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RB Jordan Howard , NO (3 Viewers)

Well crap, no one was budging on him last week and I was hoping for another down week to shake him loose.  Pretty much no chance now.

 
SameSongNDance said:
And now I have to figure out what to do with him on a short week. You know that shoulder is bothering the #### out of him right now. 
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No doubt.  I'm thinking he's going to need more time to heal.  No way he can keep going out there week after week until that shoulder gets better.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I disagree.  I still think Cohen could be a reason they win a game.  He's special.
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Yes, but not a feature back..he was used perfectly today, especially in that overtime run.  Howard absolutely wore down the steelers...they had nothing in OT. 

What I mean is the Bears MUST pound with howard to win. Cohen can get some carries and catches, and might go berzerk once or so a game...he is GREAT...but that offense is garbage...if they don't run inside, they have nothing.

 
Every RB has to rest, no RB is going to get every carry. This is a rare occasion where Cohen and Howard really compliment each other's games and could elevate both's stats. When Howard is resting there is a very good chance for Tarik to get a fresh set of downs for a rested Howard to come in vs a tired defense after chasing Cohen all over the field. It's going to produce a heck of a lot more opps than when Lankford was the COP back.

Both are elite at their game which are polar opposites to each other, putting a lot of pressure on the defense to stop both a power and quickness type of RB during the same game.

 
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I believe they should run 21 personnel the vast majority of the time with Howard at FB & Cohen at HB.

It's their best chance to win games with Glennon, IMO.

 
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I would like to believe with Howard, but I a m extremely worried and am trying to shop him now before it's too late, IMHO.

Howard looked great, and was instrumental to getting me the W last week, but it was clear his shoulder is and will remain an issue. He seems to always lead with his good shoulder, and had to come out of the game a few times after getting popped. I can't see a situation where this doesn't continue, and actually worsen over time.

Bears don't have their bye until Week 9, I believe -- that's a long time to deal with what looks like an injury that affects his playing style. If Howard continues to have to come out of the game multiple times, this issue is one that feels that it just gets worse over time -- as in, the guy has maybe 2 weeks or so before it just becomes unmanageable?

This is a chicken-little scenario, to be sure. Maybe I'm overreacting, but this doesn't seem to me to be a tenable situation for Howard. And it may be better to cash out now rather than be left holding the bag.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Howard looked great, and was instrumental to getting me the W last week, but it was clear his shoulder is and will remain an issue. He seems to always lead with his good shoulder, and had to come out of the game a few times after getting popped.
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I am going to watch the condensed game replay today and will look out for this. Apparently its his right shoulder, so maybe they call more right side rush plays. I think the play he scored the game winning TD was a rush to the right that he cut back to the left (which would expose his right shoulder to hits) so its not affecting his running style in that regard at least. Thanks for the info.

This article is encouraging for him as it says little chance of permanent damage, and its a pain tolerance issue, which he seems to tolerate just fine so far: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/

 
mnmplayer said:
I am going to watch the condensed game replay today and will look out for this. Apparently its his right shoulder, so maybe they call more right side rush plays. I think the play he scored the game winning TD was a rush to the right that he cut back to the left (which would expose his right shoulder to hits) so its not affecting his running style in that regard at least. Thanks for the info.

This article is encouraging for him as it says little chance of permanent damage, and its a pain tolerance issue, which he seems to tolerate just fine so far: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/
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I read similar things about it being a pain management issue, but having to be escorted off the field twice because of the issue makes me think it's not something he can just numb up and be ok with. Which also makes me wonder that if that happens every game, the injury and/or Howard's ability to deal with the pain becomes more of a snowballing issue that points towards taking an extended period of time off to let it heal instead of continuously expose it to getting slammed. 

The way he played this last game was beyond true grit, and he gets all the credit in the world from me. But not sure if that's sustainable.

Color me even that much more worried about Howard this year.

 
Did I read correctly that he's not even on the injury report this week? If not, then what's the worry? He's a tough dude, if he can't make it worse and its a pain tolerance issue, he'll be fine. He just needs to make it through TNF and then he gets a long week of rest anyways. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Did I read correctly that he's not even on the injury report this week? If not, then what's the worry? He's a tough dude, if he can't make it worse and its a pain tolerance issue, he'll be fine. He just needs to make it through TNF and then he gets a long week of rest anyways. 
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That completely shows how bogus any listed injury status is. Howard got assisted off the field twice with a known AC sprain. There is NO way he is not injured. 

All it's ever been is a dark curtain of lies. 

 
So, what started out the season as a "wait and see" stable of RB's for me has suddenly turned into a team with a few actual options with Howard, Mixon and Carson. I have Howard and Carson in the lineup now, but am starting to worry about Howard with the short week and his shoulder, as well as a potentially bad game script.

What are the other Howard owners doing?

 
Plorfu said:
So, what started out the season as a "wait and see" stable of RB's for me has suddenly turned into a team with a few actual options with Howard, Mixon and Carson. I have Howard and Carson in the lineup now, but am starting to worry about Howard with the short week and his shoulder, as well as a potentially bad game script.

What are the other Howard owners doing?
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Starting him unless you have amazing options

 
Plorfu said:
So, what started out the season as a "wait and see" stable of RB's for me has suddenly turned into a team with a few actual options with Howard, Mixon and Carson. I have Howard and Carson in the lineup now, but am starting to worry about Howard with the short week and his shoulder, as well as a potentially bad game script.

What are the other Howard owners doing?
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I own him in a dynasty league and I'm basically starting Cohen over him (also starting Bell and McCaffrey) due to the shoulder on a short week and what should be a negative game-script.

Not an easy decision but it seems like the best one.

 
I remember there was a Monday night game last year where hardly anyone put him in their lineup because it was supposed to be a tough matchup and he went off. Wonder if the same thing could happen tonight? I've got Zeke in over him. 

 
Benched him last week and really really want to bench him this week. My other options are Hyde and Carson. Odds are good I plug him in thanks to Hyde being on the injury list, which I guess will be a weekly thing as usual.

 
I'm starting him and Cohen right now. I, like many seem to, also have Mixon. Might change my mind before kickoff but oh well thrive or die with the Bears running game.

 
NREC34 said:
I remember there was a Monday night game last year where hardly anyone put him in their lineup because it was supposed to be a tough matchup and he went off. Wonder if the same thing could happen tonight? I've got Zeke in over him. 
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I think that was last week.  He was injured, facing the Steelers, had laid an egg the week before...

 
I don't think I can bench him, or that others should unless there are no-brainer RB1 options. Options as in Hunt, Zeke, Bell, Gurley, Cook, Freeman, Fournette, Ajayi, and Shady. Maybe also for any other high volume tier that involves backs like Gordon, Montgomery, Hyde, and Anderson. 

Would start Howard over anyone else.

Is there injury risk? Sure. Howard was definitely favoring/protecting his shoulder and there is always the chance it gets exacerbated. But didn't Howard prove he could handle a huge load and play through it -- and play through it well -- last week? Bears are playing their cards close to the vest, but I haven't heard of any significant set-back or other news that makes me think his injury is any worse this week as it was last week.

And John Fox surely didn't shy away from using him last week -- why would he all of a sudden change gameplan this week against GB (a squad who is solid but not spectacular, and missing talent in Daniels and Perry) given what he did last week against PIT (also a solid but not special run D unit who is missing a key piece in Stephon Tuitt).

Howard showed last week that even with the injury, he could play through it and perform. I am not risking leaving a potential Top 5 weekly performance on my bench, knowing that Howard will be fed his normal volume, and knowing that the Packers can defend the pass fairly well too, so it's not as if gameplan will shift to throwing more.

Assuming he handles his injury in the same way as last week,15/70 on the ground, 4/20 through the air, and a 50/50 shot at a TD is what I think we're looking at. Comes down to whether your other options have a similar floor.

Starting with confidence, come hell or high water.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I own him in a dynasty league and I'm basically starting Cohen over him (also starting Bell and McCaffrey) due to the shoulder on a short week and what should be a negative game-script.

Not an easy decision but it seems like the best one.
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Yeah this is a tough call but I tend to agree with your decision unless the Bears can play some really good defense.

 
Well, 13.30 points in my 0.5 PPR league isn't too bad, considering the game was out of hand fairly early. As a Howard owner, I applaud Fox's commitment to the run game as well as his commitment to Howard, even keeping him out there on third downs quite a bit and letting him play with the game decided despite the shoulder. As everyone else in the world, I wonder what the hell he was thinking.

 
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I kept waiting for him to break a long one and it finally happened.  Really glad to see how much they used him although it was a struggle sometimes with Baltimore knowing what was coming.

 
The 1st two weeks of Howard's usage were concerning, but he's averaging 24 carries per game over the past 4 weeks with a week 4 game low of 18 over that span. The Bears ran the ball 54 times and passed 17 (one pass from Cohen giving the RB a passing TD) last week putting an exclamation point on Howard's usage over the past 4 weeks. With a rookie at QB and not any legit options at WR, the table is set for him to finish out the year with well over 300 touches (on pace for 344). What is more impressive is that he played through a shoulder injury during this span and was in noticeable pain.

Especially on his overtime run all I saw was Stephen Davis out there (even the part on getting caught from behind). I think Fox sees the same thing, circa 2003.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sZCx6CgLME

 
Just traded him for Fitz straight up in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex redraft.

I way overpaid but, ultimately I think/hope I can afford it.

My RBs are now D.Martin, J.McKinnon, Darkwa, Abdullah, D.Henry, A.Collins & Smallwood.

 
Chaka said:
Just traded him for Fitz straight up in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex redraft.

I way overpaid but, ultimately I think/hope I can afford it.

My RBs are now D.Martin, J.McKinnon, Darkwa, Abdullah, D.Henry, A.Collins & Smallwood.
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? 

 
I am very happy with how I have reshaped my roster but I can totally dig it.

It's a funny thing about trading but league mates seem to be so concerned about being on the "losing" side of a trade that it is incredibly difficult to get them to the table in the first place.  Then when you do get them to the table they often value draft position above all else. When it comes to the waiver wire acquisitions like McKinnon or Darkwa you can't sell them for a cup of peanuts because they are waiver wire guys.  So when you "hit" on a waiver wire guy, or when you believe you have hit (I still am not certain about either McKinnon or Darkwa), I have decided to take the perspective of believing in what my eyes tell me and sell my "Names" even at a bit of a loss if I think it will make my team better overall.

For me over the past few days I have dished Julio Jones, Jordan Howard and Carlos Hyde to acquire Russell Wilson, Michael Thomas and Larry Fitzgerald (and backfill my roster with Alex Collins and Wendell Smallwood).  Like I said I am happy with how my roster looks overall but I can totally understand why others would view these as "bad" deals in a vacuum.

Plus, for me, just making deals is a big part of the fun of magic football.

 
In a standard scoring league, Being offered howard and Engram form michael thomas and mccaffery.  My WRs are stacked and I can afford to deal thomas.  My te is ASJ.  So Engram seems to be an upgrade there. 

What do you guys think about howard moving forward?  Is he healthy?  His ROS schedule is decent.  

Trubisky will only improve and command some respect from opposing defenses RT?  

 
Warhogs said:
You shouldn't post AC forum content in the shark pool thread.
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Wasn’t asking anyone if they think I should do the trade but thanks thread police!

was asking what people’s view ofnjoward ROS is.   I have not followed howard at all his year.  I was hoping that people who known his situation a little better than me in here could give their opinions on his ROS outlook.  

 
Howard is about to have 2 of the best opening seasons a RB could have.  It WILL go underappreciated after it's done partly due to Cohen.  There isn't much I'd actually trade him for, but a top tier WR or RB would be in that category.  No way I'd take the chance and trade for those 2nd or 3rd tier guys.  He's RB9 in my .5ppr leagues with guys like Hyde, and Chris Thompson ahead of him (possibly Fournette, Gordon as well) who I'd expect him to pass after the years done.  

 
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