RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (2 Viewers)

[barackdhouse]

So if they're mining it from PFF, it's likely accurate. Now, what you're asking is a bit different than that, but if you agree with their methodology, then their method of watching film and being accurate with that methodology is probably more accurate than one would think.

No that's basically it. I definitely have tons of faith in the consistency of the method as it is applied there for PFF, just don't know what the method is for broken tackles.

So IDK maybe a sub to PFF is all it takes. I mean I know broken tackle rate is out there so is there anything like a 10 year database we could pull from if we had the right sub?

Sorry. I crossed swords there. We’re saying the same thing. They will consistently apply their methodology and we think that is likely to be consistent; it’s just that we don’t know what their methodology is.

I don’t think a sub is all it takes. I think that’s proprietary and they wouldn’t or don’t make it publicly available that far back. You’d have to have had it in your own database from their database going back some years. They likely only go a few years back on their website for subscribers. That’s a guess and I can’t say for sure.

If you have 10 extra hours per week for their training program, it might be pretty fun to actually work as a data collector:

Jobs at PFF

www.pff.com

@barackdhouse

If you're being serious I have a bit of background on that opportunity.

I can assure you that "fun" isn't really the word. It's interesting to see how the sausage is made, but the actual work is difficult and somewhat tedious. And you don't really get to watch the games like you think you would. You are there to enter data accurately and very quickly, which requires a whole different skill set than you might think. You can't just groove and watch the game. You need two monitors, a video program that allows you to pause, rewind, and fast-forward in precise increments, and a good attention span and eye for detail.

Yeah that is basically what I do for a living. Or used to before I was placed on admin leave. I'd tell people I work with high resolution aerial photography and doing digital mapping work with it and they're like "oh cool how fun" and then we're like "well actually..."

Science work is in itself extremely tedious and repetitive. So is production work. Anyway that is basically what I thrive on, and always have. Not sure just how much I'd be into the pay scale with all things considered. But I'll likely check it out. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Faust]

Kent Lee Platte
Quinshon Judkins is a RB prospect in the 2025 draft class. He scored a 9.90 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 23 out of 2099 RB from 1987 to 2025.

ras.football/ras-informatio…

https://x.com/mathbomb/status/1909663783032963099?s=61

 

[Faust]

Mina Kimes
Quinshon Judkins grinding down Penn State in the 4th quarter. Physical, tackle-breaking back with a surprisingly smooth stride and pass catching upside.

So. Many. Good. RBs.

https://x.com/minakimes/status/1908161801482653839?s=61

 

[Faust]

NFL news roundup: Ohio State RB Quinshon Judkins visiting Bengals, Broncos, Texans

 

[Faust]

Look: Ohio State Buckeyes Star Quinshon Judkins Visits Bengals Ahead of 2025 NFL Draft

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Judkins is the fifth-ranked running back on Dane Brugler's big board.

"Judkins has quick eyes and footwork to react to the blocking geometry, although he often runs like he is starving and must balance his aggressive style with improved patience before attacking the line of scrimmage," Brugler wrote. "His best traits are his play strength and the run toughness to drop his pads, barrel through heavy contact and come out the other side.

"Overall, Judkins isn’t as dynamic as other backs in this class, but he is an “attitude” runner with the quickness, vision and violence to be a productive lead option in an NFL backfield. He can help secure his spot on the depth chart by taking his passing-down responsibilities from serviceable to above average."

Judkins, 21, is 53rd on Pro Football Focus' big board. Lance Zierlein of NFL.com compares Judkins to former Bengals running back Joe Mixon.

"Judkins is a productive runner possessing good size and great contact aggression. His running style is both urgent and a bit chaotic," Zierlein wrote. "He runs with good burst inside but is more collision-based than wiggle-oriented when maneuvering through the lane. He’s efficient on runs outside the tackle box, but he has a tough time outracing pursuit to create explosive runs. He is wired and built for a heavier carry count and short-yardage success, but the disparity in yards per carry between Judkins and TreVeyon Henderson, despite running behind the same line, is telling. Judkins might need to be paired with a slasher, but he has the ingredients needed to become a three-down RB1."

Daniel Jeremiah might be higher on Judkins than most evaluators. Jeremiah has him 38th on his board and praised the Ohio State star in his evaluation.

"Judkins is a powerful, compact runner with outstanding career production," Jeremiah wrote. "He is very decisive and aggressive on inside runs. He runs low to the ground and hunts the unblocked defender with a thirst for violence. He has a vicious stiff-arm, provided he doesn’t simply lower his shoulder and run through the defender. On perimeter runs, he usually looks to square up and get vertical as soon as possible. He isn’t as polished in the passing game as Ohio State teammate TreVeyon Henderson, but he’s competent as a screen/checkdown option and he’s aware in pass protection. He’s at his best in the four-minute offense. He closed out the Penn State game with one punishing run after another. Overall, Judkins has areas to improve, but he is a natural runner and he’s built to carry a full load as a starter."

 

[Faust]

Mike Garafolo
“Ball security is job security.” The sure-handed Quinshon Judkins joined @judybattista and me on The Insiders on @nflnetwork to talk his physical running style, the value of the RB position and protecting the football, which he does extremely well.

https://x.com/mikegarafolo/status/1914860968904921271?s=61

 

[FantasyGuru24]

Is he David Montgomery or Samaje Perine?

 

[travdogg]

Is he David Montgomery or Samaje Perine?

Maybe its the Ohio St jersey, but I keep thinking back to Carlos Hyde.

 

[Faust]

Robert Griffin III
Quinshon Judkins is the perfect back for Kevin Stefanski and the Cleveland Browns’ zone running scheme. He can be a one cut, down hill back who has showcased the ability to hit the home run. He can run past you, run through you or shake you out of your shoes. LOVE the fit.

https://x.com/rgiii/status/1915910720346013987?s=61

 

[Hoh]

Cleveland was the one team that should have drafted Judkins over Henderson. I love the pick.

 

[FantasyGuru24]

Browns are quietly having an excellent draft and they also set themselves up for a QB in next years’ draft.

 

[Faust]

Quinshon Judkins Fantasy Outlook: Instant Reaction

 

[KellysHeroes]

Was probably pick #4 or #5... until they also selected Sampson

 

[JohnnyU]

Was probably pick #4 or #5... until they also selected Sampson

If he isn't good enough to put Sampson on the bench then he didn't deserve #4 or #5. The NFL showed you what they think of Dylan Sampson.

 

[beef]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

 

[JohnnyU]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

Why?

 

[beef]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

Why?

Plays slow, doesn't create a lot of missed tackles or get a lot of yards after contact.

 

[kface]

I think he will be alright in the short term but someone will take the job from him

Be interesting to see how the backfield splits go as Ford has shown he can play

 

[dipandglide]

He got a lot of draft capital for someone who is slow and will be replaced

I doubt he wows year one. He should improve as Cleveland does

 

[JohnnyU]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

Why?

Plays slow, doesn't create a lot of missed tackles or get a lot of yards after contact.

As a OSU homer I have to disagree. Look, I like Henderson more than Judkiins because he's more dynamic, but you obviously haven't watched much of Judkins.

 

[beef]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

Why?

Plays slow, doesn't create a lot of missed tackles or get a lot of yards after contact.

As a OSU homer I have to disagree. Look, I like Henderson more than Judkiins because he's more dynamic, but you obviously haven't watched much of Judkins.

Missed tackles and yards after contact are measurable stats. And he did bad in both.

 

[ghostguy123]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

Why?

Plays slow, doesn't create a lot of missed tackles or get a lot of yards after contact.

As a OSU homer I have to disagree. Look, I like Henderson more than Judkiins because he's more dynamic, but you obviously haven't watched much of Judkins.

Missed tackles and yards after contact are measurable stats. And he did bad in both.

How does he compare to others who faced similar competition?

 

[Gatorade]

He got a lot of draft capital for someone who is slow and will be replaced

I doubt he wows year one. He should improve as Cleveland does

In other words, you don't think he will really improve any time soon

 

[dipandglide]

He got a lot of draft capital for someone who is slow and will be replaced

I doubt he wows year one. He should improve as Cleveland does

In other words, you don't think he will really improve any time soon

In other words, Cleveland's offense leaves a lot to be desired Y1

 

[MAC_32]

Was probably pick #4 or #5... until they also selected Sampson

The rb room Friday morning was literally just Jerome Ford. Asking a rookie to lead the room by himself is development malfeasance.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Was probably pick #4 or #5... until they also selected Sampson

The rb room Friday morning was literally just Jerome Ford. Asking a rookie to lead the room by himself is development malfeasance.

I get it, but they could of waited longer to draft him a committee, Judkins should get the larger share ofcourse but he will have Bucky Irving lite right next to him. The Sampson pick puts Henderson and Harvey above Judkins I think

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Was probably pick #4 or #5... until they also selected Sampson

The rb room Friday morning was literally just Jerome Ford. Asking a rookie to lead the room by himself is development malfeasance.

I get it, but they could of waited longer to draft him a committee, Judkins should get the larger share ofcourse but he will have Bucky Irving lite right next to him. The Sampson pick puts Henderson and Harvey above Judkins I think

That’s what I’m thinking. And Kaleb Johnson too.

 

[pinkstapler]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

Why?

Plays slow, doesn't create a lot of missed tackles or get a lot of yards after contact.

As a OSU homer I have to disagree. Look, I like Henderson more than Judkiins because he's more dynamic, but you obviously haven't watched much of Judkins.

Missed tackles and yards after contact are measurable stats. And he did bad in both.

Judkins' 45 forced missed tackles are the fourth-most in college football, per PFF College data.

In 2022, he became the only running back in college football to have 75-plus missed tackles forced and 90-plus first downs. Not only that, he did that as a true freshman while carrying the rock on less than 50 percent of Ole Miss’ rushing attempts

Last season while setting the Ole Miss single-season record for rushing yards and rushing touchdowns, Judkins ran for 1,567 yards (5.7 yards per carry), with 929 yards coming after contact, according to Pro Football Focus. That was just over 59% of his yards, and an average of 3.38 yards after contact per attempt. This season, Judkins has 869 rushing yards (4.5 yards per carry) and 653 yards after contact, which is just over 75% of his yardage, and is averaging 3.42 yards after contact per attempt this year.

I said something similar in another thread last week on Judkins.
"People can explain statistics in multiple ways to prove varying, and often opposing, opinions. But I truly believe the few metrics boxes that Henderson and Judkins don't tick (which causes some guys, especially analytics guys, to ding them a bit and not consider them closer to Jeanty) can largely be explained by them cannibalizing each other in what was pretty much an offensive juggernaut this year at OSU. The fact they got the receiving work they even did this year considering the receiving options on the team is wild to me. And anyone questioning Judkins efficiency, wiggle, tackle breaking ability hasn't watched any games he played in before 2024 IMO. He exploded as a true freshman at Ole Miss, stealing the starting job from Junior incumbent Zach Evans. Isolating his metrics from that season alone elevate him to an elite prospect, and even averaging them in with his time at OSU gives him enough of a bump to remove any potential red flags."

It's not meant to be an insult, but anyone who watched a lot of tape on Judkins, especially his time at Ole Miss, would not question his elusiveness or tackle breaking. They are both well above average, if not elite. His usage at OSU was largely viewed as the "dirty work" role. If someone is ONLY looking at his metrics from 2024; well that's what happens to your metrics when you are not only tasked with taking all the middle rushes against stacked boxes and on early downs; but you are paired with another elite back who gets the short yardage looks, passing down looks, and play calls to the outside.

I'm not looking to get you to change your mind on being down on Judkins. I'd just find better reasons to be. Like I quoted from my other post, we can all twist statistics to tell whatever story we want. But I would confidently bet a paycheck any complaints about how he does this year with the Browns won't include creating missed tackles or getting YAC. Much more likely to be pass protection or getting caught from behind on break away runs. Unless somehow Sampson wins a 50% touch share and he's relegated to the same kind of splits he was getting with Henderson at OSU where nearly every optimal/"good" look in positive game scripts and scenarios are going to the other guy. When he's given the lions share of a backfield, he's one of the best 3 down backs in this class.

 

[beef]

@pinkstapler Great post!

The way OSU used him certainly clarifies a lot of that data, and the small sample size. With Ford there, the drafting of Sampson too, this is part of what concerns me about Judkins as a fantasy RB. Right now I see Cleveland using him in a similar role, limited PPR involvement, grinding out the hard yards. For a mid 1st rookie pick I'm not seeing the upside right now.

 

[pinkstapler]

@pinkstapler Great post!

The way OSU used him certainly clarifies a lot of that data, and the small sample size. With Ford there, the drafting of Sampson too, this is part of what concerns me about Judkins as a fantasy RB. Right now I see Cleveland using him in a similar role, limited PPR involvement, grinding out the hard yards. For a mid 1st rookie pick I'm not seeing the upside right now.

The Sampson part probably has me more worried than anything. The draft capital says it shouldn't amount to much, but man were a lot of people high on this kid pre-draft. It does give me a little pause. Not enough to move Judkins that far down though; think I'd still have him as RB4 after Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson.

 

[JohnnyU]

@pinkstapler Great post!

The way OSU used him certainly clarifies a lot of that data, and the small sample size. With Ford there, the drafting of Sampson too, this is part of what concerns me about Judkins as a fantasy RB. Right now I see Cleveland using him in a similar role, limited PPR involvement, grinding out the hard yards. For a mid 1st rookie pick I'm not seeing the upside right now.

The Sampson part probably has me more worried than anything. The draft capital says it shouldn't amount to much, but man were a lot of people high on this kid pre-draft. It does give me a little pause. Not enough to move Judkins that far down though; think I'd still have him as RB4 after Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson.

Let’s not forget, he said he transferred to Ohio St. to reduce his workload. They said this during the draft. Ole Miss ran him into the ground. So he may welcome a split workload with Sampson

 

[Faust]

Fantasy Football 2025: RB Quinshon Judkins player profile

 

[joey]

@pinkstapler Great post!

The way OSU used him certainly clarifies a lot of that data, and the small sample size. With Ford there, the drafting of Sampson too, this is part of what concerns me about Judkins as a fantasy RB. Right now I see Cleveland using him in a similar role, limited PPR involvement, grinding out the hard yards. For a mid 1st rookie pick I'm not seeing the upside right now.

The Sampson part probably has me more worried than anything. The draft capital says it shouldn't amount to much, but man were a lot of people high on this kid pre-draft. It does give me a little pause. Not enough to move Judkins that far down though; think I'd still have him as RB4 after Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson.

Let’s not forget, he said he transferred to Ohio St. to reduce his workload. They said this during the draft. Ole Miss ran him into the ground. So he may welcome a split workload with Sampson

Super interesting tidbit. Thanks.

 

[barackdhouse]

I think Ford is going to be a bigger monkey wrench in year 1 here than people realize. He's by far the best receiver of the 3 and the only vet. It seems like an early down hot-hand split between the 3 of them. I do think they'll give the rookies chances to earn receiving looks but this looks like major avoid territory to me. Also it's Cleveland.

 

[Ilov80s]

@pinkstapler Great post!

The way OSU used him certainly clarifies a lot of that data, and the small sample size. With Ford there, the drafting of Sampson too, this is part of what concerns me about Judkins as a fantasy RB. Right now I see Cleveland using him in a similar role, limited PPR involvement, grinding out the hard yards. For a mid 1st rookie pick I'm not seeing the upside right now.

The Sampson part probably has me more worried than anything. The draft capital says it shouldn't amount to much, but man were a lot of people high on this kid pre-draft. It does give me a little pause. Not enough to move Judkins that far down though; think I'd still have him as RB4 after Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson.

Let’s not forget, he said he transferred to Ohio St. to reduce his workload. They said this during the draft. Ole Miss ran him into the ground. So he may welcome a split workload with Sampson

I expect pretty much every RB in the NFL to have a counter part that sees a significant number of touches. The key part is getting the high value touches.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Seems like a great kid. Well spoken, hard working. Depending on how our draft falls, I will be more than happy to get him at the 1.05

 

[Boston]

@pinkstapler Great post!

The way OSU used him certainly clarifies a lot of that data, and the small sample size. With Ford there, the drafting of Sampson too, this is part of what concerns me about Judkins as a fantasy RB. Right now I see Cleveland using him in a similar role, limited PPR involvement, grinding out the hard yards. For a mid 1st rookie pick I'm not seeing the upside right now.

The Sampson part probably has me more worried than anything. The draft capital says it shouldn't amount to much, but man were a lot of people high on this kid pre-draft. It does give me a little pause. Not enough to move Judkins that far down though; think I'd still have him as RB4 after Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson.

Let’s not forget, he said he transferred to Ohio St. to reduce his workload. They said this during the draft. Ole Miss ran him into the ground. So he may welcome a split workload with Sampson

I expect pretty much every RB in the NFL to have a counter part that sees a significant number of touches. The key part is getting the high value touches.

Agreed...Ford doesn't worry me because we know what he is...if there is a worry it is Sampson...if he is legit that adds another dynamic to the backfield.

 

[Ray Barboni]

@pinkstapler Great post!

The way OSU used him certainly clarifies a lot of that data, and the small sample size. With Ford there, the drafting of Sampson too, this is part of what concerns me about Judkins as a fantasy RB. Right now I see Cleveland using him in a similar role, limited PPR involvement, grinding out the hard yards. For a mid 1st rookie pick I'm not seeing the upside right now.

The Sampson part probably has me more worried than anything. The draft capital says it shouldn't amount to much, but man were a lot of people high on this kid pre-draft. It does give me a little pause. Not enough to move Judkins that far down though; think I'd still have him as RB4 after Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson.

Let’s not forget, he said he transferred to Ohio St. to reduce his workload. They said this during the draft. Ole Miss ran him into the ground. So he may welcome a split workload with Sampson

I expect pretty much every RB in the NFL to have a counter part that sees a significant number of touches. The key part is getting the high value touches.

Agreed...Ford doesn't worry me because we know what he is...if there is a worry it is Sampson...if he is legit that adds another dynamic to the backfield.

What’s nice, or I guess I should say “ok” is that you can easily draft both in rookie drafts.

If you’re in the position to get Judkins, seems you can also add Sampson in the 3rd round. Maybe 3.04-3.07 range.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Not a big fan for Redraft '25
Avoiding most Browns this year

 

[Ray Barboni]

If he stayed at Ole Miss, everyone would be considering him along with Jeanty and Hampton.

Don’t let the fact he chose to split time at OSU deter you from how damn good he is.

Jeanty is great. But he did NOT play in the big 10. He’s oddly not being questioned. Meanwhile Judkins is getting knocked for, what exactly?

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Not a big fan for Redraft '25
Avoiding most Browns this year

SSanders presence scares me away from the Browns. I have Jeudy in a contract league and I’ll just ride him out and hope for the best.

 

[JohnnyU]

If he stayed at Ole Miss, everyone would be considering him along with Jeanty and Hampton.

Don’t let the fact he chose to split time at OSU deter you from how damn good he is.

Jeanty is great. But he did NOT play in the big 10. He’s oddly not being questioned. Meanwhile Judkins is getting knocked for, what exactly?

I agree with you about Jeanty and the level of competition he faced versus what Judkins faced. Having said that, and coming from an OSU family, I think Judkins will be a fine pro, but he's not without flaws.. He has good vision between the tackles and will be a chain mover, but he lacks in elusiveness and top end speed and I've watched a lot of Quinshon Judkins. He won't make anyone miss in the open field. But what he does, he does very well. He's physical and a punishing runner and good after contact. He may not break the big one very often, but I think he will average over 5 yards per carry. Coach, "If you want 40, I'll give you 8".

 

[King of the Jungle]

If he stayed at Ole Miss, everyone would be considering him along with Jeanty and Hampton.

Don’t let the fact he chose to split time at OSU deter you from how damn good he is.

Jeanty is great. But he did NOT play in the big 10. He’s oddly not being questioned. Meanwhile Judkins is getting knocked for, what exactly?

I agree with you about Jeanty and the level of competition he faced versus what Judkins faced. Having said that, and coming from an OSU family, I think Judkins will be a fine pro, but he's not without flaws.. He has good vision between the tackles and will be a chain mover, but he lacks in elusiveness and top end speed and I've watched a lot of Quinshon Judkins. He won't make anyone miss in the open field. But what he does, he does very well. He's physical and a punishing runner and good after contact. He may not break the big one very often, but I think he will average over 5 yards per carry. Coach, "If you want 40, I'll give you 8".

All-time speedster Chris Johnson averaged over 5.0 ypc once in his career, if Judkins is over 5 I would think that is a great sign.

 

[menobrown]

Not a big fan for Redraft '25
Avoiding most Browns this year

SSanders presence scares me away from the Browns. I have Jeudy in a contract league and I’ll just ride him out and hope for the best.

2 of my 3 most drafted players last year was Juedy(1) and Njoku(3). They did not disappoint.

Granted their production is in the passing game but I don't run from bad teams. Stefanski is a two time head coach of the year and offense is what he knows. Whoever he puts out there are QB is probably an upgrade from being saddled with Watson for a chunk of the last two seasons.

I sure would not be worried about a guy who might not even make the team bringing down the fantasy production.

 

[menobrown]

If you’re in the position to get Judkins, seems you can also add Sampson in the 3rd round. Maybe 3.04-3.07 range.

His ADP out of 348 drafts this weekend in FFPC standard leagues is rookie 22 so that range might be pushing it in most leagues.

I did grab him at 3.3 in one league I took Judkins(1.8), moved up from 3.8 to get him. Made me feel a lot better because I honestly had Sampson as least on par with him before the draft. But draft capital means so much to me for RB's and I'm not one to think I'm smarter then the NFL on most things.

After they took Sampson I wondered if this could be like Jamaal Williams/Aaron Jones and it's not out of the question but their draft capital that year was a 4 and a 5 I think, a little wider variance.

I will also say I let draft capital influence me to taking Judkins over Kaleb who I had ranked much higher then Judkins before the draft. That one tugged at me hard and I did got both of them in leagues but I just could not shake the idea Judkins was close to first round draft capital and is the premium RB draft capital zone while Kaleb was not far from a 4th and outside my premium zone(loosely top 75 though in this years class you can see why some exceptions could be made). But regardless pick 36 is very premium, that's commitment zone especially in this class.

 

[JohnnyU]

If he stayed at Ole Miss, everyone would be considering him along with Jeanty and Hampton.

Don’t let the fact he chose to split time at OSU deter you from how damn good he is.

Jeanty is great. But he did NOT play in the big 10. He’s oddly not being questioned. Meanwhile Judkins is getting knocked for, what exactly?

I agree with you about Jeanty and the level of competition he faced versus what Judkins faced. Having said that, and coming from an OSU family, I think Judkins will be a fine pro, but he's not without flaws.. He has good vision between the tackles and will be a chain mover, but he lacks in elusiveness and top end speed and I've watched a lot of Quinshon Judkins. He won't make anyone miss in the open field. But what he does, he does very well. He's physical and a punishing runner and good after contact. He may not break the big one very often, but I think he will average over 5 yards per carry. Coach, "If you want 40, I'll give you 8".

All-time speedster Chris Johnson averaged over 5.0 ypc once in his career, if Judkins is over 5 I would think that is a great sign.

There are different types of 5 yards per carry. I know that’s ambitious, but he could get close. He’s not a big play guy, but he will be a good back.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Not a big fan for Redraft '25
Avoiding most Browns this year

SSanders presence scares me away from the Browns. I have Jeudy in a contract league and I’ll just ride him out and hope for the best.

2 of my 3 most drafted players last year was Juedy(1) and Njoku(3). They did not disappoint.

Granted their production is in the passing game but I don't run from bad teams. Stefanski is a two time head coach of the year and offense is what he knows. Whoever he puts out there are QB is probably an upgrade from being saddled with Watson for a chunk of the last two seasons.

I sure would not be worried about a guy who might not even make the team bringing down the fantasy production.

Over/Under on Cleveland victories this season and how many times they'll be running out the clock?
Armed with 2 first round picks next year, they can help themselves by getting in early position again for a much deeper QB class
I'm not running towards them right now, that QB situation is frightening. When did Kenny Pickett suddenly become good? How far can you ride a 40 yr old $4M Joe Flacco at QB?
When will Dillon Gabriel be ready if ever? He's already 24, went to multiple colleges and could easily fizzle at the NFL level. He wasn't very high on my list
Then there is Shedeuer Sanders and I don't even know where to begin
This has all the makings of a possible 12-13 loss season IMHO, don't see how they are anywhere close to pushing for .500 or the Wildcard spots

 

[BigTex]

Wasn't a huge fan before, even less now.

Why?

Plays slow, doesn't create a lot of missed tackles or get a lot of yards after contact.

As a OSU homer I have to disagree. Look, I like Henderson more than Judkiins because he's more dynamic, but you obviously haven't watched much of Judkins.

Totally agree. Judkins put up 1,699 scrimmage yards and 17 total touchdowns as a freshman in just 13 games. His yards per carry dropped to 4.3 as a sophomore, but he still broke 52 tackles—that’s more than any Power Conference back in the last five years. He’s got solid hands too, with 59 catches over 42 games, even though he’s carried the ball 739 times in his career.

Tex

 

[MAC_32]

Over/Under on Cleveland victories this season and how many times they'll be running out the clock?
Armed with 2 first round picks next year, they can help themselves by getting in early position again for a much deeper QB class
I'm not running towards them right now, that QB situation is frightening. When did Kenny Pickett suddenly become good? How far can you ride a 40 yr old $4M Joe Flacco at QB?
When will Dillon Gabriel be ready if ever? He's already 24, went to multiple colleges and could easily fizzle at the NFL level. He wasn't very high on my list
Then there is Shedeuer Sanders and I don't even know where to begin
This has all the makings of a possible 12-13 loss season IMHO, don't see how they are anywhere close to pushing for .500 or the Wildcard spots

The OC and OL coach that was brought in to install the Watson offense are gone. The scheme, including blocking, is reverting back to what it was before he got here. This offseason was spent re-stocking the cupboard with assets that fit that scheme.

While I hated not addressing OL in the draft, the starting 5 (if healthy) is great and a perfect fit for this scheme, whereas they were not with what they were doing last year. The skill position personnel isn't much different than what we saw in 2022 and 2023 - Jeudy instead of Coop, Tillman instead of Moore, but a return to the 2 TE sets (Fannin) that Stefanski favored with Baker. Those teams went 18-15 over those 2 seasons and the RB's carried the ball 400+ times in each season, scoring double digit TD's.

 

[KellysHeroes]

If you draft him mid 1st, are you then planning on taking Sampson mid 2nd?
On one hand you have Cle RB room locked up for yrs in one draft, but it is a lot of draft capital