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RB Jordan Howard , NO (2 Viewers)
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Purely a gameplan. Howard will still have his up and down weeks but after 3 weeks we should know how terrible the Bucs coverage is, easily the worst in the league. Run D is actually OK for them.
jtp1982
Footballguy
Trying to sell high on James White this week and I’m targeting Howard.
One-off game script today for the Bears. Why run on a team that makes Mitch Trubisky look like the new Patrick Mahomes. This team will be in close games where they need a rushing presence week in week out, that’s Howard and it’s still his backfield.
One-off game script today for the Bears. Why run on a team that makes Mitch Trubisky look like the new Patrick Mahomes. This team will be in close games where they need a rushing presence week in week out, that’s Howard and it’s still his backfield.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
"Hold my beer" -Kenyon Drake...Long Ball Larry said:
thekidd2009
Footballguy
I think that's the problem, Nagy doesn't want to run the ball he's just like Andy Reid. He thinks hes got some gunslinger with Trubisky and wants to throw it all over the field. Also Howard isn't even consistently getting redzone opportunities because Nagy has these crazy redzone packages which limits Howards value. The guy isn't very explosive so unless he can score td's I can't see him finishing in the top 20.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Exactly! I blame myself. Having been around Teid and his ilk all these I should have known better but bought into the hype of Howard improving his hands. I just don't see how you can trust this guy. It's gonna really hard to predict game flow. For me he'll be a bye week play at best.
leave a whisper
Footballguy
Cohen looked great. Ideal usage. Not sure how you put the Genie back in the bottle moving forward.
Howard is a serviceable player - but marginal NFL talent. Should have a L Blount type role.
Howard is a serviceable player - but marginal NFL talent. Should have a L Blount type role.
Who knows how this turns out but there aren't too many time you want the slower of the two guys on the field.
Maybe, but what did Cohen get, 20 touches in that game? No way he could hold up with that workload week to week.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Apparently the Bucs have a LB speed problem that can be exploited. Saints, Eagles, Steelers RBs and TEs all took advantage. Maybe a good comp is what the Eagles did with Goedert. Burton went off too. - That doesn't mean that the Bears won't be encouraged to use Cohen more. I'm just being objective as a Howard owner, the offense looks crisper with Cohen in there.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
Tampa had a D that likes to funnel the runners outside, I guess that why they used Cohen more. Kamara got TB on the outside, he only ran 8/29/2. Clement and Ajayi got stuffed up the gut too, they ran for 6/30/1 and 7/23/1 respectively. Conner went 15/61/0...all the RB damage has come out of the passing game against he TB Def this year. Kamara 9/112/1 and Clement 5/55/0 and Conner 5/34. With the exception of TDs, which none happen to come yesterday for Howard, they have controlled the RB while "running" quiet well for the most part, I guess this is what Nagy saw. The statements that Howard needs to be in a Blount roll with his history is crazy to me. Slow down on the panic on Howard, football is a matchup game. As you may have watched, Nagy planned right. McCoy is not slouch up the middle you know. I was down in Tampa this past week, some people pointed this out to me.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m ok with selling White.
Im ok targeting Howard.
But at this point I’m not sure you’re “selling high” - this is basically who White is & what he does.
Burkhead on IR, and Sony is a rookie - White is their most trusted back, and one of the best receivers in a pass-oriented offense.
I don’t see White’s role changing with Edelman or even an emergence of Gordon (if that happens)
White just had a big game, sure - but he’ll have more big games. Howard might not be a huge upgrade.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
I'm not sure it was a secret that Cohen is and has always been faster than Howard.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Had high hopes for Howard this season, but he's clearly not being given enough touches. Not sure if that will change anytime soon. Cohen looks great and is faster, but he's far too small to be a featured RB. The Bears have a pretty easy schedule against the run, so I'm still holding at this point.
It depends on how you "feature" him. Cohen is short but he is not small. He is solidly built for his stature and is able to absorb hits and bounce off. He never really takes a huge hit. He has been doing this his whole football life. Getting 20 carries a week between the tackles isn't going to be smart usage but getting 12-15 carries in spread situations and 5-8 receptions every week is something he can do. The question is will the coaching staff commit to this or was this strictly a specific strategy used to exploit TB. Obviously it worked this week but I don't have any confidence that this will be a consistent plan moving forward.
And yet that was the case each of the first three weeks, by snap count and utilization.
@tackle for loss nailed it. That Cohen is faster than Howard isn't some new discovery.
This sums it up nicely. Cohen could be used in a very fantasy-friendly way, or he could go back to being droppable like he has been the first three weeks.
Personally I've been holding, with Nagy's comparison to Tyreek Hill still rattling around in my brain.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Will most likely change based on the match up. Howard was held in check by JPP and McCoy. The Bears had everything else working for them and didn't need Howard as much as they would in other games. It sucks for Howard owners but it was a well coached game.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Great info. Was not happy at all because this was the one week I needed him (McCaffrey bye) but I can see this being an isolated occurrence simply d/t them exploiting TB’s weakness. Just happened the wrong week!
(Thank you Kamara for carrying Howard’s stat line)
(Thank you Kamara for carrying Howard’s stat line)
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I think that's more his ceiling. I suspect 7-10 carries is more realistic. That was pretty much what I assumed when I drafted Howard; the volume he was getting at Cohen's expense over the first three weeks was the bigger surprise. Today it shifted all the way in the other direction.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
He is on the extreme end of small for an NFL RB: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_t2ROpW0AA8EW7.jpg
He may end up being the exception to the rule, but seriously Tavon Austin is bigger than this guy.
Tavon Austin is taller but he is not built like Cohen. They weigh the same but Cohen is built better to absorb hits. He is more compact with a much bigger base (lower half). Cohen does not shy away from contact but also avoids direct hits unless he is delivering the blow. They are two completely different body types although similar in size. I never said he should be featured between the tackles or would hold up to that type of usage but utilizing him exactly how they did yesterday is perfectly fine and Cohen will be able to manage that type of usage.
I agree. I didn't say that he should be used that way but that it is something he can do and be affective if utilized that way. I do not think his size would preclude him from that type of usage but I don't think they will use him that way. I think this was a specific game plan for TB and Cohen will go back to the frustrating FF player we have all come to hate (Clogging your roster and never knowing when to put him in).
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Interesting observation, and one I think you can use going forward. A funnel D is one that is stout against the run and soft against the pass, thus funneling production to receivers and the outside.
I believe Miami is a similar kind of defense to TB in this respect, who the Bears face after their bye. Will be looking to flex Cohen in this match up.
Other traditionally poor pass Ds (at least so far this year) include the Pats the very next week (WK7), and the Giants in week 13. Things can change on the D side of the ball given momentum, but these are match-ups I will be looking to flex out Cohen with a little more confidence than otherwise.
ponchsox
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is just going to be a cat & mouse game with high ceiling, high floor. And the main attraction of Howard is that he’s supposed to be a workhorse, he’s obviously not.Faust said:
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I'm starting to think this guy is a stiff. This week he's ranked pretty high and I have him in two standard leagues and yet I can't see playing him over the likes of Lindsey or even Clement. Anybody feel like he's a strong play this week?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I'm trying to trade for him right now. I can't imagine him being under used every week. He's going to have some big games.
Elevencents
Footballguy
He has finished 8th and 15th in my league the last two years. He will get his. He’s a buy low IMO.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
it's kind of a yuck but i think Morris has a much higher floor at this point. He'll at least catch a couple of passes.
The analysis provided earlier in this thread about how Miami focuses on the interior runs makes me worry this is going to be a cohen game. Plus they are coming off a game where the offense was pure lightening. I want to see if they run with that formula
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I am debating trotting Cohen out precisely because I think MIA's D is stouter up the middle -- just last week, Mixon's big gains were lining up on the outside and finding a seam under coverage for a catch and TD; another big gain was due to Mixon, being stuffed up the middle, was able to bounce it outside for a 31-yard gain.
Don't get me wrong, I think Howard can find success, but I think the D's proclivities may play into Cohen's game more than Howard. We'll see.
Don't get me wrong, I think Howard can find success, but I think the D's proclivities may play into Cohen's game more than Howard. We'll see.
As an owner of this guy for the 2nd straight year, I'm gonna tell ya that is a bad idea. Don't start him and he goes off. Start him the next week and get 30 yards.
What also is a bad idea however is starting him if we are starting and we are. We tried what you are proposing and the results are above.
Seems the new HC decides who gets the most reps depending on the opponents weaknesses.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Interesting, I just read one of the subscriber articles that said:
I haven't watched a lot of Miami this season, curious if others agree this will be more of a Cohen game for the Bears.
Elevencents
Footballguy
I’m torn between Howard and Beast Mode this weekend. I think they both get in the end zone but not sure if it’ll be a 40/1 type of day or a 120/1 type of day.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
Thats how people miss the big games. He plays Miami, if he doesnt score against this bad run defense, there wont be any good games. This has Howard written all over it, that being said they will throw it to Cohen 15 times.
