http://paullevinson.blogspot.com/2014/06/rectify-21-indelible.htmlRectify returned for its second season the other night. If the first episode is any indication, it is continuing its presentation of one of the most philosophic, poetic, personally heartbreaking crime narratives ever to hit the small screen.
The story concerns Daniel Holden, convicted of murder when he was a teenager, sentenced to death, but recently released (at the beginning of the first season) on a technicality. He is likely innocent, but we don't yet quite know that with 100% certainly. His mother and sister believe in him - and no doubt the real murderer or murderers, if they are still alive - but few else do. And many want him dead.
He was beaten to within an inch of his life at the end of the first season, just seven days after his release. As he tells us, every one of those days was like a lifetime. And although part of the power of the series is how Daniel re-integrates into our new digital world, not yet emerged when he was convicted, the real power resides completely within Daniel and his thoughts.
He was put through sheer hell in prison. But his life outside of prison is only fleetingly better, as glimpses of love, affection, and friendship shine just barely through the clouds that ever surround him. Peace of mind is just not an option at this point. The best he can hope for is regaining enough of his mind to live some semblance of a normal life.
And his own inner demons are abetted by just about everyone other than his sister and mother and the woman he is beginning to care about. Only one lawman shows interest in getting the people who nearly beat Daniel to death. The rest would just as soon see him to dead - to either save face for the wrong prosecution, or because they believe he is a murderer.
In our real world, in which capital punishment in the United States is raising all sorts of justified concerns, Rectify presents a story about what it's like for a sensitive human being to go through most of the process that will stay with you forever.
Mothers gain and lose their sons.
We see two very different situations for two mothers: Janet and Judy. At his bedside, Daniel’s mother, Janet, has moved beyond her initial doubts upon his release from prison. Her love for her son and belief in him are strong. She stays by his side, a fierce, protective mother. Amantha—who has fought for and believed in his innocence all these years—sees no hope for a recovery and is stunned when Daniel comes out of the coma.
We see the murder victim Hannah’s mother, Judy—who lost her daughter to the murder for which Daniel was (wrongly, imo) convicted—alone watching television when her son, Bobby, comes home drenched from a downpour after beating Daniel. The water cascades off of his clothing onto the sofa, but he pays it no mind. Except for the HD TV, it appears as though nothing in Judy’s home has changed since Hannah was murdered 20 years earlier. Her life was permanently altered and diminished by the loss. Soon, her loss will be greater.
In season one we saw Daniel baptized and we saw Trey wade into the river to dispose of the body of the man who killed himself—apparently over guilt at the truth of the circumstances surrounding the death of Hannah. When Hannah’s brother, Bobby, returns home soaked by rain in the aftermath of the brutal attack on Daniel, his mother shows her love and fear, echoing Janet’s fraught state of mind. Judy knows Bobby has done wrong, but his deeds are not discussed.
Teddy is concerned about money, reputation and the possibility of diaper duty for Janet. Concern for Daniel is nonexistent. This was plainly shown last week when Amantha caught Teddy chocking the little “tire man” she had left to watch over Daniel.
Tawney remarks to Teddy, “You don’t pray with me anymore.” She is genuine, while Teddy faked a spirituality he does not possess in order to successfully court her. Teddy is not a villain, yet he is hateful, judgmental and self-serving. A shallow man concerned only with his own gratification, he is in a prison of his own design, even as Daniel deals with the violent ramifications of his release from confinement. Teddy can’t forgive Tawney for feeling something for Daniel. In his limited view, her feelings could only be sexual and wrong, an affront to his manhood and their marriage. Yet her feelings are clearly far more complex than mere sexual attraction, her reaction to being in Daniel’s presence is complex in ways she herself does not fully comprehend. This was deftly hinted at during her visit with friends early in episode two.
Sleeping giants wake up. “We’re waking up Daniel today.” Daniel awakes and is responsive; there are no signs of permanent damage. A joyous moment. Janet is relieved and overwhelmed. Her happiness is in stark contrast to Judy, who we see watching as her son is cuffed and taken away by the police for his role in the brutal beating of Daniel. More loss and sorrow for this mother.
Mr. Ray McKinnon has created a very powerful drama, a morality tale of a very high order. I was very impressed with season one. Season two is off to a powerful start. I am riveted and moved by the story he is telling.
Where is this from? An opinion or is this from the creators of the show? I assumed Teddy's tear after Tawney's comment was a tear of genuine sadness that he's not what he used to be in terms of his relationship with her and with God. He is drifting away from both of them. I see Teddy as more someone who is losing his way rather than someone who faked his faith up to this point.spoilers through ep 2.2
Teddy is concerned about money, reputation and the possibility of diaper duty for Janet. Concern for Daniel is nonexistent. This was plainly shown last week when Amantha caught Teddy chocking the little “tire man” she had left to watch over Daniel.
Tawney remarks to Teddy, “You don’t pray with me anymore.” She is genuine, while Teddy faked a spirituality he does not possess in order to successfully court her. Teddy is not a villain, yet he is hateful, judgmental and self-serving. A shallow man concerned only with his own gratification, he is in a prison of his own design, even as Daniel deals with the violent ramifications of his release from confinement. Teddy can’t forgive Tawney for feeling something for Daniel. In his limited view, her feelings could only be sexual and wrong, an affront to his manhood and their marriage. Yet her feelings are clearly far more complex than mere sexual attraction, her reaction to being in Daniel’s presence is complex in ways she herself does not fully comprehend. This was deftly hinted at during her visit with friends early in episode two.
even though I felt that Daniel would not finger Bobby Deen, it still felt like a kick in the balls....I can understand it, but man...wowRectify 2.3: Daniel's Motives
Why? Why did Daniel lie to Sheriff Daggett inRectify 2.3 and say he didn't recognize Bobby Dean as one of the people who nearly bear him to death, when we and Daniel know that Bobby Dean did it? Daggett is understandably nonplussed, Amantha is understandably livid, but let's look at this from Daniel's point of view and see if we can understand why he gave Bobby Dean a get-out-of-jail free card.
Daniel to say the least has seen the horror of prison. Indeed, the episodes this year, especially the first, have gone out of their way to show how soul-crushing Daniel's time on death row was. Could Daniel's refusal to implicate Bobby Dean derive from Daniel's unwillingness to be responsible for sending any other man to prison, even one who nearly savagely killed him? Perhaps.
Let's look at the other end of the continuum. When Amantha screams at Daniel about how could he just let Bobby Dean go with no retribution, Daniel mutters something to the effect that that's not necessarily the case. What was Daniel alluding to? That he would punish Bobby Dean with his own hands? Also, perhaps. Or, could Daniel have been thinking that Bobby Dean will pay the price of living with the memory of his nearly killing someone, as maybe Daniel feels about his beating of Teddy, or maybe about something much worse?
Or, might Daniel have a completely different motive for keeping Bobby Dean out of jail? If this were more of a high-puzzle murder mystery than a scathing and tender examination of the human psyche - Rectify of course is both, but it's more of the latter - than perhaps Daniel might want to keep Bobby Dean out of prison, as a way of ultimately proving that someone other than Daniel - maybe Bobby Dean? - was the murderer.
And then there's the other, worst side of this. If there's any chance at all that Daniel indeed was responsible for killing Hanna, then he would not want to punish someone who was beating him for good reason. It's almost impossible to believe that someone with Daniel's gentleness could hurt anyone. But we did see him beat Teddy last season, and it's a measure of how superb this drama is that we can eve contemplate that question.
I think that I have found my TV soulmate. Nearly every single thing I come to post/rave about, I see you commenting about the same show.pollardsvision said:Caught the first 3 episodes. Holy #### is this show good.
Movies were better in the 90's and this show recaptures that feel far better than any movie nowadays.
Visually, it's just gorgeous to watch too.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to watch the pilot without being completely "in".
Aden Young just knocks this out of the park (gives Timmy Robbins a run for his money as "stoic wrongfully convicted guy", even that's blasphemous to say).
I'm not sure what heaven looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's Abigail Spencer in a little summer dress and boots.
I know the worthlessness of network drama is nothing new, but it still just shocks me that tiny little networks like BBCA and Sundance can put out Orphan Blacks and Rectify's while the behemoths can't put out anything worth a crap (I know that's not their goal though).
I think that I have found my TV soulmate. Nearly every single thing I come to post/rave about, I see you commenting about the same show. I don't want to view this thread too much yet, as I I just watched season 1 and the premiere of season 2. I have the rest of S. 2 to catch up on. But it is terribly engrossing and not slow at all, which was why I stayed away from season 1.pollardsvision said:Caught the first 3 episodes. Holy #### is this show good.
Movies were better in the 90's and this show recaptures that feel far better than any movie nowadays.
Visually, it's just gorgeous to watch too.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to watch the pilot without being completely "in".
Aden Young just knocks this out of the park (gives Timmy Robbins a run for his money as "stoic wrongfully convicted guy", even that's blasphemous to say).
I'm not sure what heaven looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's Abigail Spencer in a little summer dress and boots.
I know the worthlessness of network drama is nothing new, but it still just shocks me that tiny little networks like BBCA and Sundance can put out Orphan Blacks and Rectify's while the behemoths can't put out anything worth a crap (I know that's not their goal though).
It is funny that you mention Orphan black, because I have 7 episodes of season 2 piled up on my DVR that I keep saying I will watch another day (for example I watched 7 episodes of Rectify rather than the rest of Orphan black). The show is well shot and acted, but it seems silly. Does it get better the rest of S.2?
The thing is Season 1 did grab me, and I was eagerly looking forward to season 2. I'm 2.5 episodes in, and it seems like there are a million people with vague alliances, and trumped up drama. The story just seems ridiculous, and obviously I am suspending disbelief with regard to the SciFi aspect.I think that I have found my TV soulmate. Nearly every single thing I come to post/rave about, I see you commenting about the same show. I don't want to view this thread too much yet, as I I just watched season 1 and the premiere of season 2. I have the rest of S. 2 to catch up on. But it is terribly engrossing and not slow at all, which was why I stayed away from season 1.pollardsvision said:Caught the first 3 episodes. Holy #### is this show good.
Movies were better in the 90's and this show recaptures that feel far better than any movie nowadays.
Visually, it's just gorgeous to watch too.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to watch the pilot without being completely "in".
Aden Young just knocks this out of the park (gives Timmy Robbins a run for his money as "stoic wrongfully convicted guy", even that's blasphemous to say).
I'm not sure what heaven looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's Abigail Spencer in a little summer dress and boots.
I know the worthlessness of network drama is nothing new, but it still just shocks me that tiny little networks like BBCA and Sundance can put out Orphan Blacks and Rectify's while the behemoths can't put out anything worth a crap (I know that's not their goal though).
It is funny that you mention Orphan black, because I have 7 episodes of season 2 piled up on my DVR that I keep saying I will watch another day (for example I watched 7 episodes of Rectify rather than the rest of Orphan black). The show is well shot and acted, but it seems silly. Does it get better the rest of S.2?
OB Season 2 has it's issues, but I thought it was great overall (outside of one episode, #8, I believe). Episode 4 might be my favorite episode of the series, and should help decide if you want to continue or not. I'd guess if S1 didn't completely grab you, then there's not much about S2 that you'll find improved. But I'd absolutely watch episode 4.
I can understand that it can come off a little silly, and sometimes it's clear they are just showing off (either Maslany's talent or the tech guys). The story isn't always best, but Maslany and the characters are really enough to keep me excited about it.
Gotcha. S2 does start a bit slowly and really picks up, particularly with episode 4. Other than the one big stinker episode, the final 2/3rds of the season is really good. If you liked S1, then S2's about to get back to that level.The thing is Season 1 did grab me, and I was eagerly looking forward to season 2. I'm 2.5 episodes in, and it seems like there are a million people with vague alliances, and trumped up drama. The story just seems ridiculous, and obviously I am suspending disbelief with regard to the SciFi aspect. Re Rectify, it kind of reminds me a little bit of Sling Blade in its tone, feeling of contemplation and foreboding. If I have one quibble (and it isn't much of a quibble), i have a hard time thinking of Abigail Spencer growing up in this town. She is almost distractingly beautiful and put together for her upbringing.I think that I have found my TV soulmate. Nearly every single thing I come to post/rave about, I see you commenting about the same show. I don't want to view this thread too much yet, as I I just watched season 1 and the premiere of season 2. I have the rest of S. 2 to catch up on. But it is terribly engrossing and not slow at all, which was why I stayed away from season 1.pollardsvision said:Caught the first 3 episodes. Holy #### is this show good.
Movies were better in the 90's and this show recaptures that feel far better than any movie nowadays.
Visually, it's just gorgeous to watch too.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to watch the pilot without being completely "in".
Aden Young just knocks this out of the park (gives Timmy Robbins a run for his money as "stoic wrongfully convicted guy", even that's blasphemous to say).
I'm not sure what heaven looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's Abigail Spencer in a little summer dress and boots.
I know the worthlessness of network drama is nothing new, but it still just shocks me that tiny little networks like BBCA and Sundance can put out Orphan Blacks and Rectify's while the behemoths can't put out anything worth a crap (I know that's not their goal though).
It is funny that you mention Orphan black, because I have 7 episodes of season 2 piled up on my DVR that I keep saying I will watch another day (for example I watched 7 episodes of Rectify rather than the rest of Orphan black). The show is well shot and acted, but it seems silly. Does it get better the rest of S.2?
OB Season 2 has it's issues, but I thought it was great overall (outside of one episode, #8, I believe). Episode 4 might be my favorite episode of the series, and should help decide if you want to continue or not. I'd guess if S1 didn't completely grab you, then there's not much about S2 that you'll find improved. But I'd absolutely watch episode 4.
I can understand that it can come off a little silly, and sometimes it's clear they are just showing off (either Maslany's talent or the tech guys). The story isn't always best, but Maslany and the characters are really enough to keep me excited about it.
Amantha isn't as put together as it seems. Her driving force for a long time has been working to get her brother freed. Things like finishing college or having her own husband and kids have taken a back seat. Now that he''s out, her life is kind of empty.The thing is Season 1 did grab me, and I was eagerly looking forward to season 2. I'm 2.5 episodes in, and it seems like there are a million people with vague alliances, and trumped up drama. The story just seems ridiculous, and obviously I am suspending disbelief with regard to the SciFi aspect.I think that I have found my TV soulmate. Nearly every single thing I come to post/rave about, I see you commenting about the same show. I don't want to view this thread too much yet, as I I just watched season 1 and the premiere of season 2. I have the rest of S. 2 to catch up on. But it is terribly engrossing and not slow at all, which was why I stayed away from season 1.pollardsvision said:Caught the first 3 episodes. Holy #### is this show good.
Movies were better in the 90's and this show recaptures that feel far better than any movie nowadays.
Visually, it's just gorgeous to watch too.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to watch the pilot without being completely "in".
Aden Young just knocks this out of the park (gives Timmy Robbins a run for his money as "stoic wrongfully convicted guy", even that's blasphemous to say).
I'm not sure what heaven looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's Abigail Spencer in a little summer dress and boots.
I know the worthlessness of network drama is nothing new, but it still just shocks me that tiny little networks like BBCA and Sundance can put out Orphan Blacks and Rectify's while the behemoths can't put out anything worth a crap (I know that's not their goal though).
It is funny that you mention Orphan black, because I have 7 episodes of season 2 piled up on my DVR that I keep saying I will watch another day (for example I watched 7 episodes of Rectify rather than the rest of Orphan black). The show is well shot and acted, but it seems silly. Does it get better the rest of S.2?
OB Season 2 has it's issues, but I thought it was great overall (outside of one episode, #8, I believe). Episode 4 might be my favorite episode of the series, and should help decide if you want to continue or not. I'd guess if S1 didn't completely grab you, then there's not much about S2 that you'll find improved. But I'd absolutely watch episode 4.
I can understand that it can come off a little silly, and sometimes it's clear they are just showing off (either Maslany's talent or the tech guys). The story isn't always best, but Maslany and the characters are really enough to keep me excited about it.
Re Rectify, it kind of reminds me a little bit of Sling Blade in its tone, feeling of contemplation and foreboding. If I have one quibble (and it isn't much of a quibble), i have a hard time thinking of Abigail Spencer growing up in this town. She is almost distractingly beautiful and put together for her upbringing.
Fair point, she just sticks out to me amongst the hillbillies and rednecks. Oh--and who names their kid Amantha?Amantha isn't as put together as it seems. Her driving force for a long time has been working to get her brother freed. Things like finishing college or having her own husband and kids have taken a back seat. Now that he''s out, her life is kind of empty.The thing is Season 1 did grab me, and I was eagerly looking forward to season 2. I'm 2.5 episodes in, and it seems like there are a million people with vague alliances, and trumped up drama. The story just seems ridiculous, and obviously I am suspending disbelief with regard to the SciFi aspect.I think that I have found my TV soulmate. Nearly every single thing I come to post/rave about, I see you commenting about the same show. I don't want to view this thread too much yet, as I I just watched season 1 and the premiere of season 2. I have the rest of S. 2 to catch up on. But it is terribly engrossing and not slow at all, which was why I stayed away from season 1.pollardsvision said:Caught the first 3 episodes. Holy #### is this show good.
Movies were better in the 90's and this show recaptures that feel far better than any movie nowadays.
Visually, it's just gorgeous to watch too.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to watch the pilot without being completely "in".
Aden Young just knocks this out of the park (gives Timmy Robbins a run for his money as "stoic wrongfully convicted guy", even that's blasphemous to say).
I'm not sure what heaven looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's Abigail Spencer in a little summer dress and boots.
I know the worthlessness of network drama is nothing new, but it still just shocks me that tiny little networks like BBCA and Sundance can put out Orphan Blacks and Rectify's while the behemoths can't put out anything worth a crap (I know that's not their goal though).
It is funny that you mention Orphan black, because I have 7 episodes of season 2 piled up on my DVR that I keep saying I will watch another day (for example I watched 7 episodes of Rectify rather than the rest of Orphan black). The show is well shot and acted, but it seems silly. Does it get better the rest of S.2?
OB Season 2 has it's issues, but I thought it was great overall (outside of one episode, #8, I believe). Episode 4 might be my favorite episode of the series, and should help decide if you want to continue or not. I'd guess if S1 didn't completely grab you, then there's not much about S2 that you'll find improved. But I'd absolutely watch episode 4.
I can understand that it can come off a little silly, and sometimes it's clear they are just showing off (either Maslany's talent or the tech guys). The story isn't always best, but Maslany and the characters are really enough to keep me excited about it.
Re Rectify, it kind of reminds me a little bit of Sling Blade in its tone, feeling of contemplation and foreboding. If I have one quibble (and it isn't much of a quibble), i have a hard time thinking of Abigail Spencer growing up in this town. She is almost distractingly beautiful and put together for her upbringing.
"Rectify" just wrapped up its second season, a couple of days after Sundance ordered a third. I spoke briefly with Ray McKinnon about the season, and I have a review of the finale coming up just as soon as I hoard food under stress...
"It's not complicated. I just want it to be over, Jon. Don't you?" -Daniel
I watched "Unhinged" a few days before the renewal announcement, and instantly thought of how angry I would be if Sundance hadn't renewed it, not only because the show is so wonderful (and such a perfect example of what Sundance should be aspiring to make and promote), but because the episode doesn't remotely work as a series finale. Season 1's finale would have worked as an ending — albeit a very bleak one — to Daniel's story if Sundance had never ordered more. "Unhinged," on the other hand, leaves so much up in the air — whether the judge will accept the plea deal, whether Carl will keep investigating Trey's role (especially now that George's body has been discovered), what impact Ted Jr.'s desire to press assault charges against Daniel will play in the other two matters — that it almost plays like McKinnon thumbing his nose at the idea of closure, and/or daring Sundance to cancel him.
McKinnon, though, said he wasn't thinking about anything but following the story where it went — and trying to stay true to the show's philosophy of defying convention. And "Unhinged" does play like an episode of "Rectify," albeit on the plottier end of the show's spectrum.
The episode's magnificent, complicated centerpiece is Daniel providing the debrief to the current and former prosecutors. This is a role that Aden Young is so often asked to play in silence, or with brief, cryptic bursts of dialogue. Here, asked to deliver a pair of lengthy monologues about the events surrounding Hanna's death (interrupted only by a commercial break and occasional interjections from Foulkes and Jon), he is absolutely riveting, even as his performance and the scene continue to leave much ambiguity as to what actually happened. We know by now that Daniel simply wants this matter to be over with so he can free his loved ones from the burden of being hurt by his presence (if nothing else, he knows that what he did to Ted Jr. must be met with exile at a minimum), yet he spends a very long time building up to a version of events where he was not the killer. Then, after an argument with Jon, he continues in that vein before pivoting abruptly to give Foulkes exactly what he wants to hear. Is this the truth? Is the earlier version a cover so Daniel can feel disconnected from what he might have done to Hanna, or a way to let Foulkes dangle on the edge of a rope for a little bit as punishment for what he put the younger Daniel through? How much does he genuinely remember? I have no idea, and Young's performance and the construction of the scene allows for multiple interpretations. It may be that Trey is the only character on the show who genuinely knows what happens, and it's certainly not in his best interest to tell anyone, so I could imagine a scenario where the show ends without ever telling us, even as it perhaps brings the emotional story of Daniel (and of Amantha, Tawney, Janet, Ted Jr., etc.) to a more proper close than we got here.
The rest of the episode is pretty terrific in its own right, from Tawney letting Ted Jr. know that Daniel told her of the assault at the exact wrong moment(*), to Amantha having a final conversation with Daniel while she's still "this person one more time," to Jared sneaking into Hanna's room to get some sense of what his half-brother might have been up to all those years ago. It demonstrates the same curiosity about its ensemble that the entire series has to date. Season 2 unexpectedly and marvelously turned out to be a big year for Ted Jr., and I can imagine Jared being pushed into the spotlight next year (or Janet even more than she was this year) and it being just as fascinating. Hell, I could even imagine a third season where Foulkes becomes less of a heavy.
(*) My favorite part of that scene is at the beginning, when Teddy slips some cash into Tawney's purse before she comes downstairs. Both there and when he offers to help her out in whatever she's doing next, we are reminded that while Ted is not the greatest human being alive (that would likely be his father), he is capable of generosity, and reflection. He knows he did many bad things in this marriage as well, and he also cares enough for Tawney to help her even as she's leaving him. And then all that empathy and introspection just gets crumpled up along with the letter when he realizes that Tawney spent the night with Daniel (even if he doesn't know, like we do, that no sex was involved).
What a great year. I wondered if the show had enough life in it for a second season, let alone a longer second season, and it absolutely did. With four extra episodes, we got the trip to Atlanta, we got an extended stay with Lezlie-with-a-Z, we got Amantha trying to figure out a life separate from her crusading for Daniel, we got Ted Sr. being a saint without being a cartoon, and we got so many spectacular moments with Daniel, with Tawney, with Ted Jr. and Janet and everyone else.
Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/season-finale-review-rectify-unhinged-debrief-encounter#3A3hJvORFd5TTX7O.99
Yeah, I think it would be a very frustrating show for most people to watch. My MIL has seen us watching it a few times, and every time she asks "Did he do it?" and seems a little confused that the audience really has no clue this far into it.Season 2 has 10, but I don't know if that'll keep you interested if you're not already. I think the 2nd season is better than the first, though YMMV. It's not a fast-paced show, but season 2 covers a much longer time frame than S1's one week.
It doesn't really speed up, though there are short bursts of action (making them all the more effective, IMO). Anyone expecting the hyper action of something like Breaking Bad or Game Of Thrones is going to be disappointed. I imagine trying to binge watch Rectify could be painful. I think this is a show that's better watching one episode at a time.Just watched the first two episodes of season one.
Holy crap is this show is slow.
Maybe something like Blacklist or Sons of Anarchy might be more up your alley.Just watched the first two episodes of season one.
Holy crap is this show is slow.
Nailed it.Maybe something like Blacklist or Sons of Anarchy might be more up your alley.Just watched the first two episodes of season one.
Holy crap is this show is slow.
Yeah, Teddy's doing some great work this season.Clayne Crawford (Teddy) doing some stellar work this season.
I loved Jared's line about people talking around things
Just such an emotionally raw episode...something about Mitch rubs me the wrong way
You are going to be surprised by the depth given to the character as the series progresses.Teddy Jr is a great ahole. just watched the episode in s2 where he tells the Sheriff about Daniel and the coffee grinds.
You are going to be surprised by the depth given to the character as the series progresses.Teddy Jr is a great ahole. just watched the episode in s2 where he tells the Sheriff about Daniel and the coffee grinds.