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The last pick I saw was Marion Barber. Who's gone since then?I held things up most of the day. Lost power/internet for most of the day due to the ice storm. Things are just now getting back on track (we're waiting on pick 4.14 now)Has there been any progress in the draft today? I don't have access to the site from work. Yet amazingly I can get to the FBG site.
Pick Ovr Franchise Selection1.01 1 Chris Overton Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB1.02 2 Sigmund Bloom Johnson, Larry KCC RB1.03 3 Nick Chadick Jackson, Steven STL RB1.04 4 Jeff Pasquino Westbrook, Brian PHI RB1.05 5 Terry Winfree Gore, Frank SFO RB1.06 6 Jake Bachman Bush, Reggie NOS RB1.07 7 Aaron Rudnicki Portis, Clinton WAS RB1.08 8 Alex Fernandez Parker, Willie PIT RB1.09 9 Jake Parrish Alexander, Shaun SEA RB1.10 10 Jake Bachman Addai, Joseph IND RB1.11 11 Ben Bregitzer Maroney, Laurence NEP RB1.12 12 Will Grant Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB1.13 13 AJ Moura Brown, Ronnie MIA RB1.14 14 Nick Chadick Manning, Peyton IND QB1.15 15 Marc Faletti Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR1.16 16 Derek Tonn Johnson, Rudi CIN RB2.01 17 Will Grant Wayne, Reggie IND WR2.02 18 Marc Faletti Smith, Steve CAR WR2.03 19 Carlos Rodrigues Williams, Carnell TBB RB2.04 20 Carlos Rodrigues Johnson, Chad CIN WR2.05 21 Brian Smith Gates, Antonio SDC TE2.06 22 Ben Bregitzer Taylor, Chester MIN RB2.07 23 Marc Faletti Holt, Torry STL WR2.08 24 Jake Parrish Jones, Kevin DET RB2.09 25 Alex Fernandez McGahee, Willis BUF RB2.10 26 Aaron Rudnicki Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB2.11 27 Jake Bachman Boldin, Anquan ARI WR2.12 28 Terry Winfree Winslow, Kellen CLE TE2.13 29 Alex Fernandez Palmer, Carson CIN QB2.14 30 Marc Faletti Young, Vince TEN QB2.15 31 AJ Moura Williams, Roy DET WR2.16 32 Ben Bregitzer Brees, Drew NOS QB3.01 33 Chris Overton Colston, Marques NOS WR3.02 34 Sigmund Bloom Johnson, Andre HOU WR3.03 35 Sigmund Bloom Evans, Lee BUF WR3.04 36 Brian Smith Walker, Javon DEN WR3.05 37 Nick Chadick Harrison, Marvin IND WR3.06 38 Nick Chadick Owens, Terrell DAL WR3.07 39 Aaron Rudnicki Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR3.08 40 Jeff Pasquino Driver, Donald GBP WR3.09 41 Jake Parrish Jackson, Darrell SEA WR3.10 42 Carlos Rodrigues Ward, Hines PIT WR3.11 43 Ben Bregitzer Heap, Todd BAL TE3.12 44 Brian Smith Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 45 Brian Smith Moss, Santana WAS WR3.14 46 Jake Bachman Clayton, Mark BAL WR3.15 47 Carlos Rodrigues Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE3.16 48 Derek Tonn McAllister, Deuce NOS RB4.01 49 Will Grant Benson, Cedric CHI RB4.02 50 Brian Smith Edwards, Braylon CLE WR4.03 51 Will Grant Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE4.04 52 Derek Tonn McNabb, Donovan PHI QB4.05 53 Brian Smith Turner, Michael SDC RB4.06 54 Chris Overton Burress, Plaxico NYG WR4.07 55 Will Grant Coles, Laveranues NYJ WR4.08 56 Jake Parrish Cooley, Chris WAS TE4.09 57 Jeff Pasquino Barber, Marion DAL RB4.10 58 Jeff Pasquino Crumpler, Alge ATL TE4.11 59 Nick Chadick James, Edgerrin ARI RB4.12 60 Terry Winfree Merriman, Shawne SDC LB4.13 61 Derek Tonn Brown, Reggie PHI WRNot too often this flyboy will help out a jarhead... :(
Not too often this flyboy will help out a jarhead...
As long as we're aiming at the same target...it's all good by me.
I appreciate the commentary you are providing with each pick, and I often try to follow the same general direction you are taking (BPA at hopefully the base of certain tiers or waiting for value regardless of position to drop). I do have a couple of questions based on this pick, your last pick, and generally:1) You were considering others when selecting McNabb; assuming the other QB was Brady (since none went)and the WR was Burress or Coles (I'm figuring Plax), did you get your best total value with the McNabb/Brown vs Brady/Burress combination?2) Not taking a 2nd QB "violates" your BPA regardless statement. Is that due to similarity of the various positions in tiers or just unwillingness to go strictly BPA when positions such as QB (versus RB/WR where a glut of talent is more useful)?Enjoying following this; the rostering and scoring setups leave a lot of different options to consider for team design.At 4.13, I had Tom Brady as the best player available on my board. However, with McNabb already in tow, I felt that another 30-31 year old QB at this stage wouldn't be the best direction for the franchise (not to mention the POUNDING I would have taken from guys in the league and in here for avoiding my glaring need at WR). After a second QB was also atop my BPA board, the next name on my list was WR Reggie Brown, Eagles. He is a big target for McNabb with the potential for the big play (rewarded a bit higher in our scoring system). And, at age 26, he's just starting to come into his own. Not quite what I envisioned as a "WR1" heading into the draft, but not a bad start at building-out my WR corps. The THIRD best player available at 4.13 -(broke my own rules), but taking a QB with that pick would have been suicide as far as my line-up is concerned.
that is part of my appeal to this scoring system, lots of different approaches available to put a winning team togetherDuckboy,On #1, the items I was debating while on the clock at 4.04 were: - Would the QB run start between 4.04 and 4.13, and would I end up with a guy near McNabb's ability if it did? - How many WRs would be drafted in the nine picks between my selections?I actually guessed right on the number of WRs that were selected (2), but I didn't think that Coles would be off the board when my next pick came up. He's a steady/solid WR that isn't as "sexy" as several other players who are still on the board. He was the best VALUE in WRs when Will drafted him, but guys have been breaking "BPA" all over the place in over-valuing youth, as is too-often the case. I also thought the QB run would start in the fourth round. Seeing no other QBs going between 4.04 and 4.13 shocked me....and makes me think (in hindsight) that I might have been able to get away with Plax/Coles and McNabb instead of McNabb/Brown. In my mind though, Brown isn't THAT big of a step down from those guys....assuming McNabb can stay healthy. If I were faced with the 4.04 pick again, knowing what I knew at the time, I would take McNabb again.On #2, I guess it is more due to the fact that I don't "trust" the other 15 owners to look at BPA...which could cause the WR runs to continue ahead of QB. WRs are at a premium in our scoring system (start 48 across the entire PPR league), so WRs early and often makes complete sense! I guess I just didn't want to take a second QB then get stuck holding much less talent at WR in another 15-20 picks. I have seven picks in the next two rounds though, so if the free-fall at QB continues, I'll be "forced" to draft my QB2 early and have the best 1-2 punch that most owners in 16-team dynasty leagues could only dream of.
I thought Edge would have been a steal there even though he's 29 this year.
Chris Overton gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.01;Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.01Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.07Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments 1.01 1. Chris Overton Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Mon Feb 12 10:46:15 a.m. ET 2007 3.01 33. Chris Overton Colston, Marques NOS WR Tue Feb 13 12:58:21 p.m. ET 2007 4.06 54. Chris Overton Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Wed Feb 14 1:24:24 a.m. ET 2007 4.16 64. Chris Overton Bulger, Marc STL QB Wed Feb 14 7:31:27 p.m. ET 2007 5.13 77. Chris Overton 5.16 80. Chris Overton 6.16 96. Chris Overton 7.01 97. Chris Overton 7.07 103. Chris OvertonMoved up from 5.13 to 5.01 because I wanted either Bulger or Vick. Had a feel QBs were going to go rapidly this round, and I didn't pay too much to make this move in value. Pretty confident I can find talent as we get deeper.
Vick to Crumpler=Killer Combo!
Just added Romo at 5.03. Going young.
The PPR stuff and IDP will send some guys lower than expected (although just one IDP taken so far).Also the rewards for big games (300+yds for example for QBs) may lend to a guy like Bulger > Brady.
but bulger is built like a librarianThe PPR stuff and IDP will send some guys lower than expected (although just one IDP taken so far).Also the rewards for big games (300+yds for example for QBs) may lend to a guy like Bulger > Brady.
Nowhere near it, he went about where he should. Especially if you take into account this scoring system gives bonuses for deep plays, which he generally has very few of. He's a solid starting QB especially in a 16 team league, but not someone who should of gone a number of rounds earlier.I was surprised to see Vick last that long. Particularily with Vince going so early. He's a crap QB, but great for fantasy.
Well we disagree.I would take Brady before Vince Young for example who went several rounds higher.
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....and we have a 77 pick intermission
Watson is the "last of the best" TEs that were available though, and the drop from Watson was more severe than the drop at WR from Cotchery. We'll see what's left at 5.12.....
I am getting the sense that you are somewhat disapointed with the players that have been left available to you at the slots you have traded down to. 16 teams tends to do that.. it is a much longer wait compared to 12 and the 1st 3 rounds = 48 picks or the same as 4 rounds in a 12 team league. So a big difference comparativly when trading down.You said pre-draft that you would stick to a BPA strategy. Have you done that?You are now coming to the place where you are making up for your wait with many picks over the next couple of rounds.. if you make good on these and stay focused on your BPA strategy you should gain some footing. These picks will be critical to the success of your trading down.At 5.06, it all came down to TE Ben Watson, Patriots, and WR Jerricho Cotchery, Jets. I REALLY wanted to go Cotchery here, but I assumed that Watson would not make it back to me at 5.12. Of course, Cotchery went immediately at 5.07, which confirmed my "fears."Watson is the "last of the best" TEs that were available though, and the drop from Watson was more severe than the drop at WR from Cotchery. We'll see what's left at 5.12.....
I couldn't be happier! Now is the most stressful time of the draft for me though, as I HAVE to throw some weight around and make every last "extra" pick hurt the other teams in my division....my conference....the league. I take every pick seriously, and will debate the merits of "X vs. Y" while I am on the clock almost every time. With the McNabb, Brown and Watson picks, I guess I was just hoping that the decision would be more clear/obvious than it was. McNabb I had to debate if the QB run would start before my next pick (which it did not). On Brown, I was SERIOUSLY shocked that Coles didn't sneak down to me...though I wouldn't say that I was "disappointed" with Brown at all. On Watson, I VERY much wanted to go Cotchery, but I knew Watson wouldn't last to 5.12...and the drop-off from Watson to _____ was greater than from Cotchery to _______.
I just realized - weren't you the commish of the old Patriot league? It was nothing but military...I was sad to see that league fold. That league is what turned me on to IDP's...Nothing better than theNot too often this flyboy will help out a jarhead...
No way! While Branch is a solid choice, everyone KNOWS DJax is the man.Sincerely, Proud(gulp) DJax ownerAt 5.12, I was seriously hoping WR Chris Chambers would fall. That's the SECOND time Will has snaked one of my picks, LOL. After getting over the bit of disappointment, I had to decide between a QB, a RB, Branch, a second WR and a TE as "BPA". Again, I have a QB rated as the BPA at this position, with Branch being the second best player on the board (in our scoring system). This is probably the first pick where I've felt a bit uneasy....as the Seattle WR situation is very unsettled (DJax, Engram, Burleson, Hackett, etc.). I think Branch will emerge as a leader in targets/receptions on the team.....but I might have him rated several slots higher than others. At any rate, I can live with it.....but I would have felt MUCH more comfortable with Chambers.
are you gonna put all 50 rounds in your sig?No way! While Branch is a solid choice, everyone KNOWS DJax is the man.Sincerely, Proud(gulp) DJax ownerAt 5.12, I was seriously hoping WR Chris Chambers would fall. That's the SECOND time Will has snaked one of my picks, LOL. After getting over the bit of disappointment, I had to decide between a QB, a RB, Branch, a second WR and a TE as "BPA". Again, I have a QB rated as the BPA at this position, with Branch being the second best player on the board (in our scoring system). This is probably the first pick where I've felt a bit uneasy....as the Seattle WR situation is very unsettled (DJax, Engram, Burleson, Hackett, etc.). I think Branch will emerge as a leader in targets/receptions on the team.....but I might have him rated several slots higher than others. At any rate, I can live with it.....but I would have felt MUCH more comfortable with Chambers.
:highfive: but now i get to suffer through a 77 pick gap....booooooI LOVE this team so far..2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB5.08 (72) - Cutler, Jay DEN QB10.05 (149) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)That is just nasty! Very young, but I like 'em that way
It is, it really is. If 2 out of Davis/Edwards/Turner/Cutler hit and become true first tier guys at their position, we are all in trouble.I LOVE this team so far..2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB5.08 (72) - Cutler, Jay DEN QB10.05 (149) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)That is just nasty! Very young, but I like 'em that way
Not sure what you mean as I already stated a few pages ago that I thought Vince that early was a mistake. I just meant that I figured if Vince went that early, Vick would probably go early as well since they are both kind of "sexy" running QB's for fantasy purposes.Would I take Brady before Vince? Depends on my strategy, but I would say Vince has much more "upside" than Brady and is 6 years younger. We've already discussed this some in a different thread a month or two ago, you're very high on Brady for Dynasty and I am not, let's just leave it at that.Biabreakable said:
I like it as well, but is no one concerened he may not have a RB to start this year?Sigmund Bloom said:It is, it really is. If 2 out of Davis/Edwards/Turner/Cutler hit and become true first tier guys at their position, we are all in trouble.cscmtp said:I LOVE this team so far..2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB5.08 (72) - Cutler, Jay DEN QB10.05 (149) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)That is just nasty! Very young, but I like 'em that way
Yes, he should be lower....got_nugs said:
Rivers= :X What did he have...32 pass attempts on the year? That is LT's team and he calls the plays!
1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 483.302. Jackson, Steven STL RB 392.40I like it as well, but is no one concerened he may not have a RB to start this year?Sigmund Bloom said:It is, it really is. If 2 out of Davis/Edwards/Turner/Cutler hit and become true first tier guys at their position, we are all in trouble.cscmtp said:I LOVE this team so far..
2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE
3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR
3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE
3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR
4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR
4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB
5.08 (72) - Cutler, Jay DEN QB
10.05 (149) -
1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)
That is just nasty! Very young, but I like 'em that way
I like the start to your team, Brian. It should do well for you and I think will overcome the obvious issue you have at RB (likely for this year only). The problem now is the fact that you will wait a long time to pick again, and you have no IDP's on your team. If you can identify and pick the young-and-relatively-unproven IDP's (read "up and coming with best years ahead") you can still get ahead of the curve though.1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 483.302. Jackson, Steven STL RB 392.40I like it as well, but is no one concerened he may not have a RB to start this year?Sigmund Bloom said:It is, it really is. If 2 out of Davis/Edwards/Turner/Cutler hit and become true first tier guys at their position, we are all in trouble.cscmtp said:I LOVE this team so far..
2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE
3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR
3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE
3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR
4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR
4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB
5.08 (72) - Cutler, Jay DEN QB
10.05 (149) -
1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)
That is just nasty! Very young, but I like 'em that way
3. Johnson, Larry KCC RB 374.40
4. Gore, Frank SFO RB 314.50
5. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 310.10
6. Parker, Willie PIT RB 294.20
7. Barber, Tiki NYG RB 291.70
1. Gates, Antonio SDC TE 278.90
8. Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 268.70
2. Winslow, Kellen CLE TE 257.00
3. Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE 255.50
4. Heap, Todd BAL TE 238.00
9. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB 232.70
10. Bush, Reggie NOS RB 231.60
5. Crumpler, Alge ATL TE 224.00
11. Betts, Ladell WAS RB 222.60
6. Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE 217.60
12. McAllister, Deuce NOS RB 212.90
13. Green, Ahman GBP RB 211.40
7. Cooley, Chris WAS TE 211.20
14. Taylor, Chester MIN RB 211.20
15. Addai, Joseph IND RB 208.60
this is scoring last year, if vernon plays like i anticipate, i wont need to rely heavily on my rb
winning
The way I see it, everyone will have some weak areas after an initial draft. You can win in a league like this without a stud RB, because of the TE scoring, not to mention having 11 IDP starters. Those 2 things can cover a weakness at RB. He also has 3 solid WR's. Thus far I think his team is best situated for the long haul.I like it as well, but is no one concerened he may not have a RB to start this year?Sigmund Bloom said:It is, it really is. If 2 out of Davis/Edwards/Turner/Cutler hit and become true first tier guys at their position, we are all in trouble.cscmtp said:I LOVE this team so far..2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB5.08 (72) - Cutler, Jay DEN QB10.05 (149) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)That is just nasty! Very young, but I like 'em that way
4.01 49. Will Grant Benson, Cedric CHI RB Tue Feb 13 9:34:04 p.m. PT 2007 Need a RB... Benson is finally coming around 4.02 50. Brian Smith Edwards, Braylon CLE WR Tue Feb 13 9:49:35 p.m. PT 2007 4.03 51. Will Grant Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE Tue Feb 13 9:52:25 p.m. PT 2007 'Cool. Edwards is still available.. I'll wait for Brian to pick and then....... DAMN...' 4.04 52. Derek Tonn McNabb, Donovan PHI QB Tue Feb 13 10:00:25 p.m. PT 2007 4.05 53. Brian Smith Turner, Michael SDC RB Tue Feb 13 10:09:58 p.m. PT 2007 HUGE leap of faith!!!! 4.06 54. Chris Overton Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Tue Feb 13 10:24:24 p.m. PT 2007 4.07 55. Will Grant Coles, Laveranues NYJ WR Tue Feb 13 10:43:35 p.m. PT 2007 Not a sexy pick..... but functional 4.08 56. Jake Parrish Cooley, Chris WAS TE Tue Feb 13 10:43:35 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 4.09 57. Jeff Pasquino Barber, Marion DAL RB Tue Feb 13 10:55:26 p.m. PT 2007 4.10 58. Jeff Pasquino Crumpler, Alge ATL TE Wed Feb 14 7:26:26 a.m. PT 2007 4.11 59. Nick Chadick James, Edgerrin ARI RB Wed Feb 14 12:22:59 p.m. PT 2007 4.12 60. Terry Winfree Merriman, Shawne SDC LB Wed Feb 14 12:22:59 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 4.13 61. Derek Tonn Brown, Reggie PHI WR Wed Feb 14 12:59:41 p.m. PT 2007 4.14 62. Aaron Rudnicki Witten, Jason DAL TE Wed Feb 14 1:35:01 p.m. PT 2007 4.15 63. AJ Moura Leinart, Matt ARI QB Wed Feb 14 1:35:01 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 4.16 64. Chris Overton Bulger, Marc STL QB Wed Feb 14 4:31:27 p.m. PT 2007 5.01 65. Jeff Pasquino Vick, Michael ATL QB Wed Feb 14 4:32:19 p.m. PT 2007 5.02 66. Sigmund Bloom Brady, Tom NEP QB Wed Feb 14 4:49:11 p.m. PT 2007 5.03 67. Jake Bachman Romo, Tony DAL QB Wed Feb 14 5:33:04 p.m. PT 2007 5.04 68. Alex Fernandez Moss, Randy OAK WR Wed Feb 14 7:04:25 p.m. PT 2007 5.05 69. Terry Winfree Ryans, DeMeco HOU LB Wed Feb 14 7:04:25 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 5.06 70. Derek Tonn Watson, Ben NEP TE Wed Feb 14 7:25:48 p.m. PT 2007 5.07 71. Aaron Rudnicki Cotchery, Jerricho NYJ WR Wed Feb 14 7:43:26 p.m. PT 2007 5.08 72. Brian Smith Cutler, Jay DEN QB Wed Feb 14 7:43:47 p.m. PT 2007 5.09 73. Jake Parrish Rivers, Philip SDC QB Wed Feb 14 9:22:14 p.m. PT 2007 5.10 74. AJ Moura Smith, L.J. PHI TE Wed Feb 14 9:22:14 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 5.11 75. Will Grant Chambers, Chris MIA WR Thu Feb 15 12:05:54 a.m. PT 2007 5.12 76. Derek Tonn Branch, Deion SEA WR Thu Feb 15 1:05:07 a.m. PT 2007 5.13 77. Chris Overton Peppers, Julius CAR DE Thu Feb 15 8:15:54 a.m. PT 2007 5.14 78. Derek Tonn Waiting On Derek Tonn For The Next Pick
4The way I see it, everyone will have some weak areas after an initial draft. You can win in a league like this without a stud RB, because of the TE scoring, not to mention having 11 IDP starters. Those 2 things can cover a weakness at RB. He also has 3 solid WR's. Thus far I think his team is best situated for the long haul.I like it as well, but is no one concerened he may not have a RB to start this year?Sigmund Bloom said:It is, it really is. If 2 out of Davis/Edwards/Turner/Cutler hit and become true first tier guys at their position, we are all in trouble.cscmtp said:I LOVE this team so far..2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB5.08 (72) - Cutler, Jay DEN QB10.05 (149) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)That is just nasty! Very young, but I like 'em that way
