RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (3 Viewers)

[Bracie Smathers]

At this point it is tough to see Judkins being much of a factor this season

The Browns have been prepping 4th round RB draft pick Dylan Sampson as the pass catching 3rd down back so he's been getting up to date in pass-pro. Judkins was set to be the bell-cow and goal line RB. In other words, he will have an uber-easy transition once he's able to hit the practice field and he did go through rookie and mini camps, so he's had 'some' installs and I'm sure he has the playbook.
Ranking NFL position groups from easiest to hardest for rookies
1. RUNNING BACK

Easiest skill to master: It's an instinctive position. Attack a gap, follow the blocking. Do what comes natural.

Hardest: Pass protection. In fact, the entire passing game can be challenging for a rookie.

 

[menobrown]

At this point it is tough to see Judkins being much of a factor this season as this drags on. Learning the playbook and getting into football shape will take some time no matter when this resolves.

I's not difficult for me to see. RB is not the most challenging position to pick up. He's participated in all the OTA's, mini-camp's, probably got his playbook months ago and likely will have a few weeks to peruse it when he gets suspended.

This is not even as bad as if he had done something like pulled a hamstring or had an ankle sprain the first day of camp because he at least gets to stay in shape and I've seen several rookies over the years at positions that are more difficult to pick up miss most of camp and be perfectly fine to outstanding.

 

[menobrown]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

Are we sure Bond is not facing league discipline?

 

[MAC_32]

Are we sure Bond is not facing league discipline?

Not at all, but from what I've gleaned on both cases from ~35,000 feet, the details have appeared different.

 

[menobrown]

Are we sure Bond is not facing league discipline?

Not at all, but from what I've gleaned on both cases from ~35,000 feet, the details have appeared different.

My total absolute guess. I will admit it's all very flimsy and should be taken with less then a grain of salt but perhaps in their own investigations they believe Bond was really innocent whereas Judkins just beat the charge and when the NFL wraps up their investigation they will share that opinion.

 

[Jail]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

 

[Largent]

I don't think he's going to amount to much until mid-season at the earliest. Jerome Ford is a capable, explosive runner and knows the system in and out. Have to wonder what Judkins mindset is like, I mean he's dumb enough to punch a woman, this kinda unrest can shake people.....part of what I think happened to Watson....once the glass broke, the ego couldn't cash in the chips no more.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

 

[Jail]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

Very different. From what I’ve read Bond maintains his innocence and passed a polygraph. Judkins has admitted to punching and pushing a woman.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

Very different. From what I’ve read Bond maintains his innocence and passed a polygraph. Judkins has admitted to punching and pushing a woman.

Link please, I haven't really been following much as of the last week or so but him admitting to violence is brand new news to me

 

[KellysHeroes]

At this point it is tough to see Judkins being much of a factor this season as this drags on. Learning the playbook and getting into football shape will take some time no matter when this resolves.

I's not difficult for me to see. RB is not the most challenging position to pick up. He's participated in all the OTA's, mini-camp's, probably got his playbook months ago and likely will have a few weeks to peruse it when he gets suspended.

This is not even as bad as if he had done something like pulled a hamstring or had an ankle sprain the first day of camp because he at least gets to stay in shape and I've seen several rookies over the years at positions that are more difficult to pick up miss most of camp and be perfectly fine to outstanding.

Same, in any other circumstance a GM would look like a piece of crap not signing their 2nd round rookie pick by now... all but this one. The Browns get to play the moral high ground here and look like they're the good guys but I assure you there is a team friendly deal on the table right now for him and his agent... its all a question of who blinks 1st. Baring an injury to Ford or Sampson, the Browns could wait right up to the start of the season or maybe a little more while squeezing him for a few dollars. The kid has been instructed to continue training and has the playbook; the coach/OC/position coaches have most likely been in touch with him with the expectation that when this over and he finally can report he be as ready as can be... being the early-down back and inside rusher he'll be ready very quickly.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

Very different. From what I’ve read Bond maintains his innocence and passed a polygraph. Judkins has admitted to punching and pushing a woman.

I don’t believe this is correct. Do you have a link? Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation

 

[Ilov80s]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

Very different. From what I’ve read Bond maintains his innocence and passed a polygraph. Judkins has admitted to punching and pushing a woman.

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything? I sure would be surprised to see that. The article I read said Cleveland insisted Bond TAKE a polygraph before offering him the contract. The article I saw had absolutely no details about the results of that test. Which is to say nothing of the fact that legally and scientifically they are considered unreliable.

 

[menobrown]

Link please, I haven't really been following much as of the last week or so but him admitting to violence is brand new news to me

I don’t believe this is correct. Do you have a link? Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything?

I don't think Jail has presented it this in a way which really captures what Judkins admitted to but I'm guessing he's referring to the statement the police or prosecutor released saying they were not pressing charges, a statement that has been linked at least twice now in this thread. In that statement they recount Judkins side of the story were he admits that he kicked and pushed her because she kept kicking him from the backseat.

I don't see where he ever said he punched her and per Judkins account it was basically self defense so again he admitted to some form of physical altercation but again I don't think Jail accurately depicted what Judkins tesitifed to by saying he "punched and pushed her".

 

[Ilov80s]

Link please, I haven't really been following much as of the last week or so but him admitting to violence is brand new news to me

I don’t believe this is correct. Do you have a link? Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything?

I don't think Jail has presented it this in a way which really captures what Judkins admitted to but I'm guessing he's referring to the statement the police or prosecutor released saying they were not pressing charges, a statement that has been linked at least twice now in this thread. In that statement they recount Judkins side of the story were he admits that he kicked and pushed her because she kept kicking him from the backseat.

I don't see where he ever said he punched her and per Judkins account it was basically self defense so again he admitted to some form of physical altercation but again I don't think Jail accurately depicted what Judkins tesitifed to by saying he "punched and pushed her".

Ok thanks, I don't think I read that full statement. So that is on me. That does pose another difference here. Denying any pushing/kicking/hitting vs admitting there was some but it was in self defense. Also I do know the woman in Judkins case had pictures of injuries where my understanding with Bond part of the reason the grand jury declined to move forward was a lack of evidence showing the woman sustained injuries.

Anyway, I am stuck in this situation because I have Judkins in dynasty so it sucks. For redraft, I am just doing the easiest thing here and avoiding the whole troublesome muddy Browns backfield. The way I see it, in dynasty I already stepped in the **** and I have to figure out what to do with it. In redraft, I can just step over the pile of **** and move on.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

Very different. From what I’ve read Bond maintains his innocence and passed a polygraph. Judkins has admitted to punching and pushing a woman.

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything? I sure would be surprised to see that. The article I read said Cleveland insisted Bond TAKE a polygraph before offering him the contract. The article I saw had absolutely no details about the results of that test. Which is to say nothing of the fact that legally and scientifically they are considered unreliable.

Its the SJW mindset. A person is clearly innocent if they stay in the public eye, stand on a soapbox and continue to declare themselves of no wrong doings while a person is clearly guilty if they follow their defense attorney's instructions and stay out of the spotlight and say nothing.

 

[Ilov80s]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

Very different. From what I’ve read Bond maintains his innocence and passed a polygraph. Judkins has admitted to punching and pushing a woman.

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything? I sure would be surprised to see that. The article I read said Cleveland insisted Bond TAKE a polygraph before offering him the contract. The article I saw had absolutely no details about the results of that test. Which is to say nothing of the fact that legally and scientifically they are considered unreliable.

Its the SJW mindset. A person is clearly innocent if they stay in the public eye, stand on a soapbox and continue to declare themselves of no wrong doings while a person is clearly guilty if they follow their defense attorney's instructions and stay out of the spotlight and say nothing.

I don't think that SJW is really something the thread needs. It seems human nature to believe someone who adamantly stands up and defends themselves vs someone who refuses to talk. I don't believe the NFL or the Browns are going factor that into their final decisions.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Cleveland is willing offer good money with guarantees for a player in a similar circumstance.

I write this from the perspective of someone that's not really paid attention, but my rudimentary understanding is A) there is a difference between the Bond and Judkins cases and B) there is a potential commish exempt list issue that may be why they're waiting to move on Judkins.

If either / both of those are wrong, feel free to share. Again, I'm not locked in on the details of either.

No doubt there are differences. I did a little research and with the Bond case, the biggest thing seems to be there was no evidence of injury. So she didn't have pictures of bruises, cuts, etc. As for the NFL suspending Bond or putting him on the exempt list, unless Cleveland got some kind of secret wink wink message from the league, I would assume he is still likely to be suspended at some point. We probably won't know for awhile. It sounds like the NFL uses some kind of legal counsel person to do these investigations for them. They have already started they are so busy that they won't be able to begin work on the Rashee Rice case until the end of September. So I assume that means Judkins and Bond aren't going to get resolved by the league any time soon.

I think its more of Cleveland has control over Judkins due to his draft status while Bond was a FA and had competition for signing him. But being the Browns they're deciding to hold up his development to squeeze him out of a few 100ks

This just seems like you’re just trying to trash the Browns. They haven’t exactly been stingy with guaranteed money this offseason.

Everything I’ve read is that the delay is because of the NFL investigation.

Why now? Why Judkins
They did that terrible trade for Watson a few yrs ago and before you can say they learned their lesson they just grabbed Bond... as far as we know Bond isn't in the clear of the NFL suspension policy yet.

Very different. From what I’ve read Bond maintains his innocence and passed a polygraph. Judkins has admitted to punching and pushing a woman.

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything? I sure would be surprised to see that. The article I read said Cleveland insisted Bond TAKE a polygraph before offering him the contract. The article I saw had absolutely no details about the results of that test. Which is to say nothing of the fact that legally and scientifically they are considered unreliable.

Its the SJW mindset. A person is clearly innocent if they stay in the public eye, stand on a soapbox and continue to declare themselves of no wrong doings while a person is clearly guilty if they follow their defense attorney's instructions and stay out of the spotlight and say nothing.

I don't think that SJW is really something the thread needs. It seems human nature to believe someone who adamantly stands up and defends themselves vs someone who refuses to talk. I don't believe the NFL or the Browns are going factor that into their final decisions.

I agree going down the route of SJW isn’t going to lead us anywhere productive. The assumption though of someone remaining silent isn’t as believable should be dispelled.

 

[Jail]

Link please, I haven't really been following much as of the last week or so but him admitting to violence is brand new news to me

I don’t believe this is correct. Do you have a link? Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything?

I don't think Jail has presented it this in a way which really captures what Judkins admitted to but I'm guessing he's referring to the statement the police or prosecutor released saying they were not pressing charges, a statement that has been linked at least twice now in this thread. In that statement they recount Judkins side of the story were he admits that he kicked and pushed her because she kept kicking him from the backseat.

I don't see where he ever said he punched her and per Judkins account it was basically self defense so again he admitted to some form of physical altercation but again I don't think Jail accurately depicted what Judkins tesitifed to by saying he "punched and pushed her".

This is true. I was only posting as though people were following this thread. I have pointed out a couple times already, so I didn’t get detailed this time.

And I did use punch instead of hit, but I guess we don’t know if it was a punch or a kick. The statement says she was in the backseat kicking him, so he hit and pushed her back. Not sure how he’d kick her from the front seat, but I guess I could be wrong.

She claims that he initiated the hitting.

She presented photos of bruises and cuts to her face. At the end of the report the ASA says that the injuries seen in the photos could be explained by either version of events. If he didn’t admit to hitting or pushing her in the face I’m not sure why the ASA would say that his version could explain the injuries.

https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1956092084676431935

 

[Ilov80s]

Link please, I haven't really been following much as of the last week or so but him admitting to violence is brand new news to me

I don’t believe this is correct. Do you have a link? Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything?

I don't think Jail has presented it this in a way which really captures what Judkins admitted to but I'm guessing he's referring to the statement the police or prosecutor released saying they were not pressing charges, a statement that has been linked at least twice now in this thread. In that statement they recount Judkins side of the story were he admits that he kicked and pushed her because she kept kicking him from the backseat.

I don't see where he ever said he punched her and per Judkins account it was basically self defense so again he admitted to some form of physical altercation but again I don't think Jail accurately depicted what Judkins tesitifed to by saying he "punched and pushed her".

This is true. I was only posting as though people were following this thread. I have pointed out a couple times already, so I didn’t get detailed this time.

And I did use punch instead of hit, but I guess we don’t know if it was a punch or a kick. The statement says she was in the backseat kicking him, so he hit and pushed her back. Not sure how he’d kick her from the front seat, but I guess I could be wrong.

She claims that he initiated the hitting.

She presented photos of bruises and cuts to her face. At the end of the report the ASA says that the injuries seen in the photos could be explained by either version of events. If he didn’t admit to hitting or pushing her in the face I’m not sure why the ASA would say that his version could explain the injuries.

https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1956092084676431935

I wasn’t as well informed as I should have even so thanks. I’ll say though there are differences in hitting, punching, kicking, pushing, etc.

 

[Jail]

Link please, I haven't really been following much as of the last week or so but him admitting to violence is brand new news to me

I don’t believe this is correct. Do you have a link? Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation

I know Bond has maintained his innocence but did Judkins admit to anything?

I don't think Jail has presented it this in a way which really captures what Judkins admitted to but I'm guessing he's referring to the statement the police or prosecutor released saying they were not pressing charges, a statement that has been linked at least twice now in this thread. In that statement they recount Judkins side of the story were he admits that he kicked and pushed her because she kept kicking him from the backseat.

I don't see where he ever said he punched her and per Judkins account it was basically self defense so again he admitted to some form of physical altercation but again I don't think Jail accurately depicted what Judkins tesitifed to by saying he "punched and pushed her".

This is true. I was only posting as though people were following this thread. I have pointed out a couple times already, so I didn’t get detailed this time.

And I did use punch instead of hit, but I guess we don’t know if it was a punch or a kick. The statement says she was in the backseat kicking him, so he hit and pushed her back. Not sure how he’d kick her from the front seat, but I guess I could be wrong.

She claims that he initiated the hitting.

She presented photos of bruises and cuts to her face. At the end of the report the ASA says that the injuries seen in the photos could be explained by either version of events. If he didn’t admit to hitting or pushing her in the face I’m not sure why the ASA would say that his version could explain the injuries.

https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1956092084676431935

I wasn’t as well informed as I should have even so thanks. I’ll say though there are differences in hitting, punching, kicking, pushing, etc.

Yeah I agree. I shouldn’t have used punching. The report says hitting and pushing. Could be a slap. Could be a kick. Either way…it was to her face. Not a good decision. NFL can easily say that he should have just pulled over. Not good optics.

 

[Marmot]

Lots of legal talk in this thread but is bro gonna sign and play this year? What's the value for redraft?

He'd be like RB20(ish) if none of this crap. How much to drop that since he missed camp and not signed yet? I assume he'll sign soon?

Probably will get suspended at some point but I would guess not till 2026.

He should be more than a flyer or $1 player but not too much. Like RB35-RB40? I'd rather have Judkins than Rachaad White or Najee. What about him vs JK Dobbins or Javonte? Redraft. He's obviously not going to be playable right away but he has a clear path without depending on injury.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Lots of legal talk in this thread but is bro gonna sign and play this year? What's the value for redraft?

He'd be like RB20(ish) if none of this crap. How much to drop that since he missed camp and not signed yet? I assume he'll sign soon?

Probably will get suspended at some point but I would guess not till 2026.

He should be more than a flyer or $1 player but not too much. Like RB35-RB40? I'd rather have Judkins than Rachaad White or Najee. What about him vs JK Dobbins or Javonte? Redraft. He's obviously not going to be playable right away but he has a clear path without depending on injury.

At some point, he will be signed this yr. The Browns don't want him to enter next yrs draft and I'm sure Judkins and his agent know that he'll lose a lot of draft value by doing that (but could end up on a better team ). I think this stand off ends shortly before the season starts... but you never know with the Browns.

The NFL knows most people want a suspension from him so expect 3ish games after he signs. For redraft, I'm still noticing him being taken before Sampson and both are taken before Ford... the community knows what Ford is. RB20 is crazy high for him IMO; thats still Monty / Swift / Harvey and other very good RB3s that get you RB2 numbers.

 

[Ilov80s]

Browns are doing everything they can to send the signal they aren't signing him any time soon. Told the media they haven't been in contact with Judkins and are rumored to be in the market to trade for a RB.

 

[Terpman22]

Browns are doing everything they can to send the signal they aren't signing him any time soon. Told the media they haven't been in contact with Judkins and are rumored to be in the market to trade for a RB.

This is crazy, the NFL season literally kicks off in 13 days.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I thought once they signed Bond, Judkins would be soon to follow to rip off the band aide on the DV accused. Who knows how this will be in limbo at this point.

 

[Ilov80s]

Browns are doing everything they can to send the signal they aren't signing him any time soon. Told the media they haven't been in contact with Judkins and are rumored to be in the market to trade for a RB.

This is crazy, the NFL season literally kicks off in 13 days.

It is crazy. Not sure if it's true or if they are just looking for contract leverage.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Browns are doing everything they can to send the signal they aren't signing him any time soon. Told the media they haven't been in contact with Judkins and are rumored to be in the market to trade for a RB.

This is crazy, the NFL season literally kicks off in 13 days.

It is crazy. Not sure if it's true or if they are just looking for contract leverage.

Reminder that Devin Bush is not only NOT suspended but was also in the pre-season games; and there is no outcry from any organizations.

Devin Bush and domestic incident
Cleveland Browns linebacker Devin Bush is facing charges stemming from a domestic dispute in May 2025. He was arrested and charged with simple assault and harassment following an incident at his home near Pittsburgh.
Allegations

• According to the criminal complaint, Bush's girlfriend alleged that he assaulted her, smashed her phone, and took her car keys during an argument.
• She reportedly began recording him as he became aggressive, leading him to chase her and forcibly take her phone, causing abrasions on her wrist and foot.
• She and her daughter then fled to a neighbor's house.
• Bush admits to smashing the phone but denies any physical altercation.

Current status

• Bush's trial date is set for December 2nd in Allegheny County Court of Common Pleas.
• He has been practicing with the Browns through the preseason.
• The Browns stated they are aware of the situation and are gathering more information.
• The NFL is likely to conduct its own investigation and potentially discipline Bush under its personal conduct policy, even if he is not convicted of criminal charges.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Anybody else feel like there's something of a "scared straight" tactic being employed here? Browns steering wide and clear of the whole situation. Supposed rumors in adding a RB. Is anything above a depth guy believable even if they actually thought this guy's season is wiped out? Is Ford, seeing what you have in your 4th round pick, and Pierre Strong that bad of a 1-2-3 for where this team can reasonably expect to go this year? Just feels like it's all a message that's being sent to a guy that probably isn't going to get hit with that many games. How much is the NFL going to be able to throw at him even if they believe the alleged victim's story? Was there anything questionable that popped up about his character before this? Even if he's guilty as sin, what are the odds his representation didn't get to this woman with an offer before the NFL initiated their investigation?

Just shooting from the gut, but I wouldn't write off the possibility of no suspension at all. If that's the case, I'm not sure how long they're willing to let him dangle on the line. My guess is that it would be for as long as possible before taking flak for delaying the start of his career if he's not even being suspended. If it goes this route, I would guess maybe sometime after week 1 concluded as their likely max.

Perhaps more likely, they feel like they have enough to throw 2-4 games at him. I think into week 2 is my best guess for maintaining NFL appearances that they've overturned every stone to hit him with the maximum punishment possible. I really don't know what complicating factors would cause a resolution to get pushed out beyond that. Doesn't this come down to, she's cooperating with the NFL to throw the book at him in a case that didn't have sufficient evidence to criminally prosecute, or she's not.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Anybody else feel like there's something of a "scared straight" tactic being employed here? Browns steering wide and clear of the whole situation. Supposed rumors in adding a RB. Is anything above a depth guy believable even if they actually thought this guy's season is wiped out? Is Ford, seeing what you have in your 4th round pick, and Pierre Strong that bad of a 1-2-3 for where this team can reasonably expect to go this year? Just feels like it's all a message that's being sent to a guy that probably isn't going to get hit with that many games. How much is the NFL going to be able to throw at him even if they believe the alleged victim's story? Was there anything questionable that popped up about his character before this? Even if he's guilty as sin, what are the odds his representation didn't get to this woman with an offer before the NFL initiated their investigation?

Just shooting from the gut, but I wouldn't write off the possibility of no suspension at all. If that's the case, I'm not sure how long they're willing to let him dangle on the line. My guess is that it would be for as long as possible before taking flak for delaying the start of his career if he's not even being suspended. If it goes this route, I would guess maybe sometime after week 1 concluded as their likely max.

Perhaps more likely, they feel like they have enough to throw 2-4 games at him. I think into week 2 is my best guess for maintaining NFL appearances that they've overturned every stone to hit him with the maximum punishment possible. I really don't know what complicating factors would cause a resolution to get pushed out beyond that. Doesn't this come down to, she's cooperating with the NFL to throw the book at him in a case that didn't have sufficient evidence to criminally prosecute, or she's not.

Its purely financial, they have so much leverage against him and they want a team friendlier deal than normal. Like I said, I will bet everything i own that there is a team friendly deal written write now and can be signed any second

 

[electric Ape]

I tend to agree with most of KellysHeroes takes here.

The extra complicating factor is that Houston made the unpopular decision to fully guarantee Jayden Higgins second round deal and it created a precedent some of the more penny pinching teams are fighting against. Judkins wants to follow the new precedent and the Browns are using every bit of leverage they can muster to avoid following it and they have way more leverage than usual. But in the end unless there is info we aren't privy to teams don't light an early second round pick on fire, they will work out a deal.

 

[dipandglide]

It's looking increasingly like a lost year. Maybe Judkins comes on later in the season.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Any guesses as to when he first takes the field in a game?

 

[Ilov80s]

2026? It feels like a situation where we won't know anything and then week 1 Schefter will drop some kind of bomb.

 

[Jail]

So much Cleveland hate in this thread. We’re not talking about the Bengals here that love to pinch pennies. They just gave Garrett a huge contract. They guaranteed a full contract to an undrafted rookie. They gave their other 2nd round pick a fully guaranteed contract way back in May before all the picks fell in line. And now at a position that they really need they’re going to play hard ball? Even talking about making trades for another RB? That doesn’t really make much sense to me.

The simplest explanation is that they know he’ll hit the CE list if he signs before the legal stuff is worked out. His ex may be using it as leverage to get him to settle. She can keep postponing cooperation with the NFL to get him to settle.

Schefter has suggested that he may not sign until the legal issues are resolved. There was no mention about contract issues. Why are people speculating that’s the issue in here? Seems weird.

 

[(HULK)]

So much Cleveland hate in this thread. We’re not talking about the Bengals here that love to pinch pennies. They just gave Garrett a huge contract. They guaranteed a full contract to an undrafted rookie. They gave their other 2nd round pick a fully guaranteed contract way back in May before all the picks fell in line. And now at a position that they really need they’re going to play hard ball? Even talking about making trades for another RB? That doesn’t really make much sense to me.

The simplest explanation is that they know he’ll hit the CE list if he signs before the legal stuff is worked out. His ex may be using it as leverage to get him to settle. She can keep postponing cooperation with the NFL to get him to settle.

Schefter has suggested that he may not sign until the legal issues are resolved. There was no mention about contract issues. Why are people speculating that’s the issue in here? Seems weird.

The legal issues have been resolved, the charges were dropped for insufficient evidence over a week ago... He still isn't anywhere near signed though. That's why people are speculating.

 

[Ilov80s]

Random thought from someone with no legal background, is it possible that the woman could be considering a lawsuit against Judkins? We know she has photos that I am sure Judkins and Cleveland do not want released to the media. Perhaps right now, her lawyer and his lawyer are working out the details of a settlement and NDA which Cleveland is waiting for.

 

[Jail]

Random thought from someone with no legal background, is it possible that the woman could be considering a lawsuit against Judkins? We know she has photos that I am sure Judkins and Cleveland do not want released to the media. Perhaps right now, her lawyer and his lawyer are working out the details of a settlement and NDA which Cleveland is waiting for.

Yeah it was in the ASA report. She had a lawyer back then. They’re certainly working on a settlement. If he settles up with her before the NFL speaks with her that would drastically reduce his risk for NFL punishment.

 

[KellysHeroes]

So much Cleveland hate in this thread. We’re not talking about the Bengals here that love to pinch pennies. They just gave Garrett a huge contract. They guaranteed a full contract to an undrafted rookie. They gave their other 2nd round pick a fully guaranteed contract way back in May before all the picks fell in line. And now at a position that they really need they’re going to play hard ball? Even talking about making trades for another RB? That doesn’t really make much sense to me.

The simplest explanation is that they know he’ll hit the CE list if he signs before the legal stuff is worked out. His ex may be using it as leverage to get him to settle. She can keep postponing cooperation with the NFL to get him to settle.

Schefter has suggested that he may not sign until the legal issues are resolved. There was no mention about contract issues. Why are people speculating that’s the issue in here? Seems weird.

Devin Bush isn't on the CE list and as far as I can tell his situation is still active; and no one outside of hardcore Cle fans cares

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Random thought from someone with no legal background, is it possible that the woman could be considering a lawsuit against Judkins? We know she has photos that I am sure Judkins and Cleveland do not want released to the media. Perhaps right now, her lawyer and his lawyer are working out the details of a settlement and NDA which Cleveland is waiting for.

Yeah it was in the ASA report. She had a lawyer back then. They’re certainly working on a settlement. If he settles up with her before the NFL speaks with her that would drastically reduce his risk for NFL punishment.

I think you guys have it figured out. I forgot about the civil suit side of this. She's not spilling the beans to the NFL until her payday.

Not sure what the precedent is with NDAs, but if there's a settlement and she doesn't cooperate with the NFL investigation, it seems like the NFL might still throw the book at him under such circumstances? I'm sure there's a long history of NFL settlements with NDAs and I doubt this has been a reliable get out of jail card for the suspension side of it (I don't care enough to start digging through the case files).

It makes me wonder if the settlement & NDA can include provisions for the woman to turn around and cooperate with the NFL, telling them that there's nothing to it. If she isn't convincing, does the NFL still turn around and suspend?

YUCK. All I can say is I think I'm glad to have him at the 1.12 in a rookie dynasty this week, provided that he's not a serial domestic abuser. Don't really need him this year, but not writing him off either. I think he's on the field by week 6 if I had to guess. Does that mean instant workhorse in a good offense? No chance.

Re-draft is a much tougher sell and depends greatly on how many bench spots you can afford to waste. At a certain point in a certain league, I'm interested.

 

[electric Ape]

So much Cleveland hate in this thread. We’re not talking about the Bengals here that love to pinch pennies. They just gave Garrett a huge contract. They guaranteed a full contract to an undrafted rookie. They gave their other 2nd round pick a fully guaranteed contract way back in May before all the picks fell in line. And now at a position that they really need they’re going to play hard ball? Even talking about making trades for another RB? That doesn’t really make much sense to me.

The simplest explanation is that they know he’ll hit the CE list if he signs before the legal stuff is worked out. His ex may be using it as leverage to get him to settle. She can keep postponing cooperation with the NFL to get him to settle.

Schefter has suggested that he may not sign until the legal issues are resolved. There was no mention about contract issues. Why are people speculating that’s the issue in here? Seems weird.

You are right to point out that Cleveland has not been one of the truly "cheap" teams in recent history, this is absolutely true.

I think the reason some of us are speculating that contract terms and negotiations are fueling the delay is that other explanations don't really make sense. The current impasse is heavily against both the team's football interests and the player's personal interests. A player on the CE list gets to be in the building, meet coaches and teammates, attend meetings, get coached, and prep for the season. This is huge for a rookie if Cleveland wants to see some year 1 ROI on their large draft capital investment. And a player on the CE list gets paid which I think we can all agree is good for QJ. The NFL threatening CE does not derail either of these benefits.

On a related note, I'm watching the Browns last preseason game as we speak and GM Andrew Berry was asked for a live on-air update on Judkins. Berry said he's not prepared to give a public update but it's a team matter that they need to take "day by day" and "manage the situation appropriately." Not sure if we can make anything of that. I will say that Berry was also asked about Isaiah Bond and he went into more detail abut researching Bond's legal situation and feeling very comfortable with Bond's character. It does make you wonder if there are lingering team concerns around Judkins' recent incident or team investigations that are ongoing...

 

[menobrown]

So much Cleveland hate in this thread. We’re not talking about the Bengals here that love to pinch pennies.

Have not read through this thread but if anyone is saying this they are grossly uninformed. Like not knowing night from day because the Browns are entirely on the other end of the spectrum. They are 5th in actual cash spending this year and have been among the top 2-3 teams in cash spending the last few years. That they are doing this with an older stadium is even more impressive. Haslem's made his mistakes, but none of it's because of a lack of effort or trying to be cheap.

 

[(HULK)]

I'm really trying to determine if I keep him taxi'd this season or not. I've flip flopped a bunch. If he isn't signed by my deadline, I'm probably sending him to the taxi squad.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I'm really trying to determine if I keep him taxi'd this season or not. I've flip flopped a bunch. If he isn't signed by my deadline, I'm probably sending him to the taxi squad.

If I had that option, I would taxi. Unfortunately he will just collect dust on a roster spot for me this year.

 

[menobrown]

I'm really trying to determine if I keep him taxi'd this season or not. I've flip flopped a bunch. If he isn't signed by my deadline, I'm probably sending him to the taxi squad.

I think we discussed this before I was literally having this exact same thought process in the last few minutes.

My league only allows rookies to go on the taxi and I drafted ALL the second tier TE's(ETA-well I guess maybe I should include Fannin who I did not take). Taylor, Arroyo and Ferguson. I'm for sure putting one TE on taxi and my other taxi was either going be a a second TE, Judkins, or something kind of crazy where I leave Maye on it since I never activated him and create a situation were I just don't worry about since I got Josh Allen and so long as he stays healthy just pick up someone for his bye week. Not sure yet but at this point leaning putting Judkins on it with Ferguson.

This is my only league with taxi squads and imagine the rules for that are different in other leaugues. If I was in a league were I could not activate a player from taxi I would NOT consider putting Judkins on it and would in that case just bury two of my rookie TE's.

 

[kface]

For what it's worth, I taxi'd him

Hard to see this playing out in any way positive for him this year

 

[Jail]

So much Cleveland hate in this thread. We’re not talking about the Bengals here that love to pinch pennies. They just gave Garrett a huge contract. They guaranteed a full contract to an undrafted rookie. They gave their other 2nd round pick a fully guaranteed contract way back in May before all the picks fell in line. And now at a position that they really need they’re going to play hard ball? Even talking about making trades for another RB? That doesn’t really make much sense to me.

The simplest explanation is that they know he’ll hit the CE list if he signs before the legal stuff is worked out. His ex may be using it as leverage to get him to settle. She can keep postponing cooperation with the NFL to get him to settle.

Schefter has suggested that he may not sign until the legal issues are resolved. There was no mention about contract issues. Why are people speculating that’s the issue in here? Seems weird.

You are right to point out that Cleveland has not been one of the truly "cheap" teams in recent history, this is absolutely true.

I think the reason some of us are speculating that contract terms and negotiations are fueling the delay is that other explanations don't really make sense. The current impasse is heavily against both the team's football interests and the player's personal interests. A player on the CE list gets to be in the building, meet coaches and teammates, attend meetings, get coached, and prep for the season. This is huge for a rookie if Cleveland wants to see some year 1 ROI on their large draft capital investment. And a player on the CE list gets paid which I think we can all agree is good for QJ. The NFL threatening CE does not derail either of these benefits.

That’s a good point I hadn’t considered that he could still be in the facility. He could not practice or do anything on the field though. This is all strange.

My main point doesn’t change though. I don’t think it’s because the Browns are trying to squeeze him over money issues. There’s something else going on.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Browns have no update on status of unsigned second-round pick Quinshon Judkins

Browns running back Quinshon Judkins is the only player from the 2025 NFL draft who has not yet signed his rookie contract, and there's no indication that's going to change any time soon.

www.nbcsports.com

-Clear of any legal charges but Goodell could still drop the hammer on him just because and a full investigation is ongoing
-Browns are not afraid to pay players but want to see what Goodell plans to do first

Judkins should be signed immediately and Judkins needs to get over the guaranteed contract and accept that whoever this person was that tried to say he committed domestic violence was his choice to be friends with initially. Live and Learn Quinshon and stop making your Front Office look like the bad guys here, you were taken 36th overall, you gotta button up and focus on football

 

[Terpman22]

Browns have no update on status of unsigned second-round pick Quinshon Judkins

Browns running back Quinshon Judkins is the only player from the 2025 NFL draft who has not yet signed his rookie contract, and there's no indication that's going to change any time soon.

www.nbcsports.com

-Clear of any legal charges but Goodell could still drop the hammer on him just because and a full investigation is ongoing
-Browns are not afraid to pay players but want to see what Goodell plans to do first

Judkins should be signed immediately and Judkins needs to get over the guaranteed contract and accept that whoever this person was that tried to say he committed domestic violence was his choice to be friends with initially. Live and Learn Quinshon and stop making your Front Office look like the bad guys here, you were taken 36th overall, you gotta button up and focus on football

Maybe I’m wrong here but I don’t think this is what had made the Browns office look bad. The Browns just seem to always make the bad decision.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Browns have no update on status of unsigned second-round pick Quinshon Judkins

Browns running back Quinshon Judkins is the only player from the 2025 NFL draft who has not yet signed his rookie contract, and there's no indication that's going to change any time soon.

www.nbcsports.com

-Clear of any legal charges but Goodell could still drop the hammer on him just because and a full investigation is ongoing
-Browns are not afraid to pay players but want to see what Goodell plans to do first

Judkins should be signed immediately and Judkins needs to get over the guaranteed contract and accept that whoever this person was that tried to say he committed domestic violence was his choice to be friends with initially. Live and Learn Quinshon and stop making your Front Office look like the bad guys here, you were taken 36th overall, you gotta button up and focus on football

Maybe I’m wrong here but I don’t think this is what had made the Browns office look bad. The Browns just seem to always make the bad decision.

Good point, no doubt but he's not helping things by being part of this either