The Bills' official website confirms the team wants third-round RB Zack Moss to "play a role similar to Frank Gore's."
The Bills want Moss to be a powerful change-of-pace complement to Devin Singletary. Like Gore, Moss can also catch passes, so his presence on the field won't be a "tell" the way it is with some power backs. It is unclear if the Bills view Singletary as a true every-down talent. Especially once bye weeks arrive, Moss could provide some standalone re-draft value as an RB4.
SOURCE: buffalobills.com
Jul 4, 2020, 11:07 AM ET
Where you able to land your guy?have the 6 pick in my ppr dynasty league and this guy is my target.
ha, nah i sold the pick for amari cooper pre-draftWhere you able to land your guy?
Good value to get Cooper. Yes, I was just teasing a bit. Moss went undrafted in our two round Dyno and I was just going back trying to get some info on him. How do you feel about his outlook now?ha, nah i sold the pick for amari cooper pre-draft
but yes, he wouldve been there by a country mile.
not a spot anyone wanted him to land in. butchered his value. buuuuutcheredGood value to get Cooper. Yes, I was just teasing a bit. Moss went undrafted in our two round Dyno and I was just going back trying to get some info on him. How do you feel about his outlook now?
You must be higher on Singletary than myself. I don’t see it as a terrible spot. Buffalo had the 7th highest percentage of run plays last year and I do not see that changing anytime soon with Allen at the helm. I think there is plenty of opportunity for Moss to get quality touches in that offense.not a spot anyone wanted him to land in. butchered his value. buuuuutchered
You must be higher on Singletary than myself. I don’t see it as a terrible spot. Buffalo had the 7th highest percentage of run plays last year and I do not see that changing anytime soon with Allen at the helm. I think there is plenty of opportunity for Moss to get quality touches in that offense.
Singletary is a fine player--nothing morenot a spot anyone wanted him to land in. butchered his value. buuuuutchered
I just aquired Moss in my dynasty league for what I feel like was pretty cheap, and should be better in the long term so I agree that Moss' value is probably low right now.Singletary is a fine player--nothing more
He is small and slow yet elusive enough to make up for it
Moss is bigger and stronger, yet also slow. I don't think he has quite the burst Singletary does, but does have the elusiveness. He also grades out analytically as a better receiver than Singletary did in college
Provided the Bills don't sign someone else:
I see this as a 1-1 punch in one of the better offenses in the league with plenty of rushing volume and a commitment to running the ball
Singletary is fairly priced but Moss is really underpriced right now IMO. Both have their ceilings limited though unless the other gets hurt
I think by mid way through the year it is a 50-50 split--both high end FLEX plays possibly low RB2s with high RB2/low RB1 outlooks if the other goes down
I don't see 50/50 here. Teams don't take electric players off the field. Singletary was nothing short of electric 2nd half of last year. They rode him to the playoffs frankly.Singletary is a fine player--nothing more
He is small and slow yet elusive enough to make up for it
Moss is bigger and stronger, yet also slow. I don't think he has quite the burst Singletary does, but does have the elusiveness. He also grades out analytically as a better receiver than Singletary did in college
Provided the Bills don't sign someone else:
I see this as a 1-1 punch in one of the better offenses in the league with plenty of rushing volume and a commitment to running the ball
Singletary is fairly priced but Moss is really underpriced right now IMO. Both have their ceilings limited though unless the other gets hurt
I think by mid way through the year it is a 50-50 split--both high end FLEX plays possibly low RB2s with high RB2/low RB1 outlooks if the other goes down
The Bills have said numerous times that he is going to have the Frank Gore role from last year which was, if I recall, 166 carries (although Singletary was hurt for a bit) and lots of goal line carries that Gore was not able to do anything with. I own Moss, not Singletary. I don't think Moss is just a backup. But I do think upside can be there in the form of those goal line carries if he can covert like Gore couldn't.I don't see 50/50 here. Teams don't take electric players off the field. Singletary was nothing short of electric 2nd half of last year. They rode him to the playoffs frankly.
I think where people might be misreading this situation is the draft capital the Bill's spent on Moss. They like Moss and he was probably the best player on their board in a position of need. The need isn't to replace Singletary though. The need is to back him up because they had nothing there really.
Define "nothing short of electric".I don't see 50/50 here. Teams don't take electric players off the field. Singletary was nothing short of electric 2nd half of last year. They rode him to the playoffs frankly.
I think where people might be misreading this situation is the draft capital the Bill's spent on Moss. They like Moss and he was probably the best player on their board in a position of need. The need isn't to replace Singletary though. The need is to back him up because they had nothing there really.
Singletary also had zero rush and only 1 receiving TD weeks 10+.Singletary was getting 19 touches/game week 8 on. Gore was getting about 9/game during those games with 0 TD scored. Maybe Moss can score some but I would not be paying up for him in drafts. Happy to get him late 2nd round or so but more as a handcuff than anything else.
Yeah, that is interesting. Is Josh Allen the goalline back?Singletary also had zero rush and only 1 receiving TD weeks 10+.
I was going to mention the same thing. 70/30.......That's the Gore role.Singletary was getting 19 touches/game week 8 on. Gore was getting about 9/game during those games with 0 TD scored. Maybe Moss can score some but I would not be paying up for him in drafts. Happy to get him late 2nd round or so but more as a handcuff than anything else.
Appears to be, but I don't think Buffalo wants him to be. Hence, Moss.Yeah, that is interesting. Is Josh Allen the goalline back?
I see Buffalo as a very high volume rushing offense and don't see Singletary as anything close to a workhorse backI don't see 50/50 here. Teams don't take electric players off the field. Singletary was nothing short of electric 2nd half of last year. They rode him to the playoffs frankly.
I think where people might be misreading this situation is the draft capital the Bill's spent on Moss. They like Moss and he was probably the best player on their board in a position of need. The need isn't to replace Singletary though. The need is to back him up because they had nothing there really.
Just don't see a rookie RB, that imo isn't special, pushing a RB that showed he is special off the field. He can be better than Gore all he wants he has to be better than Singletary to push him off the field that much. It's really a long shot that Moss is that good. So I'm going to bet on Singletary and if Moss comes in and plays as good or better than Singletary I'll consider it like a game of poker where I made the right call but still lost the hand.I see Buffalo as a very high volume rushing offense and don't see Singletary as anything close to a workhorse back
And it's not just draft capital (which is equal to Singletary's)...
The Bills were connected to RBs all draft season
I don't think he is there to replace Singletary; I think he is there to join in a committee with him
I said 50/50 because I believe Moss is better than 80 year old Gore
PFF just pointed out... Devin Singletary (Bills) emerged as a reliable three-down back as a rookie and played at least 65% of the offense's snaps in every game in which he wasn't either injured or just returning from a layoff.Singletary was getting 19 touches/game week 8 on. Gore was getting about 9/game during those games with 0 TD scored. Maybe Moss can score some but I would not be paying up for him in drafts. Happy to get him late 2nd round or so but more as a handcuff than anything else.
If you consider them equal talents it is not hard to see a 50-50 split, considering Singletary does not have workhorse measurables, size or particularly high draft capital.Thinking about it more all Singletary has to do is continue to do what he's already done. The vision and instincts he's shown aren't going away. He does that or even has a small drop in efficiency and he's not coming off the field.
Moss has to have so many things go right to get any meaningful playing time this year and beyond.
He has to be better or at least as good as Singletary was last year. Either by Singletary regressing or Moss himself being a rare talent.
He has to come in and be an incredibly fast learner with no training camp....learning
The plays
Pass protection
Audibles
Moss has to get used to the 16 game NFL season and not hit a wall.
He has to adjust to the speed of the NFL game.
Singletary has already done all that and was incredibly successful for the last 8 games of the season doing it.
I don't know how anybody thinks Moss is a favorite here. I mean I guess if you think Singletary is a JAG and Moss is special then you could project a 50/50 split later in the season but no offense if you studied Singletary's play last year and think he's a JAG I have to question how you came to that conclusion.
In theory Moss should be better than a 35 year old Frank Gore though so those touches could become a little closer.Singletary was getting 19 touches/game week 8 on. Gore was getting about 9/game during those games with 0 TD scored. Maybe Moss can score some but I would not be paying up for him in drafts. Happy to get him late 2nd round or so but more as a handcuff than anything else.
I think you assess things starting from very extreme positions and stick on those margins instead of moving towards a more centered approachI don't know how anybody thinks Moss is a favorite here. I mean I guess if you think Singletary is a JAG and Moss is special then you could project a 50/50 split later in the season but no offense if you studied Singletary's play last year and think he's a JAG I have to question how you came to that conclusion.
He had 1105 total yards in 13 games played counting his 138 yard playoff game.@Milkman you should do infomercials.
How you make a guy with less than 1000 combined yards and 4 TDs sound like the second coming is amazing!
I like this but think he'll get more receptions than that. I anticipate him being the Bill's best option on offense and they want to get him the ball in space. So I see his target basement being 60ish with a much higher ceiling. I'd be shocked if he had less than 40 rec this season.I'm not a big guy Moss guy, but I certainly don't love Singletary either.
Singletary is a talented guy. He's on a team that loves to run. How do you not love the guy?
I don't see him being a HUGE volume guy. I think 225-240 rushes is reasonable. That's adding 75 to last year's total, and is 14-15 a game basically. I don't think Moss is a huge threat to take the job. I just think he caps the upside--as does Allen. They'll keep Singletary from being a 20 touch/game back. Which probably isnt' where Buffalo wants him anyways.
Assuming a small dip in efficiency--conservatively 225 carries for 1080 seems fine. But what about the TD's? Moss may snipe a couple even if he isn't the goal line back. Allen is always a threat to steal TD's. I worry that you're only looking at 5-6 TD's for Singletary.
Furthermore--Allen isn't exactly Phillip Rivers. I don't see the RB's getting a major uptick in the passing game. With Diggs in town, Allen has even more incentive to ignore the check down and look for the home run. I don't see Singletary taking a mega jump in the passing game. 200-250 yards on 25-30 catches? Maybe he finds his way into the endzone a time or two--but I don't think we're looking at more than 6-7 Total TD's. I don't think we're looking at a ton of receptions.
All of that said--what do we expect for Moss? Assuming Singletary takes some of Gore's touches--there's maybe 100-125 rushes for Moss. Maybe he gets in some goal line packages, but a lot of those TD's are going to be "stolen" by Allen. I guess if you're getting him in the double digit rounds--he has a clear path to touches and better upside should Singletary go down. Still, I've got Singletary in the low-mid 20's. I don't see Moss jumping way above that even if Singletary vanishes into thin air.
Dynasty wise--it's murky. I can see Singletary being a guy for the next 3-5 years. I can see Buffalo doing something completely different in a year or two.
This is sound logic, but I'm not following your general thought process. I remember you talking about Aaron Jones losing his job after the Packers showed how they felt about him by getting AJ Dillon. Wouldn't that also apply to the Bills taking Moss?Thinking about it more all Singletary has to do is continue to do what he's already done. The vision and instincts he's shown aren't going away. He does that or even has a small drop in efficiency and he's not coming off the field.
Moss has to have so many things go right to get any meaningful playing time this year and beyond.
He has to be better or at least as good as Singletary was last year. Either by Singletary regressing or Moss himself being a rare talent.
He has to come in and be an incredibly fast learner with no training camp....learning
The plays
Pass protection
Audibles
Moss has to get used to the 16 game NFL season and not hit a wall.
He has to adjust to the speed of the NFL game.
Singletary has already done all that and was incredibly successful for the last 8 games of the season doing it.
I don't know how anybody thinks Moss is a favorite here. I mean I guess if you think Singletary is a JAG and Moss is special then you could project a 50/50 split later in the season but no offense if you studied Singletary's play last year and think he's a JAG I have to question how you came to that conclusion.
A bit different situation though, as Jones is more proven than Singletary at this juncture.This is sound logic, but I'm not following your general thought process. I remember you talking about Aaron Jones losing his job after the Packers showed how they felt about him by getting AJ Dillon. Wouldn't that also apply to the Bills taking Moss?
Making milkman's reasoning more confounding.A bit different situation though, as Jones is more proven than Singletary at this juncture.
The bills have Singletary cheap for 3 more years. Jones is a free agent next year.This is sound logic, but I'm not following your general thought process. I remember you talking about Aaron Jones losing his job after the Packers showed how they felt about him by getting AJ Dillon. Wouldn't that also apply to the Bills taking Moss?
The difference for me is I like what I saw with Singletary and I'm not super impressed with Zach Moss. Aaron Jones doesn't impress me and I like AJ Dillion. Plus Aaron Jones is going to want a big contract next year. The Packers seem to be getting ready for life after Jones.cloppbeast said:This is sound logic, but I'm not following your general thought process. I remember you talking about Aaron Jones losing his job after the Packers showed how they felt about him by getting AJ Dillon. Wouldn't that also apply to the Bills taking Moss?
I take on a much more empirical approach. Your or my assessment of a situation has no bearing on the outcome. As much as I like Moss, I have to agree with your logic above about his fantasy prospects. Not great are the odds he's better or comparable to Singletary, who is proven pretty good and already established on the team. Even in the best case, Moss forces a timeshare.The difference for me is I like what I saw with Singletary and I'm not super impressed with Zach Moss. Aaron Jones doesn't impress me and I like AJ Dillion. Plus Aaron Jones is going to want a big contract next year. The Packers seem to be getting ready for life after Jones.
That's why I feel basically the opposite in both these situations. The play on the field will decide these situations in large part too. With Singletary exploding onto the scene this year imo.
https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1295873939936366592?s=21NFL Beat Writers @32BeatWriters
“(Zack) Moss took some rush attempts near the end of practice that were as close to live hitting as possible, lowering his shoulder and knocking back defenders. His combination of power and vision to get to the hole makes him very difficult to tackle.”
Bills RB Zack Moss has flashed in training camp as a physical runner who could add a missing element to the team's running game.
The Athletic reported on Moss looking as good as advertised, "lowering his shoulder and knocking back defenders" in practice. "If he can carry that into the season alongside Devin Singletary, the Bills have a young and dangerous one-two punch," beat writers Joe Buscaglia and Matthew Fairburn wrote. The presence of Moss, who's being drafted in the ninth round of 12-team leagues, could make it exceedingly difficult for Singletary to seize the every-down role in Buffalo.
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Aug 19, 2020, 11:24 AM ET
The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia believes "perhaps the impact Zack Moss can have this season has been undersold."
Moss has been the hype all star through the opening days of Bills camp open to the media, drawing praise for both his receiving work and power running. He was apparently excelling Thursday before Devin Singletary lost a fumble, and then really put on a show after Singletary was mothballed. The Bills never quite trusted Singletary as an every-down back last season, though he was drawing commanding workloads by the end of the season. The Bills have made it clear that their ideal backfield setup is a committee, and Moss is so far upholding his end of the bargain.
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SOURCE: The Athletic
Aug 20, 2020, 5:24 PM ET
The Bills' official website believes third-round rookie Zack Moss has "shown his ability as a pass-catching running back."
Moss reached 28 receptions two of his final three years at Utah. Moss has now drawn camp raves for both his hands and power running. The Athletic observed Wednesday that the Bills will have a "dangerous one-two punch" at running back if Moss' summer play carries over to the regular season. Moss' ADP is currently a highly-reasonable RB45. Devin Singletary is going to lead in touches, but Moss could make life complicated for his second-year pro teammate.
SOURCE: buffalobills.com
Aug 20, 2020, 4:39 PM ET
The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia believes Zack Moss is "going to be a factor on passing downs."
Per Buscaglia, Moss has passed the pass protection test and is also "showing the ability to make plays out of the backfield." The Bills' official website reported something similar last week, while Buscaglia has previously observed that Moss' potential role could be getting "undersold." These reports make it harder than ever to know what to do with Devin Singletary. Moss' ADP has crept up to RB41.
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SOURCE: The Athletic
Aug 25, 2020, 5:38 PM ET