Ray Barboni
Footballguy
No. But, I'd still 1000% take my chances on a dud game from AJ over a garbage time hope on Henderson.
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RB TreVeyon Henderson, NE (1 Viewer)
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Been there and done that…picked up Geno and started him due to match up and expert opinions. Yeah, I lost that week due to this move.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Probably. Not me though. Thankfully, I can afford to hold him (redraft).
It’s really bad right now. But there’s still a lot of football ahead, and he’s supposedly a very explosive RB.
You would’ve liked to have seen something by now though …
ponchsox
Footballguy
I’m holding as well, but yeah it’s looking very bleak
Same here. Will continue to hold. It’s to a point I don’t want someone else to pick him then he blows up. Don’t need that salt on my wounds.
satch
Footballguy
Like I said, in hindsight, it was a jackass move. Then again, if Brown had another 4/37/0 game in a tough matchup, and Henderson went 8/32/1 in a great matchup, the decision would’ve seemed sensible. And as we all know, that could’ve very well happened. But it didn’t, so for this week, I’m a jackass. Next week a similar decision will seem prescient.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
… I already told you that you’re not an idiot. Do I need to tell you you’re also not a jackass?
Live and learn. We are all dumb, most of the time.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Nothing. Because in fantasy football, you will do what you should have done this week, but the decision will be wrong yet again.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
what I'll take from this.. only real life first round guys have high round capital from a fantasy perspective. The players drafted day 2 and 3 can have value, can play themselves into position but they don't merit fantasy draft capital due to how their teams likely view them.
And I mean, coaching matters, that alarm was sounded preseason,
He was a deadly 3rd round pick, if you got him 5/6th your'e probably surviving
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ponchsox
Footballguy
Hindsight is always 20/20. All we can do is set our lineups with the information that we have. Now we know that Henderson is a non-factor and we can’t use him until he proves us wrong.
LawFitz
Footballguy
For every rookie Saquads, there are ten rookie James Cooks (best case for small-play Trey).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The only weird thing to me is the Gibson injury. That absolutely should have resulted in a bump in usage. And it was like, the opposite.
Also, I know no one wants to admit this, but Rhamondre Stevenson is a very solid football player when he’s not putting the ball on the ground.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Si. Or in other words, da.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Are the Patriots admitting they shouldn't have drafted Henderson in the 2nd round (38th overall)? Because their actions speaks volume.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I can’t decide if I want to buy low or stay away. Seems Vrabel doesn’t like him and Vrabel doesn’t seem to be the type to change his mind easily. And he’s going nowhere.
I think the proliferation of fantasy content over the last couple years has led to people chasing rookies up the board a lot more than even 3 years ago. It’s easy to write articles about a rookie and with no priors of them in the NFL, writers have a blank slate to paint any narrative they want. Couple that with the abnormal anoint of breakouts last year (Bowers, Bucky, Daniels, BTJ) and rookies were being overdrafted this year.
This and we saw a potential Bucky during the preseason. This kid was electric and the fact he was a high second round pick. That and we also saw what he did at Ohio State. It’s ok to take a L sometimes.
ZADO
Footballguy
He`s just keeping TreVeyon motivated
efactor
Footballguy
He's been terrible this year. Look at his game logs. 2 decent games. One against the Dolphins and this week against the Titans. Titans are 29th against the run and the Dolphins are dead assssssssss last. The great Rico Dowdle had 200 yards against the Dolphins on over 9 YPC. That's how bad they are. He's averaged 2 yards or less in 3 games this year and those were against the Raiders, Bills and Saints.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He hasn’t been “terrible”. When he’s had touches, he’s done well. The games he’s done poorly, he was limited in his touches. That’s sort of the case with all RBs.
efactor
Footballguy
He's had 3 games of more than 10 touches. 1 of them was a stellar 13 carries for 18 yards against the Saints. That 1.4 YPC if my math is correct. 3.6 for the year and 3 fumbles. That's pretty terrible. The guy hasn't been good since 2022. I was very high on him after that season but downhill every year since.
Fortunately for the Patriots, their schedule is incredibly soft this year, so Vrabel can get away with using this JAG as his starter and get away it because he has an amazing young QB.
Think this dream is over.
Vrabel never punished Stevenson for his fumbling and gave him every chance to earn back his trust. And boy did he.
This isn't a 1a and 1b situation.
He may have his moments, but I doubt anyone will be able to predict them.
Was actually trying to buy him 2-3 weeks ago. Now looking back at what I was offering...bullet dodged.
Vrabel never punished Stevenson for his fumbling and gave him every chance to earn back his trust. And boy did he.
This isn't a 1a and 1b situation.
He may have his moments, but I doubt anyone will be able to predict them.
Was actually trying to buy him 2-3 weeks ago. Now looking back at what I was offering...bullet dodged.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Same
Chaka
Footballguy
Well, that doesn't tell the whole story now does it? He's also averaging over 10 yd per reception and 4.8 yd per touch.
He's by no means elite but, he's more than serviceable. If Henderson wants the job I think the opportunity exists. He just needs to go get it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Clearly the Pats coaches see something some of us don’t, because Hendo isn’t getting the opportunity to take it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Might be something to the poor pass pro chatter.
On a team with a young franchise QB you just can’t risk it.
On a team with a young franchise QB you just can’t risk it.
Chaka
Footballguy
I believe that's a philosophical belief of McDaniels and Vrable. Rookies wait their turn (barring massive positional need, e.g. Campbell) and vets get first shot (and second shot, third shot, multiple fumbles etc).
These guys would have sat a rookie Randy Moss.
But, it's working for them this year so, I don't expect much to change unless Treveyon manages to make them rethink with his limited touches.
Think about rookie Kenneth walker as an example. He was also a second round pick and was coming off a foal walker award. The incumbent in Seattle was Rachaad penny who had a great finish to the prior year but had never strung together a full season as a starter. IIRC he was drafted in the 100-110 range where as Henderson ended up being in the 40s.
I wasn't impressed with that third down back he singled out.
Jennings?
Titans defense was awful and ...
I'm wondering if he won't create this role, be used in it, fail and then Henderson takes the role over.
It is far better for the offense when everyone has roles.
Vrabel used to talk about needing big play players because the game was too hard after AJB. That has to still be on his mind.
I wouldn't quit on this kid if you have a deep bench.
Jennings?
Titans defense was awful and ...
I'm wondering if he won't create this role, be used in it, fail and then Henderson takes the role over.
It is far better for the offense when everyone has roles.
Vrabel used to talk about needing big play players because the game was too hard after AJB. That has to still be on his mind.
I wouldn't quit on this kid if you have a deep bench.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well, putting my obvious bias for Henderson aside, one would think if the Patriots are going to make their 2nd round pick (38th overall) 3rd string, they could have used that pick for something else?
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
My situation was similar, but different. I was picking 1.4 and was resigned I was getting Tet, but REALLY wanted Henderson. The guy at 1.3 took Tet, and I yelled oh sh## and could not select Hendo fast enough. Time will tell though.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Sure but I think the problem is just that he hasn't been what they were hoping he was when they drafted him.
It would be one thing if he were doing whatever behind the scenes rookie stuff he's doing that seems to irk McDaniels when working in rookies but he looked amazing and electric in the opportunities he has been getting. But he hasn't. He's looked extremely ordinary out there which is the more concerning part than the usage itself. It's not one of those cases where the rookie is flashing and we're all wondering why he's not getting the ball more. He gets the ball and we're all just kind of like "meh".
Maybe it's mental and he knows the coaches will pounce on a rookie that screws up so he's overthinking things and just trying to hard not to make a big error. If that's the case hopefully he'll get over it and maybe have a good game that gets him to loosen up a bit and stop thinking. This is kind of what seemed to happen for Omarion Hampton when Najee went out of the picture. It looked like he loosened up and just started being himself instead of just worrying about making a mistake that was going to put him behind the vet permanently.
socrates
Footballguy
Fair point. Vrabel has never been a gadget RB type of coach, but Josh McDaniels has shown he will use role players at the RB position. I believe Henderson is best suited for a shared role, but he will have to prove he can be a reliable piece of this offense for Vrabel to trust him. Thus far, we have not seen that from Henderson. He's hit rock bottom. I think this is a buy-low opportunity, although Henderson Managers may be reluctant to cash out low on their investment. It may require a crafty offer.
Bossman
Footballguy
Really thought Henderson would be the prototypical NE 3rd down specialist. Screen passes and get the ball in space kind of player. Kevin Faulk / James White 2.0.
So far I'm seeing him run it up the backs of his offensive lineman on what few opportunities he gets.
Also, this game vs TEN, he wasn't good enough to spell Stephenson... but too good to use in garbage time. Just stood behind Vrabes waiting for an opportunity that never came.
Strange for sure.
So far I'm seeing him run it up the backs of his offensive lineman on what few opportunities he gets.
Also, this game vs TEN, he wasn't good enough to spell Stephenson... but too good to use in garbage time. Just stood behind Vrabes waiting for an opportunity that never came.
Strange for sure.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sounds to me like Vrabel and McDaniels aren’t helping him. As someone who has watched every Henderson game I can tell you the Patriots are partly at fault for not tapping into Henderson’s talent. Perhaps their ego is getting in the way. But they are winning, so don’t look for anything to change anytime soon. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Vrabel’s usage of Derrick Henry criminal at times? Sometimes I think coaches think they are smarter than they actually are. Proven by his firing in Tennessee. Not necessarily because of Henry however.
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FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
This is 100% on the coaching staff. They’re not catching heat because they’re winning rn (which is the ultimate stat) but make no mistake if this team goes south the entire building should have to answer questions as to why this kid was not developed better especially since all we heard was “RAVE REVIEWS” the entire summer and preseason.
cdclopper
Footballguy
It's all because of Vrabel's ego. Such a shame.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, that one kickoff return was nice, but we ain't seen much else.
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Maybe. I agree that he and McDaniels are hard @$$#s (and McD seems arrogant AF and desperate to prove he's an Alpha Genius) but, as I understand it, they do run a complicated system and, maybe Henderson is slow to pick it up.
Chaka
Footballguy
I find this less concerning.
You're correct about how ordinary he has looked but, sometimes a player can overthink which, leads to hesitation, uncertainty.l and poor production.
In McDaniels system, that doesn't surprise me particularly, when you are given, maybe, two opportunities per quarter and, naturally want to maximize them. The offense needs to become instinct and, he probably isn't there yet.
And, let's be clear Rhamondre is playing pretty well, particularly on the receiving game but, Henderson's overall per touch production isn't that far behind. I still think he can be a productive fantasy asset this season.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Henderson isn’t slow, he’s a real talent that’s being ignored for egotistical reasons. There’s a reason why McDaniels was fired twice and Vrabel once, but while they are currently winning its status quo. I don’t expect Henderson to overtake Stevenson yet, if ever, but not playing Henderson is criminal. If they think so poorly of him they are essentially admitting they shouldn’t have drafted him in the 2nd round (38th overall). My guess on most teams this wouldn’t be happening.Maybe. I agree that he and McDaniels are hard @$$#s (and McD seems arrogant AF and desperate to prove he's an Alpha Genius) but, as I understand it, they do run a complicated system and, maybe Henderson is slow to pick it up.
