RB Kendre Miller, NO (3 Viewers)

[menobrown]

Miller is pretty worthless in redraft.

Maybe in a 10 team/16 roster size type format.

 

[BespokeJort]

Kamara just extended 2 years/$24 million, signed through 2026.

Looks like it’s not going to happen for Kendre barring injuries.

I suspect Arizon will do something similar with Conner and I bring that because it's on my mind because I invested a lot of picks in both Benson and Kendre.

Hard lesson learned for me. If I'm messing with spending a late first on a RB in waiting again he's going to need to have better then third round draft capital.

I think each situation is different and 3rd round draft capital is pretty high for RBs these days. The issue seems to be Kendre himself in not establishing himself right away (largely through injuries) to give their teams confidence they could take over for the aging - yet still productive - incumbent. For Benson, it’s early but is not showing a lot of promise. Other third rounders are thriving though, such as Achane and Bigsby (the latter which was given a new lease on life after a horrendous rookie year).

Except neither of those two Rb's you listed fit the criteria I provided which is a first round draft capital, rookie drafts to be clear, and no shot of unseating the incumbent RB.

Achane was not a RB in waiting. He had an open shot at a role in year one.

Bigsby was not a first round pick, not really close, more of mid second, and most people I know who drafted him already cut him.

Again, it's the combo of no path to starting job for at least a year and first round dynasty draft capital I'm talking about.

Other then that, can't say I've been overly encouraged by what I've seen from Benson and like I said, feel like Conner is likely to get extended and he'll be like Kendre with no shot to win the job.

Bigsby went 1.12 in my 12 team half ppr 1qb. Third round RBs without a clear path to starting get drafted late first all the time. I think Keshawn vaughn did as well. Also Kamara, for that matter (and on the other side of the coin, obviously)

 

[menobrown]

Kamara just extended 2 years/$24 million, signed through 2026.

Looks like it’s not going to happen for Kendre barring injuries.

I suspect Arizon will do something similar with Conner and I bring that because it's on my mind because I invested a lot of picks in both Benson and Kendre.

Hard lesson learned for me. If I'm messing with spending a late first on a RB in waiting again he's going to need to have better then third round draft capital.

I think each situation is different and 3rd round draft capital is pretty high for RBs these days. The issue seems to be Kendre himself in not establishing himself right away (largely through injuries) to give their teams confidence they could take over for the aging - yet still productive - incumbent. For Benson, it’s early but is not showing a lot of promise. Other third rounders are thriving though, such as Achane and Bigsby (the latter which was given a new lease on life after a horrendous rookie year).

Except neither of those two Rb's you listed fit the criteria I provided which is a first round draft capital, rookie drafts to be clear, and no shot of unseating the incumbent RB.

Achane was not a RB in waiting. He had an open shot at a role in year one.

Bigsby was not a first round pick, not really close, more of mid second, and most people I know who drafted him already cut him.

Again, it's the combo of no path to starting job for at least a year and first round dynasty draft capital I'm talking about.

Other then that, can't say I've been overly encouraged by what I've seen from Benson and like I said, feel like Conner is likely to get extended and he'll be like Kendre with no shot to win the job.

Bigsby went 1.12 in my 12 team half ppr 1qb. Third round RBs without a clear path to starting get drafted late first all the time. I think Keshawn vaughn did as well. Also Kamara, for that matter (and on the other side of the coin, obviously)

Ok, well I guess it can happen but highest he went in any of my 9 leagues was 2.4 so not really focused on a rare one off.

Kamara does not fit the description of a RB in waiting to me and not saying that after the fact, was all over him in redraft his rookie season.

 

[BespokeJort]

Kamara just extended 2 years/$24 million, signed through 2026.

Looks like it’s not going to happen for Kendre barring injuries.

I suspect Arizon will do something similar with Conner and I bring that because it's on my mind because I invested a lot of picks in both Benson and Kendre.

Hard lesson learned for me. If I'm messing with spending a late first on a RB in waiting again he's going to need to have better then third round draft capital.

I think each situation is different and 3rd round draft capital is pretty high for RBs these days. The issue seems to be Kendre himself in not establishing himself right away (largely through injuries) to give their teams confidence they could take over for the aging - yet still productive - incumbent. For Benson, it’s early but is not showing a lot of promise. Other third rounders are thriving though, such as Achane and Bigsby (the latter which was given a new lease on life after a horrendous rookie year).

Except neither of those two Rb's you listed fit the criteria I provided which is a first round draft capital, rookie drafts to be clear, and no shot of unseating the incumbent RB.

Achane was not a RB in waiting. He had an open shot at a role in year one.

Bigsby was not a first round pick, not really close, more of mid second, and most people I know who drafted him already cut him.

Again, it's the combo of no path to starting job for at least a year and first round dynasty draft capital I'm talking about.

Other then that, can't say I've been overly encouraged by what I've seen from Benson and like I said, feel like Conner is likely to get extended and he'll be like Kendre with no shot to win the job.

Bigsby went 1.12 in my 12 team half ppr 1qb. Third round RBs without a clear path to starting get drafted late first all the time. I think Keshawn vaughn did as well. Also Kamara, for that matter (and on the other side of the coin, obviously)

Ok, well I guess it can happen but highest he went in any of my 9 leagues was 2.4 so not really focused on a rare one off.

Kamara does not fit the description of a RB in waiting to me and not saying that after the fact, was all over him in redraft his rookie season.

I don’t play in a super high volume of leagues but it didn’t seem out of line with where other guys in similar situations have gone in that league. I dont know if it was an outlier in that format or if we are just talking superflex vs not?

I also was high on kamara but wasn’t he behind both of Ingram and ADP? Feels similar. Not like kamara hasn’t been left for dead the last couple years—couldn’t hardly get a 2nd for the guy

 

[menobrown]

Kamara just extended 2 years/$24 million, signed through 2026.

Looks like it’s not going to happen for Kendre barring injuries.

I suspect Arizon will do something similar with Conner and I bring that because it's on my mind because I invested a lot of picks in both Benson and Kendre.

Hard lesson learned for me. If I'm messing with spending a late first on a RB in waiting again he's going to need to have better then third round draft capital.

I think each situation is different and 3rd round draft capital is pretty high for RBs these days. The issue seems to be Kendre himself in not establishing himself right away (largely through injuries) to give their teams confidence they could take over for the aging - yet still productive - incumbent. For Benson, it’s early but is not showing a lot of promise. Other third rounders are thriving though, such as Achane and Bigsby (the latter which was given a new lease on life after a horrendous rookie year).

Except neither of those two Rb's you listed fit the criteria I provided which is a first round draft capital, rookie drafts to be clear, and no shot of unseating the incumbent RB.

Achane was not a RB in waiting. He had an open shot at a role in year one.

Bigsby was not a first round pick, not really close, more of mid second, and most people I know who drafted him already cut him.

Again, it's the combo of no path to starting job for at least a year and first round dynasty draft capital I'm talking about.

Other then that, can't say I've been overly encouraged by what I've seen from Benson and like I said, feel like Conner is likely to get extended and he'll be like Kendre with no shot to win the job.

Bigsby went 1.12 in my 12 team half ppr 1qb. Third round RBs without a clear path to starting get drafted late first all the time. I think Keshawn vaughn did as well. Also Kamara, for that matter (and on the other side of the coin, obviously)

Ok, well I guess it can happen but highest he went in any of my 9 leagues was 2.4 so not really focused on a rare one off.

Kamara does not fit the description of a RB in waiting to me and not saying that after the fact, was all over him in redraft his rookie season.

I don’t play in a super high volume of leagues but it didn’t seem out of line with where other guys in similar situations have gone in that league. I dont know if it was an outlier in that format or if we are just talking superflex vs not?

I also was high on kamara but wasn’t he behind both of Ingram and ADP? Feels similar. Not like kamara hasn’t been left for dead the last couple years—couldn’t hardly get a 2nd for the guy

I don't play superflex. Only one QB leagues. ETA Bigsy's ADP in most of the leagues I play, which is FFPC, was 2.9. This is based on data from 649 rookie drafts.

And no I did not see Kamara that way at all as that backfield showed it could support multiple RB's including making Sproles a top 5 RB on about 5 carries a game.

You are not getting what I'm talking about here when I'm talking about a RB in waiting. No one I know thinks Kendre was going to be worth a first round pick with Kamara aruond and healthy. No one I know thinks that about Benson with Conner around and healthy. None of this was remotely like the situation Kamara was drafted into and I hardly think Bigsby is a success story. Spending first round picks on these RB's was on the idea when the teams moved on from the incumbent they'd be next but had no value otherwise except as handcuffs. That's still what Bigsby is now.

 

[rockaction]

Spending first round picks on these RB's was on the idea when the teams moved on from the incumbent they'd be next but had no value otherwise except as handcuffs.

I think this is completely accurate. I personally will never reach again for a guy drafted below the NFL second round (maybe even in the second round if it's a guy like Charbonnet) who is behind an entrenched incumbent like Conner or Kamara. I just learned a lesson with my reach for Miller in the first round of a draft two years ago.

Won't do it again. Situation matters for running backs unless they're just flat-out special, and even though the league might miss on guys, they're telling you how they view these guys with draft capital. I'd love to further hear your thoughts as the years go on about who, when, where, and why, @menobrown. Hope you stick around.

eta* I’m going to eta this and say that the back of the first round in dynasty drafts might see me draft a guy taken in the third round of the NFL Draft, but he’d better have a fairly certain path to playing time. Otherwise, I’m not sure one can afford to burn a first-round pick like this. I’m still feeling its effects. I still don’t think third-round picks are a good idea in the first, but I guess I’ll have to be flexible.

 

[TartanLion]

I own him in dynasty where I drafted him at 1.10 as a Kamara owner. Might have been a ‘safe’ use of the draft asset, as it limited potentially having multiple point scorers ie Kamara AND new draft pick, but it did shore up the entire NO backfield ( happened to own Jamaal long term as well, and in another cool story also have happened to own Monty long term as well so it’s all a real sliding doors situation in DET and NO RBs ).

Of course I continue to hold. Other owners might want to get on the blower to Kamara owners and see if you can trade him for some other useful depth piece

 

[zamboni]

Draft capital aside - whether NFL or fantasy - it seems like the Kendre situation boils down to a guy who couldn't stay healthy from the get-go to the point of angering his coach/organization and not willing to let Kamara walk next year and let him take over. The opportunity was there but he couldn't take advantage - not the first guy to have that happen.

That's not to say that the story is over for Kendre - he could show out this year and maybe force some sort of RBBC next year and take over in 2026. And with a presumed new coaching staff next year, who knows. But he's got a pretty big hill to climb to prove his mettle as a future starter.

 

[titusbramble]

Picked up in FBG bowl as desperation depth

 

[TampaMike19]

Rashaad Penny 2.0, 3.0, 4.0

Stuck behind the depth chart hall of famer RB in front of him and can't do enough to earn opportunities. Year 3 of his 4 year deal coming right up.

 

[rockaction]

I think this has the distinct possibility of being a situation next year where the juice is off the squeeze for Kamara and Miller is outperforming him in limited touches, but nobody in fantasy sees the benefit of Kendre’s newfound proficiency and explosiveness.

That would be awful, and looks to be the best-case scenario for him right now. Unless he starts doing it this year, but behind that banged-up line, I doubt it. We shall see. I still think he’d be a good running back in the right situation. Maybe not what I’d thought he’d be; but a good back nonetheless.

 

[Mitchie]

Not great for him, but Kamara will be 30 next year, can still see him having value even in some type of time share. Seems like still hasn't gotten a chance to show what he can do, some of it his own doing granted.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Lots of overreaction here, just when I see his stock trending up. Miller just turned 22 in June. He has had trouble staying healthy, but he hasn't even been in the league 2 years. Some of that might be preparation, some of it might be his body adjusting to the rigors of the NFL. He has a great professional in front of him to learn from, one that's almost 30 FWIW. It's great that Miller gets to see how Kamara prepares, takes care of his body, and sees the field on Sundays. Miller's looked very good running the ball against NFL defenses in limited stretches. He got 29% of the snaps in his first game back from IR. Let's allow this situation to marinate for a little while longer before we press the panic buttons.

 

[TartanLion]

Lots of overreaction here, just when I see his stock trending up. Miller just turned 22 in June. He has had trouble staying healthy, but he hasn't even been in the league 2 years. Some of that might be preparation, some of it might be his body adjusting to the rigors of the NFL. He has a great professional in front of him to learn from, one that's almost 30 FWIW. It's great that Miller gets to see how Kamara prepares, takes care of his body, and sees the field on Sundays. Miller's looked very good running the ball against NFL defenses in limited stretches. He got 29% of the snaps in his first game back from IR. Let's allow this situation to marinate for a little while longer before we press the panic buttons.

Yes it’s fair. He was very young entering the league, and tbh I loved his tape, hence why I drafted him with being a Kamara owner added insurance to do so. He would be through his rookie deal by about 24 years old as well, quite likely with minimal tread on the tires

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I think people were holding out some hope that a 2025 lead role was possible with the Saints in cap hell. Still possible in 2025 (and 2024), but it will take an injury now, So definitely reasons not to be super thrilled that the Saints went in this direction.

If we're honest though, Miller's window closed when he suffered the hamstring injury early in camp. Kamara finished the job with his early play. Availability is an ability, and it's the one area that has been lacking. Have we heard about any shortcomings on the football field beyond that? I haven't heard of any, and there's reason for optimism from the little that we have seen. Maybe we'll see other warts now that he's available, but I still think there's plenty to like as a dynasty stash.

 

[Statorama]

A big problem with Kendre is that the other guy in the locker room excels in all of the 'football player' things he doesn't.

Kamara has always been a great route runner for a RB. WR instincts with RB toughness. He's played hurt a bunch, even in some scenarios when he should have had the coaching staff hide his helmet. He's a better pass blocker. He's 'coachable'. He's rarely (if ever) a sideline/locker room problem (off-field beatdowns notwithstanding).

The one thing Kamara can't do at this point is to be explosive, and that's Kendre's very small opening to exploit. He has to make it so damn apparent that he is an 80 yard run waiting to happen on every play that it forces Kubiak to draw up some stuff to get him in space with some blockers. Kind of like what happened with Shaheed. It just got to the point where they HAD to get him the ball.

Another problem Kendre has is that right now he has a defensive minded head coach, and for guys like that, Kamara is a dream. Suits up every Sunday, tell him the play and give him the ball. He'll be where he's supposed to be and do what he's supposed to do. You can trust him not to F things up.

If I were Kendre, I'd be Kubiak's best friend. That's the future. Kendre is never going to be a better fit than Kamara in Dennis Allen's eyes. DA sees Kendre as (another way to call a cat a kitten) and Kamara as a football player.

Edit to add: Obviously these are just my opinions from watching the Saints all these years.

 

[zamboni]

Lots of overreaction here, just when I see his stock trending up. Miller just turned 22 in June. He has had trouble staying healthy, but he hasn't even been in the league 2 years. Some of that might be preparation, some of it might be his body adjusting to the rigors of the NFL. He has a great professional in front of him to learn from, one that's almost 30 FWIW. It's great that Miller gets to see how Kamara prepares, takes care of his body, and sees the field on Sundays. Miller's looked very good running the ball against NFL defenses in limited stretches. He got 29% of the snaps in his first game back from IR. Let's allow this situation to marinate for a little while longer before we press the panic buttons.

I agree to some extent that it's early to totally bury him. But the fact that he's an RB matters because it's a largely fungible position.

Perhaps more than any position, you either hit relatively early as an RB or teams move on to the next one unless said RB has a big FA contract or is highly drafted. As mentioned above, 3rd round NFL draft capital isn't cheap for an RB, but it's not like the team has a ton of incentive to give that player a long leash when they can find RBs late in future drafts, or even undrafted guys or guys off the couch.

 

[rockaction]

Edit to add: Obviously these are just my opinions from watching the Saints all these years.

I gave you the thought emoji but you’re spot-on, IMO. The only angle I had missed was the defensive coach/Kamara angle. That makes it ever further rock solid. Kamara knows the offense. That’s what Allen was getting at this year in that infamous quip during the press conference when asked about Kendre Miller. Allen didn’t know if Kendre could operate within the offense because Allen hadn’t seen Miller out there doing it. And it obviously (knowing the nuances of the offense) meant a lot to Allen.

That said, Allen’s gonna need a miracle for another year in New Orleans and Kubiak will either get promoted or be gone with him, most likely. The new coach will want his own guys as OC and DC.

 

[menobrown]

Availability is an ability, and it's the one area that has been lacking. Have we heard about any shortcomings on the football field beyond that?

Yes, a few days ago Dennis Allen said something along the lines of he’d like to get Kendre more involved but pass protection was holding him back.

Here is the comment:

DA said they want to get Kendre Miller more involved. "I think for him its some of the other things ... the protection, the route definition, those are things he needs [to improve]"

 

[Scooby1974]

Miller is pretty worthless in redraft.

Maybe in a 10 team/16 roster size type format.

I have him in a 14 team and will hold for now because I've had him stashed on I.R. Problem is, if i need to make moves, he is near the end of the list. NO isn't doing much, and Miller is a backup at this point, and I don't see him playing over a newly extended Kamara.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Lots of overreaction here, just when I see his stock trending up. Miller just turned 22 in June. He has had trouble staying healthy, but he hasn't even been in the league 2 years. Some of that might be preparation, some of it might be his body adjusting to the rigors of the NFL. He has a great professional in front of him to learn from, one that's almost 30 FWIW. It's great that Miller gets to see how Kamara prepares, takes care of his body, and sees the field on Sundays. Miller's looked very good running the ball against NFL defenses in limited stretches. He got 29% of the snaps in his first game back from IR. Let's allow this situation to marinate for a little while longer before we press the panic buttons.

I agree to some extent that it's early to totally bury him. But the fact that he's an RB matters because it's a largely fungible position.

Perhaps more than any position, you either hit relatively early as an RB or teams move on to the next one unless said RB has a big FA contract or is highly drafted. As mentioned above, 3rd round NFL draft capital isn't cheap for an RB, but it's not like the team has a ton of incentive to give that player a long leash when they can find RBs late in future drafts, or even undrafted guys or guys off the couch.

I agree to some extent that most RBs must hit early, but in general, the ones that hit later are the ones that are drafted behind a hall of fame level talents, like Alvin Kamara. Working in Miller's favor, he's 4 months removed from turning 22. Also working in Miller's favor, Kamara hits the proverbial 30 year old cliff before the start of next season and the team's financial commitment to Kamara moving forward is limited. I'm not saying Miller is going to be a superstar, I'm just saying the panic in here at this point in time is rather ridiculous. Last game made it evident to me they want to get Miller worked in. He was in early and often. He played more than Williams did while Miller was hurt. We'll know soon enough what his true colors are. I believe we will have a clear picture of the guy's future before the season is complete.

 

[TartanLion]

*sigh*

Can’t believe we ended up here again. Are his hamstrings made with Strawberry laces ?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

 

[zamboni]

Would love to be a fly on the wall in Dennis Allen's office when he's discussing Kendre.

 

[menobrown]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

Dulchich is not injured.

Both he and Christian Watson worked with specialist this off-season on trying to address their hamstring issues and neither have been bothered with them this year. Of course easier for Dulchich to do since he's been a healthy scratch.

But the key is if Kendre Miller values his career he knows what he needs to do this offseason.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I can't believe my backfield is littered with guys like D. Pierce, Kendre Miller, and Tyjae Spears, who somehow manage to get more injured on a workload of 2 carries, while the lead backs ahead of them are just fine after 25+ touches.

Trying not to overreact until he misses games, but I'm going to need some level confidence he's actually going to be available if/when opportunity knocks.

 

[zamboni]

Trying not to overreact until he misses games, but I'm going to need some level confidence he's actually going to be available if/when opportunity knocks.

Not sure he's even going to be given a chance at this point when he's available.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

Dulchich is not injured.

Both he and Christian Watson worked with specialist this off-season on trying to address their hamstring issues and neither have been bothered with them this year. Of course easier for Dulchich to do since he's been a healthy scratch.

But the key is if Kendre Miller values his career he knows what he needs to do this offseason.

He’s not injured because you can’t pull a hammy from the bench. Maybe his new running style made him forget how to get open and actually catch a football.

Some guys are just built differently. There is only so much you can do to prevent soft tissue injury. I have no idea what goes into Miller’s prep so I’m not going to beat him up over it.

 

[nittanylion]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

Dulchich is not injured.

Both he and Christian Watson worked with specialist this off-season on trying to address their hamstring issues and neither have been bothered with them this year. Of course easier for Dulchich to do since he's been a healthy scratch.

But the key is if Kendre Miller values his career he knows what he needs to do this offseason.

Just to clarify:

The parallel between Kendre Miller and Dulcich that JL is making, has to do with how deep in Sean Payton's doghouse Greg Dulcich is, similar to MIller's situation with Dennis Allen that was heavily cited earlier this Season.

 

[menobrown]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

Dulchich is not injured.

Both he and Christian Watson worked with specialist this off-season on trying to address their hamstring issues and neither have been bothered with them this year. Of course easier for Dulchich to do since he's been a healthy scratch.

But the key is if Kendre Miller values his career he knows what he needs to do this offseason.

Just to clarify:

The parallel between Kendre Miller and Dulcich that JL is making, has to do with how deep in Sean Payton's doghouse Greg Dulcich is, similar to MIller's situation with Dennis Allen that was heavily cited earlier this Season.

I think the parallel he was trying to make is they both have recurring hamstring issues. Which I’ll say again is not Dulchich’s issue this year.

I don’t know Kendre is in the doghouse. Allen has had some decent things to say about him lately and unlike Dulchich he’s been active when healthy.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

Dulchich is not injured.

Both he and Christian Watson worked with specialist this off-season on trying to address their hamstring issues and neither have been bothered with them this year. Of course easier for Dulchich to do since he's been a healthy scratch.

But the key is if Kendre Miller values his career he knows what he needs to do this offseason.

Just to clarify:

The parallel between Kendre Miller and Dulcich that JL is making, has to do with how deep in Sean Payton's doghouse Greg Dulcich is, similar to MIller's situation with Dennis Allen that was heavily cited earlier this Season.

I think the parallel he was trying to make is they both have recurring hamstring issues. Which I’ll say again is not Dulchich’s issue this year.

I don’t know Kendre is in the doghouse. Allen has had some decent things to say about him lately and unlike Dulchich he’s been active when healthy.

You're accurate, I was originally making a joke about the players' hamstring issues through their first two seasons, but nittanylion is also correct in stating both players have made a comfortable home in their coaches' doghouses.

And again, you say Dulcich is healthy. But at what cost? The rumor was he changed how he ran to try to fix his hamstring issues. Whatever happened, he went from a guy that looked like an explosive weapon that could catch anything (with tight hamstrings), to a guy that is thinking too much, not getting open, and can't catch a cold.

Miller has also looked explosive in very limited action, but Allen has commented about Miller's ability to stay on the field since training camp. And here we are again. Miller's back to the training room with another hamstring issue. They obviously wanted to get him involved when he returned, I was excited by what I saw, but you can't make the club from the tub. If Miller can't find a way to show something this season, I believe they'll make another attempt to draft Kamara's replacement in next year's draft and Miller will become an afterthought.

 

[menobrown]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

Dulchich is not injured.

Both he and Christian Watson worked with specialist this off-season on trying to address their hamstring issues and neither have been bothered with them this year. Of course easier for Dulchich to do since he's been a healthy scratch.

But the key is if Kendre Miller values his career he knows what he needs to do this offseason.

Just to clarify:

The parallel between Kendre Miller and Dulcich that JL is making, has to do with how deep in Sean Payton's doghouse Greg Dulcich is, similar to MIller's situation with Dennis Allen that was heavily cited earlier this Season.

I think the parallel he was trying to make is they both have recurring hamstring issues. Which I’ll say again is not Dulchich’s issue this year.

I don’t know Kendre is in the doghouse. Allen has had some decent things to say about him lately and unlike Dulchich he’s been active when healthy.

You're accurate, I was originally making a joke about the players' hamstring issues through their first two seasons, but nittanylion is also correct in stating both players have made a comfortable home in their coaches' doghouses.

And again, you say Dulcich is healthy. But at what cost? The rumor was he changed how he ran to try to fix his hamstring issues. Whatever happened, he went from a guy that looked like an explosive weapon that could catch anything (with tight hamstrings), to a guy that is thinking too much, not getting open, and can't catch a cold.

Miller has also looked explosive in very limited action, but Allen has commented about Miller's ability to stay on the field since training camp. And here we are again. Miller's back to the training room with another hamstring issue. They obviously wanted to get him involved when he returned, I was excited by what I saw, but you can't make the club from the tub. If Miller can't find a way to show something this season, I believe they'll make another attempt to draft Kamara's replacement in next year's draft and Miller will become an afterthought.

All good and mainly agree.

Just to say one thing on Dulchich is that he was about as close to missing a whole season as it gets. Sometimes that year off just messes with players and they can't seem to get comfortable. Jelani Woods who did miss the entire year with a hamstring had by all accounts a terrible camp and it was not related to his hamstring. I can't say Dulchich can't get open,maybe he can't, just now he can't catch or block. Just saying he's got other issues then his hammy.

But my main thing to add to this was that before this last year I had no idea that specialist exist for hamstring issues. I believe it's something the NFL was just getting into and off the top of my head Kupp, Watson, Stokes and Dulchich have worked with specialist to try and fix the issue in the last year. I believe most people, Dennis Allen included, seem to want to chalk up hamstring issues to lack of training and/or being in shape so when Kendre has hamstring injures he gets down on him but what a lot of these players discovered when visiting the specialist was that it involved muscle imbalance and has nothing to do with conditioning.

Kendre Miller obviously seems to have a recurring hamstring issue. Maybe Allen is spot on and it is conditioning, maybe he's upset Kendre did not work with a specialist this last off-season, but what I said earlier I would say again, if he values his career he needs to spend this off-season, if not now, working with these specialist to try and fix the issue because their work IMO seems to be helping this particular issue.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He and Greg Dulcich should start a support group.

Dulchich is not injured.

Both he and Christian Watson worked with specialist this off-season on trying to address their hamstring issues and neither have been bothered with them this year. Of course easier for Dulchich to do since he's been a healthy scratch.

But the key is if Kendre Miller values his career he knows what he needs to do this offseason.

Just to clarify:

The parallel between Kendre Miller and Dulcich that JL is making, has to do with how deep in Sean Payton's doghouse Greg Dulcich is, similar to MIller's situation with Dennis Allen that was heavily cited earlier this Season.

I think the parallel he was trying to make is they both have recurring hamstring issues. Which I’ll say again is not Dulchich’s issue this year.

I don’t know Kendre is in the doghouse. Allen has had some decent things to say about him lately and unlike Dulchich he’s been active when healthy.

You're accurate, I was originally making a joke about the players' hamstring issues through their first two seasons, but nittanylion is also correct in stating both players have made a comfortable home in their coaches' doghouses.

And again, you say Dulcich is healthy. But at what cost? The rumor was he changed how he ran to try to fix his hamstring issues. Whatever happened, he went from a guy that looked like an explosive weapon that could catch anything (with tight hamstrings), to a guy that is thinking too much, not getting open, and can't catch a cold.

Miller has also looked explosive in very limited action, but Allen has commented about Miller's ability to stay on the field since training camp. And here we are again. Miller's back to the training room with another hamstring issue. They obviously wanted to get him involved when he returned, I was excited by what I saw, but you can't make the club from the tub. If Miller can't find a way to show something this season, I believe they'll make another attempt to draft Kamara's replacement in next year's draft and Miller will become an afterthought.

All good and mainly agree.

Just to say one thing on Dulchich is that he was about as close to missing a whole season as it gets. Sometimes that year off just messes with players and they can't seem to get comfortable. Jelani Woods who did miss the entire year with a hamstring had by all accounts a terrible camp and it was not related to his hamstring. I can't say Dulchich can't get open,maybe he can't, just now he can't catch or block. Just saying he's got other issues then his hammy.

But my main thing to add to this was that before this last year I had no idea that specialist exist for hamstring issues. I believe it's something the NFL was just getting into and off the top of my head Kupp, Watson, Stokes and Dulchich have worked with specialist to try and fix the issue in the last year. I believe most people, Dennis Allen included, seem to want to chalk up hamstring issues to lack of training and/or being in shape so when Kendre has hamstring injures he gets down on him but what a lot of these players discovered when visiting the specialist was that it involved muscle imbalance and has nothing to do with conditioning.

Kendre Miller obviously seems to have a recurring hamstring issue. Maybe Allen is spot on and it is conditioning, maybe he's upset Kendre did not work with a specialist this last off-season, but what I said earlier I would say again, if he values his career he needs to spend this off-season, if not now, working with these specialist to try and fix the issue because their work IMO seems to be helping this particular issue.

Trust me. Dulcich wasn't getting open this year. He wasn't doing much, really. I've followed him pretty closely because I thought he was a special talent, a matchup nightmare. In college and then what he flashed in the NFL, he looked like he could be something. He could never block so I wasn't all that bothered by that deficiency because I figured he'd be operating more out of the slot as a mismatch. Prior to this year, he could get open, he could catch, and he was great with the ball in his hands. I thought for sure he'd fill the joker role in this offense, something like Colston was, but he's fallen flat. Something changed with him. He won't be in the NFL much longer IMO.

I don't know about Miller. I was high on him as well, but I'm kind of giving up at this point. Hamstring issues. Whatever. I might end up with egg on my face because of impatience, but I don't care. I don't know what the real problem with him is. He looks good at times, great even, but pre-draft grades were all over the map with him. No matter how much I like a player, it always gives me pause when others are down on them and running backs are a dime a dozen these days in NFL drafts. Although it's likely Miller will be given another chance to succeed because of his age, draft capital, and contract, I've seen no evidence he's going to do anything with the chances he's given.

ETA - Miller missed the first 6 games this year. Now he's not practicing again after limited action in 2 games. With the Saints on a bye after 3 more games, I have a feeling we won't hear from Miller for another 4 weeks, at a minimum.

 

[JohnnyU]

He's just reinforcing what the coach thinks about him. Can't play from the trainers table.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Kendre Mill…IR

 

[kface]

This guy is cooked. Put him out to pasture

 

[JohnnyU]

I wish MFL would put him on IR before tomorrow’s games start.

 

[kface]

I wish MFL would put him on IR before tomorrow’s games start.

Yahoo did already

 

[irish eyes]

How do they keep this guy on the team? I keep seeing this thread bumped and it's always a lot of nothing. He is toast.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wish MFL would put him on IR before tomorrow’s games start.

Yahoo did already

Give Yahoo a cookie

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team Dynasty .. waste of a draft pick .. the time has come for me to drop him I think

 

[Mitchie]

it's a bummer because really seemed like he had potential to be good

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Coulda been a contender if not for his weak hammies.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

https://x.com/32BeatWriters/status/1854370203385118997

Do we need to file a class action lawsuit?

If this beat reporter(?) is to be believed, Miller is healthy and it was a surprise and a source of frustration amongst the coaching staff that Allen placed him on IR after his latest hamstring injury. I guess the positive takeaway is that he should be full-go when first eligible to come back.

 

[Bayhawks]

https://x.com/32BeatWriters/status/1854370203385118997

Do we need to file a class action lawsuit?

If this beat reporter(?) is to be believed, Miller is healthy and it was a surprise and a source of frustration amongst the coaching staff that Allen placed him on IR after his latest hamstring injury. I guess the positive takeaway is that he should be full-go when first eligible to come back.

Can he come back? Isn't this his 2nd stint on IR this year? If so, I thought a 2nd trip to the IR was for the rest of the year?

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

https://x.com/32BeatWriters/status/1854370203385118997

Do we need to file a class action lawsuit?

If this beat reporter(?) is to be believed, Miller is healthy and it was a surprise and a source of frustration amongst the coaching staff that Allen placed him on IR after his latest hamstring injury. I guess the positive takeaway is that he should be full-go when first eligible to come back.

Can he come back? Isn't this his 2nd stint on IR this year? If so, I thought a 2nd trip to the IR was for the rest of the year?

I think the article mentions he's eligible to return for the Giants game (or whenever the 4 games is done). Might have something to do with a PUP or designated to return designation on the first one.

 

[rockaction]

https://x.com/32BeatWriters/status/1854370203385118997

Do we need to file a class action lawsuit?

If this beat reporter(?) is to be believed, Miller is healthy and it was a surprise and a source of frustration amongst the coaching staff that Allen placed him on IR after his latest hamstring injury. I guess the positive takeaway is that he should be full-go when first eligible to come back.

Can he come back? Isn't this his 2nd stint on IR this year? If so, I thought a 2nd trip to the IR was for the rest of the year?

I think the article mentions he's eligible to return for the Giants game (or whenever the 4 games is done). Might have something to do with a PUP or designated to return designation on the first one.

December 8th, it said. Just in time for . . . for what?

Dennis Allen. What a laroosh. Goodbye, Dennis, you can pick your paycheck up in the office down somewhere along the Bayou.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

https://x.com/32BeatWriters/status/1854370203385118997

Do we need to file a class action lawsuit?

If this beat reporter(?) is to be believed, Miller is healthy and it was a surprise and a source of frustration amongst the coaching staff that Allen placed him on IR after his latest hamstring injury. I guess the positive takeaway is that he should be full-go when first eligible to come back.

Can he come back? Isn't this his 2nd stint on IR this year? If so, I thought a 2nd trip to the IR was for the rest of the year?

Not true. Teams have a limited number of IR-R spots, but individual players can be designated to return more than once.

 

[Mitchie]

Seems like Allen's departure is reason for a glimmer of hope.

 

[da_budman]

Seems like Allen's departure is reason for a glimmer of hope.

Anything to see here? I would guess it is more than likely Kamara is not making it through this season if his work load stays the same....but who replaces him if that happens? I heard Allen basically hated him and was either healthy or very close when Allen put him on IR,,,,,, Then today I saw a FBG staffer say he was out for the year? Never heard that, If he is available to return I cant imagine the new staff wont use him if healthy. So any truth to him being placed on season ending IR or was that just speculation from FBG?