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RB Devin Singletary, NYG (3 Viewers)

if Moss were hurt, Singletary would be very very good

if Singletary were hurt, Moss would be good

that's the way I see them, BUF doesn't though 

 
Moss hasn’t had a Top 24 game since Week 3. Consistent at eh.

He’s exceeded your expectations @Chaka bc as you admit you had none. My point was bc the Bills offense is predicated on Allen and the passing game - you cannot reliably start either (or any) Bills RB.

You said the touchdowns will come. He has 4 in 5 games. You thinking he should be scoring at King Henry’s rate? GL with that.

Anyway, rock on brother.
I sincerely am not sure what you are talking about.

I very clearly said Moss was drafted as a #4 RB possible flex player. At the very least he has been that. I very clearly said Singletary has been a disappointment drafted as a #3 RB possible flex player.

I said I believe Singletary will have a correction in TDs. I never said Moss would score at a Henry TD pace. I am sure the James Conner owner doesn't think so either.

I also very clearly said either is droppable depending on circumstances.

What am I missing?

I get the feeling people drafted these two guys hoping one would turn into a lottery ticket league winner. Hasn't happened probably won't and it probably should never have been the expectation. The blame for that doesn't fall on Moss or Singletary.

If Moss covers my byes adequately he has validated his 10th round draft position.  Everything else is gravy. 

 
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But no one drafted Zach Moss or Devin Singletary to start in week 2, if you had them starting week two then something went horribly wrong.

I drafted him to cover byes, which he's doing for me this week and to maybe be an occasional flex if things didn't work out with other draftees or maybe if Zack Moss emerged as something better than I thought.

You don't draft points you draft opportunities. Singletary and Moss are providing the opportunities that you drafted them for. If you drafted them to be your number one or number two running back that was a mistake. But I doubt many people did that.

Just because they haven't emerge as your super sleeper lottery pick candidate doesn't mean it was a mistake of a draft pick.

Of course both of them are droppable depending on your circumstances but at this point in the season I don't think there's anything on my wire that I would do it for, your mileage may vary of course.
Agreed, but then why are you "happy" with his performance if you've yet to use him? He hasn't helped you at all yet, he has next to zero trade value, he's just been taking up a bench spot, no? Maybe he'll help you this week, maybe he'll hurt you.

You're kind of painting with a broad brush here- many people (myself included) don't draft for the "safe" ~10 points, we prefer to go for upside with our later picks. Ironically I did draft Singletary this year (late), but had (and still have) zero intentions of ever starting him unless he breaks out and/or something happens to Moss. Neither have, so on the bench he sits (same with Moss for most owners)

There also isn't one outlier game that's propping up Moss's points per game average he's been reasonably consistent. .

He's had 10, 16, 15, 15 & 12 opportunities per game for 15, 15, 10, 9 & 4 points.

Where's the outlier? A 15-point game? That means you also get to exclude the four-point game because that's how statistics work.

Moss may not pan out as a bye week filler this week for me but that's how it goes in magic football.
Sure, reasonably consistently mediocre. Again, not what many people are looking for, those guys are a dime a dozen in most leagues.

I didn't exclude it because it was an outlier, I mentioned it because you excluded week 1 because he didn't play- well, he didn't play (for pretty much anyone in FF) in week 2 either. It's sort of a "functional" performance- he was in a lot more lineups last week for his bad performance than he was in week 2.

I sincerely am not sure what you are talking about.

I very clearly said Moss was drafted as a #4 RB possible flex player. At the very least he has been that. I very clearly said Singletary has been a disappointment drafted as a #3 RB possible flex player.

I said I believe Singletary will have a correction in TDs. I never said Moss would score at a Henry TD pace. I am sure the James Conner owner doesn't think so either.

I also very clearly said either is droppable depending on circumstances.

What am I missing?

I get the feeling people drafted these two guys hoping one would turn into a lottery ticket league winner. Hasn't happened probably won't and it probably should never have been the expectation. The blame for that doesn't fall on Moss or Singletary.

If Moss covers my byes adequately he has validated his 10th round draft position.  Everything else is gravy. 
Again, that's why you drafted him, not why everyone did (plus people have them in dynasty). The only reason I drafted Singletary was in the off-chance that he exceeded expectations, likely due to injury to Moss. Hasn't happened, no biggie he was a late dart throw anyway. Yes, they are both performing about how they were expected to, I just think that's a lot less useful than you seem to (I know Singletary hasn't been in the lineup yet in my league since I own him, pretty sure last week was the first time Moss was and that was a bust).

I think the main point is that neither Bills RB has a high ceiling while the other is playing. Many people draft for ceiling, considering it isn't that difficult to find guys with their floor on the WW. A big part of the reason why their ceilings are so low is that there are so few TDs available for the RBs in Buffalo- why do you expect a "correction", when they're actually on a higher pace than the last 2 years? The RB pie in Buff is pretty small, only really worth using if there's only 1 option IMO.

 
I get the feeling people drafted these two guys hoping one would turn into a lottery ticket league winner. Hasn't happened probably won't and it probably should never have been the expectation. The blame for that doesn't fall on Moss or Singletary.


dafuq are you arguing about? you ok buddy?

You took umbrage that I said I feel sorry for anyone who drafted a Bills running back and had expectations it would work out for them. Which, by the way, you've agreed with in several meandering posts.

You ever think about stepping away from the keyboard for a minute and taking a break? Just a thought.

 
dafuq are you arguing about? you ok buddy?

You took umbrage that I said I feel sorry for anyone who drafted a Bills running back and had expectations it would work out for them. Which, by the way, you've agreed with in several meandering posts.

You ever think about stepping away from the keyboard for a minute and taking a break? Just a thought.
Sir, please don't circumvent the language filter.

I take umbrage at the fact that you think I took umbrage!

THERE WAS NO UMBRAGE!!! Until now, NOW THERE'S UMBRAGE!!!

 
Agreed, but then why are you "happy" with his performance if you've yet to use him? He hasn't helped you at all yet, he has next to zero trade value, he's just been taking up a bench spot, no? Maybe he'll help you this week, maybe he'll hurt you.

You're kind of painting with a broad brush here- many people (myself included) don't draft for the "safe" ~10 points, we prefer to go for upside with our later picks. Ironically I did draft Singletary this year (late), but had (and still have) zero intentions of ever starting him unless he breaks out and/or something happens to Moss. Neither have, so on the bench he sits (same with Moss for most owners)

Sure, reasonably consistently mediocre. Again, not what many people are looking for, those guys are a dime a dozen in most leagues.

I didn't exclude it because it was an outlier, I mentioned it because you excluded week 1 because he didn't play- well, he didn't play (for pretty much anyone in FF) in week 2 either. It's sort of a "functional" performance- he was in a lot more lineups last week for his bad performance than he was in week 2.

Again, that's why you drafted him, not why everyone did (plus people have them in dynasty). The only reason I drafted Singletary was in the off-chance that he exceeded expectations, likely due to injury to Moss. Hasn't happened, no biggie he was a late dart throw anyway. Yes, they are both performing about how they were expected to, I just think that's a lot less useful than you seem to (I know Singletary hasn't been in the lineup yet in my league since I own him, pretty sure last week was the first time Moss was and that was a bust).

I think the main point is that neither Bills RB has a high ceiling while the other is playing. Many people draft for ceiling, considering it isn't that difficult to find guys with their floor on the WW. A big part of the reason why their ceilings are so low is that there are so few TDs available for the RBs in Buffalo- why do you expect a "correction", when they're actually on a higher pace than the last 2 years? The RB pie in Buff is pretty small, only really worth using if there's only 1 option IMO.
I said they are droppable.

You drafted these guys as lottery picks and they still are lottery picks. You see other lottery picks you prefer on your wire by all means go get them, you have my blessing.

I drafted Moss, and Sermon as lottery picks that could potentially cover my byes. I dumped Sermon weeks ago.  I drafted White mostly as a stop gap, bye week cover. I would probably be rolling him out this week had he not gone down.

Moss is still a lottery pick with the added benefit that he gets 14 touches per game (seriously how can you not love that from a 10th round RB#4?), catches a little and has a decent chance to score a TD.  I don't see any guy on my wire who offers the same immediate RoI with lottery pick upside. YMMV

 
You know how some guys sign with a team, get cut, then sign back the next week, then hit the practice squad, then get cut again...because teams make transactional moves and they're always the expendable one? They're just good enough to be considered but not good enough to have a secure spot?

That's Singletary and Moss in my (smaller) league. A team picks them up for the potential, then has other ideas and drops them, then someone else picks them up, rinse and repeat. Barring injury, you can't start either of them because neither will establish themselves. 

Because the Bills don't want one of them to establish themselves imo. They want both to play a lot. So they're just depth in deeper leagues in case you have to start somebody and hope it's their big week when you do. 

 
I said they are droppable.

You drafted these guys as lottery picks and they still are lottery picks. You see other lottery picks you prefer on your wire by all means go get them, you have my blessing.

I drafted Moss, and Sermon as lottery picks that could potentially cover my byes. I dumped Sermon weeks ago.  I drafted White mostly as a stop gap, bye week cover. I would probably be rolling him out this week had he not gone down.

Moss is still a lottery pick with the added benefit that he gets 14 touches per game (seriously how can you not love that from a 10th round RB#4?), catches a little and has a decent chance to score a TD.  I don't see any guy on my wire who offers the same immediate RoI with lottery pick upside. YMMV
No offense, you're kind of all over the place and you've said a lot of things in here. I'm basically saying the same thing the two previous posters said, they are lottery ticket holds and not worthy of starting unless something changes, and you liked their posts but keep arguing with me.

Remember, this started with you quoting an older post, basically saying how happy you are with Moss and how Singletary only needs the TDs (that you think are coming for some unknown reason since they never have before). I don't love that he gets 14 touches per game because he doesn't do much with them- I can get more than 11 points in PPR from multiple guys ahead of him on my bench. I disagree that he is the "perfect" bye week fill in and potential flex starter- I want guys with higher floors and ceilings, and neither of these guys has those unless the other one is out.

 
Devin Singletary rushed 6 times for 16 yards in the Bills' Week 9 loss to the Jaguars, adding seven receptions for 43 yards on eight targets.

Singletary had five carries to Zack Moss' three before Moss exited with a concussion, meaning that Singletary was more involved this week that expected. His additional snaps didn't lead to fantasy production, with overall volume limited for the struggling Bills offense. However, Singletary's share of the backfield was a good sign for his usage going forward. If Moss returns against the Jets in Week 10, Singletary will have some RB2 fill-in appeal. He'll be a strong RB2 option in Moss in unable to play.

- NBC SportsEDGE

 
At this point you could combine their stats and it would be tough to get excited about them.  :X

 
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The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia said it's "clear" the Bills "trust" Devin Singletary as their lead back. 

It only took three and a half months but it seems the Bills have landed on Singletary as the team's clear-cut lead back. He's dominated backfield snaps of late -- relegating Matt Breida to spot duty -- while Zack Moss has been inactive for most of the past month. "Singletary has put his ball-security issues to rest and shown a spark with some chunk plays when the Bills have needed it," Buscaglia noted. Against Carolina in Week 15, Singletary ran for 86 yards and a score on 22 rushing attempts. He led Buffalo backs with 27 pass routes, though he only saw one target. Fantasy managers can finally trust Singletary as a low-ceiling RB2 play. He gets the Patriots in Week 16. 

RELATED: 

Zack Moss

, Matt Breida

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Dec 20, 2021, 8:59 AM ET

 
Nice. I’m glad I held on all year hoping for this. I had a bye this week, but hoping he gets the same workload the next two weeks!

 
Devin Singletary rushed 10 times for 26 yards and one touchdown, adding four catches for 25 yards on five targets in the pass game in the Bills' Divisional Round loss to the Chiefs.

He handled all 14 running-back touches for the Bills. Singletary emerged as the Bills' every-down back late in the season. pushing Zack Moss and Matt Breida out of the picture. Singletary's rushing attempts (188), yards (870), and touchdowns (7) were all career-highs for Singletary in his third pro season. Singletary will head into his contract year of 2022 as the Bills' lead back, but we'd expect Buffalo to address its backfield in some form or fashion this offseason. Singletary looks like an RB2 for fantasy right now, but that could certainly change.

- NBCSportsEDGE

 
I understand the issues Cook presents and the strength of the 2023 draft. With that in mind, would you move a 2023 third rounder for Singletary? I feel like it should be done. 

 
I understand the issues Cook presents and the strength of the 2023 draft. With that in mind, would you move a 2023 third rounder for Singletary? I feel like it should be done. 
Third rounder seems like a no-brainer - although I don't see many people settling for a third round pick.

 
It was offered to me. I wanted to make sure I wasnt missing something. Thanks. 
I paid a mid-second earlier in the offseason. While I do like Cook and think he'll be worked in - especially on passing downs - I still think Singletary should lead the committee and he finished last season very strong.

 
I paid a mid-second earlier in the offseason. While I do like Cook and think he'll be worked in - especially on passing downs - I still think Singletary should lead the committee and he finished last season very strong.
Here are my thoughts on the Buffalo RB room.  I'm not a James Cook truther, but he will have PPR value.  I can see the Bills taking another RB in 2023 that smashes the current room.  As to whether Singletary is worth a 2023 3rd, you're looking at players like Zach Charbonnet RB UCLA,  Cedric Tillman WR Tennessee, Will Levis QB Kentucky (he could stay another year because of NIL deal), Dontay Demus WR Maryland, Devon Achane RB Texas AM, Tavion Thomas RB Utah, Kanata Mumpfield WR Pittsburgh (redshirt sophomore), Jayden Reed WR Michigan St., Travis Dye RB USC, Rasheen Ali RB Marshall, Benjamin Yurosek TE Stanford.

I would think Singletary is worth more than any of these players, especially for 2022.  At the end of the day, Singletary or any one of these players may not be worth a lot in 2023 for a rebuilding team.

 
I understand the issues Cook presents and the strength of the 2023 draft. With that in mind, would you move a 2023 third rounder for Singletary? I feel like it should be done. 
Singletary is the lead back for 2022.

as lead back with limited involvement in receiving game, he was top10 down the stretch in 2021.

should be near that level for 2022.

Cook will get receptions, but in a different role and from diff locations on the field.

more of a gadget guy that McKenzie filled some last year.

 
I understand the issues Cook presents and the strength of the 2023 draft. With that in mind, would you move a 2023 third rounder for Singletary? I feel like it should be done. 
I would pay a 2nd. I doubt a 3rd gets it done. Singletary showed extremely well down the stretch. He should be the more valuable BUF RB. 

 
The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia reports the Bills' coaching remains "firmly behind" Devin Singletary. 

Singletary stabilized the Bills' backfield all by himself down the stretch last season, but the front office aggressively searched for a third-down back this offseason before landing on Georgia's James Cook in the second round of the draft. Buscaglia expects touches to unfold the way most fantasy managers have prognosticated, with Singletary remaining the clear lead back on early downs and Cook claiming pass-catching and breather snaps. Singletary's upside is dicey in a pass-first offense that does not hesitate to abandon the run — or give its quarterback goal-line carries — but he is a top-30 option who could crack the top 24. 

SOURCE: The Athletic

Jun 30, 2022, 11:44 PM ET

 
Listening to a Bills podcast the other day got me re-thinking about Singletary and I think he may be primed for a very nice fantasy year. I’ve been a little hesitant about feeling that way because of how good Moss has reportedly looked in the preseason and the talk about how Moss was hurt all last year but healthy this year. So I was thinking Moss would take goal line, short yardage, and some misc carries away in addition to work that Cook will get.

But the truth is, that Moss will likely be inactive a whole lot. Buffalo is going to have TE/FB Reggie Gilliam active, special teams ace/RB Taiwan Jones active, and likely 3rd down back James Cook active in addition to Singletary. No way they have another RB active on game days, though maybe some days they’ll go heavy and make Moss active and Cook inactive. They’ll then use Gilliam or Josh for short yardage/goal line work in high leverage situations without Moss.

Bottom line, I think that Singletary is in for a large workload and under new O-line coach Aaron Kromer with some improved linemen, the run blocking looks way way better than it did last year.
 
Listening to a Bills podcast the other day got me re-thinking about Singletary and I think he may be primed for a very nice fantasy year. I’ve been a little hesitant about feeling that way because of how good Moss has reportedly looked in the preseason and the talk about how Moss was hurt all last year but healthy this year. So I was thinking Moss would take goal line, short yardage, and some misc carries away in addition to work that Cook will get.

But the truth is, that Moss will likely be inactive a whole lot. Buffalo is going to have TE/FB Reggie Gilliam active, special teams ace/RB Taiwan Jones active, and likely 3rd down back James Cook active in addition to Singletary. No way they have another RB active on game days, though maybe some days they’ll go heavy and make Moss active and Cook inactive. They’ll then use Gilliam or Josh for short yardage/goal line work in high leverage situations without Moss.

Bottom line, I think that Singletary is in for a large workload and under new O-line coach Aaron Kromer with some improved linemen, the run blocking looks way way better than it did last year.
Have a look in on the RB thread, I like Dev Singletary a lot and he offers some nice value if you draft 1 Stud RB and 3 high level WRs, maybe even a QB or TE already and Singletary is a nice way to round out that RB2/Flex spot.
 

Devin Singletary rushed six times for 19 yards in the Bills' Week 2 win over the Titans, adding two receptions for two additional yards.​

Singletary's services were seldom called upon in this one, with three of his six carries coming on the Bills' first drive. Singletary has just 14 carries for 67 yards on the season, but a low-volume role could be the norm for the veteran running back. Playing in a committee on a team as pass-heavy as the Bills leaves little opportunity for Singletary to make a significant impact. He's nothing more than a flex play in Week 3 against the Dolphins.
Sep 19, 2022, 11:40 PM ET
 

Devin Singletary caught 9-of-11 targets for 78 yards and a touchdown in the Bills' Week 3 loss to the Dolphins, adding nine carries for 13 additional yards.


Singletary led the Bills in carries, receptions and receiving yards while tying Stefon Diggs for the team lead in targets. The receiving usage set career highs across the board. Under unrelenting pressure, Josh Allen was forced to check down time and again. The Bills also dominated time of possession, running 90 plays to the Dolphins' 39. That's a staggering differential. This kind of usage will not be a common occurrence for Singletary, especially since Zack Moss and James Cook both remained involved this afternoon. Singletary continues to operate as a fine FLEX option but does not seem to be graduating to RB2 status despite the elite nature of his offense. Baltimore is on tap for Week 4.

- NBCSportsEDGE
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
Anyone think Cook ends up the main guy next season?
Tough call... but, right now he looks light in the *** to me. Not sure he's built for being "the guy"
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
Anyone think Cook ends up the main guy next season?
I hope not, I just traded for Singletary :)

I think it's certainly a risk but I'd rank it as a moderate risk.
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
Anyone think Cook ends up the main guy next season?
I hope not, I just traded for Singletary :)

I think it's certainly a risk but I'd rank it as a moderate risk.
Curious what kind of players people are moving for Singletary. Guy in my league has inquired about my interest and would move him. I'm a bit weak at RB2 (Hunt, Pollard, Etienne are my choices each week) but wonder if Singletary represents a lateral move or step down. The Bills seem to lean on him in tight games, but he's an afterthought in blowouts. I'd like to get the guy who finished last season so strong, but Buffalo blows a lot of people out.
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
Anyone think Cook ends up the main guy next season?
I hope not, I just traded for Singletary :)

I think it's certainly a risk but I'd rank it as a moderate risk.
Curious what kind of players people are moving for Singletary. Guy in my league has inquired about my interest and would move him. I'm a bit weak at RB2 (Hunt, Pollard, Etienne are my choices each week) but wonder if Singletary represents a lateral move or step down. The Bills seem to lean on him in tight games, but he's an afterthought in blowouts. I'd like to get the guy who finished last season so strong, but Buffalo blows a lot of people out.

I have Singletary in a 12 team league, and I would take either Hunt or Etienne for him straight up.
I do think he has blow up potential down the stretch, though. When it gets cold and bitter in Buffalo they are going to lean on the run a little more, and Singletary showed last season he can carry the rock when called upon. He was a monster in the playoffs too.
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
Anyone think Cook ends up the main guy next season?
I hope not, I just traded for Singletary :)

I think it's certainly a risk but I'd rank it as a moderate risk.
Curious what kind of players people are moving for Singletary. Guy in my league has inquired about my interest and would move him. I'm a bit weak at RB2 (Hunt, Pollard, Etienne are my choices each week) but wonder if Singletary represents a lateral move or step down. The Bills seem to lean on him in tight games, but he's an afterthought in blowouts. I'd like to get the guy who finished last season so strong, but Buffalo blows a lot of people out.
I'm in a keeper league and dealt him for a mid-round draft pick next year and Henderson...wasn't too expensive and worth the shot. I held Singletary most of the year last year and dealt him the week before he started blowing up down the stretch. I'm hoping the roles are reversed this year....I don't have a ton of optimism because they don't run in TDs (except for Allen) and you have Cook lingering but I like betting on good situations.

In your case, I think he's a slight upgrade to the guys you have but you never know with injuries, momentum, schedule...you get as many chips with upside as you can and juggle them week to week.
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
Anyone think Cook ends up the main guy next season?
I think he will be a committee guy but was hoping for a James White+ role with more ability for explosive plays. That role would be valuable in this world of RBBC.
 
I can't kick this feeling that it's Singletary's week
That is who they seem to trust in tight games. Until Cook gets more seasoned he is sprinkled in sparingly but will get more run when a lead is established. Singletary will be very busy if this is a competing game IMO and makes for a good FF play.
Anyone think Cook ends up the main guy next season?
I hope not, I just traded for Singletary :)

I think it's certainly a risk but I'd rank it as a moderate risk.
Singletary is a free agent after this season. It’s unlikely he’s re-signed.
 
Tough call... but, right now he looks light in the *** to me. Not sure he's built for being "the guy"
I disagree. He's proven over and over that he can handle it if asked.

I remember his rookie year, in a preseason game, the Bills handed him the ball somewhere around 7 or 8 plays in a row. That's unheard of. I don't think I've ever seen any RB get the ball that many times in a row. I said to myself, "Wow, that was a big time test from the coaches, and he passed."
 
Tough call... but, right now he looks light in the *** to me. Not sure he's built for being "the guy"
I disagree. He's proven over and over that he can handle it if asked.

I remember his rookie year, in a preseason game, the Bills handed him the ball somewhere around 7 or 8 plays in a row. That's unheard of. I don't think I've ever seen any RB get the ball that many times in a row. I said to myself, "Wow, that was a big time test from the coaches, and he passed."
He asked about Cook
 
Going with Sutton over Singletary, not feeling good about it though. If this isn't Singletary's week to shine, he's nothing but a desperate play
 
(fantasypros) Devin Singletary lead the Bills rushing attack Sunday, carrying the ball 17 times for 85 yards while also catching four of five targets for 22 yards in a 24-20 Week 6 win over the Chiefs.
Analysis: Singletary continues to operate as the main option out of the backfield for the Bills, out-touching James Cook 21-2 Sunday. Singletary will continue operate as an RB2 option with plenty of upside when the Bills come out of their Week 7 bye week.
 

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