Roethlisberger Accused of Sexual Assault Again (3 Viewers)

[Ministry of Pain]

Unnamed sources told KDKA-TV that Roethlisberger gave a statement to officers responding to the scene of the alleged assault, Capital City in Milledgeville, Ga.

Two off-duty Pennsylvania law enforcement officers were with Roethlisberger at the nightclub, and the two men didn't see anything inappropriate, an attorney for one of them said Wednesday.

Anthony Barravecchio, an officer on the force in the Pittsburgh suburb of Coraopolis, and Pennsylvania Trooper Ed Joyner were among about eight people with Roethlisberger celebrating his birthday at the club, attorney Michael Santicola said. Santicola said the men were there because they are friends of the two-time Super Bowl winner.

"They were not there in their official capacity," said Santicola, who represents Barravecchio but said Joyner is also a longtime friend.

Police are investigating the 20-year-old college student's claim that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her early last Friday at the club in Milledgeville, Ga. Roethlisberger has not been charged, and his attorney disputes the woman's claim.

Santicola, who's based in western Pennsylvania, said both of the law enforcement officers who were with Roethlisberger are cooperating fully with the investigation, but say they saw nothing inappropriate.

"They saw nothing inappropriate, no criminal activity and no inappropriate contact or behavior," Santicola said, adding that Barravecchio was "completely sober" during the evening.

Santicola also said the two do not remember meeting the woman who has accused Roethlisberger of assault.

"If they did meet the woman, they have no memory of it," Santicola said. "This was a crowded bar with people everywhere."

Ed Garland, an attorney for Roethlisberger, has said the quarterback is innocent of any crime and that no sexual assault occurred.

Two Atlanta-based attorneys for the woman who accused Roethlisberger have said that she did the right thing and asked for her family's privacy.

Milledgeville police have said they expect to interview Roethlisberger this week and are planning to take a DNA sample from him.

Roethlisberger, who owns a home about 30 miles north of Milledgeville on Lake Oconee, is also being sued by a woman who claims he raped her in 2008 at a hotel-casino in Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, an allegation he strongly denies.

 

[fatness]

Love to know what the source is for this speculation about what Roth said to the cops.

Not the outlets reporting it, but what the actual source is.

A TV report, citing unnamed sources who talked to the TV station that night. Seems like it would have to be someone within the police department, but that's just me guessing.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Steeler fans: will you still wear your Super Bowl T-shirts from your two most recent championships with pride if this turns out to be true? Keep in mind that you're the same bunch that have claimed for years that you couldn't have won those Super Bowls with any other QB aside from Roethlisberger.

Absolutely. Why wouldn't I?If Ben did sexually assault the girl, he deserves everything he gets for it. But that has nothing to do with what the Steelers accomplished. Are you still proud of the Patriots' championships after the Spygate scandal? I mean, that was cheating that likely directly impacted the games being played. There will be fewer people wearing Roethlisberger jerseys, but that's about it.Ben's an idiot. Whether he's found guilty or not, whether he did it or not, he's an idiot. He's an awesome quarterback and if nothing comes of this, he'll be the Steelers QB for the better part of the next decade. But to carry on this way was irresponsible and stupid, and he has no one to blame but himself.To me, it's clear where this is heading. Ben says that any physical evidence is a result of consentual sexual contact, the girl claims she was drunk and assaulted. It becomes a he said/she said thing and I have no idea what "proof" there can be either way. People will believe what they want, but legally, I'll be interested to see what evidence there can be. Since the burden of proof in a criminal trial is on the accuser, I'm not sure how she can prove anything in a case like this unless there's something clear on a surveilance video. I can see it ending up in civil court at some point.This is unreal.

 

[fatness]

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

Yes. His teammate who was with him also said he saw nothing unusual.There's no word on what the friends of the woman said.

 

[gianmarco]

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

Yes. His teammate who was with him also said he saw nothing unusual.There's no word on what the friends of the woman said.

Unless they were in the women's bathroom with them, why would they have seen anything?

 

[treat88]

Love to know what the source is for this speculation about what Roth said to the cops.

Not the outlets reporting it, but what the actual source is.

A TV report, citing unnamed sources who talked to the TV station that night. Seems like it would have to be someone within the police department, but that's just me guessing.

That's kind of the point.Some random observation by some unknown source and the knee jerk reactionaries go nuts.

We don't know anymore about the facts of the case tonight than we did 5 days ago.

 

[treat88]

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

Yes. His teammate who was with him also said he saw nothing unusual.There's no word on what the friends of the woman said.

Unless they were in the women's bathroom with them, why would they have seen anything?

They might have seen them enter/exit the bathroom together? Separately?What was their appearance as they exited?How were they behaving prior to entering the bathroom?How inebriated did he/she appear?There's lots of corroborating information that could be provided without being in the bathroom itself.

 

[Adebisi]

Steeler fans: will you still wear your Super Bowl T-shirts from your two most recent championships with pride if this turns out to be true? Keep in mind that you're the same bunch that have claimed for years that you couldn't have won those Super Bowls with any other QB aside from Roethlisberger.

Absolutely. Why wouldn't I?If Ben did sexually assault the girl, he deserves everything he gets for it. But that has nothing to do with what the Steelers accomplished. Are you still proud of the Patriots' championships after the Spygate scandal? I mean, that was cheating that likely directly impacted the games being played. There will be fewer people wearing Roethlisberger jerseys, but that's about it.Ben's an idiot. Whether he's found guilty or not, whether he did it or not, he's an idiot. He's an awesome quarterback and if nothing comes of this, he'll be the Steelers QB for the better part of the next decade. But to carry on this way was irresponsible and stupid, and he has no one to blame but himself.To me, it's clear where this is heading. Ben says that any physical evidence is a result of consentual sexual contact, the girl claims she was drunk and assaulted. It becomes a he said/she said thing and I have no idea what "proof" there can be either way. People will believe what they want, but legally, I'll be interested to see what evidence there can be. Since the burden of proof in a criminal trial is on the accuser, I'm not sure how she can prove anything in a case like this unless there's something clear on a surveilance video. I can see it ending up in civil court at some point.This is unreal.

Why wouldn't you? I guess because you'd be celebrating an achievement that you wouldn't/couldn't have accomplished (according to what we've been hearing from Steelers fans over the past few years) without the help of a scumbag rapist (assuming he's guilty, which is the premise of my question). Not only did he help the Steelers win, but he was perhaps their most valuable player, and certainly has been the face of the team (sorry, Hines Ward and Troy Polamalu). No one would ever be able to think of the 00s Steelers or their two most recent Super Bowl Championships again without thinking of Roethlisberger.I don't see how the comparison to Spygate is valid. What the Patriots did was cheat at a game. It has been argued by objective football people that the taping brought little value and that they were far from the only team that was doing what they were doing. Agree or disagree, there is at least a reasonable debate to be had. What Roethlisberger did (again, assuming he's guilty) is obviously far, far worse, and I don't think anyone would be standing up to defend or justify his actions. Someone else brought up Ray Lewis and the Ravens. A better comparison, but still not entirely valid. What if Ray Lewis had been charged with and found guilty of murder (like he probably should have been)? If that had been the case, I do think it would definitely have cast a shadow over the Ravens' Super Bowl win.I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Tom Brady was twice accused of sexual assault/rape and once found guilty, I would bury all of my Brady-era Patriots stuff in the backyard and never bring up those tainted glory days again.Am I being overly dramatic in stating that the Steelers franchise and their two most recent Super Bowls are currently on the verge of being completely disgraced (certainly not from a football perspective, but from a human perspective)? Serious question. I don't believe I am.Colts fans: how would you react if Peyton Manning was found guilty of this sort of thing?

 

[gianmarco]

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

Yes. His teammate who was with him also said he saw nothing unusual.There's no word on what the friends of the woman said.

Unless they were in the women's bathroom with them, why would they have seen anything?

They might have seen them enter/exit the bathroom together? Separately?What was their appearance as they exited?How were they behaving prior to entering the bathroom?How inebriated did he/she appear?There's lots of corroborating information that could be provided without being in the bathroom itself.

Of course. But having them report they didn't see anything unusual does not disprove that something happened in the bathroom is my point. It's one thing if someone accuses another person of hitting them and a witness standing there says he didn't see it. It's another thing for a witness to state he didn't see an incident happen in another room.

 

[Pat Patriot]

The girl went to the hospital for a head injury. It is reported that Ben says she slipped and fell. Do you believe him?

 

[McBokonon]

The girl went to the hospital for a head injury. It is reported that Ben says she slipped and fell. Do you believe him?

I'd have to get a good look at the bathroom's hourly sanitation checklist and make sure that it had been properly initialed in a timely fashion, first. After my review, and MOP's follow-up, I'll know for sure if the floors were in proper anti-slippage condition.

 

[TenTimes]

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

What is unusual about seeing Ben harass a girl? Sounds like it happens a lot.

 

[TenTimes]

The girl went to the hospital for a head injury. It is reported that Ben says she slipped and fell. Do you believe him?

Does anybody know off the top of their head if Ben lied about anything when questioned about that motorcycle accident he was in? I tend to not think somebody is lying unless it is blatantly obvious or they have a history of lying.

 

[Mile High]

The girl went to the hospital for a head injury. It is reported that Ben says she slipped and fell. Do you believe him?

Does anybody know off the top of their head if Ben lied about anything when questioned about that motorcycle accident he was in? I tend to not think somebody is lying unless it is blatantly obvious or they have a history of lying.

I'm probably jaded, since both my sisters were in abusive relationships. But when I here "She slipped and fell" my first thoughs are, You're lying .

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

The victim has two witnesses. It could also be her friends though who weren't there at the time. But I believe charges are going to be filed.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/201003/...lice_report.pdf

 

[Kenny Powers]

The victim has two witnesses. It could also be her friends though who weren't there at the time. But I believe charges are going to be filed.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/201003/...lice_report.pdf

Great link with blacked out info :X Lots of Patsies fans starting to say their mind on this looks like too

 

[beavers]

Steeler fans: will you still wear your Super Bowl T-shirts from your two most recent championships with pride if this turns out to be true? Keep in mind that you're the same bunch that have claimed for years that you couldn't have won those Super Bowls with any other QB aside from Roethlisberger.

Absolutely. Why wouldn't I?If Ben did sexually assault the girl, he deserves everything he gets for it. But that has nothing to do with what the Steelers accomplished. Are you still proud of the Patriots' championships after the Spygate scandal? I mean, that was cheating that likely directly impacted the games being played. There will be fewer people wearing Roethlisberger jerseys, but that's about it.Ben's an idiot. Whether he's found guilty or not, whether he did it or not, he's an idiot. He's an awesome quarterback and if nothing comes of this, he'll be the Steelers QB for the better part of the next decade. But to carry on this way was irresponsible and stupid, and he has no one to blame but himself.To me, it's clear where this is heading. Ben says that any physical evidence is a result of consentual sexual contact, the girl claims she was drunk and assaulted. It becomes a he said/she said thing and I have no idea what "proof" there can be either way. People will believe what they want, but legally, I'll be interested to see what evidence there can be. Since the burden of proof in a criminal trial is on the accuser, I'm not sure how she can prove anything in a case like this unless there's something clear on a surveilance video. I can see it ending up in civil court at some point.This is unreal.

Why wouldn't you? I guess because you'd be celebrating an achievement that you wouldn't/couldn't have accomplished (according to what we've been hearing from Steelers fans over the past few years) without the help of a scumbag rapist (assuming he's guilty, which is the premise of my question). Not only did he help the Steelers win, but he was perhaps their most valuable player, and certainly has been the face of the team (sorry, Hines Ward and Troy Polamalu). No one would ever be able to think of the 00s Steelers or their two most recent Super Bowl Championships again without thinking of Roethlisberger.I don't see how the comparison to Spygate is valid. What the Patriots did was cheat at a game. It has been argued by objective football people that the taping brought little value and that they were far from the only team that was doing what they were doing. Agree or disagree, there is at least a reasonable debate to be had. What Roethlisberger did (again, assuming he's guilty) is obviously far, far worse, and I don't think anyone would be standing up to defend or justify his actions. Someone else brought up Ray Lewis and the Ravens. A better comparison, but still not entirely valid. What if Ray Lewis had been charged with and found guilty of murder (like he probably should have been)? If that had been the case, I do think it would definitely have cast a shadow over the Ravens' Super Bowl win.I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Tom Brady was twice accused of sexual assault/rape and once found guilty, I would bury all of my Brady-era Patriots stuff in the backyard and never bring up those tainted glory days again.Am I being overly dramatic in stating that the Steelers franchise and their two most recent Super Bowls are currently on the verge of being completely disgraced (certainly not from a football perspective, but from a human perspective)? Serious question. I don't believe I am.Colts fans: how would you react if Peyton Manning was found guilty of this sort of thing?

I'm all for throwing Ben to the curb if guilty, but to not wear a Super Bowl shirt is just silly talk. And who claimed Ben was a part of the 2005 SB??? This makes no sense. If anything, Spygate is directly related to the outcome vs. Ben being a rapist (if guilty) years after the fact (and not related to the outcome). I'd stop wearing my Pat's SB gear if I were a fan because that has a direct impact on the game. It's just like Barry Bonds and HGH. It's called cheating.If Ben is guilty, I will throw away his jersey and any reference to Ben, not any reference to a SB.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Steeler fans: will you still wear your Super Bowl T-shirts from your two most recent championships with pride if this turns out to be true? Keep in mind that you're the same bunch that have claimed for years that you couldn't have won those Super Bowls with any other QB aside from Roethlisberger.

Absolutely. Why wouldn't I?If Ben did sexually assault the girl, he deserves everything he gets for it. But that has nothing to do with what the Steelers accomplished. Are you still proud of the Patriots' championships after the Spygate scandal? I mean, that was cheating that likely directly impacted the games being played. There will be fewer people wearing Roethlisberger jerseys, but that's about it.Ben's an idiot. Whether he's found guilty or not, whether he did it or not, he's an idiot. He's an awesome quarterback and if nothing comes of this, he'll be the Steelers QB for the better part of the next decade. But to carry on this way was irresponsible and stupid, and he has no one to blame but himself.To me, it's clear where this is heading. Ben says that any physical evidence is a result of consentual sexual contact, the girl claims she was drunk and assaulted. It becomes a he said/she said thing and I have no idea what "proof" there can be either way. People will believe what they want, but legally, I'll be interested to see what evidence there can be. Since the burden of proof in a criminal trial is on the accuser, I'm not sure how she can prove anything in a case like this unless there's something clear on a surveilance video. I can see it ending up in civil court at some point.This is unreal.

Why wouldn't you? I guess because you'd be celebrating an achievement that you wouldn't/couldn't have accomplished (according to what we've been hearing from Steelers fans over the past few years) without the help of a scumbag rapist (assuming he's guilty, which is the premise of my question). Not only did he help the Steelers win, but he was perhaps their most valuable player, and certainly has been the face of the team (sorry, Hines Ward and Troy Polamalu). No one would ever be able to think of the 00s Steelers or their two most recent Super Bowl Championships again without thinking of Roethlisberger.I don't see how the comparison to Spygate is valid. What the Patriots did was cheat at a game. It has been argued by objective football people that the taping brought little value and that they were far from the only team that was doing what they were doing. Agree or disagree, there is at least a reasonable debate to be had. What Roethlisberger did (again, assuming he's guilty) is obviously far, far worse, and I don't think anyone would be standing up to defend or justify his actions. Someone else brought up Ray Lewis and the Ravens. A better comparison, but still not entirely valid. What if Ray Lewis had been charged with and found guilty of murder (like he probably should have been)? If that had been the case, I do think it would definitely have cast a shadow over the Ravens' Super Bowl win.I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Tom Brady was twice accused of sexual assault/rape and once found guilty, I would bury all of my Brady-era Patriots stuff in the backyard and never bring up those tainted glory days again.Am I being overly dramatic in stating that the Steelers franchise and their two most recent Super Bowls are currently on the verge of being completely disgraced (certainly not from a football perspective, but from a human perspective)? Serious question. I don't believe I am.Colts fans: how would you react if Peyton Manning was found guilty of this sort of thing?

Please. Stop. Posting.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

Legal beagles please chime in, but how would it benefit ben to withold DNA? If there is a case here, won't the authorities be able to get a court order for it? Not like his DNA will change over time. Why not cooperate here, what's the downside?

Well, he probably should have withheld his DNA the other night, but I don't gather that that's what you're asking.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Am I reading this right? It sounds like Steeler fans would trade finding out their QB is a rapist after the fact if it meant they'd get 2 SB's out of the deal.

 

[Godsbrother]

Am I reading this right? It sounds like Steeler fans would trade finding out their QB is a rapist after the fact if it meant they'd get 2 SB's out of the deal.

Lot of going on here.What happened last week was off the field and has no bearing on the SB wins or anything else the Steelers or Ben Roethlisberger achieved on the field.

 

[pantherclub]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

 

[Godsbrother]

Legal beagles please chime in, but how would it benefit ben to withold DNA? If there is a case here, won't the authorities be able to get a court order for it? Not like his DNA will change over time. Why not cooperate here, what's the downside?

There's always a chance, however slim, that a judge will not agree there's probable cause. No reason to give it up until he's ordered to do so.

Even if you are completely innocent there are a lot of reasons why you don't volunteer any more information than absolutely necessary to the police. Someone in the FFA posted

of a law school professor and police officer explaining why this is so.

 

[Godsbrother]

Another drive-by from me. I don't care about the details, or what anyone other Steeler fans thinks.Roethlisberger is guilty.He's never had a meaningful relationship with ANY woman through college and now pro's. I know two women that have refused his advances, and he referred to them in terms that rhymes with bunt or a water retaining device that rhymes with tyke. He has no respect for anyone of the opposite sex.Surrounded by friends and off duty policemen as body guards, he found a way to get alone with a woman, and it didn't turn out well.He doesn't care, until afterward.

I absolutely care about details. I have known a lot of guys that are absolute ***holes when it comes to women. That doesn't mean they are guilty of sexual assault. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and you may be 100% right but I don't see the downside in waiting for the facts to come to light.And most Steelers fans are extremely pissed at Roethlisberger right now for just getting himself in these situations. Iif the evidence shows that he assualted the woman then I hope he never plays another down of football for the Steelers or any other team.

 

[Godsbrother]

The victim has two witnesses. It could also be her friends though who weren't there at the time. But I believe charges are going to be filed.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/201003/...lice_report.pdf

Great link with blacked out info

I know we discussed it before but the thing that really stands out on that the police report describes the perp as 6'5", 241 lbs. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the story is true but I find it really odd.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

The victim has two witnesses. It could also be her friends though who weren't there at the time. But I believe charges are going to be filed.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/201003/...lice_report.pdf

Great link with blacked out info

I know we discussed it before but the thing that really stands out on that the police report describes the perp as 6'5", 241 lbs. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the story is true but I find it really odd.

For all you know the cops went and checked online themselves for the height and weight info after they established that Ben was there and showed her a pic of Ben which she identified.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Easily that sort of info comes up in casual conversation with someone who is that tall and, let's say, self-absorbed as the suspect in question here. I can totally see him bragging about his height and weight. "He said he was 6'5, 241 pounds."

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Am I being overly dramatic in stating that the Steelers franchise and their two most recent Super Bowls are currently on the verge of being completely disgraced

What the Patriots did was cheat at a game. It has been argued by objective football people that the taping brought little value

Oh, lord this is rich.

 

[B-Deep]

my question is if this ends up going away, CAN ben adjust his behaivor. AS a Steelers fan that would be a real concern. Contrary to what most people here say we don't know what happened, nor what the outcome will be. But if we give him the benefit of the doubt, then at very least he seems to have a nack for finding women that misinterpret him and/or have alterior motives. One accusation was not enough for him to modify his behavior. Will a 2nd be enough if nothing more comes of it?

That's my thought on his long term status. If he did this he obviously could be screwed long trm from a football perspective, but even if he didn't, can he change course?

Some people are such knucklheads that they cannot.

 

[HellToupee]

my question is if this ends up going away, CAN ben adjust his behaivor. AS a Steelers fan that would be a real concern. Contrary to what most people here say we don't know what happened, nor what the outcome will be. But if we give him the benefit of the doubt, then at very least he seems to have a nack for finding women that misinterpret him and/or have alterior motives. One accusation was not enough for him to modify his behavior. Will a 2nd be enough if nothing more comes of it?That's my thought on his long term status. If he did this he obviously could be screwed long trm from a football perspective, but even if he didn't, can he change course?Some people are such knucklheads that they cannot.

I would imagine the Rooney's are trying to come up with an answer to this question

 

[Godsbrother]

The victim has two witnesses. It could also be her friends though who weren't there at the time. But I believe charges are going to be filed.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/201003/...lice_report.pdf

Great link with blacked out info

I know we discussed it before but the thing that really stands out on that the police report describes the perp as 6'5", 241 lbs. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the story is true but I find it really odd.

For all you know the cops went and checked online themselves for the height and weight info after they established that Ben was there and showed her a pic of Ben which she identified.

That is one possible scenario but it would be poor police work. The victim is supposed to is supposed to supply the information, not the police.

 

[Godsbrother]

Easily that sort of info comes up in casual conversation with someone who is that tall and, let's say, self-absorbed as the suspect in question here. I can totally see him bragging about his height and weight. "He said he was 6'5, 241 pounds."

Possibly althogh I wonder if even Ben knew his weight on nfl.com.

 

[Godsbrother]

my question is if this ends up going away, CAN ben adjust his behaivor. AS a Steelers fan that would be a real concern. Contrary to what most people here say we don't know what happened, nor what the outcome will be. But if we give him the benefit of the doubt, then at very least he seems to have a nack for finding women that misinterpret him and/or have alterior motives. One accusation was not enough for him to modify his behavior. Will a 2nd be enough if nothing more comes of it?That's my thought on his long term status. If he did this he obviously could be screwed long trm from a football perspective, but even if he didn't, can he change course?Some people are such knucklheads that they cannot.

Recent events would seem to suggest that this has been SOP for Roethlisberger for some time. If he didn't learn anything from the incident in Reno he may well be a knuckleheard for life.

 

[JetMaxx]

Am I being overly dramatic in stating that the Steelers franchise and their two most recent Super Bowls are currently on the verge of being completely disgraced

What the Patriots did was cheat at a game. It has been argued by objective football people that the taping brought little value

Oh, lord this is rich.

I'm not here to excuse Roeth but to see a Pats fan bring that to the table is a joke.

 

[Mile High]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her head against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

 

[pantherclub]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

 

[HellToupee]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

She could have been so scared she was quiet. Maybe the club was so loud that a scream gets lost in the noise/music. Who knows

 

[Mile High]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

She could have been so scared she was quiet. Maybe the club was so loud that a scream gets lost in the noise/music. Who knows

Agree. Who knows. Maybe being grabbed and having her head slammed against a wall stunned her and she has shocked it happened so fast.

 

[Godsbrother]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

She could have been so scared she was quiet. Maybe the club was so loud that a scream gets lost in the noise/music. Who knows

We just don't know. With the little we know right now Ben could be a rapist/woman beater, the woman could be a golddigger or the reality may be somewhere in between.

 

[JaxBill]

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

Of course, it's also in the best interest for these cops for this whole thing to just go away, too. Not calling them liars, just want to bring up the fact that they have a stake in this. Kinda like Steve Williams saying he never saw anything going on with Tiger.

 

[Mile High]

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

Of course, it's also in the best interest for these cops for this whole thing to just go away, too. Not calling them liars, just want to bring up the fact that they have a stake in this. Kinda like Steve Williams saying he never saw anything going on with Tiger.

Maybe girls slipping and falling isn't unusual around Ben. Well that's not fair. I'm guessing they didn't see anything, so what else can that say.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

We just don't know. With the little we know right now Ben could be a rapist/woman beater, the woman could be a golddigger or the reality may be somewhere in between.

This.

Was it reported yet that two off duty PA police were with Ben and his group? They reported seeing nothing unusual.

Of course, it's also in the best interest for these cops for this whole thing to just go away, too. Not calling them liars, just want to bring up the fact that they have a stake in this. Kinda like Steve Williams saying he never saw anything going on with Tiger.

It's worth mentioning that even though they were off duty, if those cops saw something wrong happening and didn't assist the police investigation by reporting it they could still lose their jobs. I wouldn't at all regard them as objective observers here, and that's even if you ignore that they were on Ben's payroll.

 

[pantherclub]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

She could have been so scared she was quiet. Maybe the club was so loud that a scream gets lost in the noise/music. Who knows

good point. How about this, assuming he did it wouldnt he high tail it out of there asap? So if it comes out that he and his crew left immediately after the bathroom incident that would be telling to me.

 

[pantherclub]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

She could have been so scared she was quiet. Maybe the club was so loud that a scream gets lost in the noise/music. Who knows

We just don't know. With the little we know right now Ben could be a rapist/woman beater, the woman could be a golddigger or the reality may be somewhere in between.

Based on the facts that we know I really dont think this is the case. She would have to put together a plan really quickly and have her story airtight before she went to the cops. By all accounts she immediately went to the cops and the hospital. Plus who the hell wants that type of publicity? I am not saying he is guilty but I am saying I doubt she is making all of this up for money.

 

[HellToupee]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

She could have been so scared she was quiet. Maybe the club was so loud that a scream gets lost in the noise/music. Who knows

We just don't know. With the little we know right now Ben could be a rapist/woman beater, the woman could be a golddigger or the reality may be somewhere in between.

the only thing I think we do know is Ben has an incredible lack of judgement

 

[gianmarco]

I have hooked up with a lot of girls in my day. Tons of them all shapes and sizes. In every place imaginable, bathrooms, closets porta johns etc. But for the life of me I cannot get a visual picture of what could have went down in the bathroom. Were they hooking up in the bathroom at first consensually, then things got heated really fast and she all of a sudden stopped then he got mad? Seems too much like a bad lifetime movie, there has to be a piece of the story missing. Just assuming he is guilty for a second does anyone think he slammed her head against something or pushed her down? Wouldnt she yell out? Somethings smells here.

While we don't know for sure, the leaked reports of her slipping and falling is what Roethlisberger said happened. Her version of how she got that bruise on the face or bump on the head most likely is different. And yes I can see him getting mad and slamming her heard against something. There's probably a guy slamming his girls head against something as I type. It happens a lot, everyday.

Lets pretend he did that for a second. Wouldnt she go ballistic, wouldnt she be screaming at the top of her lungs and making a huge scene? I have never pushed, hit slammed or knocked a girl down so I dont know the protocol here.

She could have been so scared she was quiet. Maybe the club was so loud that a scream gets lost in the noise/music. Who knows

good point. How about this, assuming he did it wouldnt he high tail it out of there asap? So if it comes out that he and his crew left immediately after the bathroom incident that would be telling to me.

Not if he doesn't see anything wrong with it. If you're slamming a girl's head into something, methinks your decision making ability isn't stellar to begin with.Ben's friend: "You did WHAT?!!? Again? Dude, we gotta go"Ben: "Umm, I haven't finished my drink yet. And check out that hottie over in the corner"

 

[Idiot Boxer]

We just don't know. With the little we know right now Ben could be a rapist/woman beater, the woman could be a golddigger or the reality may be somewhere in between.

Based on the facts that we know I really dont think this is the case. She would have to put together a plan really quickly and have her story airtight before she went to the cops. By all accounts she immediately went to the cops and the hospital. Plus who the hell wants that type of publicity? I am not saying he is guilty but I am saying I doubt she is making all of this up for money.

I don't know. They entourage had been there all night. For all we know, she and her friends were sitting out front and heard the story of Big Ben hanging out in the VIP room. Maybe they know of his troubles in Reno. They (or she) decides this is an opportunity. They check out Ben's profile on their iPhones and work hard shaking their tails to get invited back to the VIP room. A little heavy flirtation with Mr. Ben to get him all interested, a little 'come-hither' on the way to the ladies room. Some more dna gathering in the ladies room and a stop short. A little choreographed slip and fall. "Whoops, I'm so clumsy, let me go get some ice for this..." An hour later the cops show up looking for a "6'5", 241 lb" sex offender.

 

[pantherclub]

We just don't know. With the little we know right now Ben could be a rapist/woman beater, the woman could be a golddigger or the reality may be somewhere in between.

Based on the facts that we know I really dont think this is the case. She would have to put together a plan really quickly and have her story airtight before she went to the cops. By all accounts she immediately went to the cops and the hospital. Plus who the hell wants that type of publicity? I am not saying he is guilty but I am saying I doubt she is making all of this up for money.

I don't know. They entourage had been there all night. For all we know, she and her friends were sitting out front and heard the story of Big Ben hanging out in the VIP room. Maybe they know of his troubles in Reno. They (or she) decides this is an opportunity. They check out Ben's profile on their iPhones and work hard shaking their tails to get invited back to the VIP room. A little heavy flirtation with Mr. Ben to get him all interested, a little 'come-hither' on the way to the ladies room. Some more dna gathering in the ladies room and a stop short. A little choreographed slip and fall. "Whoops, I'm so clumsy, let me go get some ice for this..." An hour later the cops show up looking for a "6'5", 241 lb" sex offender.

wow dude

 

[Idiot Boxer]

We just don't know. With the little we know right now Ben could be a rapist/woman beater, the woman could be a golddigger or the reality may be somewhere in between.

Based on the facts that we know I really dont think this is the case. She would have to put together a plan really quickly and have her story airtight before she went to the cops. By all accounts she immediately went to the cops and the hospital. Plus who the hell wants that type of publicity? I am not saying he is guilty but I am saying I doubt she is making all of this up for money.

I don't know. They entourage had been there all night. For all we know, she and her friends were sitting out front and heard the story of Big Ben hanging out in the VIP room. Maybe they know of his troubles in Reno. They (or she) decides this is an opportunity. They check out Ben's profile on their iPhones and work hard shaking their tails to get invited back to the VIP room. A little heavy flirtation with Mr. Ben to get him all interested, a little 'come-hither' on the way to the ladies room. Some more dna gathering in the ladies room and a stop short. A little choreographed slip and fall. "Whoops, I'm so clumsy, let me go get some ice for this..." An hour later the cops show up looking for a "6'5", 241 lb" sex offender.

wow dude

Not saying it happened, just that you're foolish to dismiss it.

 

[Scooby1974]

If Ben slammed her head into the wall/pushed her/etc she was most likely scared to death. Both scared of Ben, but also of his posse hanging out near him. She was not in a position of power, so flipping out and screaming probably would have resulted in them grabbing her and trying to shut her up.

I hope Ben gets locked up for a bit for one of three reasons. 1. He's guilty. 2. He's flat stupid and we don't need him on the loose. 3. He needs some sense knocked into his thick skull before he throws his, or someone else's life away (see Burress, Plaxico).