nope, he is a bust

 

[Sam Quentin]

Has anybody ever been a bust as the consensus number one overall pick two years in a row?

 

[Dizzy]

Lot of hard miles accumulated already... McCaffrey looking over the cliff edge now and seeing Shaun Alexander's carcass at the bottom.

 

[JohnnyU]

.....and the carnage continues.

 

[Sam Quentin]

It would have been better if he had been declared out for the season in week instead of wasting a roster spot and tanking two games

I wouldn’t have had to drop Elijah Moore…

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Woke up to "might not miss a game" - refreshed rotoworld to "out for the season". 

I have Hubbard, but I have enough talent at WR to run out Mixon & Henderson every week. I'm a little thinner, but tbh I'm happy to not depend on Carolina/Cam as much headed into the stretch run. 

Sigh. I knew I shoulda picked a later draft position & grabbed Taylor. :(  

Thankfully I don't have him in the subscriber contest - I wonder how much that hurts "the field"? Also seemed to help DJ Moore when CMC was out - they went a bit more pass happy. 

 

[Sam Quentin]

Lot of hard miles accumulated already... McCaffrey looking over the cliff edge now and seeing Shaun Alexander's carcass at the bottom.

More like a David Johnson trajectory into immediate irrelevance 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

nope, he is a bust

not a bust. He's given me excellent production & I wouldn't be 7-4 (hopefully soon to be 8-4) without him. 

ARob is a bust. CMC has been productive while healthy. Just got bit by the  bug this year. 

 

[TartanLion]

Now I really wanna apologize to the guy that was absolutely right in his call about this dude packing it in after his contract and banging his supermodel gf all day. I Will never dismiss qualitative data like this ever again 

Shouldn't be THIS easy to get dinged after he had basically all of last year off. I don't think this guy cares about his conditioning and strengthening the proper areas. Just wants to look bulky for his frame. Idk if he was even 205- seemed heavier than that when you look at him

His dynasty value is cratering

I remember when someone came on this board and said he worked at a Detroit hospital and that Calvin was bone on bone in his knee and was on a sharp downward turn. The dude was laughed out the thread but ended up being pretty much 100% correct. I trust that this board does a decent job of self managing itself and weeds out most of the bull#### talkers. Always wise to at least consider and weigh up a story like that, if it appears on here. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He was out 5.5 weeks with less than a grade 1 hammy.  

Just because they called it a grade 1 hammy doesn't mean it was a grade 1 hammy, for one. For another, he had a setback 3 weeks into rehab, costing him another 2.5 weeks. 

Did anybody really think he was coming back from being in a walking boot outside of several months?

Meh - a walking boot is not a diagnosis. They initially said it was a minor sprain. I've seen players have a walking boot to immobilize & come back the next week when the sprain calmed down. Clearly this was worse than a minor sprain, but when 1st reported I was optimistic. I saw highlights of the game & they showed CMC moving his foot around on the sidelines trying to get it loose - he wasn't ruled out for the game until the late 3rd. 

 

[Dizzy]

More like a David Johnson trajectory into immediate irrelevance 

 Same thing... exactly the same thing... lots of bodies at the base of that cliff.

 

[BladeRunner]

Woke up to "might not miss a game" - refreshed rotoworld to "out for the season". 

I have Hubbard, but I have enough talent at WR to run out Mixon & Henderson every week. I'm a little thinner, but tbh I'm happy to not depend on Carolina/Cam as much headed into the stretch run. 

Sigh. I knew I shoulda picked a later draft position & grabbed Taylor. :(  

Thankfully I don't have him in the subscriber contest - I wonder how much that hurts "the field"? Also seemed to help DJ Moore when CMC was out - they went a bit more pass happy. 

Funny thing is that I was going to skip over Taylor and was hoping to grab Tyreek Hill combing back in the 2nd.  Had the guy right before me NOT taken Hill, I would have had him and Davante Adams.  But because he did, I ended up taking Taylor as the last 1st round RB left. 

 

[chad in Indy]

The ONLY thing I am disputing is that you said he is a bust even when he is healthy.  Now you come in here saying you play in a non-PPR league with 100 YD bonus.  It's your fault for not specifying.  He could have 198 total yards and 10 catches every game and still be under 20 points in your league.

Also, the reason I picked out 4 games is because you said, "when healthy".  He has only played 4 full games, so those are the healthy games.  And yes, in PPR scoring without 100 yard bonuses, he is the overall #1 RB in those games.  Heck, even in non-PPR the only guy who beats him is JT.

I had a feeling if you replied, you would say you played in a non-PPR, 100 yard bonus league.  Again, you said he was a bust even when healthy.  That's the only thing I am disputing.  All his missed time has no bearing on this discussion.  The only thing that matters is games 1, 2, 10, and 11, because those are his only healthy games.

I already admitted I should have stated my league settings for context.

The crux of my statement was that he is a bust for the past two years.  Do you think he's not? 

BUT, I never said he was a bust when healthy. That was your mistake. I said, "Even when healthy this year, he wasn't worth the draft pick." I stand by that statement. First, he has played FIVE full games. Not just four. Points for those games are 18.7, 19.7, 10.6, 16.1, 17.9. That doesn't meet my expectations for the #1 pick.  I'd even prefer more deviation of two blow up games and two duds over those scores.  You expect your tip pick to have monster games. Not just above average games.

You want me to compare specific weeks of other players because it fits your narrative. But if you want an apples to apples approach, you should compare the games other RB have played and been healthy in. Not just those particular four (or five). Compare the PPG of CMC for his healthy games to the other RB's PPG of all their healthy games. It gets lopsided pretty quick.