RB Zach Charbonnet, SEA (10 Viewers)

[Payne]

This had turned into a full blown RBBC. Carroll even said this past week he looked forward to a game where he could get Charb's more carries then Walker and he expected Walker to be unhappy about it and he said he was good with that.

Yep. Just like many of us were saying it would after the draft.

FWIW I’m inclined to agree with you about Charbonnet’s profile. Conner is a good comp.

Just stop. Stop. There is no way this was a full blown RBBC. It took to Week 12 AND an injury to hear from the Charbs backers. Sheesh.

149 carries to 53.
613 yards to 261
6 TD's to zero

Denial isn’t just a River in Egypt.

And it didn’t take injury - Charbs has been near 50-50 for weeks now.

Cmon. Just admit you were wrong.

lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

 

[ghostguy123]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

Before last week when walker got hurt early, it was pretty evident walker was the man

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

Before last week when walker got hurt early, it was pretty evident walker was the man

“the man” sure. But in a committee. Charbonnet’s snap count has been on the rise for the last month.

And at this point Walker’s abdomen/groin issues seem a bit chronic.

Regardless, Charbonnet was not sitting on the bench as a clear backup, as was asserted by some.

Again, not a hill I need to die on. Just an observation.

 

[FarFromHome]

Love the opinions but I'm having a tough time seeing this as a time share when both are healthy. Before the injury Walker had double digit carries in 7 of 9 games. Charb had double digit carries in ZERO of those games. That's not a time share. I can possibly, maybe, if I squint hard enough, see a path where the team recognizes Walker struggles staying healthy and they make it more even. That just hasn't been the case so far. I respect people opinions, and recognize football changes quickly. Having said that, currently, I stand by Charbs is a handcuff and irrelevant when Walker is healthy. Imo

 

[FarFromHome]

For sake of conversation, I own zero shares of either RB.

 

[TampaMike19]

Think Seattle’s offense is dogshit these days. Geno is nothing close to last year and Metcalf is converting like 50% of targets. James Conner is right for a comp and I think that’s awesome outlook for the 1.6 dynasty pick

 

[The Finist]

People actually thought this guy could produce behind that OL? Sheesh. He is a mudder behind a bad OL. No room to run. If Walker finds the smallest crease he can take it all the way. Same play thats like a 10 yard gain for charbs.
Amazing how people can't see the forest for the trees here

Too lazy to look, but did you make this declaration BEFORE the game?

No I made it before the season.

 

[The Finist]

Love the opinions but I'm having a tough time seeing this as a time share when both are healthy. Before the injury Walker had double digit carries in 7 of 9 games. Charb had double digit carries in ZERO of those games. That's not a time share. I can possibly, maybe, if I squint hard enough, see a path where the team recognizes Walker struggles staying healthy and they make it more even. That just hasn't been the case so far. I respect people opinions, and recognize football changes quickly. Having said that, currently, I stand by Charbs is a handcuff and irrelevant when Walker is healthy. Imo

Good unbiased take. And correct. That's what we all saw.

 

[The Finist]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

Before last week when walker got hurt early, it was pretty evident walker was the man

“the man” sure. But in a committee. Charbonnet’s snap count has been on the rise for the last month.

And at this point Walker’s abdomen/groin issues seem a bit chronic.

Regardless, Charbonnet was not sitting on the bench as a clear backup, as was asserted by some.

Again, not a hill I need to die on. Just an observation.

Never a committee. Charbs is your standard COP rb for sea with both healthy. Unless you count 75-25ish touches a committee then sure. You can be right.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

Before last week when walker got hurt early, it was pretty evident walker was the man

“the man” sure. But in a committee. Charbonnet’s snap count has been on the rise for the last month.

And at this point Walker’s abdomen/groin issues seem a bit chronic.

Regardless, Charbonnet was not sitting on the bench as a clear backup, as was asserted by some.

Again, not a hill I need to die on. Just an observation.

Never a committee. Charbs is your standard COP rb for sea with both healthy. Unless you count 75-25ish touches a committee then sure. You can be right.

The snap share is 55/43%, champ.

Why make up numbers when they’re right there?

 

[kyoun1e]

People actually thought this guy could produce behind that OL? Sheesh. He is a mudder behind a bad OL. No room to run. If Walker finds the smallest crease he can take it all the way. Same play thats like a 10 yard gain for charbs.
Amazing how people can't see the forest for the trees here

Too lazy to look, but did you make this declaration BEFORE the game?

No I made it before the season.

Show the world the post and your brilliance then.

 

[joey]

Lots of passion in this thread. This is fairytale football folks. Turn it down a notch.

 

[Ray_T]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

However anyone wants to slice and dice it, that is a committee.

In the preseason, there were those in this topic stating that charbs would spend entire games on the bench as a pure backup.

Clearly, that is not the case.

As for the San Francisco game, I was impressed by Charbonnet’s power and receiving ability. But as you implied, that’s certainly not the best game to evaluate a running back… Especially when they got way down, and their offensive game plan fell apart.

 

[FarFromHome]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

I don't get points for snap share or total snaps. I hold actual touches in much higher regard then snaps. The touches paint a much different picture. Before the Rams injury game it was Walker 161 touches and Charbs 51. 3 to 1. We both may define committee differently, I accept that, I just don't define that touch split a a committee.

Appreciate the discussion.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

However anyone wants to slice and dice it, that is a committee.

That is not a committee. A committee is when two rbs split touches. Carries really. That's what it always has been. Don't try to make snap share a thing. We don't need more complications with fantasy rbs. Let's just be happy we've got a guy in Walker that dominates the touches. Charbs looks like he has potential but I don't see Carroll ever going to a committee. A real rbbc, not this fake one you're hyping.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

However anyone wants to slice and dice it, that is a committee.

That is not a committee. A committee is when two rbs split touches. Carries really. That's what it always has been. Don't try to make snap share a thing. We don't need more complications with fantasy rbs. Let's just be happy we've got a guy in Walker that dominates the touches. Charbs looks like he has potential but I don't see Carroll ever going to a committee. A real rbbc, not this fake one you're hyping.

Sorry, just so that I can be crystal clear on your rules, is it carries or touches that matters?

 

[menobrown]

It's a RBBC.

Whatever happened earlier in the season is not relevant. The last 3 games they were both healthy is all that matters. It's not about what was, it's what is and what will be.

Week 8:

Charb: 5 rushes, 2 targets
Walker: 8 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap count 59% to 41%, Walker win touch(target) battle 10 to 7.

Week 9:

Charb: 4 rushes, 1 target
Walker: 9 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap counts 55% to 49%, Walker wins touch battle 11 to 5.

Week 10:

Charb: 6 rushes, 5 targets
Walker: 19 rushes, 2 targets

Charb wins snap count 52% to 48%, Walker wins touch battle 21 to 11.

Totality of all 3 games has Charbs outsnapping him each game and Walker winning touch batttle 42 to 23.

To me, even I ignore the coach saying he wants to give Charbs the ball more then Walker in some games, that's a RBBC. Walkers the primary runner and rushing attempts are going to generally exceed RB passing game targets in this offense. It all seems overly simplistic to me to think it needs to be a near even split in touches to be considered a RBBC. I have never understood or felt a RBBC meant something close to dead even touches. It means one RB is not a bell cow because one or more RBs' are putting a massive dent in their usage. This is NOT a pro-Charbs post.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

However anyone wants to slice and dice it, that is a committee.

That is not a committee. A committee is when two rbs split touches. Carries really. That's what it always has been. Don't try to make snap share a thing. We don't need more complications with fantasy rbs. Let's just be happy we've got a guy in Walker that dominates the touches. Charbs looks like he has potential but I don't see Carroll ever going to a committee. A real rbbc, not this fake one you're hyping.

Sorry, just so that I can be crystal clear on your rules, is it carries or touches that matters?

Not my rules. Common fantasy football stuff here.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

It's a RBBC.

Whatever happened earlier in the season is not relevant. The last 3 games they were both healthy is all that matters. It's not about what was, it's what is and what will be.

Week 8:

Charb: 5 rushes, 2 targets
Walker: 8 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap count 59% to 41%, Walker win touch(target) battle 10 to 7.

Week 9:

Charb: 4 rushes, 1 target
Walker: 9 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap counts 55% to 49%, Walker wins touch battle 11 to 5.

Week 10:

Charb: 6 rushes, 5 targets
Walker: 19 rushes, 2 targets

Charb wins snap count 52% to 48%, Walker wins touch battle 21 to 11.

Totality of all 3 games has Charbs outsnapping him each game and Walker winning touch batttle 42 to 23.

To me, even I ignore the coach saying he wants to give Charbs the ball more then Walker in some games, that's a RBBC. Walkers the primary runner and rushing attempts are going to generally exceed RB passing game targets in this offense. It all seems overly simplistic to me to think it needs to be a near even split in touches to be considered a RBBC. I have never understood or felt a RBBC meant something close to dead even touches. It means one RB is not a bell cow because one or more RBs' are putting a massive dent in their usage. This is NOT a pro-Charbs post.

42-23 is NOT a committee. Especially when two of them were outliers to the rest of the season. The Browns game Walker got hurt in the 4th and missed time and the Ravens game was over before halftime.

 

[menobrown]

It's a RBBC.

Whatever happened earlier in the season is not relevant. The last 3 games they were both healthy is all that matters. It's not about what was, it's what is and what will be.

Week 8:

Charb: 5 rushes, 2 targets
Walker: 8 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap count 59% to 41%, Walker win touch(target) battle 10 to 7.

Week 9:

Charb: 4 rushes, 1 target
Walker: 9 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap counts 55% to 49%, Walker wins touch battle 11 to 5.

Week 10:

Charb: 6 rushes, 5 targets
Walker: 19 rushes, 2 targets

Charb wins snap count 52% to 48%, Walker wins touch battle 21 to 11.

Totality of all 3 games has Charbs outsnapping him each game and Walker winning touch batttle 42 to 23.

To me, even I ignore the coach saying he wants to give Charbs the ball more then Walker in some games, that's a RBBC. Walkers the primary runner and rushing attempts are going to generally exceed RB passing game targets in this offense. It all seems overly simplistic to me to think it needs to be a near even split in touches to be considered a RBBC. I have never understood or felt a RBBC meant something close to dead even touches. It means one RB is not a bell cow because one or more RBs' are putting a massive dent in their usage. This is NOT a pro-Charbs post.

42-23 is NOT a committee. Especially when two of them were outliers to the rest of the season. The Browns game Walker got hurt in the 4th and missed time and the Ravens game was over before halftime.

I see nuance is not for everyone.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

However anyone wants to slice and dice it, that is a committee.

That is not a committee. A committee is when two rbs split touches. Carries really. That's what it always has been. Don't try to make snap share a thing. We don't need more complications with fantasy rbs. Let's just be happy we've got a guy in Walker that dominates the touches. Charbs looks like he has potential but I don't see Carroll ever going to a committee. A real rbbc, not this fake one you're hyping.

In the preseason it was said that Charbs would be on the bench.

Snap count is highly relevant.

respectfully, trying to make it about touches is moving the goal posts. Charbonnet is absolutely limiting Walker’s ceiling, and absolutely in a RBBC.

Charbonnet is most certainly not a pure backup, sitting on the bench. Those assertions were fanciful, and wrong.

 

[Weebs210]

It's a RBBC.

Whatever happened earlier in the season is not relevant. The last 3 games they were both healthy is all that matters. It's not about what was, it's what is and what will be.

Week 8:

Charb: 5 rushes, 2 targets
Walker: 8 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap count 59% to 41%, Walker win touch(target) battle 10 to 7.

Week 9:

Charb: 4 rushes, 1 target
Walker: 9 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap counts 55% to 49%, Walker wins touch battle 11 to 5.

Week 10:

Charb: 6 rushes, 5 targets
Walker: 19 rushes, 2 targets

Charb wins snap count 52% to 48%, Walker wins touch battle 21 to 11.

Totality of all 3 games has Charbs outsnapping him each game and Walker winning touch batttle 42 to 23.

To me, even I ignore the coach saying he wants to give Charbs the ball more then Walker in some games, that's a RBBC. Walkers the primary runner and rushing attempts are going to generally exceed RB passing game targets in this offense. It all seems overly simplistic to me to think it needs to be a near even split in touches to be considered a RBBC. I have never understood or felt a RBBC meant something close to dead even touches. It means one RB is not a bell cow because one or more RBs' are putting a massive dent in their usage. This is NOT a pro-Charbs post.

42-23 is NOT a committee. Especially when two of them were outliers to the rest of the season. The Browns game Walker got hurt in the 4th and missed time and the Ravens game was over before halftime.

I see nuance is not for everyone.

It's just walker owners clutching the past and closing their eyes screaming about bellcow or something

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's a RBBC.

Whatever happened earlier in the season is not relevant. The last 3 games they were both healthy is all that matters. It's not about what was, it's what is and what will be.

Week 8:

Charb: 5 rushes, 2 targets
Walker: 8 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap count 59% to 41%, Walker win touch(target) battle 10 to 7.

Week 9:

Charb: 4 rushes, 1 target
Walker: 9 rushes, 2 targets

Charbs leads snap counts 55% to 49%, Walker wins touch battle 11 to 5.

Week 10:

Charb: 6 rushes, 5 targets
Walker: 19 rushes, 2 targets

Charb wins snap count 52% to 48%, Walker wins touch battle 21 to 11.

Totality of all 3 games has Charbs outsnapping him each game and Walker winning touch batttle 42 to 23.

To me, even I ignore the coach saying he wants to give Charbs the ball more then Walker in some games, that's a RBBC. Walkers the primary runner and rushing attempts are going to generally exceed RB passing game targets in this offense. It all seems overly simplistic to me to think it needs to be a near even split in touches to be considered a RBBC. I have never understood or felt a RBBC meant something close to dead even touches. It means one RB is not a bell cow because one or more RBs' are putting a massive dent in their usage. This is NOT a pro-Charbs post.

100%

Well stated. The Walker truthers will never back down.

I have 1 share of charbs in redraft where I picked him up 2 weeks ago, so I’m zero inverted in either back.

It’s clearly a RBBC.

 

[Ray_T]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

I don't get points for snap share or total snaps. I hold actual touches in much higher regard then snaps. The touches paint a much different picture. Before the Rams injury game it was Walker 161 touches and Charbs 51. 3 to 1. We both may define committee differently, I accept that, I just don't define that touch split a a committee.

Appreciate the discussion.

I have to agree. Touches more important than snap count.
If they bring in a certain RB for 15% of the snaps because hes a good blocker, that does not affect your fantasy team. Your RB wasnt likely to get the ball on those plays anyhow.

 

[Weebs210]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

I don't get points for snap share or total snaps. I hold actual touches in much higher regard then snaps. The touches paint a much different picture. Before the Rams injury game it was Walker 161 touches and Charbs 51. 3 to 1. We both may define committee differently, I accept that, I just don't define that touch split a a committee.

Appreciate the discussion.

I have to agree. Touches more important than snap count.
If they bring in a certain RB for 15% of the snaps because hes a good blocker, that does not affect your fantasy team. Your RB wasnt likely to get the ball on those plays anyhow.

But it's 50% of the time not 15 lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

I don't get points for snap share or total snaps. I hold actual touches in much higher regard then snaps. The touches paint a much different picture. Before the Rams injury game it was Walker 161 touches and Charbs 51. 3 to 1. We both may define committee differently, I accept that, I just don't define that touch split a a committee.

Appreciate the discussion.

I have to agree. Touches more important than snap count.
If they bring in a certain RB for 15% of the snaps because hes a good blocker, that does not affect your fantasy team. Your RB wasnt likely to get the ball on those plays anyhow.

More important for FF, sure.

But that doesn’t mean it’s not a RBBC. And it doesn’t mean Charbonnet is a pure handcuff, who isn’t on the field.

Sometimes those touches will mean a check-down to the RB who’s on the field or not. So being on the field is the relevant, meaningful stat that can be a predictor of usage.

So Charbonnet being on on the field for 43% of the snaps means there’s potential for touches.

Dismissing snap share in favor of touches is a selective argument that serves only to move the goal posts for those who said it wouldn’t be a committee and that Charbonnet wouldn’t eat into Walkers touches.

It is, and he Is.

I’ve said it time and again - I’m no Walker hater. I think he’s talented. I also think he has holes in his game, which is why they drafted Charbonnet with a 2nd round pick.

I love seeing Walker run - his ability to break one to the house is fantastic. Charbonnet can’t do that on his best day.

But Charbonnet can pick up the short yardage conversion at a higher clip than Walker, and is a more fluid receiver than Walker.

It’s why they’re in a committee.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

When Walker is back is he a starter in most 12 team leagues? Is Charbs? I'd like to hear their owners chime in.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

When Walker is back is he a starter in most 12 team leagues? Is Charbs? I'd like to hear their owners chime in.

It’s irrelevant.

Yes, Walker is a FF starter.
No, I probably wouldn’t start Charbonnet when both are healthy, save for a “what the heck” flex on a bad BYE week.

But

Is Walker a plug and play feature back RB1? Or will Charbs presence cap his ceiling enough that he’s more a RB2 for FF purposes?

I, and Charbs usage, would suggest that the latter is true.

 

[Weebs210]

When Walker is back is he a starter in most 12 team leagues? Is Charbs? I'd like to hear their owners chime in.

If he comes back*

 

[FarFromHome]

When Walker is back is he a starter in most 12 team leagues? Is Charbs? I'd like to hear their owners chime in.

It’s irrelevant.

Yes, Walker is a FF starter.
No, I probably wouldn’t start Charbonnet when both are healthy, save for a “what the heck” flex on a bad BYE week.

But

Is Walker a plug and play feature back RB1? Or will Charbs presence cap his ceiling enough that he’s more a RB2 for FF purposes?

I, and Charbs usage, would suggest that the latter is true.

Agreed.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

When Walker is back is he a starter in most 12 team leagues? Is Charbs? I'd like to hear their owners chime in.

If he comes back*

Yeah, the groin/abdomen issues keep cropping up.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn he needs surgery in the off-season or sooner if the Seahawks fall too far back.

But that’s pure speculation on my part.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

However anyone wants to slice and dice it, that is a committee.

That is not a committee. A committee is when two rbs split touches. Carries really. That's what it always has been. Don't try to make snap share a thing. We don't need more complications with fantasy rbs. Let's just be happy we've got a guy in Walker that dominates the touches. Charbs looks like he has potential but I don't see Carroll ever going to a committee. A real rbbc, not this fake one you're hyping.

Sorry, just so that I can be crystal clear on your rules, is it carries or touches that matters?

Not my rules. Common fantasy football stuff here.

Ok, which is it? Carries or touches?

 

[menobrown]

When Walker is back is he a starter in most 12 team leagues? Is Charbs? I'd like to hear their owners chime in.

It’s irrelevant.

Yes, Walker is a FF starter.
No, I probably wouldn’t start Charbonnet when both are healthy, save for a “what the heck” flex on a bad BYE week.

But

Is Walker a plug and play feature back RB1? Or will Charbs presence cap his ceiling enough that he’s more a RB2 for FF purposes?

I, and Charbs usage, would suggest that the latter is true.

I said this earlier in the thread but I started benching Walker in various leagues his last game. Went 2 for 4, was even going to confidently start Chandler over him if Mattison was not active.

These are 12 team leagues we can start up to 4 RB's.

I don't even consdier him a locked and loaded RB2 in PPR leagues. He's more right on the end of the RB2/top of the RB3 fringe type status for me.

Charbs is no one anyone would want in a lineup when both are healthy.

So really I think I started this whole RBBC conversation when I just threw out a line based on their usage and Carrolls comments this is what it was. But I think we all got to carried away in that definition and are losing sight of what really matters. Walker's value is heavily dinged cue to Charbs increased use but it's not enough use for Charbs to make him more viable as anything other then a desperation type play.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Walker's value is heavily dinged cue to Charbs increased use but it's not enough use for Charbs to make him more viable as anything other then a desperation type play.

Which is pretty much what most of us were was saying in the preseason when predicting what would come of this backfield after Charbonnet was drafted.

Seems we’ve come full circle.

 

[FarFromHome]

Walker's value is heavily dinged cue to Charbs increased use but it's not enough use for Charbs to make him more viable as anything other then a desperation type play.

Which is pretty much what most of us were was saying in the preseason when predicting what would come of this backfield after Charbonnet was drafted.

Seems we’ve come full circle.

Kinda. It took an injury to come full circle. This thread was also very quiet from weeks 1 through 10. I didn't read any snap count committee conversation then. I just can't ignore walkers doubles digit fantasy points in 6 of 9 games while Charb had 0 double digits games in those 9. The cool, funny, and sometimes silly things about stats is we can use em to frame much different conclusions on the same topic. In the end, football is gonna football. Charbs could turn into a Hall of Fame RB and I will gladly fall on my sword. Ha ha

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Walker's value is heavily dinged cue to Charbs increased use but it's not enough use for Charbs to make him more viable as anything other then a desperation type play.

Which is pretty much what most of us were was saying in the preseason when predicting what would come of this backfield after Charbonnet was drafted.

Seems we’ve come full circle.

Kinda. It took an injury to come full circle. This thread was also very quiet from weeks 1 through 10. I didn't read any snap count committee conversation then. I just can't ignore walkers doubles digit fantasy points in 6 of 9 games while Charb had 0 double digits games in those 9. The cool, funny, and sometimes silly things about stats is we can use em to frame much different conclusions on the same topic. In the end, football is gonna football. Charbs could turn into a Hall of Fame RB and I will gladly fall on my sword. Ha ha

He’s a rookie.

Like a lot of rookies, he was weaned into a role. I wasn’t surprised to see low usage out of the gate.

 

[menobrown]

Walker's value is heavily dinged cue to Charbs increased use but it's not enough use for Charbs to make him more viable as anything other then a desperation type play.

Which is pretty much what most of us were was saying in the preseason when predicting what would come of this backfield after Charbonnet was drafted.

Seems we’ve come full circle.

Kinda. It took an injury to come full circle. This thread was also very quiet from weeks 1 through 10. I didn't read any snap count committee conversation then. I just can't ignore walkers doubles digit fantasy points in 6 of 9 games while Charb had 0 double digits games in those 9. The cool, funny, and sometimes silly things about stats is we can use em to frame much different conclusions on the same topic. In the end, football is gonna football. Charbs could turn into a Hall of Fame RB and I will gladly fall on my sword. Ha ha

It started in week 8. If anything the earlier injury to Charbonnet was only thing that prevented this from happening sooner.

Rest of your post just sounds like you refuse to acknowledge things change.

 

[FarFromHome]

Walker's value is heavily dinged cue to Charbs increased use but it's not enough use for Charbs to make him more viable as anything other then a desperation type play.

Which is pretty much what most of us were was saying in the preseason when predicting what would come of this backfield after Charbonnet was drafted.

Seems we’ve come full circle.

Kinda. It took an injury to come full circle. This thread was also very quiet from weeks 1 through 10. I didn't read any snap count committee conversation then. I just can't ignore walkers doubles digit fantasy points in 6 of 9 games while Charb had 0 double digits games in those 9. The cool, funny, and sometimes silly things about stats is we can use em to frame much different conclusions on the same topic. In the end, football is gonna football. Charbs could turn into a Hall of Fame RB and I will gladly fall on my sword. Ha ha

It started in week 8. If anything the earlier injury to Charbonnet was only thing that prevented this from happening sooner.

Objection your honor. Speculation. "Refuse to acknowledge things change." If you read my posts I have never went at someone or never downgraded anyone's opinions. I'd appreciate if u did the same. As much as anyone on these boards i have changed my stance on things as a result from solid discussion. We can have a discussion about things we disagree on without condescending tone. Football is always gonna football. Those that think they know everything are usually proven wrong.

 

[menobrown]

Walker's value is heavily dinged cue to Charbs increased use but it's not enough use for Charbs to make him more viable as anything other then a desperation type play.

Which is pretty much what most of us were was saying in the preseason when predicting what would come of this backfield after Charbonnet was drafted.

Seems we’ve come full circle.

Kinda. It took an injury to come full circle. This thread was also very quiet from weeks 1 through 10. I didn't read any snap count committee conversation then. I just can't ignore walkers doubles digit fantasy points in 6 of 9 games while Charb had 0 double digits games in those 9. The cool, funny, and sometimes silly things about stats is we can use em to frame much different conclusions on the same topic. In the end, football is gonna football. Charbs could turn into a Hall of Fame RB and I will gladly fall on my sword. Ha ha

It started in week 8. If anything the earlier injury to Charbonnet was only thing that prevented this from happening sooner.

Objection your honor. Speculation. "Refuse to acknowledge things change." If you read my posts I have never went at someone or never downgraded anyone's opinions. I'd appreciate if u did the same. As much as anyone on these boards i have changed my stance on things as a result from solid discussion. We can have a discussion about things we disagree on without condescending tone. Football is always gonna football. Those that think they know everything are usually proven wrong.

Sorry you took offense, was not personal, no idea how else to took what you are saying though other then what I said.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If anything the earlier injury to Charbonnet was only thing that prevented this from happening sooner.

I’d actually forgotten that Charbs was hurt to start the year.

Excellent point.

 

[FarFromHome]

Seahawks offensive touchdowns since Walker went down? That would be zero.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Seahawks offensive touchdowns since Walker went down? That would be zero.

Correlation ≠ causation

 

[The Finist]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

Before last week when walker got hurt early, it was pretty evident walker was the man

“the man” sure. But in a committee. Charbonnet’s snap count has been on the rise for the last month.

And at this point Walker’s abdomen/groin issues seem a bit chronic.

Regardless, Charbonnet was not sitting on the bench as a clear backup, as was asserted by some.

Again, not a hill I need to die on. Just an observation.

Never a committee. Charbs is your standard COP rb for sea with both healthy. Unless you count 75-25ish touches a committee then sure. You can be right.

The snap share is 55/43%, champ.

Why make up numbers when they’re right there?

So it's snap share because touches were 75-25ish pre walker injury? Got it, Champ.

 

[The Finist]

And to think it was me who was asked to admit I was wrong. lol.

That’s probably because you were. It’s a committee when both are healthy.

The claim was that Charbs was a pure backup. That was a fantasy. They didn’t spend a high pick on Charbs to not use him. That’s been evident for weeks.

I agree in the sense that most times if you spend a first on a player, that player gets to play. That is usually the way that it works.

But Payne is right. Charbonnet hasnt lit the world on fire. he stepped into the LA game after the injury and didnt look great.
then he started the following game against San Fran and didnt do much.

granted San Fran is a good team.

but at this point hes not shown hes ready to start yet.

thats not to say he will never be that guy. hes young still and can improve with pro level coaching.

The snap share for the year is 55/43 Walker/charbs.

However anyone wants to slice and dice it, that is a committee.

That is not a committee. A committee is when two rbs split touches. Carries really. That's what it always has been. Don't try to make snap share a thing. We don't need more complications with fantasy rbs. Let's just be happy we've got a guy in Walker that dominates the touches. Charbs looks like he has potential but I don't see Carroll ever going to a committee. A real rbbc, not this fake one you're hyping.

Sorry, just so that I can be crystal clear on your rules, is it carries or touches that matters?

Not my rules. Common fantasy football stuff here.

Ok, which is it? Carries or touches?

Points per pass block leagues this one looks like rbbc

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Never thought Derrick Henry would be in a full blown RBBC this year.

 

[The Finist]

People actually thought this guy could produce behind that OL? Sheesh. He is a mudder behind a bad OL. No room to run. If Walker finds the smallest crease he can take it all the way. Same play thats like a 10 yard gain for charbs.
Amazing how people can't see the forest for the trees here

Too lazy to look, but did you make this declaration BEFORE the game?

No I made it before the season.

Show the world the post and your brilliance then.

Look through the Walker or Charbs threads. It's in there. There is no need to get emotional bud.

 

[kyoun1e]

People actually thought this guy could produce behind that OL? Sheesh. He is a mudder behind a bad OL. No room to run. If Walker finds the smallest crease he can take it all the way. Same play thats like a 10 yard gain for charbs.
Amazing how people can't see the forest for the trees here

Too lazy to look, but did you make this declaration BEFORE the game?

No I made it before the season.

Show the world the post and your brilliance then.

Look through the Walker or Charbs threads. It's in there. There is no need to get emotional bud.

There was no emotion in my post.

Repost your post.

It's that simple.

 

[TampaMike19]

Walker is more susceptible to being game flowed and scripted out of the game, making charbs interesting in games like the 49ers where it’s a strong opposing offense. Problem is the 49ers also have a good defense lol. Won’t complain about 10 ppr points but the only leagues I started him were PPR. Wasn’t great start outside of that.

Walker is guaranteed to get High value touches but those fluctuate. His role isn’t going away because this is what Walker is good at. Chubb Hunt on a worse team