Jacob's Ladder
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He's done. The tires have fallen off and it will only get worse. I'm a little surprised you're not getting a bigger discount based on the mileage and last season's debacle.
While I don't think he is done, I was quite surprised at the iron grip our dynasty owner had on CMC. He must be hard to quit. I, for one, refuse to overpay even though he may have a couple more stud RBs left on the tires. ETA: In redraft, I would be a buyer.He's done. The tires have fallen off and it will only get worse. I'm a little surprised you're not getting a bigger discount based on the mileage and last season's debacle.
I understand why people are hesitant to let go. His great games are magical, and I'm sure he has a few more in the tank but the amount of mileage he's accumulated over his career cannot be ignored. He's elderly in running back years. When he was traded to the 49ers I predicted they'd shorten his career due to overuse, and I stand by that argument. I still wish we could have seen him in a modified RB/slot role with limited but meaningful touches.While I don't think he is done, I was quite surprised at the iron grip our dynasty owner had on CMC. He must be hard to quit. I, for one, refuse to overpay even though he may have a couple more stud RBs left on the tires. ETA: In redraft, I would be a buyer.He's done. The tires have fallen off and it will only get worse. I'm a little surprised you're not getting a bigger discount based on the mileage and last season's debacle.
Done? Ok.He's done. The tires have fallen off and it will only get worse. I'm a little surprised you're not getting a bigger discount based on the mileage and last season's debacle.
I agree CMC isn’t “done”, I’m probably avoiding in redraft but that’s just because last year still stings and recency bias is a mofo.While I don't think he is done, I was quite surprised at the iron grip our dynasty owner had on CMC. He must be hard to quit. I, for one, refuse to overpay even though he may have a couple more stud RBs left on the tires. ETA: In redraft, I would be a buyer.He's done. The tires have fallen off and it will only get worse. I'm a little surprised you're not getting a bigger discount based on the mileage and last season's debacle.
I don't understand why others treat them differently. They've each been injured and are similar in age. One is coming off a huge workload, while the other had a year off to rehabilitate. They should be valued similarly, yet they aren't in redraft and dynasty. CMC's drumbeat has been steadily gaining momentum as more people become aware of this.I actually think CMC vs Barkley is an interesting decision to make in redrafts, at least if you are looking at rolling the dice with a high upside proven older RB. At this point consensus favors Barkley but they are both moving in opposite directions, moving closer to each other.
Two older RB's with the RB1 history and upside.
Barkley just did it and is not coming off an injury which is why consensus is higher on him but his massive workload last year while CMC got a chance to rest his body is a huge deal to me. Injury risk or overuse risk is the dilemma for me. I've long thought, and have said here a few times, CMC's two injury shortened seasons in Carolina were aides to his later career. The body can only take so much punishment, at least if you are not build like Derrick Henry.
I'm with you, and I wouldn't touch him, I"m just wondering other people's appetitesYep.CMC's type of injuries have a high chance of recurring from what I've read. That's what scares me off at ADP.
It could happen at any time. I heard CMC talk about it last year. It just flares up out of the blue -calf feels tight one day, next thing you know you’re out half the season.
He looks awesome. As a 49ers fan I’m extremely happy to see that.
As a FF manager I’m not interested in the risk this year. I completely understand why others would be.
Not a homer but heard good camp reports about Trent Williams healthI’d be curious to hear from a few homers?
How is the Oline coming together?
Is the defense good? Elite or the offense has to carry them?
These are factors I look at when taking a RB.
I’d be curious to hear from a few homers?
How is the Oline coming together?

7 rookies and Saleh is back. Optimism, but nothing concrete. Anyone who claims to know definitively who doesn't work for the 49ers is probably guessing. Anyone saying anything who works for the 49ers can't be trusted this time of year. Or any other time of year.Is the defense good? Elite or the offense has to carry them?
#2It's a solid approach.These are factors I look at when taking a RB.
You can say a lot of things about Trent, but "poor" is something no one would call him.Poor guy had a lot on his plate last year with the family stuff and injures
One was hurt last year and the other was the most productive RB in the NFL.I don't understand why others treat them differently. They've each been injured and are similar in age. One is coming off a huge workload, while the other had a year off to rehabilitate. They should be valued similarly, yet they aren't in redraft and dynasty. CMC's drumbeat has been steadily gaining momentum as more people become aware of this.I actually think CMC vs Barkley is an interesting decision to make in redrafts, at least if you are looking at rolling the dice with a high upside proven older RB. At this point consensus favors Barkley but they are both moving in opposite directions, moving closer to each other.
Two older RB's with the RB1 history and upside.
Barkley just did it and is not coming off an injury which is why consensus is higher on him but his massive workload last year while CMC got a chance to rest his body is a huge deal to me. Injury risk or overuse risk is the dilemma for me. I've long thought, and have said here a few times, CMC's two injury shortened seasons in Carolina were aides to his later career. The body can only take so much punishment, at least if you are not build like Derrick Henry.
Both are 100% healthy right nowOne was hurt last year and the other was the most productive RB in the NFL.I don't understand why others treat them differently. They've each been injured and are similar in age. One is coming off a huge workload, while the other had a year off to rehabilitate. They should be valued similarly, yet they aren't in redraft and dynasty. CMC's drumbeat has been steadily gaining momentum as more people become aware of this.I actually think CMC vs Barkley is an interesting decision to make in redrafts, at least if you are looking at rolling the dice with a high upside proven older RB. At this point consensus favors Barkley but they are both moving in opposite directions, moving closer to each other.
Two older RB's with the RB1 history and upside.
Barkley just did it and is not coming off an injury which is why consensus is higher on him but his massive workload last year while CMC got a chance to rest his body is a huge deal to me. Injury risk or overuse risk is the dilemma for me. I've long thought, and have said here a few times, CMC's two injury shortened seasons in Carolina were aides to his later career. The body can only take so much punishment, at least if you are not build like Derrick Henry.
One plays on a team that just won the SB, and the other is on a team with a ton of injuries & changes to the OL and D.
Also one has bilateral achiles tendonitis and the other does not.
Seems like vastly different circumstances to me.
From the stuff I’ve read from doctors opining on this, CMC will never truly be 100%.Both are 100% healthy right now
It’s more a chronic condition than recency bias. He didn’t break his arm, he has 2 Achilles tendons that may or may not cooperate with him.Recency bias is a weird thing
I think you summed it up well on both of your responses.Both are 100% healthy right nowOne was hurt last year and the other was the most productive RB in the NFL.I don't understand why others treat them differently. They've each been injured and are similar in age. One is coming off a huge workload, while the other had a year off to rehabilitate. They should be valued similarly, yet they aren't in redraft and dynasty. CMC's drumbeat has been steadily gaining momentum as more people become aware of this.I actually think CMC vs Barkley is an interesting decision to make in redrafts, at least if you are looking at rolling the dice with a high upside proven older RB. At this point consensus favors Barkley but they are both moving in opposite directions, moving closer to each other.
Two older RB's with the RB1 history and upside.
Barkley just did it and is not coming off an injury which is why consensus is higher on him but his massive workload last year while CMC got a chance to rest his body is a huge deal to me. Injury risk or overuse risk is the dilemma for me. I've long thought, and have said here a few times, CMC's two injury shortened seasons in Carolina were aides to his later career. The body can only take so much punishment, at least if you are not build like Derrick Henry.
One plays on a team that just won the SB, and the other is on a team with a ton of injuries & changes to the OL and D.
Also one has bilateral achiles tendonitis and the other does not.
Seems like vastly different circumstances to me.
SF has played in multiple SB's recently
We talked about the tendinitis earlier in this thread
I don't see any differences. Both are elite RBs when healthy. Recency bias is a weird thing
Certainly possible, but with regards to CMC I heard him say in an interview that one day he’ll be feeling great and then the next it'll flare up.Honestly I think the odds are more against Barkley with respect to history of RB's with that kind of workload. Not a lot of injury comp for CMC but we got a ton of info on RB's coming off that kind of usage and it's pretty bad.
plus all touches aren’t created equal, just like all RB aren’t created equal.While there's a perceived link between high workload and injury risk in running backs, particularly with the "Curse of 370" referring to those with 370+ carries in a season, the data doesn't fully support a 100% injury rate.
Research from 2017 suggests that NFL running backs with high carry numbers in one season are not necessarily more prone to injury or declined performance in the following season. In fact, one study even found that those with higher workloads might be less injury prone compared to other running backs

Would you take Barkley in the 1st? Just curious.Put me in the group that's too scared to draft him anywhere in the 1st. I'd tale him in the high 3rd but I prefer to go the "safe" route with my two firsts for sure.
I know I wouldWould you take Barkley in the 1st? Just curious.Put me in the group that's too scared to draft him anywhere in the 1st. I'd tale him in the high 3rd but I prefer to go the "safe" route with my two firsts for sure.
I am a total hypocrite in saying this but yes lol, depending on the pick though. I think CMC's injury concerns outweigh Barkley's usage concerns personally.Would you take Barkley in the 1st? Just curious.Put me in the group that's too scared to draft him anywhere in the 1st. I'd tale him in the high 3rd but I prefer to go the "safe" route with my two firsts for sure.
I just took over an orphan dynasty team that I need to rebuild. I sold CMC for the 1.05 and Zay Flowers. (Took Kaleb with 1.05). That was after I sold my 1.02 & 2.02 for Lamb. Now I have to find a suitor for Pickens & Bateman. Not having any luck.All I know is that in dynasty (at least in my league), CMC's value remains strong. We're not writing him off, that is for sure.
I would as well - JJ VS Barkley would give me pause though. There’s juuuuust enough ambiguity with MIN.I'd take Chase, Bijan, JJ and Lamb over Barkley.
I have not heard this, can you provide a link? Not saying it's not true just would like to read/hear it myself, would appreciate it you can find it.n an interview that one day he’ll be feeling great and then the next it'll flare up.
Are you saying the other RB's whose games faltered after huge workloads were not in remarkable shape?But dude is in remarkable shape, and for his years in the NFL his workload has been relatively tame prior to this
I don't know what this means? I could get behind saying a reception is not as tasking as a carry but he got most of his touches as carries.plus all touches aren’t created equal,
It's not just injury, it's performance.Different factors lead to injury
It was on the radio. Heard it while driving to work so it must have been KNBR. No link possible as it happened in real life not on the internet.I have not heard this, can you provide a link? Not saying it's not true just would like to read/hear it myself, would appreciate it you can find it.
No, I’m saying Barkley is in remarkable shape.Are you saying the other RB's whose games faltered after huge workloads were not in remarkable shape?
And that’s a fair point - I agree they both have risks.My main point is people are starting to take CMC over Barkley in drafts, not all, but getting close and I think people are viewing them the same way. Both super high upside, the highest upside, both with massive risks.
Again we can agree to disagree and you are not nearly as concerned with Barkley's usage as me and others are concerned about. Easy thing might be to just pass them both up but right now we got concerns of various levels popping with majority of the mid to late first round players.
Ah, that is absolutely true.It's not just injury, it's performance.
I don't see how anyone could not take Barkley over CMCI'm at the point right now, where I think CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick, with the caveat that I would REALLY prefer to pick in the middle.
This is why I so much prefer KDS style drafting.with the caveat that I would REALLY prefer to pick in the middle
I agree. I don’t think it’s accurate equivalence to say they carry the same risk.I Don see how anyone could not take Barkley over CMCI'm at the point right now, where I think CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick, with the caveat that I would REALLY prefer to pick in the middle.
In redraft?I Don see how anyone could not take Barkley over CMCI'm at the point right now, where I think CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick, with the caveat that I would REALLY prefer to pick in the middle.
I hold the same opinion.In redraft?
Hmmmmmmm.
I’ll just take Bijan.CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick
I think you summed it up well on both of your responses.Both are 100% healthy right nowOne was hurt last year and the other was the most productive RB in the NFL.I don't understand why others treat them differently. They've each been injured and are similar in age. One is coming off a huge workload, while the other had a year off to rehabilitate. They should be valued similarly, yet they aren't in redraft and dynasty. CMC's drumbeat has been steadily gaining momentum as more people become aware of this.I actually think CMC vs Barkley is an interesting decision to make in redrafts, at least if you are looking at rolling the dice with a high upside proven older RB. At this point consensus favors Barkley but they are both moving in opposite directions, moving closer to each other.
Two older RB's with the RB1 history and upside.
Barkley just did it and is not coming off an injury which is why consensus is higher on him but his massive workload last year while CMC got a chance to rest his body is a huge deal to me. Injury risk or overuse risk is the dilemma for me. I've long thought, and have said here a few times, CMC's two injury shortened seasons in Carolina were aides to his later career. The body can only take so much punishment, at least if you are not build like Derrick Henry.
One plays on a team that just won the SB, and the other is on a team with a ton of injuries & changes to the OL and D.
Also one has bilateral achiles tendonitis and the other does not.
Seems like vastly different circumstances to me.
SF has played in multiple SB's recently
We talked about the tendinitis earlier in this thread
I don't see any differences. Both are elite RBs when healthy. Recency bias is a weird thing
It's as simple as what do people worry about more? A guy returning from and injury or a guy coming off a massive career high workload the likes of which we've not seen in over 10 years.
Honestly I think the odds are more against Barkley with respect to history of RB's with that kind of workload. Not a lot of injury comp for CMC but we got a ton of info on RB's coming off that kind of usage and it's pretty bad.
I’ll just take Bijan.CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick
They will ride him until the wheels fall off.I’ll just take Bijan.CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick
Anyone worried about Barkley's touches. He only had 13 more than Bijan.
They will ride him until the wheels fall off.I’ll just take Bijan.CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick
Anyone worried about Barkley's touches. He only had 13 more than Bijan.
Yep, was reading Patullo discuss and say he's had that convo with Barkley and they are on the same page but it's a challenges doing it in competitive situations to not have him on the field but if they want him effective later in the season they have to IMO.I think you summed it up well on both of your responses.Both are 100% healthy right nowOne was hurt last year and the other was the most productive RB in the NFL.I don't understand why others treat them differently. They've each been injured and are similar in age. One is coming off a huge workload, while the other had a year off to rehabilitate. They should be valued similarly, yet they aren't in redraft and dynasty. CMC's drumbeat has been steadily gaining momentum as more people become aware of this.I actually think CMC vs Barkley is an interesting decision to make in redrafts, at least if you are looking at rolling the dice with a high upside proven older RB. At this point consensus favors Barkley but they are both moving in opposite directions, moving closer to each other.
Two older RB's with the RB1 history and upside.
Barkley just did it and is not coming off an injury which is why consensus is higher on him but his massive workload last year while CMC got a chance to rest his body is a huge deal to me. Injury risk or overuse risk is the dilemma for me. I've long thought, and have said here a few times, CMC's two injury shortened seasons in Carolina were aides to his later career. The body can only take so much punishment, at least if you are not build like Derrick Henry.
One plays on a team that just won the SB, and the other is on a team with a ton of injuries & changes to the OL and D.
Also one has bilateral achiles tendonitis and the other does not.
Seems like vastly different circumstances to me.
SF has played in multiple SB's recently
We talked about the tendinitis earlier in this thread
I don't see any differences. Both are elite RBs when healthy. Recency bias is a weird thing
It's as simple as what do people worry about more? A guy returning from and injury or a guy coming off a massive career high workload the likes of which we've not seen in over 10 years.
Honestly I think the odds are more against Barkley with respect to history of RB's with that kind of workload. Not a lot of injury comp for CMC but we got a ton of info on RB's coming off that kind of usage and it's pretty bad.
I think the Eagles definitely want to reduce Barkley's touches this season. Reports are, AJ Dillon looks really good in camp. I'd like to see Barkley in the 325 touch range.
It's not a total nothing with Bijan but he's younger, played less games and his season ended about 1.5 months prior.I’ll just take Bijan.CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick
Anyone worried about Barkley's touches. He only had 13 more than Bijan.
Funny parallel to CMC since that’s the running joke with Shanny - every time he’s asked if he’ll manage CMCs workload he sort eludes to that, but it never, ever manifests in games.Yep, was reading Patullo discuss and say he's had that convo with Barkley and they are on the same page but it's a challenges doing it in competitive situations to not have him on the field but if they want him effective later in the season they have to IMO.

and they probably willThey will ride him until the wheels fall off.I’ll just take Bijan.CMC vs Barkley is a reasonable argument for #1 overall pick
Anyone worried about Barkley's touches. He only had 13 more than Bijan.
I posted the video of Kittle discussing this, along with a Twitter doc opining that we shouldn't worry too much. I'm not a doctor or injury expert, but I'll trust Kittle's word, given how he's performed coming off that same injury over the last few years. CMC looks and sounds healthy. Hopefully, he holds up.From the stuff I’ve read from doctors opining on this, CMC will never truly be 100%.Both are 100% healthy right now
But yes, at the moment he is not experiencing any flareups to either Achilles.
I’ve heard mixed from medical people, but sure it’s possible he’s past it.I posted the video of Kittle discussing this, along with a Twitter doc opining that we shouldn't worry too much. I'm not a doctor or injury expert, but I'll trust Kittle's word, given how he's performed coming off that same injury over the last few years. CMC looks and sounds healthy. Hopefully, he holds up.
Believe me, nobody is forgetting this.Many people are forgetting just how good CMC is when it's healthy. He has won more leagues than Saquon has and is historically one of the fantasy GOATS.
Also, I don’t know why I said “click”. We use a draft board and stickers. Sounded more dramatic than “splat”?with 1 click.
Was this from last year or this summer? I haven't read anything about it recently either. From what I've seen he seems to be a full go right now with scheduled rest days to protect him as a precautionary measure, not because he's trying to recover from tendinitis.It was on the radio. Heard it while driving to work so it must have been KNBR. No link possible as it happened in real life not on the internet.I have not heard this, can you provide a link? Not saying it's not true just would like to read/hear it myself, would appreciate it you can find it.
It was last year, not too long after it happened while he was out.Was this from last year or this summer?