RB Jordan Mason, MIN (2 Viewers)

[Gally]

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

I guess you aren't understanding my point. I don't think there will be a timeshare. I do think CMC is at risk of re-injury due to the nature of the injury. So even if CMC is back to his usual workhorse workload that does not kill Mason's value. The added risk of injury due to the nature of the injury keeps Mason as a useful bench stash because of the upside he has in case CMC is re-injured.

No matter how much you say it, CMC is not guaranteed to play the rest of the season once he is back to his normal workload. He still has a high injury risk making Mason valuable as a bench stash.

 

[Gally]

Man I wish the Mason owner in my league was as desperate to unload him as @ATB is. You can have all the Christian Kirks you want.

I don't own him. I have CMC in one league though. I'm talking hypotheticals. If I had Mason, I would make sure I traded him to the CMC owner before CMC is back, that's all I'm saying. The second Mason is relegated back to a backup, the trade price plummets.

The bold is where we differ greatly. I don't think Mason's value plummets once CMC is back because he still has value as a league winning RB if/when CMC gets re-injured. No matter how many times you say it, there is no guarantee CMC lasts the year once he comes back to full time workload status. In fact, if he is used in that capacity it probably increases the chance for re-injury.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The second Mason is relegated back to a backup, the trade price plummets.

So? I'll keep him on the bench then. That's what I want on my bench - guys with a clear path to being a league-winning player. Maybe that potential won't be realized, that's ok. It doesn't always work out, and it doesn't need to. But I've been playing fantasy football for decades and I've never won a league because I stocked by bench with middling WR3s.

 

[opensourcebeer]

I said before the season that where there's smoke, there's fire. CMC has been dealing with this since week 17 of last year. The optics are terrible.

No way I trade Mason (I have him rostered), even in a dynasty league. You simply won't be able to get enough right now to offset his upside.

Hmm....what's his value in dynasty?

A 2nd is too low and 1st is too high.

 

[BespokeJort]

The second Mason is relegated back to a backup, the trade price plummets.

So? I'll keep him on the bench then. That's what I want on my bench - guys with a clear path to being a league-winning player. Maybe that potential won't be realized, that's ok. It doesn't always work out, and it doesn't need to. But I've been playing fantasy football for decades and I've never won a league because I stocked by bench with middling WR3s.

Specifically have a philosophy of rostering no more of these types than I’d conceivably need to start to cover byes

 

[Football Jones]

I said before the season that where there's smoke, there's fire. CMC has been dealing with this since week 17 of last year. The optics are terrible.

No way I trade Mason (I have him rostered), even in a dynasty league. You simply won't be able to get enough right now to offset his upside.

Hmm....what's his value in dynasty?

A 2nd is too low and 1st is too high.

Agreed. I'd put his value in the middle (an early 2nd instead of a general 2nd).

 

[FGITLOTR]

Daaammmmmmnnnnnnn I feel really bad for this guy. Obviously slipped up in the post game interview, and now his career night is tarnished by that. Should be on cloud 9 right here after the game, but is visibly upset and Shanny probably laid into him in the locker room before this. Sad.

https://x.com/kevinkruegs/status/1833354097397010830[/URL

http://somehow i think Shanny will forgive him 😉

 

[BespokeJort]

Daaammmmmmnnnnnnn I feel really bad for this guy. Obviously slipped up in the post game interview, and now his career night is tarnished by that. Should be on cloud 9 right here after the game, but is visibly upset and Shanny probably laid into him in the locker room before this. Sad.

https://x.com/kevinkruegs/status/1833354097397010830[/URL

http://somehow i think Shanny will forgive him 😉

Is that supposed to be an actual link

 

[Deamon]

Daaammmmmmnnnnnnn I feel really bad for this guy. Obviously slipped up in the post game interview, and now his career night is tarnished by that. Should be on cloud 9 right here after the game, but is visibly upset and Shanny probably laid into him in the locker room before this. Sad.

https://x.com/kevinkruegs/status/1833354097397010830[/URL

http://somehow i think Shanny will forgive him 😉

Is that supposed to be an actual link

lol no... but I also fell for it and was clicking it until I read it.

 

[ATB]

I have CMC in one league though

Color me shocked.

Does that disqualify me? I'm assuming many in here have one or the other. I'm still trying to be objective based on verifiable facts.

 

[ATB]

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

I guess you aren't understanding my point. I don't think there will be a timeshare. I do think CMC is at risk of re-injury due to the nature of the injury. So even if CMC is back to his usual workhorse workload that does not kill Mason's value. The added risk of injury due to the nature of the injury keeps Mason as a useful bench stash because of the upside he has in case CMC is re-injured.

No matter how much you say it, CMC is not guaranteed to play the rest of the season once he is back to his normal workload. He still has a high injury risk making Mason valuable as a bench stash.

Right, but the point of this conversation is exactly how valuable Mason is... and exactly how that value will be affected when CMC returns.

I agree that Mason is a high-end handcuff. But that's very different in regards to price from demanding a startable WR2.

What I'm trying to do here is determine the realistic value of Mason right now and the likely value he will have in 2-3 weeks when we all assume CMC is back to a likely large workload.

 

[Adso]

May have missed it, but didn't see the post if so. https://x.com/nwagoner/status/1833572169349271664

“The Achilles is tendonitis and that stuff comes and goes. And when it is acting up, it’s something you’ve got to be very careful about. Christian's very diligent about that stuff. And if it was a playoff game, he made it very clear to me he believed he could go. But when you hear that type of stuff and it's not a playoff game and it's week one and especially when you're dealing with the lower extremities like that, it was a tough decision, but hearing all the words in the long run, it made it easy.” - Shanahan

Achilles tendonitis is not going away anytime soon, recurs easily, and can lead to a chronic condition and rupture.

Hanging onto Mason with this news.

 

[Chaka]

I own Mason and it would take a pretty good offer from McCaffrey owner to get him. Wouldn't even consider the Christian Kirk type offer that someone posted above. In fact I would be insulted and would proceed to refuse to trade him to that owner out of spite

Was offered Nico for Mason and Shaheed. Rejected

That's kinda bold. I probably would have rejected too but been very tempted. I'm a Nico fan.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I own Mason and it would take a pretty good offer from McCaffrey owner to get him. Wouldn't even consider the Christian Kirk type offer that someone posted above. In fact I would be insulted and would proceed to refuse to trade him to that owner out of spite

Was offered Nico for Mason and Shaheed. Rejected

Wow. This is the kinda stuff I'd like to see. Legit offers. And legit offers turned down!

 

[The Gator]

I own Mason and it would take a pretty good offer from McCaffrey owner to get him. Wouldn't even consider the Christian Kirk type offer that someone posted above. In fact I would be insulted and would proceed to refuse to trade him to that owner out of spite

Was offered Nico for Mason and Shaheed. Rejected

I'd be tempted. Fair offer, but i'f i'm being picky Nico needs a slight makeweight added imo

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I think we need to appreciate a bit more that this is not your run of the mill scenario. Mason is a great handcuff to the top RB in the league, and the top draft pick, arguably in a tier of his own (perhaps with Hill).

Where does Mason go if there's no CMC? He may very well still be a first rounder, going probably just after Breece and Bijan (and maybe Saquon after last week).

I'm trying to think when this ever happened before. When I started in fantasy, Emmitt was the first pick. In later years, maybe Faulk, LT, LJ, Priest Holmes, Ahman Green (?), Jonathan Taylor were at the top. I don't recall any outstanding handcuffs, and frankly handcuffs weren't even really a thing for most of these guys.

That said, if I got offered Nico Williams, I very probably accept. (Not interested in Rasheed).

Fun topic.

 

[Gally]

Right, but the point of this conversation is exactly how valuable Mason is... and exactly how that value will be affected when CMC returns.

I have been saying that Mason has great value this entire year to me but that is looking at it from already having him on my team.

If I don't have him I would wait until CMC plays and then try and offer the Mason owner something that helps his starting lineup hoping he bites.

 

[DeaLerZ]

I think we need to appreciate a bit more that this is not your run of the mill scenario. Mason is a great handcuff to the top RB in the league, and the top draft pick, arguably in a tier of his own (perhaps with Hill).

Where does Mason go if there's no CMC? He may very well still be a first rounder, going probably just after Breece and Bijan (and maybe Saquon after last week).

I'm trying to think when this ever happened before. When I started in fantasy, Emmitt was the first pick. In later years, maybe Faulk, LT, LJ, Priest Holmes, Ahman Green (?), Jonathan Taylor were at the top. I don't recall any outstanding handcuffs, and frankly handcuffs weren't even really a thing for most of these guys.

That said, if I got offered Nico Williams, I very probably accept. (Not interested in Rasheed).

Fun topic.

Larry Johnson when Priest Holmes was the top guy. I had both and made sure to have Johnson because KC's offensive line was Hall of Fame worthy. I won the championship that year when Priest went down with a neck injury because Larry Johnson picked up where Holmes left off and scored 20 tds

 

[Faust]

Good Morning Football
“In a game full of stars, Jordan Mason was far and away the brightest one last night. He joins Elijah Mitchell, Raheem Mostert, Matt Breida, Mike Anderson, Orlandis Gary, and Alfred Morris in a long line of Shanahan running backs who have stepped up when the opportunity arose.”
-@PSchrags | @49ers

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[Navin Johnson]

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

I guess you aren't understanding my point. I don't think there will be a timeshare. I do think CMC is at risk of re-injury due to the nature of the injury. So even if CMC is back to his usual workhorse workload that does not kill Mason's value. The added risk of injury due to the nature of the injury keeps Mason as a useful bench stash because of the upside he has in case CMC is re-injured.

No matter how much you say it, CMC is not guaranteed to play the rest of the season once he is back to his normal workload. He still has a high injury risk making Mason valuable as a bench stash.

Right, but the point of this conversation is exactly how valuable Mason is... and exactly how that value will be affected when CMC returns.

I agree that Mason is a high-end handcuff. But that's very different in regards to price from demanding a startable WR2.

What I'm trying to do here is determine the realistic value of Mason right now and the likely value he will have in 2-3 weeks when we all assume CMC is back to a likely large workload.

We don't all assume that. I think it will be a timeshare if and when CMC returns, probably 60-40 to 70-30 range. SF won't risk it.
Mason will have stand alone value as a flex play or bye-week filler as a floor. We just saw what his ceiling may look like.

 

[ATB]

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

I guess you aren't understanding my point. I don't think there will be a timeshare. I do think CMC is at risk of re-injury due to the nature of the injury. So even if CMC is back to his usual workhorse workload that does not kill Mason's value. The added risk of injury due to the nature of the injury keeps Mason as a useful bench stash because of the upside he has in case CMC is re-injured.

No matter how much you say it, CMC is not guaranteed to play the rest of the season once he is back to his normal workload. He still has a high injury risk making Mason valuable as a bench stash.

Right, but the point of this conversation is exactly how valuable Mason is... and exactly how that value will be affected when CMC returns.

I agree that Mason is a high-end handcuff. But that's very different in regards to price from demanding a startable WR2.

What I'm trying to do here is determine the realistic value of Mason right now and the likely value he will have in 2-3 weeks when we all assume CMC is back to a likely large workload.

We don't all assume that. I think it will be a timeshare if and when CMC returns, probably 60-40 to 70-30 range. SF won't risk it.
Mason will have stand alone value as a flex play or bye-week filler as a floor. We just saw what his ceiling may look like.

Shanahan doesn't do RBBC. Thinking this will change is not realistic.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I own Mason and it would take a pretty good offer from McCaffrey owner to get him. Wouldn't even consider the Christian Kirk type offer that someone posted above. In fact I would be insulted and would proceed to refuse to trade him to that owner out of spite

Was offered Nico for Mason and Shaheed. Rejected

That's kinda bold. I probably would have rejected too but been very tempted. I'm a Nico fan.

Thats a tough one. Nico is a legit elite starter each week. I think Mason has a lot of value (and I have him in one of the two leagues that I’m in this year)—but I would have a hard time rejecting that offer. Even if Mccaffrey misses half of the season—I think a full fantasy season of Nico is worth more than a half of a fantasy season of Mason as an RB1. Unless you think Mccaffrey is going to miss more than half of the year—I think you have to consider taking Nico.

 

[Chardo1]

We can say, "Well ok but what if it's different this time?" Why would it be? Everything is the same except the name on the back of the jersey of the backup.

Usage is the same for sure. What isn't the same is CMC's status. Based on all your comments you are 100% sure that once CMC plays he assumes his full time, completely healthy, bell cow role with no increased injury risk. At least that is how I take your "turning into a pumpkin" comments. I would agree if this was something like a broken finger or less risky injury situation.

CMC having calf/achilles issues is highly likely to be lingering issue that is easily aggravated playing his normal bell cow role. Because of that there is no "pumpkin" point for me. CMC will be at risk for aggravation for the rest of the season. That is the key reason that Mason's value isn't pumpkin like. So while his value will dip (and I think that only for non-CMC owners) once CMC is back in the game it doesn't go to zero. And if I am a CMC owner I am still trying to acquire Mason every week that I don't have him. Granted if CMC is playing Mason's value dips so I hope to get him at a discount from today but if I was the guy with Mason I wouldn't be dipping too much and it would still take someone better than Kirk. I would need to get an auto start guy for my lineup based on my roster. That isn't necessarily a WR2 type guy but someone that is significantly better than my bench guys.

I don't see how you're saying some of this as if it's fact. The only thing we know for certain is that Shanahan does not do RBBC. He simply doesn't. He's not putting a guy out there that can't handle a full load. Sure, maybe that means CMC is out the first 3 weeks of the year. Ok. But then? Do you think he's coming back on the field to get 15 carries and split the backfield? Do you think that's why they traded for him? Or why they paid him?

So yeah, Mason is absolutely heading toward midnight. He will turn into a pumpkin. His value will plummet.

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

Shanahan certainly has his preferences and tendencies, but he also knows his number one asset has a balky Achilles. This isn’t the parable of the scorpion and the frog

CMC isn't touching the field until he's 100%. So the argument that Shanahan will be forced to be careful with him when he's back is a moot one. Maybe it's Week 3, maybe it's Week 7, who knows. All we know for sure, based on a mountain of evidence, is that Shanahan doesn't run a RBBC. You can posit that he might all of a sudden change that approach but then you're just daydreaming.

Shanahan had RBBC every year until McCaffrey arrived.

 

[Chardo1]

Mason is clearly the most valuable cuff in fantasy. If you own CMC and didn't draft Mason, you failed your draft. The biggest risk to CMC owners now is reduced usage. Niners now have proof that Mason can get the job done. It makes no sense for them to keep using CMC on 90% of snaps. They need to cut his workload and keep him healthy, and now they know they can without harming the team. It won't become a committee, but CMC having 6-8 fewer touches would knock him down to the rest of the RB1 pack. Which is not what you drafted him for at #1.

 

[mcd]

So yeah, Mason is absolutely heading toward midnight. He will turn into a pumpkin. His value will plummet.

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

Agree, as a 49er fan we have seen this regularly. Jeff Wilson, Eli Mitchell, Mostert have all had these type games in Shanahan's system, and then faded out. Mason looked great, but when McCaffrey comes back it's over.

 

[JohnnyU]

Got him for free in a couple of dynasty leagues last week. It makes you feel good when you beat everyone to a guy like this and it didn't cost anything. Having said that, in those two leagues I don't have CMC, so his hype will subside once CMC is playing.

 

[the moops]

I would for sure trade him for Nico

 

[Faust]

Jordan Mason's best plays vs. Jets | Week 1

 

[TampaMike19]

Mason is clearly the most valuable cuff in fantasy. If you own CMC and didn't draft Mason, you failed your draft. The biggest risk to CMC owners now is reduced usage. Niners now have proof that Mason can get the job done. It makes no sense for them to keep using CMC on 90% of snaps. They need to cut his workload and keep him healthy, and now they know they can without harming the team. It won't become a committee, but CMC having 6-8 fewer touches would knock him down to the rest of the RB1 pack. Which is not what you drafted him for at #1.

I would gladly take 6-8 less carries for CMC at 4 yards a clip if it keeps him healthy. As long as CMC retains 3rd down, passing down, 2-minute drill, and goal line, he will still be money for fantasy. I think these smaller backs do need some change of pace guys take the carries off of them- the problem is the offense looks a little more predictable with Mason in the game.

I picked up Mason as a CMC owner because someone dropped him a few weeks ago. Luckily he may help keep my auction superflex team afloat but I still have some skepticism.

That said, he’s must start RB1/2 borderline until further notice.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Mason is clearly the most valuable cuff in fantasy. If you own CMC and didn't draft Mason, you failed your draft. The biggest risk to CMC owners now is reduced usage. Niners now have proof that Mason can get the job done. It makes no sense for them to keep using CMC on 90% of snaps. They need to cut his workload and keep him healthy, and now they know they can without harming the team. It won't become a committee, but CMC having 6-8 fewer touches would knock him down to the rest of the RB1 pack. Which is not what you drafted him for at #1.

I would gladly take 6-8 less carries for CMC at 4 yards a clip if it keeps him healthy. As long as CMC retains 3rd down, passing down, 2-minute drill, and goal line, he will still be money for fantasy. I think these smaller backs do need some change of pace guys take the carries off of them- the problem is the offense looks a little more predictable with Mason in the game.

I picked up Mason as a CMC owner because someone dropped him a few weeks ago. Luckily he may help keep my auction superflex team afloat but I still have some skepticism.

That said, he’s must start RB1/2 borderline until further notice.

This is actually how Shanny SHOULD be using CMC at this age…….absurd that he didn’t protect CMC more last year

 

[Gally]

We can say, "Well ok but what if it's different this time?" Why would it be? Everything is the same except the name on the back of the jersey of the backup.

Usage is the same for sure. What isn't the same is CMC's status. Based on all your comments you are 100% sure that once CMC plays he assumes his full time, completely healthy, bell cow role with no increased injury risk. At least that is how I take your "turning into a pumpkin" comments. I would agree if this was something like a broken finger or less risky injury situation.

CMC having calf/achilles issues is highly likely to be lingering issue that is easily aggravated playing his normal bell cow role. Because of that there is no "pumpkin" point for me. CMC will be at risk for aggravation for the rest of the season. That is the key reason that Mason's value isn't pumpkin like. So while his value will dip (and I think that only for non-CMC owners) once CMC is back in the game it doesn't go to zero. And if I am a CMC owner I am still trying to acquire Mason every week that I don't have him. Granted if CMC is playing Mason's value dips so I hope to get him at a discount from today but if I was the guy with Mason I wouldn't be dipping too much and it would still take someone better than Kirk. I would need to get an auto start guy for my lineup based on my roster. That isn't necessarily a WR2 type guy but someone that is significantly better than my bench guys.

I don't see how you're saying some of this as if it's fact. The only thing we know for certain is that Shanahan does not do RBBC. He simply doesn't. He's not putting a guy out there that can't handle a full load. Sure, maybe that means CMC is out the first 3 weeks of the year. Ok. But then? Do you think he's coming back on the field to get 15 carries and split the backfield? Do you think that's why they traded for him? Or why they paid him?

So yeah, Mason is absolutely heading toward midnight. He will turn into a pumpkin. His value will plummet.

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

Shanahan certainly has his preferences and tendencies, but he also knows his number one asset has a balky Achilles. This isn’t the parable of the scorpion and the frog

CMC isn't touching the field until he's 100%. So the argument that Shanahan will be forced to be careful with him when he's back is a moot one. Maybe it's Week 3, maybe it's Week 7, who knows. All we know for sure, based on a mountain of evidence, is that Shanahan doesn't run a RBBC. You can posit that he might all of a sudden change that approach but then you're just daydreaming.

Shanahan had RBBC every year until McCaffrey arrived.

Not exactly. If you just look at end of year and game by game with no context it appear this way. In reality in the Tevin Coleman, Mostert, Wilson years it really was dictated by injury and not just in game everyone being healthy switching of RB's.

Going into every game you knew who the bellcow would be and it was dictated by injury. It just so happens that those guys got injured a lot so they were forced to be rotated. It wasn't a choice by Shanny.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Mason is clearly the most valuable cuff in fantasy. If you own CMC and didn't draft Mason, you failed your draft. The biggest risk to CMC owners now is reduced usage. Niners now have proof that Mason can get the job done. It makes no sense for them to keep using CMC on 90% of snaps. They need to cut his workload and keep him healthy, and now they know they can without harming the team. It won't become a committee, but CMC having 6-8 fewer touches would knock him down to the rest of the RB1 pack. Which is not what you drafted him for at #1.

I would gladly take 6-8 less carries for CMC at 4 yards a clip if it keeps him healthy. As long as CMC retains 3rd down, passing down, 2-minute drill, and goal line, he will still be money for fantasy. I think these smaller backs do need some change of pace guys take the carries off of them- the problem is the offense looks a little more predictable with Mason in the game.

I picked up Mason as a CMC owner because someone dropped him a few weeks ago. Luckily he may help keep my auction superflex team afloat but I still have some skepticism.

That said, he’s must start RB1/2 borderline until further notice.

This is actually how Shanny SHOULD be using CMC at this age…….absurd that he didn’t protect CMC more last year

There were games last season where the Niners were big in the fourth and still had CMC out there. When he had that run where he had a bunch of tds in consecutive games—they had him out there in games that were already decided trying to extend that streak. The Niners not only didn’t protect him—they were complicit in unnecessarily overusing him.

 

[Ray_T]

Guys, it's CMC lol. He is not being replaced by Jordan Mason.

agreed. if CMC is healthy he will play all the reps hes capable of.

but if they decide to ease him back into action I could see a time share for his first game back.

the key takeaway is this is a short term situation. not permanent. so dont go blowing all your faab money on the guy.

It’s short-term until it’s not. I doubt he’s on many competitive leagues waiver wires anyway, but if he was I’d unload a fair amount.

How much is a fair amount in your mind?

If you own CMC? You could make an argument for 100%.

thats overkill.

and to some degree it depends on what the report is. right now it looks like CMC wont miss any more as per the link below:

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=0f0f05ca7beb9375JmltdHM9MTcyNTkyNjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0xZjdhZmIzYy1iZTBiLTZiMDctMDkwMC1lYWQwYmZiZjZhNDkmaW5zaWQ9NTUwNA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=1f7afb3c-be0b-6b07-0900-ead0bfbf6a49&psq=mccaffrey+news&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXNuLmNvbS9lbi11cy9zcG9ydHMvbmZsL2dlb3JnZS1raXR0bGUtc2F5cy1jaHJpc3RpYW4tbWNjYWZmcmV5LXdpbGwtcGxheS1hZ2FpbnN0LXZpa2luZ3MvYXItQUExcWtjdjU_b2NpZD1CaW5nTmV3c1NlcnA&ntb=1

so I'd say up to 10% of your FAAB budget. you could up that to 20% if you own CMC. personally I wouldnt be putting in a bid at all unless I was short on RB or owned CMC.

if that report changes and they say hes missing more time but keep in mind everyone likely has the same news. If I'm in need of a RB and desperate, I would likely put in a bid, but because CMC is likely to play the next game I wouldnt go very high. if CMC gets a full workload, it may actually be a waste to spend the money. to some degree its a know your league thing. find out who needs a RB and are those the types of players who blow their money on a free agent RB. figure out a fair bid

I wouldn't put a lot of faith into Kittle's statement. We have already seen that SF is not being very forthright with the injury. Why would Kittle be any different?

That is a fair point.

but at the same time, I dont think he misses more than 1 more week just by the nature of the injury (so long as he doesnt aggravate it in the interim)

 

[Gally]

but at the same time, I dont think he misses more than 1 more week just by the nature of the injury (so long as he doesnt aggravate it in the interim)

He has had months to get ready and it wasn't good enough to go week 1. I guess I have the opposite feeling and believe the "nature" of the injury means he is more likely to miss multiple weeks and/or re-injure the game he comes back. None of this gives me warm fuzzy feelings that CMC will be his usual self for the foreseeable future.

 

[WhoCares]

but at the same time, I dont think he misses more than 1 more week just by the nature of the injury (so long as he doesnt aggravate it in the interim)

He has had months to get ready and it wasn't good enough to go week 1. I guess I have the opposite feeling and believe the "nature" of the injury means he is more likely to miss multiple weeks and/or re-injure the game he comes back. None of this gives me warm fuzzy feelings that CMC will be his usual self for the foreseeable future.

I agree that this injury and the totality of circumstances around it make it highly likely it lingers and reoccurs.

Not sure many have had to deal with severe tendinitis, it’s not fun. Sure, I’m not a physical specimen like CMC with unlimited access to world class treatment/supplements/diet/etc., but my bicep tendinitis started 5 years ago and is debilitating when it flares. I can’t even bend my arm under its own weight.

This injury is almost always caused by repetitive stress to the tendon, and the #1 treatment to calm a flare and avoid future flares/progressing injury is to STOP THE REPETITIVE TASKS STRESSING THE TENDON(S). How exactly is he going to stop repetitive stress on his achilles as a pro RB?

This isn’t like being able to tell if a bone healed, some black/white test. It’s really a hold your breath and hope.

People are blowing this injury off because it’s not a tear, but this has the possibility to end a career due to uncontrollable flares. Injecting the tendon with steroids to calm inflammation actually degrades the tendon over time, wonder how many injections CMC has had over the years in his achilles. Maybe it’s catching up.

 

[ATB]

We can say, "Well ok but what if it's different this time?" Why would it be? Everything is the same except the name on the back of the jersey of the backup.

Usage is the same for sure. What isn't the same is CMC's status. Based on all your comments you are 100% sure that once CMC plays he assumes his full time, completely healthy, bell cow role with no increased injury risk. At least that is how I take your "turning into a pumpkin" comments. I would agree if this was something like a broken finger or less risky injury situation.

CMC having calf/achilles issues is highly likely to be lingering issue that is easily aggravated playing his normal bell cow role. Because of that there is no "pumpkin" point for me. CMC will be at risk for aggravation for the rest of the season. That is the key reason that Mason's value isn't pumpkin like. So while his value will dip (and I think that only for non-CMC owners) once CMC is back in the game it doesn't go to zero. And if I am a CMC owner I am still trying to acquire Mason every week that I don't have him. Granted if CMC is playing Mason's value dips so I hope to get him at a discount from today but if I was the guy with Mason I wouldn't be dipping too much and it would still take someone better than Kirk. I would need to get an auto start guy for my lineup based on my roster. That isn't necessarily a WR2 type guy but someone that is significantly better than my bench guys.

I don't see how you're saying some of this as if it's fact. The only thing we know for certain is that Shanahan does not do RBBC. He simply doesn't. He's not putting a guy out there that can't handle a full load. Sure, maybe that means CMC is out the first 3 weeks of the year. Ok. But then? Do you think he's coming back on the field to get 15 carries and split the backfield? Do you think that's why they traded for him? Or why they paid him?

So yeah, Mason is absolutely heading toward midnight. He will turn into a pumpkin. His value will plummet.

If you think there's some reality in which Jordan Mason earns a split backfield with CM-****ing-C you are dreaming.

Shanahan certainly has his preferences and tendencies, but he also knows his number one asset has a balky Achilles. This isn’t the parable of the scorpion and the frog

CMC isn't touching the field until he's 100%. So the argument that Shanahan will be forced to be careful with him when he's back is a moot one. Maybe it's Week 3, maybe it's Week 7, who knows. All we know for sure, based on a mountain of evidence, is that Shanahan doesn't run a RBBC. You can posit that he might all of a sudden change that approach but then you're just daydreaming.

Shanahan had RBBC every year until McCaffrey arrived.

Not true. Do you mean he's used multiple backs throughout a season? RBBC is splitting the workload between multiples RBs in the same game. That's not his strategy. He wants a bell cow who doesn't have to come off the field for 3rd downs. The only time he puts another back in the game and pulls his starter is either for injury or for a short breather.

Shanahan has been forced to put other back in because of injury, but that's not a RBBC.

 

[Faust]

Jacob Gibbs
No RB faced 8+ defenders in the box more than Jordan Mason in Week 1.

He did not care.

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[JohnnyU]

You can't roster everyone you want, but I believe one of the keys to FF is to get guys like this before you have to pay out the nose.

 

[Football Jones]

I've long said they don't lose anything with Mason on the ground, which is why I never could understand Shanny giving CMC so many touches. They add up. This might be viewed as blasphemy to some people, but Mason just might be better than CMC in the running game. For one, he's a better tackle-breaker.

If teams keep playing with 8 in the box half the time like the Jets did (exactly 50%), I have no doubt Mason would be more productive (on the ground). Obviously, you lose what CMC gives you in the passing game when he's not on the field, but Mason looks to be an adequate receiver.

RBBC isn't the 9ers' MO, but Shanny has to be considering splitting up the touches MUCH more than he has in the past with Mason's emergence. CMC is 28 and nearing the end of a typical RB's career. I could see a 60/40 split...or I could see Shanny continuing to be stubborn and not change anything.

 

[Football Jones]

You can't roster everyone you want, but I believe one of the keys to FF is to get guys like this before you have to pay out the nose.

HUGE advantage. I think back to grabbing Tyreek in my dynasty league before it was obvious to pick him up.

Not spending a premier asset to acquire a top player is a real difference-maker,

 

[Loipz]

Picked this guy up on waivers for free during the off season in my dynasty leagues. Between Elijah Mitchell and Guerendo for some folks seemed like they had no interest in him. I’ll take it.

 

[Gally]

If teams keep playing with 8 in the box half the time like the Jets did (exactly 50%), I have no doubt Mason would be more productive (on the ground). Obviously, you lose what CMC gives you in the passing game when he's not on the field, but Mason looks to be an adequate receiver.

I am guessing that the 8 men in the box thing is tied to the difference between CMC and Mason as a receiver and the kind of offense that can be run while each is on the field. So while Mason is productive on the ground to a point that may be similar to CMC the difference is the flexibility CMC provides and what that flexibility does to a defense and what it has to be prepared to defend.

I am not sure but I don't think the 8 in a box happens as much to CMC because of his skillset so he doesn't have to beat as many defenders.

 

[Football Jones]

@Gally Good point, but I think a fair bit of the excessive 8 in the box was the Jets trying to stop them from running it down their throat and controlling the clock with a lead. Not sure how effective 8-boxed will be for opposing teams with Mason in there when Aiyuk gets up to speed, though.

To me, it’s obvious Mason needs a much bigger piece of the pie. If nothing else, to help keep CMC healthy. It’ll be interesting to see if anything changes.

 

[Chardo1]

If teams keep playing with 8 in the box half the time like the Jets did (exactly 50%), I have no doubt Mason would be more productive (on the ground). Obviously, you lose what CMC gives you in the passing game when he's not on the field, but Mason looks to be an adequate receiver.

I am guessing that the 8 men in the box thing is tied to the difference between CMC and Mason as a receiver and the kind of offense that can be run while each is on the field. So while Mason is productive on the ground to a point that may be similar to CMC the difference is the flexibility CMC provides and what that flexibility does to a defense and what it has to be prepared to defend.

I am not sure but I don't think the 8 in a box happens as much to CMC because of his skillset so he doesn't have to beat as many defenders.

The 8 in the box was more due to the Jets having outstanding cornerbacks. They probably play 8 up more than any team.

 

[Football Jones]

If teams keep playing with 8 in the box half the time like the Jets did (exactly 50%), I have no doubt Mason would be more productive (on the ground). Obviously, you lose what CMC gives you in the passing game when he's not on the field, but Mason looks to be an adequate receiver.

I am guessing that the 8 men in the box thing is tied to the difference between CMC and Mason as a receiver and the kind of offense that can be run while each is on the field. So while Mason is productive on the ground to a point that may be similar to CMC the difference is the flexibility CMC provides and what that flexibility does to a defense and what it has to be prepared to defend.

I am not sure but I don't think the 8 in a box happens as much to CMC because of his skillset so he doesn't have to beat as many defenders.

The 8 in the box was more due to the Jets having outstanding cornerbacks. They probably play 8 up more than any team.

They typically play 8ITB half the time?

A big part of it is what personnel group their opponents usually try to attack them with, but I didn't realize they played so much 8ITB.

 

[zamboni]

If teams keep playing with 8 in the box half the time like the Jets did (exactly 50%), I have no doubt Mason would be more productive (on the ground). Obviously, you lose what CMC gives you in the passing game when he's not on the field, but Mason looks to be an adequate receiver.

I am guessing that the 8 men in the box thing is tied to the difference between CMC and Mason as a receiver and the kind of offense that can be run while each is on the field. So while Mason is productive on the ground to a point that may be similar to CMC the difference is the flexibility CMC provides and what that flexibility does to a defense and what it has to be prepared to defend.

I am not sure but I don't think the 8 in a box happens as much to CMC because of his skillset so he doesn't have to beat as many defenders.

The 8 in the box was more due to the Jets having outstanding cornerbacks. They probably play 8 up more than any team.

They typically play 8ITB half the time?

A big part of it is what personnel group their opponents usually try to attack them with, but I didn't realize they played so much 8ITB.

I don’t think that’s true about the Jets D scheme. They probably schemed that way to try to keep up with the Niners massive front and not let Purdy get too comfortable back there. Obviously didn’t work.

 

[BespokeJort]

@Gally Good point, but I think a fair bit of the excessive 8 in the box was the Jets trying to stop them from running it down their throat and controlling the clock with a lead. Not sure how effective 8-boxed will be for opposing teams with Mason in there when Aiyuk gets up to speed, though.

To me, it’s obvious Mason needs a much bigger piece of the pie. If nothing else, to help keep CMC healthy. It’ll be interesting to see if anything changes.

yeah there’s def a bit of chicken or the egg with the 8 in the box thing; beyond his ability as a receiver or strategically wanting to disincentivize them from grinding clock, he was also successfully ramming it up the middle all game long.

 

[Adso]

I agree that this injury and the totality of circumstances around it make it highly likely it lingers and reoccurs.

Not sure many have had to deal with severe tendinitis, it’s not fun. Sure, I’m not a physical specimen like CMC with unlimited access to world class treatment/supplements/diet/etc., but my bicep tendinitis started 5 years ago and is debilitating when it flares. I can’t even bend my arm under its own weight.

This injury is almost always caused by repetitive stress to the tendon, and the #1 treatment to calm a flare and avoid future flares/progressing injury is to STOP THE REPETITIVE TASKS STRESSING THE TENDON(S). How exactly is he going to stop repetitive stress on his achilles as a pro RB?

This isn’t like being able to tell if a bone healed, some black/white test. It’s really a hold your breath and hope.

People are blowing this injury off because it’s not a tear, but this has the possibility to end a career due to uncontrollable flares. Injecting the tendon with steroids to calm inflammation actually degrades the tendon over time, wonder how many injections CMC has had over the years in his achilles. Maybe it’s catching up.

Could not agree more. Another anti-specimen of a man here, so this is far from a Dr's opinion but... played college soccer and dealt with achilles tendonitis personally. I'm sure the space medicine CMC has access to is lightyears ahead of what I had. That said, this is the kind of thing that can completely drop to zero pain or discomfort, and even if you give it a month long safety cushion beyond that, it can pop right back up the next time the tendon has to deal with any level of athletic movement. Most frustrating injury I've ever had. Even at the lowest/most mild discomfort levels it affects the way you move if only as a constant reminder of exactly where the tear will happen if it does.

Obviously I could be wrong, but I feel pretty strongly CMC isn't going to be back for a while. Playing him, even at half the touches is almost as risky as putting him out there for a whole game. Tendonitis is an overuse injury sure, but once you've got it, it only takes one wrong plant to flip the switch back on. Taking 5-10 touches off his plate barely mitigates that. He's getting shut down, and for a while I bet. The fact that he can still feel it as of this weekend makes it seem like this is a very real threat to his first half of the season.

I'm not selling for anything less than a 1st at minimum this early in the year, and probably not even that. I think this guy turns my third or fourth of the contenders teams into the second best, vying for first if he takes the lead role into the fantasy playoffs somehow. Mason-owning bias totally possible though.

 

[Faust]

Nick Wagoner
#Jets DT Quinnen Williams on #49ers RB Jordan Mason:

"He was amazing, man. We watched him on film, running hard, downhill like all San Francisco running backs, they’ve had in the past. They hit the hole hard and they run it like they're supposed to. In the outside zone, they’re hitting the point immediately and hard. In the inside zone, they’re hitting the point immediately hard. It was an amazing job by them and an amazing job by him.”

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[zoonation]

CMC said he is good to go for week 2. Doubt it.