RB Jacory Croskey-Merritt, WAS (16 Viewers)

[Ilov80s]

I have a question for dynasty purposes, when was the last time a 6 or 7 round rb hit and lasted for more than a year or two? Arian Foster?

Terrell Davis, Bo Jackson, Foster, Mike Anderson, Alfred Morris, and Pacheco is on his way I think...

Were any of them as hyped as this guy?

Ok now that I know that wasn't a sarcastic knock at idiots like me for taking JCM in round 7, I will try my best to answer it.

As you noted, Bo is outlier because he said he didn't want to play football. The Bucs even drafted him with the 1st pick in 1986 and Bo just declined to sign his deal and signed with the Royals instead. So Bo is just as much as a super hyped 1.01 as much as he was a 7th round pick.

Pacheco- absolutely was not hyped like this. He had a little dynasty league buzz and because of how great his workout metrics were, he was going 4th-5th rounds in rookie drafts. So in that sense very comparable to JCM. The Chiefs offense was obviously highly coveted at this time. They had Clyde Ewdwards Helaire who despite being a first round pick had been disappointing. They had McKinnon who was just a pass catching specialist. So in that regards, kind of similar to Washington's Robinson and Ekeler. One established but underwhelming RB and one veteran receiving back. CEH as RB24 in drafts in 2022. Which is probably pretty similar to where Robinson was going. Kind of that range where the good RBs are gone and you're just looking for a player on a good offense who looks set-up for lots of touches even if he's not good. Pacheco- was RB 55, going 195 overall which makes him like a last round pick. So no, he definitely did not have the hype JCM had. But realistically, where was JJCM going a couple weeks ago when we all assumed Robinson was the locked in starter? If the Chiefs had traded CEH in August, I bet Pacheco's would have have ended up a 3rd or 4th round pick because of the idea of him being attached to Mahomes.

Alfred Morris- Fantasy football wa so different then. It becoming the huge industry it is today but wasn't quite there yet. We got news on players but there were still true sleepers and things slipping through the cracks. I remember Matthew Berry (Washington fan) doing a lot of hype on Morris. He kept talking about all the good things he was hearing about Morris and that he was in on him. Morris wasn't that athletic or very interesting, he was on a bad team with a rookie QB. It's tougher to get ADP data from then. I remember having him circled as a guy I wanted to get near the end of my draft but someone beat me to him. I see in Septemebr of 2012, ESPN had him ranked as RB62 and going 245 overall so basically he was typically undrafted.

The other guys are simply too old to know and fantasy just wasn't like it is now. So surely they were coming with very little hype.

 

[bcat01]

Got him in the 12th in a 10 team.

 

[Ilov80s]

Bill went undrafted and I completely dropped the ball. How much FAAB would you guys put in if you were in my shoes?

Depends when was the draft?

It was just a couple days ago, Friday.

I am very surprised nobody took him since it was after the Brian Robinson trade. Makes me think maybe you can sneak him pretty cheap since he obviously wasn't on anyone's radar 3 days ago. Nothing has really happened with him since Friday to change his value or raise his profile.

 

[cheese]

He went in the 7th round in a 12 team home league last night. Dang.

Curious what the other RB options were at that spot. For that price, he needs to lead the backfield in touches.

I think it's an upset if JCM doesn't lead them in touches at this point. I'm going to be a broken record and say that the new price is still a bargain.

They didn't even expand Ekeler's role last year when they were running out Jeremy McNichols. His role isn't getting bigger or smaller no matter what.

 

[Gally]

As you noted, Bo is outlier because he said he didn't want to play football. The Bucs even drafted him with the 1st pick in 1986 and Bo just declined to sign his deal and signed with the Royals instead. So Bo is just as much as a super hyped 1.01 as much as he was a 7th round pick.

There is a little more to the story as to why Bo didn't sign with TB. Going into his senior year TB owner took Bo on a visit and Bo specifically asked if it would affect his baseball eligibility and the TB owner lied to him about that and it ended up costing Bo his senior year for baseball at Auburn. That was the biggest reason why Bo was not going to play football for TB. He had another option and went with baseball so he could get out from under TB.

If Bo didn't feel like the TB ownership did him wrong he likely signs with TB and things could be different. Maybe he doesn't get hurt....sliding doors and all alternate universe.

 

[Gally]

Gally and I just swapped Tuten for JCM. I’m happy with that price and I wanted Tuten all draft but didn’t have the pick. I’m trading into a crowd but I like Tuten’s viability better. He has very good underlying college stats. We will see. That was my price.

Very cool to hear a trade between two guys here.

I decided to go ahead and accept the deal for a couple reasons.

First, I have the RB depth that if Bill doesn't pan out I am not killed by it. I am shooting for upside here and JCM has it (as does Tuten for sure). Secondly, I did get Rodriguez on waivers so I locked up 2/3 of the current backfield just in case Rodriguez takes over early down work.

Second, I like Was offense a lot better than the Jax offense. I see JCM and Tuten as in ver similar situations. Crowded backfields but JCM is getting the hype and I think the Was RBBC is much worse in players than the Jax one (Bigsby and ETN are better than Rodriguez and Ekeler).

3rd - the drumbeat has been steady and all signs point to JCM getting a shot. I am not so sure Tuten gets that shot anytime soon. Now JCM may fail with the shot but at this point give me the guy that I *know will get the shot over the guy that I am not so sure about.

*I say I know he gets a shot based on the trade of Robinson and sitting out the final pre-season game. I think he fits better than Rodriguez and this staff picked him. They have been hyping him all summer. Just too much smoke for him not to get the first shot.

4th - trading is fun and I also lean towards getting a deal done whenever possible. It's the best part of FF so why the heck not get a deal done.

 

[Ilov80s]

As you noted, Bo is outlier because he said he didn't want to play football. The Bucs even drafted him with the 1st pick in 1986 and Bo just declined to sign his deal and signed with the Royals instead. So Bo is just as much as a super hyped 1.01 as much as he was a 7th round pick.

There is a little more to the story as to why Bo didn't sign with TB. Going into his senior year TB owner took Bo on a visit and Bo specifically asked if it would affect his baseball eligibility and the TB owner lied to him about that and it ended up costing Bo his senior year for baseball at Auburn. That was the biggest reason why Bo was not going to play football for TB. He had another option and went with baseball so he could get out from under TB.

If Bo didn't feel like the TB ownership did him wrong he likely signs with TB and things could be different. Maybe he doesn't get hurt....sliding doors and all alternate universe.

Sure but that's kind of irrelevant to the question at hand here. The main thing is Bo wasn't ever evaluated by the NFL as a 7th round talent, actually the total opposite. He isn't a good player to use to measure other 7th round picks by.

 

[Gally]

As you noted, Bo is outlier because he said he didn't want to play football. The Bucs even drafted him with the 1st pick in 1986 and Bo just declined to sign his deal and signed with the Royals instead. So Bo is just as much as a super hyped 1.01 as much as he was a 7th round pick.

There is a little more to the story as to why Bo didn't sign with TB. Going into his senior year TB owner took Bo on a visit and Bo specifically asked if it would affect his baseball eligibility and the TB owner lied to him about that and it ended up costing Bo his senior year for baseball at Auburn. That was the biggest reason why Bo was not going to play football for TB. He had another option and went with baseball so he could get out from under TB.

If Bo didn't feel like the TB ownership did him wrong he likely signs with TB and things could be different. Maybe he doesn't get hurt....sliding doors and all alternate universe.

Sure but that's kind of irrelevant to the question at hand here. The main thing is Bo wasn't ever evaluated by the NFL as a 7th round talent, actually the total opposite. He isn't a good player to use to measure other 7th round picks by.

I know. I just wanted to show off my useless knowledge on a message board..........hahahahahahah

 

[jtd13]

Alfred Morris- Fantasy football wa so different then. It becoming the huge industry it is today but wasn't quite there yet. We got news on players but there were still true sleepers and things slipping through the cracks. I remember Matthew Berry (Washington fan) doing a lot of hype on Morris. He kept talking about all the good things he was hearing about Morris and that he was in on him. Morris wasn't that athletic or very interesting, he was on a bad team with a rookie QB. It's tougher to get ADP data from then. I remember having him circled as a guy I wanted to get near the end of my draft but someone beat me to him. I see in Septemebr of 2012, ESPN had him ranked as RB62 and going 245 overall so basically he was typically undrafted.

I remember about a week before the season (or maybe it was even just few days) it got leaked that Morris was likely going to start and all of a sudden there was a mad rush to get him in my league. I had never heard of him a few days before that (and it was a 12x30 league in the offseason).

Fantasy was definitely different then.

 

[Dez]

I tried to flip him for a 2nd and no takers. Most people think this is CR's job

You mean the guy Washington cut last year during the season and any team could got off waivers but didn't so they signed him back ?

That is the guy who pushed Brian Robinson out this year ?

 

[pinkstapler]

Went 7.10 in a pretty competitive league I'm part of yesterday. 12tm PPR nonSF.

I've been loving it as it pushes better players down the board to me. I was able to go Ricky Pearsall/Evan Engram around the turn just after.

Notable RBs still on the board when JCM went; Jaylen Warren, JK Dobbins, Tyrone Tracy, ETN, Charbs, Ray Davis, Jaydon Blue. I would prefer most of them over JCM tbh. And I own JCM in 4 of 7 leagues already back when I was getting him ~12th round. The team moving BRob obviously moved the needle for me like most people, but not 5 rounds worth. Even if you want to sell him as being more talented and/or in a better situation than any of those RBs I named; I still am a believer in largely taking BPA in drafts to find success. No way JCM should be going over some of the other positional players through the 8/9th rounds. That's prime time spot IMO for grabbing your TE/QB if you waited at the position. Most of my drafts have that run taking place between 8-10, and I like being the one to start it rather than get left with the scraps.

I really can't sell myself on JCM much earlier than round 10; again coming from someone who's been relatively higher than consensus on him since April.

 

[Gally]

I really can't sell myself on JCM much earlier than round 10; again coming from someone who's been relatively higher than consensus on him since April.

I am not sure why. He is going to get first crack at the main back in RBBC in a high powered offense that suits his skillset very well. If you were taking him a month ago based on his upside that upside hasn't changed at all and he has gotten a higher floor with B-Rob going away and all the tea leaves pointing for him to get first shot. If you were betting on his talent getting him there before it should be easier now.

I get the opportunity cost aspect and getting him in the 12th is much better than the 8th but I would say his situation has gotten a few rounds better warranting the increase in cost. The RB's you mentioned all have warts but I see JCM's upside more than most of them (not Charbs but over the other guys).

I totally agree that he was easier to take a month ago but I think if you liked him then the few round increase in cost is warranted. It's not like he is being drafted in the 3rd or 4th rounds in most places. Now that would be too high.

 

[FantasyGuru24]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just by being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

 

[pinkstapler]

I really can't sell myself on JCM much earlier than round 10; again coming from someone who's been relatively higher than consensus on him since April.

I am not sure why. He is going to get first crack at the main back in RBBC in a high powered offense that suits his skillset very well. If you were taking him a month ago based on his upside that upside hasn't changed at all and he has gotten a higher floor with B-Rob going away and all the tea leaves pointing for him to get first shot. If you were betting on his talent getting him there before it should be easier now.

I get the opportunity cost aspect and getting him in the 12th is much better than the 8th but I would say his situation has gotten a few rounds better warranting the increase in cost. The RB's you mentioned all have warts but I see JCM's upside more than most of them (not Charbs but over the other guys).

I totally agree that he was easier to take a month ago but I think if you liked him then the few round increase in cost is warranted. It's not like he is being drafted in the 3rd or 4th rounds in most places. Now that would be too high.

I just don't see this certainty he will get the first crack at it outside of fantasy people wish casting. And as a Jayden Reed owner I know wish casting, even when backed with logic and hard data, just doesn't go the way we want it sometimes. Like I said getting him in the 12th and bumping him up to the 10th, or even stretching to the 9th, sure.... But as a 7th round pick that's just way too much hopes and dreams mixed in for my taste. He's ultimately still a rookie RB who was taken in the 7th round. The hit rates there are absolutely abysmal. It's easy to name the couple outliers from the past decade, because it would take hours to list the hundred or so misses.

Again, this is coming from someone who knew his name and situation before most others. And someone who was riding this rookie RB class harder than anyone. I get all the counter arguments; I've made them myself for the past couple months haha.

Part of it is also people calling the Commanders a "high powered offense".... I'm not there. TBH, I don't think I'm even close to there haha, but that's another story. I mean, people were distraught at the thought of Terry not resigning because of their lack of weapons. They were 16th in passing yards, 16th in passing attempts.... I get it, people are hyped for JD. And if I was a Washington fan I would be too, definitely franchise QB and QB of the future, which looks the brightest it has in 20 years or so. The glaze this team gets is pretty wild to me though. One twisted ankle on Daniels and the train isn't just off the tracks; it's at the bottom of a ravine in pieces which are on fire hah. I expect a sophmore slump/regression for JD, because that's the norm for QBs off a strong rookie showing. Especially one on a team with not a ton of talent on either side of the ball, and coached by Dan Quinn and Kliff Kingsbury. No shade, but they are not a crew that get me ecstatic about the potential possibilities.

All that to say, it also measures into my tempered excitement for JCM. I liked his skill set as a player, I thought he caught a draft day slide due to what's more or less a clerical error in college and losing his final season, and I liked a steep discount in redraft formats because of it. He got a mild two round bump from me when one piece of the RBBC moved, but the fact BRob was pedestrian was already baked into my pricing. It feels like some in here are double counting that. If BRob is pedestrian and JCM was going to challenge for work with him there, how big of a difference is it really removing him? And if I was already mid on my expectations for the Commanders offense prior to this, why would it change now? JD being a fantasy stud I think is shading too much into unwarrented optimism about this offense as a whole. They were still pretty much exactly middle of the pack of the NFL last year in offensive numbers. And I think there is a good chance it stays relatively the same this year, if not regresses due to opposing defenses having a year of tape now on JD. The surprise is gone, and as talented as he is, I just don't think it will come as easy for him this year.

 

[BigJim®]

ESPN live draft rankings have ruined possibility of discounts. Buy in 7th or miss him at this point. All of my ESPN practice drafts vs AI, AI is taking him in 7th in drafts where I don't.

 

[King of the Jungle]

ESPN live draft rankings have ruined possibility of discounts. Buy in 7th or miss him at this point. All of my ESPN practice drafts vs AI, AI is taking him in 7th in drafts where I don't.

CBS had him very high as well, I joined a casual league to help a buddy out and someone took him in the 5th round.

 

[pinkstapler]

ESPN live draft rankings have ruined possibility of discounts. Buy in 7th or miss him at this point. All of my ESPN practice drafts vs AI, AI is taking him in 7th in drafts where I don't.

Yeah gimme Dobbins, Charbs, or Tracy a round later. Or better yet, don't be in a position where you are drafting RBs in this dead zone. Everyone has red flags at this point, is it worth paying up 2-3 rounds of value just for one less red flag when they all already have 5-6? Based on the other positional talent in the 7th round ADP wise (and even guys going down into the 8th/9th who I'd reach for based on how my tiers are shaking out) it's not. Just not a great spot for RBs IMO; but if I had to I'd lean towards a guy like Dobbins in a much better situation or a guy like Tracy who will not be splitting nearly as many touches and also both of them were already named the starter multiple times. And they've already both put on film what they are capable of.

 

[rockaction]

I tried to flip him for a 2nd and no takers. Most people think this is CR's job

You mean the guy Washington cut last year during the season and any team could got off waivers but didn't so they signed him back ?

That is the guy who pushed Brian Robinson out this year ?

This is exactly right, IMO. You mean the guy they released for anybody to have?

 

[Ilov80s]

I tried to flip him for a 2nd and no takers. Most people think this is CR's job

You mean the guy Washington cut last year during the season and any team could got off waivers but didn't so they signed him back ?

That is the guy who pushed Brian Robinson out this year ?

They waived him once in August and again in November. That is pretty wild, did not know that.

 

[(HULK)]

I tried to flip him for a 2nd and no takers. Most people think this is CR's job

It might be for the first few games if they want to make Bill "earn it", but it won't be for long.

 

[(HULK)]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

 

[rockaction]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Geez, man. No need to kick me when I'm down.

 

[Ilov80s]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

 

[King of the Jungle]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

I will take the under.

 

[Gally]

I just don't see this certainty he will get the first crack at it outside of fantasy people wish casting. And as a Jayden Reed owner I know wish casting, even when backed with logic and hard data, just doesn't go the way we want it sometimes.

Everything has pointed to JCM getting first crack. Moving B-Rob, sitting the last preseason game (while CRod played), all glowy reports from camp. The eye test when he has played in pre-season.

I am not saying he will definitely succeed. I am saying he will get first crack at it. Big difference and the tea leaves are pointing in the way of first crack at it.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Why is that funny?

I thought it was a joke about JCM and his out of control hype. I definitely wasn’t trying to poke fun at you. Sorry if it came off that way.

I didn't really think that, I was just unsure of why you were laughing at my question but it makes sense that you thought it was a joke given my personality and assuming I knew Jackson was a first round pick. I knew who he was since I watched baseball and like any good 90's kid played tecmo bowl. Thanks for clearing everything up though.

 

[eNdblu]

Went 1.10 in a 16tm rookie draft that got delayed until this morning

 

[Faust]

Now this is a big, beautiful Bill that I can support in Washington!

 

[Banger]

I have to laugh at so many people hating so hard largely using a low draft choice and success rates as to why he won’t succeed. I’ve had so many of these arguments over the years.

Sometimes you just need to watch what’s going on and put the stats and metrics away. There are always exceptions with such small sample sizes.

JCM had an unprecedented senior year and falls in the draft, goes to OTAs and coaches love him, goes to camp and crushes it, they have a good coaching staff and they have a Super Bowl aspiration team and they surprisingly trade their starting rb and you shouldn’t draft him because 7th rounders don’t have a good success rate?

Ok

 

[Penguin]

Not so sure he's a value at this point, the last 4 FFPC Best Ball Slim drafts I;ve been in he's gone 7.03, 7.05, 7.11 & 8.01. Seems to rich for me with Rodriguez possibly being the short yardage/goal line back and Eckler being the receiving back. If a 7th round rookie is slated to be an early down back without the 3rd down work and the short yardage/goalline work, that worries me.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Not so sure he's a value at this point, the last 4 FFPC Best Ball Slim drafts I;ve been in he's gone 7.03, 7.05, 7.11 & 8.01. Seems to rich for me with Rodriguez possibly being the short yardage/goal line back and Eckler being the receiving back. If a 7th round rookie is slated to be an early down back without the 3rd down work and the short yardage/goalline work, that worries me.

In my auction last night (Superflex PPR, 10 teams, $250 cap):

JCM $14
Ekeler $4
Rodriguez $1 (to me at the very end)

 

[Chardo1]

This team might end up with 5 players having 3 to 6 rushing TDs each, none with more.

 

[cheese]

I really can't sell myself on JCM much earlier than round 10; again coming from someone who's been relatively higher than consensus on him since April.

I am not sure why. He is going to get first crack at the main back in RBBC in a high powered offense that suits his skillset very well. If you were taking him a month ago based on his upside that upside hasn't changed at all and he has gotten a higher floor with B-Rob going away and all the tea leaves pointing for him to get first shot. If you were betting on his talent getting him there before it should be easier now.

I get the opportunity cost aspect and getting him in the 12th is much better than the 8th but I would say his situation has gotten a few rounds better warranting the increase in cost. The RB's you mentioned all have warts but I see JCM's upside more than most of them (not Charbs but over the other guys).

I totally agree that he was easier to take a month ago but I think if you liked him then the few round increase in cost is warranted. It's not like he is being drafted in the 3rd or 4th rounds in most places. Now that would be too high.

The thing about "first crack" is it's incredibly valuable in this context because it's going to work and honestly would have probably worked no matter who they picked. It's a really good offense with an ascending QB. The odds they decide after a month, "this isn't working" and do something else are extremely low imo. It's just rare that a RB stands out in such a negative way to force a change on a winning team.

 

[Da Franchise]

I really can't sell myself on JCM much earlier than round 10; again coming from someone who's been relatively higher than consensus on him since April.

I am not sure why. He is going to get first crack at the main back in RBBC in a high powered offense that suits his skillset very well. If you were taking him a month ago based on his upside that upside hasn't changed at all and he has gotten a higher floor with B-Rob going away and all the tea leaves pointing for him to get first shot. If you were betting on his talent getting him there before it should be easier now.

I get the opportunity cost aspect and getting him in the 12th is much better than the 8th but I would say his situation has gotten a few rounds better warranting the increase in cost. The RB's you mentioned all have warts but I see JCM's upside more than most of them (not Charbs but over the other guys).

I totally agree that he was easier to take a month ago but I think if you liked him then the few round increase in cost is warranted. It's not like he is being drafted in the 3rd or 4th rounds in most places. Now that would be too high.

The thing about "first crack" is it's incredibly valuable in this context because it's going to work and honestly would have probably worked no matter who they picked. It's a really good offense with an ascending QB. The odds they decide after a month, "this isn't working" and do something else are extremely low imo. It's just rare that a RB stands out in such a negative way to force a change on a winning team.

He just needs to hold on to the football more than anything else. I looked for his college fumble stats and can’t find anything very reliable. Haven’t heard any discussion about his ball security history be it positive or negative either.

As long as he doesn’t put it on the turf, he’s going to get every chance to solidify himself as the primary back.

 

[Panda13]

When will Yahoo upload a pic of Bill? I got him for $5 after nobody took him in my draft. I had Robinson last year and Ekeler, I want any piece of this offense I can get.

 

[(HULK)]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

JD5 isn't going to have designed runs inside the 10 much at all. However, he may run if a passing play breaks down. And he could take it to the house from further out. But, he's built like a twig, he will not a tush push vulture or anything. Bill has to beat out Crod for goalline duties, and I'm sure he will eventually.

 

[OnTheReg]

Bill went undrafted and I completely dropped the ball. How much FAAB would you guys put in if you were in my shoes?

Depends when was the draft?

It was just a couple days ago, Friday.

How thin were the rosters that he wasn’t even drafted?

 

[Panda13]

Bill went undrafted and I completely dropped the ball. How much FAAB would you guys put in if you were in my shoes?

Depends when was the draft?

It was just a couple days ago, Friday.

How thin were the rosters that he wasn’t even drafted?

Standard 12 team, 5 bench. This is my work league however, despite there being some more serious managers there are quite a few casuals. Still surprised me though. In 2 Yahoo public leagues I'm in, Bill went before round 10.

 

[Ilov80s]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

JD5 isn't going to have designed runs inside the 10 much at all. However, he may run if a passing play breaks down. And he could take it to the house from further out. But, he's built like a twig, he will not a tush push vulture or anything. Bill has to beat out Crod for goalline duties, and I'm sure he will eventually.

Sure but he is going to vulture more GL TDs than most QBs. He had 6 TD runs last year. They came on runs of 1,1,3, 9 ,14, 17. He's not on the Hurts, Allen level but those were the only 2 QBs who had more rushing TDs last year.

 

[(HULK)]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

JD5 isn't going to have designed runs inside the 10 much at all. However, he may run if a passing play breaks down. And he could take it to the house from further out. But, he's built like a twig, he will not a tush push vulture or anything. Bill has to beat out Crod for goalline duties, and I'm sure he will eventually.

Sure but he is going to vulture more GL TDs than most QBs. He had 6 TD runs last year. They came on runs of 1,1,3, 9 ,14, 17. He's not on the Hurts, Allen level but those were the only 2 QBs who had more rushing TDs last year.

In my mind, those short ones were broken passing plays. It's no different than a passing QB throwing it in from the 1. Do we call that vulturing? I have always considered that separate.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

I will take the under.

Same.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Went 1.10 in a 16tm rookie draft that got delayed until this morning

That’s out of control.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have to laugh at so many people hating so hard

I don’t see anyone “hating” on Bill. I see some optimism and some pessimism.

I see some folks with shares who believe he’ll be good, but not worthy of some of the lofty draft stock (I’m in that camp).

Why project this negativity onto a topic that’s been a pretty harmonious discussion? Sure there are differing opinions in here, but that’s how good discussions happen. Disagreeing about FF draft stock or projecting lower numbers doesn’t = “hating so hard”.

Respectfully, that seems like a mischaracterization.

 

[rockaction]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

JD5 isn't going to have designed runs inside the 10 much at all. However, he may run if a passing play breaks down. And he could take it to the house from further out. But, he's built like a twig, he will not a tush push vulture or anything. Bill has to beat out Crod for goalline duties, and I'm sure he will eventually.

Not according to Quinn. One of the reasons I cashed out on is Quinn specifically answered a reporter’s question in the affirmative and elaborated about how they would have C-Rod in there in short yardage and goal line.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Quinn specifically answered a reporter’s question in the affirmative and elaborated about how they would have C-Rod in there in short yardage and goal line.

I read that same quote. Can confirm.

 

[VaTerp]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

JD5 isn't going to have designed runs inside the 10 much at all. However, he may run if a passing play breaks down. And he could take it to the house from further out. But, he's built like a twig, he will not a tush push vulture or anything. Bill has to beat out Crod for goalline duties, and I'm sure he will eventually.

Sure but he is going to vulture more GL TDs than most QBs. He had 6 TD runs last year. They came on runs of 1,1,3, 9 ,14, 17. He's not on the Hurts, Allen level but those were the only 2 QBs who had more rushing TDs last year.

In my mind, those short ones were broken passing plays. It's no different than a passing QB throwing it in from the 1. Do we call that vulturing? I have always considered that separate.

For the record, all of JD5's TDs last year were on designed runs, including the one he had in the NFCCG. They like to go shotgun read option, or traditional option with him including, obviously, in the redzone and at the goaline.

So they aren't QB sneaks like Hurts and Allen, but still something to consider when projecting JCM's TDs.

 

[Gally]

Quinn specifically answered a reporter’s question in the affirmative and elaborated about how they would have C-Rod in there in short yardage and goal line.

I read that same quote. Can confirm.

You are both wrong. Bill to the moon......no other RB will get touches and even Daniels will defer to the man simply known as "Bill".

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You are both wrong. Bill to the moon......no other RB will get touches and even Daniels will defer to the man simply known as "Bill"

He hath spoken.




Say, your newly formed cult/religion wouldn’t have anything to do with your recent acquisition of JCM, would it?

 

[(HULK)]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

JD5 isn't going to have designed runs inside the 10 much at all. However, he may run if a passing play breaks down. And he could take it to the house from further out. But, he's built like a twig, he will not a tush push vulture or anything. Bill has to beat out Crod for goalline duties, and I'm sure he will eventually.

Not according to Quinn. One of the reasons I cashed out on is Quinn specifically answered a reporter’s question in the affirmative and elaborated about how they would have C-Rod in there in short yardage and goal line.

Oh, if you want to argue that Crod will vulture him, I agree. It will at least start out that way. Not sure it will stick though. Crod may be improved but the team has cut him twice before and it would be a shock for him to continue to be involved once Bill has built up some trust.

 

[(HULK)]

JCM is exactly the type of fantasy RB you want on your squad .. He’s gonna rack up points just being in a high powered offense next to Jayden Daniels .. Easy points with an elusive quarterback. He just needs 15 touches a game.

Yeah, I see a pretty easy path to ~1200-1400 yards and 5 - 10 TDs. Assuming he's healthy across 17 games. I think his floor games will be around 8 ppg, and ceiling games could be around 20ish points.

Yes but the GL work will be important because with a mobile QB and Ekeler, there could be few receptions and few TDs for JCM. That might just leave him with like 1100 yards, 4 TDs and 20 catches and that's kind of whatever.

JD5 isn't going to have designed runs inside the 10 much at all. However, he may run if a passing play breaks down. And he could take it to the house from further out. But, he's built like a twig, he will not a tush push vulture or anything. Bill has to beat out Crod for goalline duties, and I'm sure he will eventually.

Sure but he is going to vulture more GL TDs than most QBs. He had 6 TD runs last year. They came on runs of 1,1,3, 9 ,14, 17. He's not on the Hurts, Allen level but those were the only 2 QBs who had more rushing TDs last year.

In my mind, those short ones were broken passing plays. It's no different than a passing QB throwing it in from the 1. Do we call that vulturing? I have always considered that separate.

For the record, all of JD5's TDs last year were on designed runs, including the one he had in the NFCCG. They like to go shotgun read option, or traditional option with him including, obviously, in the redzone and at the goaline.

So they aren't QB sneaks like Hurts and Allen, but still something to consider when projecting JCM's TDs.

Option plays are passing plays in my mind.

In 2023, Mahomes threw 13 TDs inside the 5 yard line. Headed into 2024, I don't remember people heavily discounting Pacheco's TD upside due to this. I guess what I'm saying is, JD5 will score TDs but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty available for the RBs. The bigger impact is Crod and Bill will have to earn the trust to get past him, which he should because Crod is just-a-guy IMO.