RB De’Von Achane, MIA (12 Viewers)

[Biabreakable]

I'm flexing Achane over J. Cook, D. Pierce, and CD Lamb at this point.

I currently have a fish on the line with a trade offer of Achane and Pierce for Diggs (he's desperate as a Chubb / Akers owner), but now I'm waffling after reading the last few pages on this board. Diggs would be nice, but a keeper next year of Achane might be better...

Over Lamb? Why?

He looks great but this is pretty over the moon.

Diggs is great too. It would be hard for me to pass on that.

I'd guess more for the matchup this weekend then any real analysis of the player values. I'm thinking Buffalo-Miami this weekend is going to be an absolute shootout, where Dallas-N.E. smells like a "Why throw when you can win by feeding the ball to Tony Pollard" sort of game. Right now I'm more torn between Cook or Achane to make certain I get a share of some of that juicy barn burner action. Part of why I was considering moving on Diggs was to get an even better share of Buffalo this week.

That said, after I do some actual analysis on who to start, it probably should be Lamb, who is obviously a quality player, and who I'd start most weeks. What's throwing me is that I know Achane will revert back to mean - nobody does 200+ and 4 every week. But right now, what the heck is Achane's mean? We've seen 1 actual game (nuts), plus college film (pretty damn good), plus know that Miami might be VERY special this year. Can Achane turn 12-15 touches a game in that offence into 70 and a touchdown a week average? Less? More? I just don't know yet, and guessing is why I'm leaning towards starting him - the situation is good, he's got massive potential, and we don't know what "regular week Achane" really look like yet.

No one knows what an average game will look like for Achane right now.

I would want 4 games before even trying a guess and 8 or more games for a better guess.

For the purpose of actual projections I would want more games than that.

Obviously you dont have that luxury for making decisions this week.

From a process based decision we have a lot more games to work with for Lamb, so that would be an easy decision for me. Doesnt mean it will be right but odds are in ones favor choosing Lamb over Achane here.

The decision between Achane and Cook is harder. Cook has been good too. This is where considering strength of the defensive match up comes into play more I think and Im not sure at this moment who has the better defense. I would guess Buffalo but I dont know. Something worth looking up and considering if I were you.

As far as the trade option for Diggs thats not a short term decision but a long term one. Thats why I would lean towards Diggs on that one for the same reasons to start Lamb but that could be wrong.

 

[Smack Tripper]

If you can't give the Chane Man a start off in Week 4, why are you playing fantasy!

 

[cockroach]

If you can't give the Chane Man a start off in Week 4, why are you playing fantasy!

I've got him in over Brian Robinson vs Philly and Gabe Davis vs Miami. LFG.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

The past few years, I've organized a kids league with my oldest son. This year he said he wasn't interested, so I got my 8 y.o. to take over the team. He doesn't really understand how football works, much less fantasy, but I've been slowly teaching him. The first game we had a chance to sit down together and watch start to finish was the Dolphins-Broncos game, which was a hell of a way to introduce a kid to football.

Anyway, that league was the only one I play in where Achane was available, so I had to pick him up. And even though it's a 8-teamer and our roster is stacked, we're going to start him this week over Walker, Metcalf, Javonte and Zay Flowers. Because we'll be watching Dolphins-Bills and how much fun would it be if he went off again?

Objectively, is he a good start this week? Probably not. But from my perspective it's a no-brainer

 

[zoonation]

Starting him over Montgomery

 

[GPS]

Starting him over Warren, GDavis, Addison, Palmer and Jeudy. He may bust, but the thought of him blowing up on my bench again scares me much more.

 

[FarFromHome]

Starting him over Warren, GDavis, Addison, Palmer and Jeudy. He may bust, but the thought of him blowing up on my bench again scares me much more.

Your options aren't locked in guys so I'd definitely start this kid over any of them.

 

[top dog]

Sitting him again this week so I'm sure he will explode for points again. You guys are welcome.

Just can't bring myself to start hime over Miles Sanders, Mike Evans or Waddle.

 

[JohnnyU]

OK this thread convinced me to take him off waivers Saturday. Glad I did. Wish I'd started him. In any case wondering how people view going forward. Is he a 50/50 split with Mossert? When Wilson returns a RBBC? Wondering how high people think his position is now. Better than Montgomery with the Lions when he returns?

I haven't heard anything about Jeff Wilson since he went on 4 game IR. However, the statement below from Coach McDaniel a few weeks ago makes me think he may take longer than 4 weeks. Also, Wilson started out strong last year in Miami,but faded some down the stretch. He's a JAG can do everything but not a threat to Achane.

>>McDaniel said Wilson had “a midsection injury compounded by some finger issues. We made the assessment he couldn’t protect himself and couldn’t be himself the way we know him to be. Time is the best healer. His true passion in life is to play this game so he will do everything he can. I wouldn’t be surprised if he would make a return this season. We will let his body tell us.”<<

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article277074683.html

Wilson's a fine player and may have a role when healthy but he can't do what Achane did.

All he has to do is have a role and you have a 3 headed monster on your hands.

 

[FarFromHome]

OK this thread convinced me to take him off waivers Saturday. Glad I did. Wish I'd started him. In any case wondering how people view going forward. Is he a 50/50 split with Mossert? When Wilson returns a RBBC? Wondering how high people think his position is now. Better than Montgomery with the Lions when he returns?

I haven't heard anything about Jeff Wilson since he went on 4 game IR. However, the statement below from Coach McDaniel a few weeks ago makes me think he may take longer than 4 weeks. Also, Wilson started out strong last year in Miami,but faded some down the stretch. He's a JAG can do everything but not a threat to Achane.

>>McDaniel said Wilson had “a midsection injury compounded by some finger issues. We made the assessment he couldn’t protect himself and couldn’t be himself the way we know him to be. Time is the best healer. His true passion in life is to play this game so he will do everything he can. I wouldn’t be surprised if he would make a return this season. We will let his body tell us.”<<

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article277074683.html

Wilson's a fine player and may have a role when healthy but he can't do what Achane did.

All he has to do is have a role and you have a 3 headed monster on your hands.

Yep. The "this kid is Chris Johnson" folks dont want to hear it, but selling high might not be a bad idea. ***Ducks head****

 

[JohnnyU]

He has Matt Asiata feel about him.

The 230 pound plodder that ran a 4.77 40 and didn't even get drafted? Great comp.

You don't see it?

I don't post here as much as most, but I do SEE more trolling than I ever remember. What's the point of your post?

Well. I'm old. I've been an active member to fantasy football message boards for decades. I will say that not all are the same. Some are super strict. Some are super aggressive. Some are quite volatile. I found this one quite refreshing. Open opinions. Open ideas. If you think it has too many trolls you need to get out more. Ha ha. My point was just being silly. Dude just hit 200 yards at an 11 yard a carry clip displaying blazing speed. Who is the slowest plodding rb you can think of? Mine was Asiata. It was a joke. Obviously a bad joke to you. My bad. You called me a troll? Hilarious. My intention was being silly in the narrative conversation of a player thread. I apologize to you and also the Asiata family.

What value does such a stupid comment add to the forum? Get your jollies elsewhere. No one laughed, and TBH, all it does is spark up a side discussion like the one we're having. Again, what's the point?

This is why we can’t have nice things.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Only league I care about I'm starting him over James Connor, James Cook and Breece Hall. Very deep league with nothing on the WW. His running mate will be K9. My team is consistent enough that I'm going to roll with what I believe to be the highest ceiling player on my roster. Bills are going to have to make a choice in this one with Waddle back. Let two of the best WRs in the league run free, or lighten the box and give Mostert/Achane room to roam. Achane's early usage last week gives me more confidence in the play I'm making. Had all the production come in garbage time I likely wouldn't go this route, but it wasn't, he was in the game early and often, even in the red zone. The coaches love him, and trust him.

ETA - Non-PPR league but even if it were PPR Achane would be in my lineup. It would however be a more difficult choice between Cook and KWIII.

 

[FarFromHome]

Only league I care about I'm starting him over James Connor, James Cook and Breece Hall. Very deep league with nothing on the WW. His running mate will be K9. My team is consistent enough that I'm going to roll with what I believe to be the highest ceiling player on my roster. Bills are going to have to make a choice in this one with Waddle back. Let two of the best WRs in the league run free, or lighten the box and give Mostert/Achane room to roam. Achane's early usage last week gives me more confidence in the play I'm making. Had all the production come in garbage time I likely wouldn't go this route, but it wasn't, he was in the game early and often, even in the red zone. The coaches love him, and trust him.

ETA - Non-PPR league but even if it were PPR Achane would be in my lineup. It would however be a more difficult choice between Cook and KWIII.

Wow. Thats called putting your money where your mouth is. Most owners dont have those options. I can definitely see the debate him over Breece at this stage of the season.

 

[eagles 123]

Jeff Wilson is going to break so many hearts this season.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Ugh...Got him at my flex over Montgomery this week. Might need to make a trade so I don't outsmart myself like this every week

 

[dmac37]

Starting him over Montgomery

Yikes, sorry....

 

[cockroach]

Jeff Wilson is going to break so many hearts this season.

How many does he have?

I was thinking an ankle, calf or groin would send him back to the IR, but you're thinking upper body, eh?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jeff Wilson is going to break so many hearts this season.

You've gotta be kidding
You think Miami is that interested in getting him worked into the offense right now?
Miami traded a 5th for him last year, he did help ease the burden on Raheem Mostert but fans here quickly saw the limitations with a Jeff Wilson
Great back up, nothing for Achane and Mostert to lose a bunch of snaps and playing time.

-I could see Wilson rotated in for Mostert, Raheem has never carried the ball 200+ in a season and I could see a load management...

-Miami has a Bye week in Week 10 after they play KC in Germany, the team they play in Week 11 is the Raiders
I could see Mostert given a nice rest period in the middle of the year where he has between Weeks 9 and say Week 12 they can mostly rest Mostert, maybe even Achane to keep their RBs fresh. Miami also has a bruising type RB that was an UDFA this season in Chris Brooks.

AS a person that watches every one of their snaps, it just doesn't seem logical for Miami to push Wilson into duty, he's great depth however for Miami

 

[Jamesinaz]

Thank goodness I played Montgomery yesterday. And have Achane in over Lockett. Although might swap Lockett in for Aiyuk if he ins't healthy.

 

[Da Franchise]

Yeah Adam Levitan was speculating his pod that when Wilson comes back he may split with Mostert and Achane’s role would essentially be unchanged. Sounds reasonable to me. I certainly would not want to take the ball out of his hands.

 

[CHEF]

I'm starting him out of necessity and also how can you not start him after the last game? I already lost Chubb for the season in that league. Breece will have to ride the bench until the Jets get their act together. Kamara is coming off of suspension at the right time for me as well since my only other option right now is Hunt. I dropped Kelley so I could move Kamara from reserve to active. Kelley has been a huge disappointment, so this week he will go off if Ekeler is still out.

 

[zoonation]

I started Achane over Montgomery. So expect 35+ points.

 

[packer_junkie]

Thinking about trading Waller + Lawerence (back up qb) for Achane....

Is everyone here ALL ABOARD???

 

[Banger]

Thinking about trading Waller + Lawerence (back up qb) for Achane....

Is everyone here ALL ABOARD???

if you can pull that off I'd run not walk to accept

 

[gump]

RB30 in the PPR rankings here...

 

[Faust]

The secret to Dolphins rookie De'Von Achane's breakout makes Miami even more of a nightmare to defend

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Jeff Wilson is going to break so many hearts this season.

You've gotta be kidding
You think Miami is that interested in getting him worked into the offense right now?
Miami traded a 5th for him last year, he did help ease the burden on Raheem Mostert but fans here quickly saw the limitations with a Jeff Wilson
Great back up, nothing for Achane and Mostert to lose a bunch of snaps and playing time.

-I could see Wilson rotated in for Mostert, Raheem has never carried the ball 200+ in a season and I could see a load management...

-Miami has a Bye week in Week 10 after they play KC in Germany, the team they play in Week 11 is the Raiders
I could see Mostert given a nice rest period in the middle of the year where he has between Weeks 9 and say Week 12 they can mostly rest Mostert, maybe even Achane to keep their RBs fresh. Miami also has a bruising type RB that was an UDFA this season in Chris Brooks.

AS a person that watches every one of their snaps, it just doesn't seem logical for Miami to push Wilson into duty, he's great depth however for Miami

That's cute that people actually think Miami will have all three RBs healthy for more than two weeks this season. You've got a couple guys who could sprain their MCL getting off the team bus and a third who weighs like a buck-forty-five.

I think it's worth having as many shares as you can of the Miami RB (and offense in general), but the most likely scenario is that they will all have value at some point this season based on the other guys' injury status

 

[SoBeDad]

That's cute that people actually think Miami will have all three RBs healthy for more than two weeks this season. You've got a couple guys who could sprain their MCL getting off the team bus and a third who weighs like a buck-forty-five.

Is there a relationshp between size and injury? I thought that was successfully challenged years ago.

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[GPS]

That's cute that people actually think Miami will have all three RBs healthy for more than two weeks this season. You've got a couple guys who could sprain their MCL getting off the team bus and a third who weighs like a buck-forty-five.

Is there a relationshp between size and injury? I thought that was successfully challenged years ago.

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One or more being out for any particular game helps clarify the situation if anything. Not wishing for an injury by any means, but concerning Wilson's/Mostert's histories, they were a factor in drafting Achane for me anyway (and where was that?...round 16...?).

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

That's cute that people actually think Miami will have all three RBs healthy for more than two weeks this season. You've got a couple guys who could sprain their MCL getting off the team bus and a third who weighs like a buck-forty-five.

Is there a relationshp between size and injury? I thought that was successfully challenged years ago.

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One or more being out for any particular game helps clarify the situation if anything. Not wishing for an injury by any means, but concerning Wilson's/Mostert's histories, they were a factor in drafting Achane for me anyway (and where was that?...round 16...?).

Yeah, I was mostly joking. Like I said, I think everyone should be buying shares in that offense. I just wonder how frequently we'll see all three of them suiting up this year

 

[need2know]

Starting over mattison

 

[zoonation]

RB30 in the PPR rankings here...

The PPR rankings here (and everywhere) are completely useless information. Montgomery was ranked RB34.

"expert" rankings are basically a laser pointer for cats.

 

[Jamesinaz]

I am surprised at how many experts would not start Achane. Keep in mind I play a non-PPR league.

Tremblay would start Garrett Wilson over Achane
Freeman would start Jaylen Warren over Achane

OK I get it he has ONE game and clearly it will be an outlier. But come on. Miami has to take note of how explosive he was and use him in some form of split with Mostert. I dunno. I am starting him over those two and Lockett.

 

[SoBeDad]

I am surprised at how many experts would not start Achane. Keep in mind I play a non-PPR league.

Tremblay would start Garrett Wilson over Achane
Freeman would start Jaylen Warren over Achane

OK I get it he has ONE game and clearly it will be an outlier. But come on. Miami has to take note of how explosive he was and use him in some form of split with Mostert. I dunno. I am starting him over those two and Lockett.

Plus, high scoring game likely.

 

[DocHolliday]

I am surprised at how many experts would not start Achane. Keep in mind I play a non-PPR league.

Tremblay would start Garrett Wilson over Achane
Freeman would start Jaylen Warren over Achane

OK I get it he has ONE game and clearly it will be an outlier. But come on. Miami has to take note of how explosive he was and use him in some form of split with Mostert. I dunno. I am starting him over those two and Lockett.

Makes sense.

 

[need2know]

I am surprised at how many experts would not start Achane. Keep in mind I play a non-PPR league.

Tremblay would start Garrett Wilson over Achane
Freeman would start Jaylen Warren over Achane

OK I get it he has ONE game and clearly it will be an outlier. But come on. Miami has to take note of how explosive he was and use him in some form of split with Mostert. I dunno. I am starting him over those two and Lockett.

Makes sense.

I dunno
Not over those guys

 

[chad in Indy]

I am surprised at how many experts would not start Achane. Keep in mind I play a non-PPR league.

Tremblay would start Garrett Wilson over Achane
Freeman would start Jaylen Warren over Achane

OK I get it he has ONE game and clearly it will be an outlier. But come on. Miami has to take note of how explosive he was and use him in some form of split with Mostert. I dunno. I am starting him over those two and Lockett.

Don't forget. The dude weighs less than 190. That is smaller than tyreek hill. How would you feel about Hill at RB? He's not built to take many reps at RB. I think the outlier was in the number of reps he got. Miami isn't gonna play Denver every week.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Not to be a wet blanket, but if everyone looked good against the Broncos then nobody looked good against the Broncos.

If everyone already "kissed" Suzy, then it means less when I kiss Suzy. I had the distinct privilege of dropping him after seeing Mostert breakout.


Did you know that most league software won't even let you put in a claim for a player you dropped? D'oh!



With that said, you would have to be blind not to be excited about his prospects. But Waddle was out, so you have to account that many of those targets would have gone to him. Also, in a competitive game Mostert probably stays in as well.


The arrow is pointing straight up. This Dolphins offense COULD be historic or Achene might not see the endzone for the rest of the season. I have him as a RB3 / Flex guy, if some guppy wants to overpay you for that I would trade him. His value will never be higher than this. But I suspect most of you already know this.

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

RB30 in the PPR rankings here...

The PPR rankings here (and everywhere) are completely useless information. Montgomery was ranked RB34.

"expert" rankings are basically a laser pointer for cats.

I studied this in 2022, taking the ECR vs Actual scoring for 16 weeks. For any given week the ECR Rsquared vs Actual was only .16 on average (16% of scores variance were predicted by Expert rank). However over the whole 16 weeks the average scoring by ECR had an Rsquared of .86. So any given week it is a crap shoot but over the course of a season, it's best not to deviate too much from ECR. Just like dice, 7 is most likely to come up but that's only 16% of the time, if you want guess 5,6,8, or 9 fine but going out on a limb too far, 2,3,4, 10,11,12 will bite you.

 

[SoBeDad]

Don't forget. The dude weighs less than 190. That is smaller than tyreek hill. How would you feel about Hill at RB? He's not built to take many reps at RB. I think the outlier was in the number of reps he got. Miami isn't gonna play Denver every weweek.

His BMI is the as CMC's. He had over 30 carries in his last college game vs LSU and multiple games with 18+ carries vs SEC defenses. I think he splits time with Mostert about 50/50 this week, like last week until the 4th quarter when Mostert sat. It could change if and when Wilson comes back. 15 carries and 2 to 4 receptions is my expectation this week.

 

[Jamesinaz]

I am surprised at how many experts would not start Achane. Keep in mind I play a non-PPR league.

Tremblay would start Garrett Wilson over Achane
Freeman would start Jaylen Warren over Achane

OK I get it he has ONE game and clearly it will be an outlier. But come on. Miami has to take note of how explosive he was and use him in some form of split with Mostert. I dunno. I am starting him over those two and Lockett.

Don't forget. The dude weighs less than 190. That is smaller than tyreek hill. How would you feel about Hill at RB? He's not built to take many reps at RB. I think the outlier was in the number of reps he got. Miami isn't gonna play Denver every week.

I think the thing with Achane is even in a RBBC backfield if he gets 15 touches total a game he can be a game changer. Consider if Hill actually got the ball 15 times in a game. We'll see I guess. He is in my flex this week behind B Robinson and Montgomery.

 

[Bad_Mo2]

In one re-draft league, I drafted him in the 11th round. Dropped him Week 2 for Mostert. Last week was a historic performance by both RBs. Achane got alot of those yards and 2 scores against a Denver defense that quit. Same could be said for some of Mostert's yards and a score. I feel Achane will be banged up well before Mostert and Wilson may be a back burner thought if one of the two goes down.

 

[cockroach]

Also, in a competitive game Mostert probably stays in as well.

He out snapped Mostert in the 1st q and had 100/2 by the end of the first half.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Also, in a competitive game Mostert probably stays in as well.

He out snapped Mostert in the 1st q and had 100/2 by the end of the first half.

It's all so whacky to be discernable. All I know is I drafted him heavily as my RB3 and dropped all shares of him last week.


Thank you for your input.

 

[Dez]

Missed his likely best game of his entire career last week. Went from 1 carry a game through 2 weeks to 51 pts. Crazy.

 

[need2know]

Didn't realize he was that small. He needs to put on some weight

 

[Dez]

Drafted Gibbs at 1.02 in 3 rookie drafts looks like I took the wrong guy

 

[TripItUp]

Sell HIGH

 

[chad in Indy]

Don't forget. The dude weighs less than 190. That is smaller than tyreek hill. How would you feel about Hill at RB? He's not built to take many reps at RB. I think the outlier was in the number of reps he got. Miami isn't gonna play Denver every weweek.

His BMI is the as CMC's. He had over 30 carries in his last college game vs LSU and multiple games with 18+ carries vs SEC defenses. I think he splits time with Mostert about 50/50 this week, like last week until the 4th quarter when Mostert sat. It could change if and when Wilson comes back. 15 carries and 2 to 4 receptions is my expectation this week.

That's like saying lightweight boxer can go in the heavyweight division bc he has a similar BMI. It's just not a good measurable. CMC is listed at 209 and is an outlier for weight at RB. Going under 200 lbs is cliff for RBs. I can think of maybe 6 that have been successful. Under 190, good luck. 16 touches a game is what you expect? He won't last 4 weeks at that size getting hit by 300+ lb lineman. I hope he can perform, but think the glasses are way to rosey.

 

[SoBeDad]

Missed his likely best game of his entire career last week. Went from 1 carry a game through 2 weeks to 51 pts. Crazy.

He looked explosive on a couple of his limited carries in 2 preseason games. He showed toughness on a 10 yard pass over the middle when he got popped hard as soon as he caught the pass but got up immediately. Then he hurt his shoulder on a body slam tackle into the turf and missed preseason gm 3 and game 1. Ahmed got hurt in gm 2 and the rest is hx. He was a hold if on your team b4 game 3