RB D’Andre Swift, CHI (2 Viewers)

[Pip's Invitation]

Yep. We don’t have any Jason Avant types in our WR corps. I can see Swift being used for those types of routes.

 

[Insein]

Would be cool if ended up playing some slot wr

Definitely would be cool for PPR

 

[Big Nate]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I think you're reading way too much into the playoffs.

Gainwell had one good game (a game where Sanders was also excellent), immediately turned into a pumpkin the following week and then the RBs were mostly abandoned in the Super Bowl.

You can call it a playoff timeshare but it also looked a lot like changing gameplans.

For a guy who was being raved about all year it simply didn't translate to the field.

Here's some more information for you then. The Eagles have been using Gainwell with the first team offense in camp for 3rd downs and goal line packages. They have every intention to use him in their game plan this season.

Oh I, have heard and commented as much.

To be fair, Gainwell seems to be getting a ton of positive press this off season and we really have no idea what to expect from the Eagles RBs this season.

I think the plan is for Swift to be the lead back but would not be at all surprised if his share was a lot closer to 50% instead of the 67% Sanders got last year.

Swift seems like the kind of back that needs to be on a snap count.

But, to this point I think it is reasonable to say that Swift has shown worlds more as an NFL player than Gainwell. And the Eagles seem eager to have him on the roster considering they were willing to trade for him rather than lose him to another team.

Swift doesn't seem built to be a 285 touch guy so I am certain Gainwell and Scott & Penny will factor in to the offense. But, isn't the smart money on Swift to lead this backfield (obviously while healthy)?

What do you predict Gainwell's usage to be per game? 10 opportunities? More? Would you draft him ahead of Swift?

I posted above:

My educated guess on the season will be, they'll use Swift a bunch early with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up. They'll then dress Penny in place of Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Penny get dinged up. Then they'll go with Gainwell with Boston Scott sprinkled in until Swift is ready again. Then they'll go back to Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up again. It will be an endless cycle of Swift and Penny getting dinged up with Gainwell being sprinkled in and sometimes used as the lead.

If I had to guess on distribution I'd think something like this:

Swift: 150-175 carries, 50-55 receptions
Gainwell: 100-125 carries and 30-35 receptions.
Penny: 75-100 carries and 5 receptions
Scott: 50 carries and 5 receptions

I was a big fan of Swift when he was in DET - even drafted him on a dynasty team. But this is too many carriers and targets IMO for Swift. Penny, if healthy, I think will get more than 100 carrier.

I still think this backfield will be a PITA to try to figure out week to week and the game plan will dictate it. Are the passing more? Are they ahead with big lead? Are they in the red zone a ton? All this will determine which RB is on the field at any given time.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if they gave Penny 175-200 carries this year. He's probably the biggest pure runner of the group.

What if Scott gets more carries and targets now with Sanders gone? Back to the years he was getting 80 carries and 25-35 targets? He's the most veteran player on that team and the coaches trust him.

I do appreciate everyone's thoughts on this but most is "hoping" what will happen. Could what you posted happen? Sure it is a possibility but I think Penny and Scott could be low on the carries list as they have the most NFL experience. Swift's usage depends on if he does what the coaches want - if he does he will earn more time as he is very explosive. But if he doesn't, the vets will be getting more work and reps.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I think you're reading way too much into the playoffs.

Gainwell had one good game (a game where Sanders was also excellent), immediately turned into a pumpkin the following week and then the RBs were mostly abandoned in the Super Bowl.

You can call it a playoff timeshare but it also looked a lot like changing gameplans.

For a guy who was being raved about all year it simply didn't translate to the field.

Here's some more information for you then. The Eagles have been using Gainwell with the first team offense in camp for 3rd downs and goal line packages. They have every intention to use him in their game plan this season.

Oh I, have heard and commented as much.

To be fair, Gainwell seems to be getting a ton of positive press this off season and we really have no idea what to expect from the Eagles RBs this season.

I think the plan is for Swift to be the lead back but would not be at all surprised if his share was a lot closer to 50% instead of the 67% Sanders got last year.

Swift seems like the kind of back that needs to be on a snap count.

But, to this point I think it is reasonable to say that Swift has shown worlds more as an NFL player than Gainwell. And the Eagles seem eager to have him on the roster considering they were willing to trade for him rather than lose him to another team.

Swift doesn't seem built to be a 285 touch guy so I am certain Gainwell and Scott & Penny will factor in to the offense. But, isn't the smart money on Swift to lead this backfield (obviously while healthy)?

What do you predict Gainwell's usage to be per game? 10 opportunities? More? Would you draft him ahead of Swift?

I posted above:

My educated guess on the season will be, they'll use Swift a bunch early with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up. They'll then dress Penny in place of Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Penny get dinged up. Then they'll go with Gainwell with Boston Scott sprinkled in until Swift is ready again. Then they'll go back to Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up again. It will be an endless cycle of Swift and Penny getting dinged up with Gainwell being sprinkled in and sometimes used as the lead.

If I had to guess on distribution I'd think something like this:

Swift: 150-175 carries, 50-55 receptions
Gainwell: 100-125 carries and 30-35 receptions.
Penny: 75-100 carries and 5 receptions
Scott: 50 carries and 5 receptions

I was a big fan of Swift when he was in DET - even drafted him on a dynasty team. But this is too many carriers and targets IMO for Swift. Penny, if healthy, I think will get more than 100 carrier.

I still think this backfield will be a PITA to try to figure out week to week and the game plan will dictate it. Are the passing more? Are they ahead with big lead? Are they in the red zone a ton? All this will determine which RB is on the field at any given time.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if they gave Penny 175-200 carries this year. He's probably the biggest pure runner of the group.

What if Scott gets more carries and targets now with Sanders gone? Back to the years he was getting 80 carries and 25-35 targets? He's the most veteran player on that team and the coaches trust him.

I do appreciate everyone's thoughts on this but most is "hoping" what will happen. Could what you posted happen? Sure it is a possibility but I think Penny and Scott could be low on the carries list as they have the most NFL experience. Swift's usage depends on if he does what the coaches want - if he does he will earn more time as he is very explosive. But if he doesn't, the vets will be getting more work and reps.

Swift had 151 carries and 62 receptions in 2021 so he's certainly capable of hitting those numbers. If you have questions about Swifts targets, Penny getting 175-200 carries is a HUGE question mark since his career high is 119 and that was the only time he ever topped 100 carries.

I'm not even sure Penny will be suited up on Sunday, if he is, the Eagles will be dressing 4 RBs and Penny doesn't play special teams like Boston Scott does. So he'll basically be in there as the 3rd or 4th RB.

I'm basing my guess on how they were used in the preseason. Penny was used quite a bit with Trey Sermon. The other backs barely played. That leads me to believe Penny is behind all those guys.

 

[Chaka]

What if Scott gets more carries and targets now with Sanders gone? Back to the years he was getting 80 carries and 25-35 targets? He's the most veteran player on that team

but I think Penny and Scott could be low on the carries list as they have the most NFL experience

Penny & Scott have more years in the league (5 to 3) but Swift has more experience than both. Penny is close though.

IMO Scott is a non factor barring injury. Not sure how he packs 200+ lbs on a 5'6" frame but he's an average back, at best who wasn't drafted by the current coaching staff.

Penny is a legit runner when available. I can't take anything away from him as a runner and won't try. He seems limited as a receiver and they got him cheap but I expect him to see regular work on this offense...unless the Eagles decide he's an insurance policy who doesn't play special teams and make him inactive on game day.

Gainwell is another, potentially significant concern, particularly in the passing game.

I like Swift but this thread has given me reason to pump the breaks enough not to start him this week but I'm cautiously optimistic about this season.

 

[Chaka]

I'm not even sure Penny will be suited up on Sunday, if he is, the Eagles will be dressing 4 RBs and Penny doesn't play special teams like Boston Scott does.

That is my feeling as well. Penny feels a little bit like an insurance policy against Swift getting hurt.

But I am not following practice reports so maybe those tell a different story.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

What if Scott gets more carries and targets now with Sanders gone? Back to the years he was getting 80 carries and 25-35 targets? He's the most veteran player on that team

but I think Penny and Scott could be low on the carries list as they have the most NFL experience

IMO Scott is a non factor barring injury. Not sure how he packs 200+ lbs on a 5'6" frame but he's an average back, at best who wasn't drafted by the current coaching staff.

Scott is a core special teamer and a lock for at least one touchdown in any game against the New York Football Giants.

 

[Chaka]

What if Scott gets more carries and targets now with Sanders gone? Back to the years he was getting 80 carries and 25-35 targets? He's the most veteran player on that team

but I think Penny and Scott could be low on the carries list as they have the most NFL experience

IMO Scott is a non factor barring injury. Not sure how he packs 200+ lbs on a 5'6" frame but he's an average back, at best who wasn't drafted by the current coaching staff.

Scott is a core special teamer and a lock for at least one touchdown in any game against the New York Football Giants.

I meant a non-factor as it relates to taking a significant share of the primary RB duties.

 

[LawFitz]

I'm not even sure Penny will be suited up on Sunday

I feel like I keep seeing this written on these boards. I will believe it when I see it.

 

[VikingFrog]

Who’s starting him game 1?

 

[Chaka]

Who’s starting him game 1?

Hopefully the Eagles.

 

[Insein]

Who’s starting him game 1?

 

[VikingFrog]

Who’s starting him game 1?

Hopefully the Eagles.

They are starting all 4 running backs according to the depth chart.

 

[BlackHole]

I am starting Swift. .5 ppr league. Length of TD matters significantly as well. Gainwell slipped late in the draft, so i have him also. So this means Penny will dominate the touches.

 

[Chaka]

Who’s starting him game 1?

Hopefully the Eagles.

They are starting all 4 running backs according to the depth chart.

Just saw a post in the Penny thread that Penny is expected to be a healthy scratch today.

 

[Krilons Resa]

Fire up your Swift shares.

 

[dmac37]

With Penny a scratch, Swift starting over Deon now in 1PPR. LFG!!

 

[unckeyherb]

Im starting him. Expecting 100 total yards and 4-5 receptions. 30% chance at busting a long score

 

[FarFromHome]

Giddy up

 

[Capella]

Don’t the Pats have an excellent defense? Risky start.

 

[timschochet]

Who’s starting him game 1?

Me but I’m a Taylor owner with no good options.

 

[barackdhouse]

lol wasn't five minutes earlier I was hearing about Penny being the 1st and 2nd down guy today and then I see Penny expected to be inactive. So yeah 2023 is here!

 

[Neal Cassady]

In ahead of Javonte Williams. Don’t feel great about either.

 

[dmac37]

Don’t the Pats have an excellent defense? Risky start.

They do but we are talking Eagles offense

 

[Drake Hater]

If you have this guy you play him early.

 

[jon_mx]

Swift will give you some great games. Would be surprised if he gave a great season. But it is a contract year, and that will motivate him. He should be a solid play this week.

 

[kface]

Penny a healthy scratch so fire up swift

 

[need2know]

Swift or mattison

 

[barackdhouse]

Swift or mattison

mattison. similar quandry for me between swift and walker but am going walker. have swift going in 8 other spots though

 

[zoonation]

This scares me. Have a feeling Philly will lean on their vet backs this game. Unless it gets out of hand, which it might.

 

[eighsse2]

Are we serious right now? Gainwell 11 touches, Swift 1, Scott 1? How long can this go on?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Are we serious right now? Gainwell 11 touches, Swift 1, Scott 1? How long can this go on?

Gainwell was in on the first drive, which was the only one that moved the ball significantly.

 

[Uncle Leo]

KG seems like the guy here. Congratulations to all those that stole him late.

 

[eighsse2]

They finally tossed it to him in wide open space. Right on his hands, and he dropped it. That can't happen.

 

[oswizzle]

Swift and Clyde Edwards = League Winners!

 

[BobbyLayne]

 

[stinkbait]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

 

[kface]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

Why did they pay penney to deactivate him

 

[BobbyLayne]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

2025 4th rounder and a 2023 7th round pick

not exactly a premium investment

 

[BobbyLayne]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

Why did they pay penney to deactivate him

then again they have four RB1s on the depth chart so....

 

[dipandglide]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

Why did they pay penney to deactivate him

then again they have four RB1s on the depth chart so....

Four RB1's? You have low standard

 

[Pip's Invitation]

He had a huge drop in the second quarter and I dunno if he’s seen the field since.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

Why did they pay penney to deactivate him

then again they have four RB1s on the depth chart so....

Four RB1's? You have low standard

facts

 

[Snotbubbles]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

Why did they pay penney to deactivate him

then again they have four RB1s on the depth chart so....

Four RB1's? You have low standard

facts

You know what they say, if you have 4 #1s you don't have any.

 

[humpback]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

Why did they pay penney to deactivate him

Very little investment in either guy.

 

[beef]

What's happening here? Why'd they bring Swift in?

Why did they pay penney to deactivate him

then again they have four RB1s on the depth chart so....

Four RB1's? You have low standard

facts

That's so awesome

 

[BobbyLayne]

Have to stop them here.

Phew

here you go

 

[Insein]

Have to stop them here.

Phew

here you go

Yep. Sunday posting error.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Have to stop them here.

Phew

here you go

Yep. Sunday posting error.

it's week 1 for posters too

 

[jon_mx]

They finally tossed it to him in wide open space. Right on his hands, and he dropped it. That can't happen.

Oh that is Swift. Dropped an easy game winning catch that floated right into his bread basket his very first game as a rookie.