28 carries. That’s a lot of trust.
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RB Jordan Mason, MIN (1 Viewer)
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well, if they announce CMC will miss more than 1 or 2 weeks then yes. blow your FAAB money on him. if they say CMC is back next week, Id put in a bid, but wouldnt attach a lot of dollars to it. I am pretty sure once CMC is back and ready to take a full workload, he will return to his previous role.
I’m no doctor but I’d say the likelihood of him re-aggravating this when he does return is decently high. I’d be adding Mason whether CMC was playing week 2 or not.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Yeah the end stat line was amazing. I was mad early seeing Deebo stealing reps and taking big hit after big hit
the hard work was done by the line. They really dominated the game today. dont get me wrong. Mason played well too, but its a team game and I dont think I saw many times where players on the San Fran offense missed their block.
when the line is blocking that well and your WR and TE are also blocking well, you should be running the ball 30 times a game. by the end it looked like the Jets D just couldnt stop it. They looked dog tired too.
The General
Footballguy
In the scenario that he is available the CMC owner will or should blow the whole wad on him.
As a CMC owner I am considering CMC washed up and this dude looks like a reasonable facsimile.
As a CMC owner I am considering CMC washed up and this dude looks like a reasonable facsimile.
I think its just good planning. you now have a guy you know can step in if your #1 stud gets hurt. you should protect yourself. Pick him up. hes more valuable to a CMC owner than he is to anyone else.
The General
Footballguy
Yes.. In any league where there is space he is likely already drafted or been picked up.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
This
the spanker
Footballguy
How much is a fair amount in your mind?
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Haven't been many times when there's been a very solid handcuff to the near-undisputed first pick. I think the starting 49er RB has a very high floor, whether CMC or Mason. 20 points expected kind of thing with occasional 40. If I were the CMC owner, I'd want to lock that up, especially after what I saw tonight. I'd be willing to give up a Christian Kirk-type of player for Mason if I owned CMC, especially with how cagey the 9ers have been and with CMC's injury history. Then I'd go out and roll the dice on some WRs to try to make up for what I might lose with giving up Kirk (or Pickens, or Godwin, or McLaurin). Maybe I roll the dice on Lazard or Shaheed or Dortch. But if I own CMC, I want to lock up the 9er backfield desperately.
bolldpt
Footballguy
This
Chaka
Footballguy
But why would a Mason manager accept Kirk who looks like a mid WR2 for a guy who just got an opportunity and demonstrated clear RB1 overall production? No one drafted Mason for standalone value, they were banking on a McCaffrey injury. And now they got a glimpse at Mason's potential in this offense. Let's be real, the Miners didn't miss McCaffrey even a little bit and the Jets defense is no joke.
No, most people have 3-4 WRs on their redraft rosters as good, or better than Kirk. Probably just as many in keeper and dynasty formats. But how many have someone with Mason's clearly demonstrated upside in this offense?
BespokeJort
Footballguy
He has shown he could absolutely be a league winner if CMC is out. None of us have any idea how long CMC is out, but “a good long while” or “comes back and immediately reaggravates” both appear well within the range of outcomes.
Christian Kirk will not be a league winner. I’d have to have a gaping hole at wr and nothing viable on the wire to consider a swap like that.
I have Mason on a dynasty contender (my first pickup in the first offseason waiver run) and arguably don’t need him (have 4 rb1/rb2s and 3 startable slots). Kirk would be an instant reject. You could maybe get me with a guy who doesn’t look like a league winner this year but has big future potential like a JSN?
Edit: not expecting to be offered that, just sayin. Not letting him go for a non-difference-making ceiling
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
There's certainly a redraft vs. dynasty element to consider.
Mason's price is fun to explore. All in the eye of the beholder and with imperfect information. Kirk seems indeed too cheap. I like the sound of Pickens more, and even then, I understand the desire to hang on to Mason, who might be a unicorn.
But maybe not, and that's the rub.
Mason's price is fun to explore. All in the eye of the beholder and with imperfect information. Kirk seems indeed too cheap. I like the sound of Pickens more, and even then, I understand the desire to hang on to Mason, who might be a unicorn.
But maybe not, and that's the rub.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I had Njoku go down, I'm absolutely trying to trade for a TE with a guy I just grabbed off waivers, you bet
I'm not sure what Mason is worth but the minute CMC is declared "Starter" for the next game, Mason's numbers last night will lose its impact
The time to trade him is today
Unless you really want to gamble that CMC is going to miss significant time the next 4-6-8 weeks
The niners have some confidence in Mason
He's no CMC but he might be better than a lot of other starting RBs right now in the NFL
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good comparison
they’re two totally different backs…Mason takes what’s blocked and more (he’s obviously much more physical than Cmac). We all know how great cmac is, but his injury history and mileage made Mason so attractive this off-season (redraft and dynasty). I highly doubt we see cmac fully healthy this season, and Mason has earned meaningful touches moving forward. Even if he is healthy for a stretch of the season, they’ll want to rotate Mason in there
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
My “can’t let go players” are Mason and Dobbins. A little FF miracle happened in my fantasy world this weekend. SF would be silly not to give CMC a lighter load this year. Mason should be getting 8-12 totes every game, he is more than competent.
100% FAAB for C-Mac owners?
If you own CMC? You could make an argument for 100%.
thats overkill.
and to some degree it depends on what the report is. right now it looks like CMC wont miss any more as per the link below:
so I'd say up to 10% of your FAAB budget. you could up that to 20% if you own CMC. personally I wouldnt be putting in a bid at all unless I was short on RB or owned CMC.
if that report changes and they say hes missing more time but keep in mind everyone likely has the same news. If I'm in need of a RB and desperate, I would likely put in a bid, but because CMC is likely to play the next game I wouldnt go very high. if CMC gets a full workload, it may actually be a waste to spend the money. to some degree its a know your league thing. find out who needs a RB and are those the types of players who blow their money on a free agent RB. figure out a fair bid
The General
Footballguy
If you know your league and people are aggressive with bids yeah.
He’s gone in my league (I offered Deandre Hopkins on Saturday and was rejected) but if he weren’t I go with 10% over what I thought would do it. I don’t think anyone has ever gone for 100% in my league so I’d probably be like 80%. For CMC owners he’s worth it. Really stinks to have to do this week one when could have easily avoided it but got to fill that hole.
Remind me, wasn’t he likely to play last night as well?
Of course it will. And when he does return, he has a decent chance of re-injury. We’ve seen this story before so many times in fantasy. In fact, we’ve seen it already with CMC.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Wonder what the fines will be for not disclosing CMC was out when they knew he wasn't playing.
On Manning cast Peyton even said that Purdy texted him on Sunday how much he liked Mason. He didn't blatantly say CMC was out but definitely more evidence SF knew long before it was announced. Didn't really need anymore evidence once Mason admitted it but still a bit more kindling on the fire.
With the NFL embracing sports betting on the NFL this is a pretty major infraction.
On Manning cast Peyton even said that Purdy texted him on Sunday how much he liked Mason. He didn't blatantly say CMC was out but definitely more evidence SF knew long before it was announced. Didn't really need anymore evidence once Mason admitted it but still a bit more kindling on the fire.
With the NFL embracing sports betting on the NFL this is a pretty major infraction.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
If I own CMC, I'd use it all. Was able to grab him for free and start him in the league I do own CMC in.
I love my league mates, but they are not serious people. Quest for the 3-peat not starting out well though.
I love my league mates, but they are not serious people. Quest for the 3-peat not starting out well though.
It’s not a crazy thought. I’ve seen RBs go for 75-80% of FAAB before, and I’m sure most C-Mac owners are planning on RB1 production out of that spot. Would a guaranteed RB1 “spot” go for that much? Probably.
I wouldn't put a lot of faith into Kittle's statement. We have already seen that SF is not being very forthright with the injury. Why would Kittle be any different?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So you would allow the entire thing to become emotional and rule like an NFL GM based on your feelings getting hurt? You would use no sound logic whatsoever in your decision making abilities and the impact it would have not just on you but the entire fan base that supports the team?
I'd like to hire you to run my football operations here in North Carolina
-David Tepper
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Mason season. I’ve loved the talent since his rookie year. Glad people are finally seeing it too. Some still giving all the credit to Shannahan and the o line though 
Shanny is still Shanny though so he will most likely run CMC into the ground when he returns.
Shanny is still Shanny though so he will most likely run CMC into the ground when he returns.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Did you watch the show last night? Trent Williams didn't allow a single QB pass rush the entire night, now that's pass blocking but the flip side is the Niners OL physically pushed guys out of the way, Quinnen WIlliams never gets pushed around as much as he was last nightMason season. I’ve loved the talent since his rookie year. Glad people are finally seeing it too. Some still giving all the credit to Shannahan and the o line though
T.O.P. was almost 40/20, at one point I posted 25 to 11 and the Jets were gassed all night.
Part of it is Mason, sure but he was in the 2nd level before they got a hand on him.
Great job being the flag carrier for this guy, who else you high on?
A broken clock is right twice a day
Also, I wouldn't hold out too long if I had Mason in "Redraft" because once CMC is back, your best hope is something like 30-40% of the snaps, doubt this becomes a 50/50 situation
What would you flip him for in Redraft, what's his real value right now in your opinion?
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
He could be a league winner. Depends on what happens with cmc. I could easily see cmc missing more time later on after he returns. Season ending injury is also a scenario I could see with this calf/achilles issue. Shanny will not give cmc as much rest as he should if he’s cleared. Shanny seems to not like showing his hand putting Mason out there and loves the receiving ability of cmc and Deebo out of the backfield.Did you watch the show last night? Trent Williams didn't allow a single QB pass rush the entire night, now that's pass blocking but the flip side is the Niners OL physically pushed guys out of the way, Quinnen WIlliams never gets pushed around as much as he was last nightMason season. I’ve loved the talent since his rookie year. Glad people are finally seeing it too. Some still giving all the credit to Shannahan and the o line though
T.O.P. was almost 40/20, at one point I posted 25 to 11 and the Jets were gassed all night.
Part of it is Mason, sure but he was in the 2nd level before they got a hand on him.
Great job being the flag carrier for this guy, who else you high on?
A broken clock is right twice a day
Also, I wouldn't hold out too long if I had Mason in "Redraft" because once CMC is back, your best hope is something like 30-40% of the snaps, doubt this becomes a 50/50 situation
What would you flip him for in Redraft, what's his real value right now in your opinion?
-OZ-
Footballguy
I happen to have him in a dynasty where I’m building. I really have no idea what’s fair value there. A late first gets it done. A 2 might. Or is that too low?
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Very hard to say. I'm the one who said Kirk or a similar player. I should have mentioned someone who actually performed last weekend. And really what I was saying is something like 4th - 6th rounder, likely a WR.
But other things like bench depth (short in my league), IR spots (none in my league), how many teams make the playoffs, even adding FA $ to an offer, can all play into value calculations. Many potential variables.
Mason's value is obviously high right now. It gets a bit higher trade-wise, though IMO not a ton, if we learn CMC is out 2-3 more games. That feels built-in to Mason's value to me. But if Shanahan says he expects CMC to play next weekend, Mason's value will drop by a lot. At that point, he turns into insurance, and people don't like paying for insurance.
Today and tomorrow may be the high point for Mason absent leaks or news on CMC. Yes, I have him. If somebody offered me Metcalf, D. Smith, Aiyuk, I'd think hard. Pickens too. I like what I saw there.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Agreed, today is the day to trade him
If and only if CMC misses their next game, his next high point would be Sat Night/Sun Morn depending on when that final news is released
I expect CMC to be Questionable all week
I don't think he is tradeable unless you get an overpay and I am not even sure what I would take to move him at this time. He is a league winner upside and I don't have a warm fuzzy that CMC lasts the year.
ATB
Footballguy
Anyone who wouldn't take Kirk straight-up right now for Mason with the information we have is going to left holding an empty bag in the next few weeks.
Maybe you think he's a league winner. Okay. That's fine. Bet on it, then. No one is going to pay you a starter for a handcuff. The price may be higher right now because we don't know if CMC is back next week or not. But the second CMC is announce as the starter, whether Week 2 or 3, Mason's value plummets.
You can be the guy who holds a handcuff all season long and clogs your bench or you can trade him now to patch a need on your roster.
If I was weak at WR and had Mason, I would smash accept Kirk.
Maybe you think he's a league winner. Okay. That's fine. Bet on it, then. No one is going to pay you a starter for a handcuff. The price may be higher right now because we don't know if CMC is back next week or not. But the second CMC is announce as the starter, whether Week 2 or 3, Mason's value plummets.
You can be the guy who holds a handcuff all season long and clogs your bench or you can trade him now to patch a need on your roster.
If I was weak at WR and had Mason, I would smash accept Kirk.
I’d be surprised if CMC played week 2. To be honest, it wouldn’t shock me if he hit short-term IR.
ATB
Footballguy
Like I said... Bet on it, then. Just tell the CMC owner you're not trading Mason regardless. Because you're living in crazy town if you think anyone is trading you a starter for a handcuff.
Someone else in here said they offered Hopkins for Mason. That's an overpay. Kirk is an overpay. But if those are guys you don't need on a team where you have CMC and don't have Mason, it's understandable.
But you guys are talking like you want a guy who taken in the first 3 rounds of draft or something.
I know it's exciting for a guy to pop-off but you gotta find your perspective.
ATB
Footballguy
Here's the thing though. What happens if he does play Week 2?
Let's role play. You have Mason. I'm a CMC owner without Mason. I offer you Hopkins for him. You turn it down because you have a gut feeling CMC is out longer.
And then CMC is announced as starter for Week 2.
What do you do?
Hold Mason to see how the week plays out?
Let's say CMC dominates snaps/touches. Mason get a couple points on a garbage time check down that goes nowhere.
Then what?
Meekly offer him to me for Hopkins?
It's a no, at that point.
OK. And then what? Week 3 comes around and it's more of the same. A
Are you holding all year? For a few weeks? At what point do you consider dropping?
There will be other players you want to pick up. You're really going to curse yourself with a roster clogger who has no value outside of an injury?
And by doing so, you're freeing me, as the CMC owner, to play the waiver wire better than I could have had I been forced to hold my handcuff.
Where guys got drafted at is completely irrelevant to now. Situations change very fast in the NFL.
Last year folks were screaming to sell Puka after two weeks for guys who were drafted way ahead of him in drafts, too. He went on to have the best rookie WR season we’ve ever seen.
You probably would’ve felt pretty dumb if you’d have traded him for a starter WR3 then.
Deamon
Footballguy
Shanny already said that Mason was lying in that interview.
Why can't they just say "ya we told him Friday he was starting, but we still expected CMC to be active and be the backup"
Fixes everything.
Deamon
Footballguy
Daaammmmmmnnnnnnn I feel really bad for this guy. Obviously slipped up in the post game interview, and now his career night is tarnished by that. Should be on cloud 9 right here after the game, but is visibly upset and Shanny probably laid into him in the locker room before this. Sad.
