Birdie048
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Had to drop my end of the bench sleeper Hunter Luepke Dal RB
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RB Kendre Miller, NO (2 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
You shouldn’t lose any sleep
rockaction
Footballguy
I roster him also but dropped Odell Beckham instead. Dowdle took over as the RB in Dallas against PIT. He ran hard and made nice catches in tough situations. I'll bet he's their guy, as I predicted at the beginning of the year. Luepke is a nice stash, but I don't think he takes over even if Dowdle gets injured. He'll be the in-game fill-in, and then they'll find somebody else to promote. That's my guess.
Back to Miller. We'll see if he can seize the number two role in NO. How valuable is that role? You figure Jamaal still gets goal-line work, and so does T. Hill when healthy, so the iron is hot now. Kamara is a bit banged up. I think we'll see some Miller this weekend, but not in high-leverage situations. I think we'll get a glimpse of Allen looking at both now and the future, even though Allen's future rests on Kamara's legs and Rattler's proficiency. (Allen doesn't make it until next year without the playoffs, and NO doesn't make the playoffs but for an effective Kamara.)
rockaction
Footballguy
IOW, I don't have really high hopes for Miller until next year (yep, another year) or a Kamara injury, the kind of which I don't even like to speculate happening anymore. It feels ghoulish. But Kendre is here and some of us roster him, so what is to be done?
Birdie048
Footballguy
Read = HOLD but do not expect much now
Not that I or probably anyone was going to use him but they made him inactive and I don't understand that at all. They had at least another week to bring him off IR, why burn up a roster spot this week if they were not going to activate him?
John freaking Maddening
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. I wasn't going to use him but I'm confused by this.
This is another setback in a career that has thus far been one long setback.
This is another setback in a career that has thus far been one long setback.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Or was it a coach statement?
Or maybe just maybe Kamara is really 100% and no need to bring in KMiller yet. Have him show staff another week of what he has/can do?
dipandglide
Footballguy
Miller was just activated and NO is throwing Rattler out there. I'd worry if Miller doesn't get on the field in the upcoming weeks
Heisenberg23
Footballguy
Always banged up
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think he’s healthy now, just inactive
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Baby steps. O/U 2.5 carries
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Lack of awareness just accounted for the sack/fumble on Rattler. Good news is he was in the game early. Bad news is his leash may have just got a whole lot shorter.
He miss a blitz pickup or something? I can’t bring myself to watch this game.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I'm killing time until I need to go to a meeting. It's miserable to watch.
Blitzer came off the edge on Rattler's blindside and Miller just ignored him and ran to the flat. Any good RB would have at least chipped. Rattler got hit and fumbled it away to Denver. Miller was in there 3 plays in a row.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I'm hoping Allen won't be there much longer.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
No line to speak of and negative scripts coming.
Avoid for now.
Avoid for now.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Remember when we thought Dallas D was a thing? I guess dropping 40 on the Panthers then Cowboys wasn't all that impressive after all. Saints need to clean house.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
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Devil's advocate... is Carr able to recognize the weak side movement and dump off to the flat? I know that's asking an awful lot to spot just ahead of the snap, but Miller has blockers if the QB is able to diagnose that. Never played the game, so if that's Kendre's man 100/100 times I won't argue.
Regardless, I'm sure Dennis won't hold it against him. Hey, at least he got back in at the end. Leading rusher, and 3.5x over Alvin!! Just happy to actually have something to look at in this bench spot for a change. Beats a void of nothingness.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think that's necessarily how it went it down. It would have to have been a pre-snap read that Rattler didn't even alert him to. He's on the other side of the QB from the blitzer and immediately goes into the flat. He would have had to come across the QBs face to pick up the guy.
He wound up back in the game, so I'm not sure how much of that was on him. It looked bad because the guy got there right away, but I'm not sure how bad it was for Kendre. We will hear about it or see it, anyway.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Honestly, I think this guy's career is wrecked because of the Saints' cap. Not like they did him an injustice; I mean, he hasn't really been on the field or sitting the bench while not hurt. The Saints have done him no wrong that I can see. He plays when he's available to spell Kamara, which is something they desperately wanted. I think he might be more explosive than Kamara is right now but doesn't have the field awareness and feel for the game Kamara does. Not by a long shot.
But he could be a good back in the league. Just not in this situation. I mean, cap looms for the Saints. When do they take the haircut and does Kendre even remain healthy enough to go down with the sinking ship?
Those are my honest musings on the deal. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
But he could be a good back in the league. Just not in this situation. I mean, cap looms for the Saints. When do they take the haircut and does Kendre even remain healthy enough to go down with the sinking ship?
Those are my honest musings on the deal. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
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sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Tapered expectations for me as well. If he ascends to the top of the depth chart because they move on from Kamara, those are champagne problems for where we've been with Kendre Miller the fantasy asset. Agree that the ceiling of the Saints offense feels capped moving forward, but things can change in hurry in the NFL, or at least enough that they're still able to maintain a decent run game. On the plus side, they shouldn't have a lot of spare 2nd-4th rounders to throw at the RB position
My bigger concern with Kendre Miller is that he breaks before he gets his big break. It will be hard to rationalize the use of that roster spot if the injuries keep piling up.
zamboni
Footballguy
It's probably now - with "now" meaning the next 10 weeks - or never for Kendre. A new coaching regime next year will assuredly just bring in their own guys.
brewer
Footballguy
The Saints salary cap is in such bad shape, they will have very limited money to work with. They would be foolish to not at least take a look at the guy on a rookie contract with some pedigree.
zamboni
Footballguy
True unless the new regime found a different rookie RB they liked more.
brewer
Footballguy
I suppose that is possible, but if you were rebuilding a team, would RB be a priority in your first draft? I know it wouldn't be mine.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
My thoughts as well. At least they wouldn't be throwing 2nds and 3rds around if they have holes all over their roster due to cap hell.
But they would if durability continues to be a problem. But at that point, that 2nd / 3rd rounder is now the rb to own.
First things first, guy needs to keep himself healthy in a backup role getting 5-8 carries a game.
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zamboni
Footballguy
No but it doesn’t have to be early. If they get some extra supplemental picks they could grab one later.
He looked explosive. Has that 8 yard run when nothing was working for the offense and then we don't see him for a long time. Last week it looked like Jordan Mims had surpassed Williams. Now this week Mims is inactive but until they gave up Jamaal was the #2. Not sure what the plan is, maybe did not want to overwork Kendre to much in his first game back but I expect him to at least be primary backup for ROS.
They need his explosive ability in that backfield in the worst way, should be operating as a COP in addition to handcuff. I've long been fond of Kamara and my admiration for him has grown even more with how he's handled his contract situation on this sorry team but he's not been able to have so much as one single 20 yard run since 2022! The juice has been almost totally squeezed out of him. He's a really good singles hitter at this point.
Kamara's due $22M in base next year and he knows he won't play on that base, it's the last year of his deal and I think the can has been kicked as far down the road as the Saints are going to kick it with his contract. Unless he takes a pay cut this is year is the end for him.
Kendre for sure has a chance to plant his flag on the job next year. Saints likely won't be players in FA RB market but the draft is strong. Allen is dead man walking but I think the front office will be safe and that's good for Kendre.
My hope at this point for his future is he stays healthy and shows enough that the Saints don't consider RB a need in the draft.
I can't say I want this to happen because I am invested in Kamara but I'm also going to throw out that he could be a league winner this year. Allen is dead man walking, may not see the end of the season. Saints pick 7th now and the team looks to be on a downward descent, by the time they got relatively healthy it's going to be to late. When they are officially out of it I think we see Kamara, who is pretty beat up and essentialy entering a FA year, start to think about his future. He's a pro's pro and I don't even want to insinuate anything negative about that, just what he should be doing. Easy to see Kendre being the guy for a few weeks to end the season. This would be a potential boon to us fantasy owners but huge for him to plan his flag. But he's got to be healthy and able to take advantage if his time comes this year.
They need his explosive ability in that backfield in the worst way, should be operating as a COP in addition to handcuff. I've long been fond of Kamara and my admiration for him has grown even more with how he's handled his contract situation on this sorry team but he's not been able to have so much as one single 20 yard run since 2022! The juice has been almost totally squeezed out of him. He's a really good singles hitter at this point.
Kamara's due $22M in base next year and he knows he won't play on that base, it's the last year of his deal and I think the can has been kicked as far down the road as the Saints are going to kick it with his contract. Unless he takes a pay cut this is year is the end for him.
Kendre for sure has a chance to plant his flag on the job next year. Saints likely won't be players in FA RB market but the draft is strong. Allen is dead man walking but I think the front office will be safe and that's good for Kendre.
My hope at this point for his future is he stays healthy and shows enough that the Saints don't consider RB a need in the draft.
I can't say I want this to happen because I am invested in Kamara but I'm also going to throw out that he could be a league winner this year. Allen is dead man walking, may not see the end of the season. Saints pick 7th now and the team looks to be on a downward descent, by the time they got relatively healthy it's going to be to late. When they are officially out of it I think we see Kamara, who is pretty beat up and essentialy entering a FA year, start to think about his future. He's a pro's pro and I don't even want to insinuate anything negative about that, just what he should be doing. Easy to see Kendre being the guy for a few weeks to end the season. This would be a potential boon to us fantasy owners but huge for him to plan his flag. But he's got to be healthy and able to take advantage if his time comes this year.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Okay? Even if Kendre does his part and lives up to his upside, maybe they bring in a 4th rounder to serve as the #2 and compete with Kendre for carries. Surely, you would hope that Kendre wins that battle for the lead job. I'm not suggesting zero backfield competition. Kendre Miller 25 carries a game. But as a Miller shareholder, you would hope they don't have the luxury of making a 2nd round Zach Charbonnet selection out of thin air, even though Miller is their guy.
Maybe it's a mid 3rd round stablemate that results in a perfectly split two-man tandem. That would be a bummer, but plenty of backfields are going that way.
All of this discussion is very cart before horse for me for as long as Kamara is around. I'm just happy that this guy is actually going to be doing something that I can track and evaluate.
Wow. Really didn’t see this coming.
I suspect Arizon will do something similar with Conner and I bring that because it's on my mind because I invested a lot of picks in both Benson and Kendre.
Hard lesson learned for me. If I'm messing with spending a late first on a RB in waiting again he's going to need to have better then third round draft capital.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Bummer. Obviously, the hope was offseason cap casualty, handing the torch off to Miller in '25. The '25 dream is dead barring injury. I don't think we can say '26 is a lost cause until we see the updated dead cap number. I suspect it's probably still in play, especially if Kamara shows any signs of slowing down next season. Thinking that this probably amounts to getting their '25 cap number down from $29M in exchange for locking him in for '25.
If I'm honest with myself, it was starting to feel pretty aspirational that they would just be handing the backfield over to Kendre next season given the start to his '24 campaign. He will remain as asset on my dynasty backburner. Sure his value takes a hit, but it's not like anyone was banging the door down for him before this. Ultimately, I still think he controls his own fate.
If I'm honest with myself, it was starting to feel pretty aspirational that they would just be handing the backfield over to Kendre next season given the start to his '24 campaign. He will remain as asset on my dynasty backburner. Sure his value takes a hit, but it's not like anyone was banging the door down for him before this. Ultimately, I still think he controls his own fate.
pinequick
Footballguy
You can go ahead and free up a roster spot. Feel free to bump this post if I'm wrong.
Cut him and move on. I have no shares of Miller, nor do I want any.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Okay?
Kind of a meaningless statement without the context of roster size and the number of keepers. I'm sure there are some shallower bench leagues where this makes sense. I'm in a 24x12 that allows me to keep 19, and I'm not giving any thought to dropping him over this. The expectation is that he pushes Jamaal out of the way for #2 and establishes himself as one of the better handcuffs going into next season.
Now, if he injures himself again on 6 or 7 carries per game before Kamara goes down in a workhorse role, it might be time to re-evaluate.
i have set a reminder two years from now to bump this post.
rockaction
Footballguy
Way too premature to cut him without context. For whom and who else are you holding? But yeah, not great news for his future.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, and the Saints are a dumpster fire. Best he goes somewhere else to ply his trade.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think each situation is different and 3rd round draft capital is pretty high for RBs these days. The issue seems to be Kendre himself in not establishing himself right away (largely through injuries) to give their teams confidence they could take over for the aging - yet still productive - incumbent. For Benson, it’s early but is not showing a lot of promise. Other third rounders are thriving though, such as Achane and Bigsby (the latter which was given a new lease on life after a horrendous rookie year).
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Miller is pretty worthless in redraft.
Except neither of those two Rb's you listed fit the criteria I provided which is a first round draft capital, rookie drafts to be clear, and no shot of unseating the incumbent RB.
Achane was not a RB in waiting. He had an open shot at a role in year one.
Bigsby was not a first round pick, not really close, more of mid second, and most people I know who drafted him already cut him.
Again, it's the combo of no path to starting job for at least a year and first round dynasty draft capital I'm talking about.
Other then that, can't say I've been overly encouraged by what I've seen from Benson and like I said, feel like Conner is likely to get extended and he'll be like Kendre with no shot to win the job.
