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Roy Williams (Dal) = Leg Crusher (1 Viewer)

It's amazing what an injury to football player can bring out in people. People injuries is part of the game. I hate to see any player get hurt even if it's TO. Personally TO has never done anything to me, my wife, or my family so I have no ill will towards this guy. TO biggest crime (if it's a crime at all) is his mouth and it bothers people because he has the ability to back it up. Now I'm a Cowboy fan, but never, never has injury to a person be rejoiced. Hell, I wish him the best of recoveries even if Philly is our rival.Just my two cents. Tex

 
While I'm sure we'll never know if he has intent to injure, the technique does appear to be dangerous. If the NFL finds it to be dangerous they may very well act.I don't believe it's mere coincidence that three guys were severely injured by the same tackling technique. If he has to resort to grabbing the BACK of the pads, he's got himself in a poor position. I've seen plenty of guys able to grab a runner around the waist from that position and bring them down. To grab the pads and swing your body into the back of the runners legs looks to be a cheap shot to me. Similar to leg whipping or crack back blocks. There was a crack back called last night. Didn't look very serious, but the rule was enforced.These guys were knocked out for the season by this technique. TO may very well have permanent damage to his ankle. Fractured bone, torn ligaments, high ankle sprain. Is this lame ### technique that y'all defend worth ruining a guy's career over? You seem to make him out to be some wild man who flies around taking guys out with good technique. News flash, Jack Tatum was an wild man. This guy Williams has to resort to some punk ### knee clipping method because he can't get himself in the proper tackling position because he's too slow, too stupid or too lazy.That should stir the natives up. ;)
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If you think Roy has bad technique, you obviously haven't played much football, understand the safety position, and/or seen much of him play. The guy is a straight-up baller who has terrific tackling technique. I know, I know...You fantasy numbers geeks wouldn't understand.
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That, is a personal attack, little boy, and not appreciated. You have no idea who I am, what my football experience is, or my knowledge level of the game.OTOH, it's clear that YOU don't know proper tackling techniques that have been taught for years. I don't recall the "grab the pads and swing your punk ### into his legs" being taught in all my years.You seem to be some Roy Williams homer who doesn't like him being called a punk. Or is it a Sooner homer? Is that where he went to school? Hell, that explains it all!He's a punk little boy, get used to it.
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:rotflmao: Whatever, dude. I think the scouts might agree with me more than you: Roy is a ridiculously good/intimidating safety."Williams is big and physical, he is athletic, he loves to play in the box and at times his playing style is more like a linebacker than a safety. Loves to attack vs. the run, not only is he a good tackler, but he is a punishing tackler. He is obviously at his best when he can play near the line of scrimmage and disrupt opposing offenses with his attacking angles. Can cover TE's and backs in man to man situations, takes pretty good angles to the ball, he breaks down well in the open field, he gets a good jump on the ball, and he reads his keys and seems to have good reactions. He does not have elite speed, but if he does get out of position, he will struggle a little bit to turn and run and catch up on some deep routes. If he can become a little smoother as a man to man cover guy, Williams could be the most complete safety in the NFL."-Football Scouts Inc.
 
Geez, takes you Roy Williams a long time to think about a reply.Is that an indication of his defenders mental abilities? :ph34r:

 
Whatever, dude. I think the scouts might agree with me more than you: Roy is a ridiculously good/intimidating safety."Williams is big and physical, he is athletic, he loves to play in the box and at times his playing style is more like a linebacker than a safety. Loves to attack vs. the run, not only is he a good tackler, but he is a punishing tackler. He is obviously at his best when he can play near the line of scrimmage and disrupt opposing offenses with his attacking angles. Can cover TE's and backs in man to man situations, takes pretty good angles to the ball, he breaks down well in the open field, he gets a good jump on the ball, and he reads his keys and seems to have good reactions. He does not have elite speed, but if he does get out of position, he will struggle a little bit to turn and run and catch up on some deep routes. If he can become a little smoother as a man to man cover guy, Williams could be the most complete safety in the NFL."-Football Scouts Inc.
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Took you a while to look that one up, eh?So he's got some skill. So why resort to a cheap shot to make a tackle?
 
But if it's deemed dangerous, it should be ruled as such and made illegal.
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If it's deemed dangerous?Pigskin, you ever play football? Playing the game is dangerous. Maybe we should just put a halt to the sport on your account.
 
There's no way Roy Williams meant to hurt TO. It's disappointing that TO is hurt and I hope he gets back for the Super Bowl.There's nobody, nobody in the NFC besides a healthy Philly that can compete with the AFC in the Super Bowl. So if you're a fan of football, you'll hope that TO comes back and is healthy for the Super Bowl, otherwise, the AFC Championship game will be the real Super Bowl.

 
Whatever, dude. I think the scouts might agree with me more than you: Roy is a ridiculously good/intimidating safety."Williams is big and physical, he is athletic, he loves to play in the box and at times his playing style is more like a linebacker than a safety. Loves to attack vs. the run, not only is he a good tackler, but he is a punishing tackler. He is obviously at his best when he can play near the line of scrimmage and disrupt opposing offenses with his attacking angles. Can cover TE's and backs in man to man situations, takes pretty good angles to the ball, he breaks down well in the open field, he gets a good jump on the ball, and he reads his keys and seems to have good reactions. He does not have elite speed, but if he does get out of position, he will struggle a little bit to turn and run and catch up on some deep routes. If he can become a little smoother as a man to man cover guy, Williams could be the most complete safety in the NFL."-Football Scouts Inc.
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Took you a while to look that one up, eh?So he's got some skill. So why resort to a cheap shot to make a tackle?
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A cheap shot? Well, that about seals it for me.Enjoy your knitting class, pigskin. You sound more like a football mom than a football fan.
 
But if it's deemed dangerous, it should be ruled as such and made illegal.
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If it's deemed dangerous?Pigskin, you ever play football? Playing the game is dangerous. Maybe we should just put a halt to the sport on your account.
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You're running out of arguments cobalt. that's the second time you've questioned my football knowledge.Come on man...I know it's early in the morning. Get the ol' gray matter cooking.Football is dangerous. No freakin' ####. That's a revelation.But punk ### technique that can injure players is just that. Punk ### and should be stopped.
 
There's no way Roy Williams meant to hurt TO. It's disappointing that TO is hurt and I hope he gets back for the Super Bowl.There's nobody, nobody in the NFC besides a healthy Philly that can compete with the AFC in the Super Bowl. So if you're a fan of football, you'll hope that TO comes back and is healthy for the Super Bowl, otherwise, the AFC Championship game will be the real Super Bowl.
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Whatever, dude.  I think the scouts might agree with me more than you:  Roy is a ridiculously good/intimidating safety."Williams is big and physical, he is athletic, he loves to play in the box and at times his playing style is more like a linebacker than a safety. Loves to attack vs. the run, not only is he a good tackler, but he is a punishing tackler. He is obviously at his best when he can play near the line of scrimmage and disrupt opposing offenses with his attacking angles. Can cover TE's and backs in man to man situations, takes pretty good angles to the ball, he breaks down well in the open field, he gets a good jump on the ball, and he reads his keys and seems to have good reactions. He does not have elite speed, but if he does get out of position, he will struggle a little bit to turn and run and catch up on some deep routes. If he can become a little smoother as a man to man cover guy, Williams could be the most complete safety in the NFL."-Football Scouts Inc.
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Took you a while to look that one up, eh?So he's got some skill. So why resort to a cheap shot to make a tackle?
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A cheap shot? Well, that about seals it for me.Enjoy your knitting class, pigskin. You sound more like a football mom than a football fan.
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No, I'm a soccer mom...are you ready for your morning practice on the pitch dear? Get your shin gardes on! Let's go cobalt! :devil:
 
But if it's deemed dangerous, it should be ruled as such and made illegal.
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If it's deemed dangerous?Pigskin, you ever play football? Playing the game is dangerous. Maybe we should just put a halt to the sport on your account.
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You're running out of arguments cobalt. that's the second time you've questioned my football knowledge.Come on man...I know it's early in the morning. Get the ol' gray matter cooking.Football is dangerous. No freakin' ####. That's a revelation.But punk ### technique that can injure players is just that. Punk ### and should be stopped.
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Well, your point is that if it's deemed to be dangerous, then it should be ruled illegal. I'm not only questioning your football acumen, I'm questioning how bound you are to your own deductive reasoning.
 
But if it's deemed dangerous, it should be ruled as such and made illegal.
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If it's deemed dangerous?Pigskin, you ever play football? Playing the game is dangerous. Maybe we should just put a halt to the sport on your account.
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You're running out of arguments cobalt. that's the second time you've questioned my football knowledge.Come on man...I know it's early in the morning. Get the ol' gray matter cooking.Football is dangerous. No freakin' ####. That's a revelation.But punk ### technique that can injure players is just that. Punk ### and should be stopped.
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Well, your point is that if it's deemed to be dangerous, then it should be ruled illegal. I'm not only questioning your football acumen, I'm questioning how bound you are to your own deductive reasoning.
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Ah come on, I'm just yankin' your chain. Kind of a slow morning. ;) Nothing personal...just having fun.I'm sorry to see anyone get hurt, even TO. While he's a loud mouth, I love his skill. He's a joy to watch.As for Roy I know he's a player and don't believe he had intent on any of these tackles. And as Slash pointed out, a tackle is what ever it takes to get the guy down, as long as it's legal.It was fun guys...I got a chuckle out of it. I hope you all have a good morning!
 
But if it's deemed dangerous, it should be ruled as such and made illegal.
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If it's deemed dangerous?Pigskin, you ever play football? Playing the game is dangerous. Maybe we should just put a halt to the sport on your account.
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You're running out of arguments cobalt. that's the second time you've questioned my football knowledge.Come on man...I know it's early in the morning. Get the ol' gray matter cooking.Football is dangerous. No freakin' ####. That's a revelation.But punk ### technique that can injure players is just that. Punk ### and should be stopped.
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Well, your point is that if it's deemed to be dangerous, then it should be ruled illegal. I'm not only questioning your football acumen, I'm questioning how bound you are to your own deductive reasoning.
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Ah come on, I'm just yankin' your chain. Kind of a slow morning. ;) Nothing personal...just having fun.I'm sorry to see anyone get hurt, even TO. While he's a loud mouth, I love his skill. He's a joy to watch.As for Roy I know he's a player and don't believe he had intent on any of these tackles. And as Slash pointed out, a tackle is what ever it takes to get the guy down, as long as it's legal.It was fun guys...I got a chuckle out of it. I hope you all have a good morning!
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Fishing's a fun sport. ;)
 


I don't like to see anyone get injured, but being a huge Cowboys fan I reflect back when Michael Irvin was lying there suffering from a serious injury and the fans of the Eagles standing and applauding the injury to Irvin. Well how does it feel now? Watching Roy Williams yank T.O down the only way Roy knows how was classic in your face Philly fans. I know Irvin's career was over with his injury, but for one instance I was torn between that is too bad that he's hurt, but on the flip side I was feeling payback to all those who stood and applauded for an injury that was obviously very serious in nature that a cart had to come out and he had to be strapped in by every limb for support. Even though T.O walked off and Irvin had to be carted off it was still sweet to see all those Philly fans concerned. How does that feel now Philly fan? Thank you Roy Williams and now I hope the Eagles will suffer in the playoffs because of this. 


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JCOOL, you're a typical COWGIRL FAN...YOU Are all a bunch of front-runnin' ####*&$.....Michael Irvin was a jerk, is a jerk, and will always be a jerk.....If it had been Emmit Smith or Troy Aikman there wouldn't have been the response that Irvin got....(Deion Sanders yes)

Without TO the Eagles will still make it to the the Super Bowl because there isn't a team in the NFC that can play with the BIRDS...

Don't FEED me any Michael Vick crap either, The last time he came into Philly for a playoff game, Brian Dawkins almost decapitated him.....

So go back to Dallas where all they got is steers and queers and I don't think you have any horns.........................
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T.O is the biggest fricken idiot playing football today period. Comparing Michael Irvin to T.O is a completely ridiculous on your part. T.O runs his mouth more than anyone that has ever played football. He is a great talent, but his mouth get's him in trouble and looking back on my first comment and looking at responses that that was a cheapshot is hilarious. Where does it say that you cannot tackle a player by grabbing the back of the players jersey and yank the opponent to the ground. Roy is a beast! He plays wish lot's of passion ans play's very hard in every aspect of the safety position. He plays in coverage, at the line of scrimmage, and when he meets his opponent he puts everything he has into his hits. If they want to make a film on how to tackle and square your shoulders at impact all you need is a film on Roy. He is the most complete safety in football and will go down as one of the best. He is not only a great player on the field but off the field he does many good things for the community. Anyone here would love to have a player and a person that Roy Williams is on his or her team. I hope T.O does get well soon and I know Roy feels the same way. Remember the star T.O? Good luck Philly fan with Pinky you are going to need it.
 


I don't like to see anyone get injured, but being a huge Cowboys fan I reflect back when Michael Irvin was lying there suffering from a serious injury and the fans of the Eagles standing and applauding the injury to Irvin. Well how does it feel now? Watching Roy Williams yank T.O down the only way Roy knows how was classic in your face Philly fans. I know Irvin's career was over with his injury, but for one instance I was torn between that is too bad that he's hurt, but on the flip side I was feeling payback to all those who stood and applauded for an injury that was obviously very serious in nature that a cart had to come out and he had to be strapped in by every limb for support. Even though T.O walked off and Irvin had to be carted off it was still sweet to see all those Philly fans concerned. How does that feel now Philly fan? Thank you Roy Williams and now I hope the Eagles will suffer in the playoffs because of this. 


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JCOOL, you're a typical COWGIRL FAN...YOU Are all a bunch of front-runnin' ####*&$.....Michael Irvin was a jerk, is a jerk, and will always be a jerk.....If it had been Emmit Smith or Troy Aikman there wouldn't have been the response that Irvin got....(Deion Sanders yes)

Without TO the Eagles will still make it to the the Super Bowl because there isn't a team in the NFC that can play with the BIRDS...

Don't FEED me any Michael Vick crap either, The last time he came into Philly for a playoff game, Brian Dawkins almost decapitated him.....

So go back to Dallas where all they got is steers and queers and I don't think you have any horns.........................
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T.O is the biggest fricken idiot playing football today period. Comparing Michael Irvin to T.O is a completely ridiculous on your part. T.O runs his mouth more than anyone that has ever played football. He is a great talent, but his mouth get's him in trouble and looking back on my first comment and looking at responses that that was a cheapshot is hilarious. Where does it say that you cannot tackle a player by grabbing the back of the players jersey and yank the opponent to the ground. Roy is a beast! He plays wish lot's of passion ans play's very hard in every aspect of the safety position. He plays in coverage, at the line of scrimmage, and when he meets his opponent he puts everything he has into his hits. If they want to make a film on how to tackle and square your shoulders at impact all you need is a film on Roy. He is the most complete safety in football and will go down as one of the best. He is not only a great player on the field but off the field he does many good things for the community. Anyone here would love to have a player and a person that Roy Williams is on his or her team. I hope T.O does get well soon and I know Roy feels the same way. Remember the star T.O? Good luck Philly fan with Pinky you are going to need it.
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Not sure where all the venom is coming from........as a diehard Cowboy fan I am not happy Roy hurt TO. If you're upset at Philly fans for acting inappropriately when he got hurt, then why are you doing it now?Michael Irvin was a great wide receiver and Dallas needed his leadership on the offense. It took the entire Dallas team to beat good 49er, Bills,Eagle, and Packer teams in the early to mid 90's. Not sure where the TO/Irvin debate is going. Irvin has 3 rings.

 
Come on guys, it's just bad luck on TO's part.Being tackled like that is pretty dangerous, but it's not limited to Roy Williams. Heck, Priest Holmes' season ended with a tackle like that 2 years ago, and Roy Williams was not in it (I think it was O'Neal when he was a Bronco). It ended up messing up his hip. Everyone knows Roy Williams is a big hitter, and the same could be said for Rodney Harrison as well. How does one deal with being tackled (or yanked) like that is the real issue. It seems like if the player fights against being tackled like that, he's going to be hurt pretty bad with the resistence being put up. If he lets up, he could be okay. With the adereline pumping in, it might be hard to learn.

 
Come on guys, it's just bad luck on TO's part.Being tackled like that is pretty dangerous, but it's not limited to Roy Williams. Heck, Priest Holmes' season ended with a tackle like that 2 years ago, and Roy Williams was not in it (I think it was O'Neal when he was a Bronco). It ended up messing up his hip. Everyone knows Roy Williams is a big hitter, and the same could be said for Rodney Harrison as well. How does one deal with being tackled (or yanked) like that is the real issue. It seems like if the player fights against being tackled like that, he's going to be hurt pretty bad with the resistence being put up. If he lets up, he could be okay. With the adereline pumping in, it might be hard to learn.
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:goodposting: Add Michael Vick to the list, who was injured on much the same kind of tackle in the preseason against Baltimore last year.Offensive players in the NFL have scary abilities and you don't always (rarely, even) get a clean shot at them. You gotta grab 'em any which way you can. These kinds of injuries are unfortunate realities of the game.
 
Wow, this blew up!!Again, I'M NOT COMPLAINING...JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT'S HAPPENED MORE THAN ONCE THIS SEASON!! Most that replied have totally missed the intent of this thread...IMO, if you're close enough to reach the top of a guy's shoulderpads, you're close enough to dive and wrap up his legs. I think Roy's doing it with intent (he'd never admit that)...and I like it. We'll see if he does it in the last 2 games...

 
Joe pointed out the same thing about Roy Williams in his "Random Shots" for the week, so I'm not the only one that's noticed... ;)

 
Joe pointed out the same thing about Roy Williams in his "Random Shots" for the week, so I'm not the only one that's noticed... ;)
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Wilbon and Kornheiser talked about Roy taking out Calico and Musa Smith with the same tackle on PTI today, and discussed whether or not the NFL should take a look at it.
 
Found a picture of the Musa Smith tackle for those that missed it...http://www.mustangmods.com/data/34/musasmitchleg.jpgHe basically grabs on and falls on the back of their legs, or just yanks them backwards and folds them up like a pretzel...
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That picture says a lot. IF that's a technique he's using frequently, the intent is clear, and it's more than just making the tackle.Boot. :popcorn:
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Wow, what a clear bit of evidence of intent. Glad you brought this out as evidence of what was going on in Roy's mind as he made the tackle. You can almost see the blueprints and flowcharts spill out of his earhole.Are you Dionne Warwick, or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?*Edited to ask, what the hell is this "boot" business as your sig? That doesn't make you look ridiculous or anything.
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Do you really think its a total coincidence that Roy Williams has ended 3 players' season all on very similar plays? If so, then you're being ridiculous. Obviously, he doesn't have time to think things through while playing- nobody said that. But, there is clearly something about his tackling technique THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT MOST PLAYER'S USE and which leads to injuries.For those asking "What else could he have done?"...go look at a reply of the TO injury...He was right behind TO, and he easily could've dived at him and wrapped him up around his waist or legs. Think about it- You have to be closer to grab somebody's upper body like he did than to simply dive at their legs...so anytime hes done this technique, he could've wrapped up their legs like most players do.Now, I"m not saying he has done anything wrong because there is no rule against it. However, maybe there should be a rule against it.
 
Arguing with stumps...those who say Roy's tackling isn't meant to injure are the same who argued that the hit on McGahee in the Championship wasn't intentional.Look...it's a tough, violent game...and often times in order to be successful, especially on defense...you've got to have the mentality to absolutely brutalize the opponent. Some take it too far...Roy is definitely one in that category. It only takes one tackle like that to cause you to alter your technique...he's cut short some careers and he's still doing it...you can't tell me he's oblivious to what he's doing...how can he do it three times in one season and not realize it? He knows what he's doing...it's simple...grab the shoulder pads and sit down...as long as you don't let go...that guy is going down...no two ways about it...and more times than not...it's going to hurt the legs he's landing on the back of...
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Sometimes it hurts to get tackled. They play football. Get over it.
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So why do we have rule's against grabbing the facemask and chop blocks? By your logic, its just football and these shouldn't be penalties?? Thats insane!
 
But if it's deemed dangerous, it should be ruled as such and made illegal.
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If it's deemed dangerous?Pigskin, you ever play football? Playing the game is dangerous. Maybe we should just put a halt to the sport on your account.
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So let me ask you this:Are you for or against the facemask rule?And if you say that you're for the penalizing of facemask tackles, then you're admitting that some tackles should be regulated. So stop this silly 'its football, injuries happen' argument. Yes, injuries happen and yes its a rough sport. However, the rules are in place to try to minimize injuries when a viable alternative is present.
 
If you watch the replay, Williams' tackle was the best and quickest way to get Owens to the ground and it was LEGAL.
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OMG, this is getting frusterating....We know it IS legal. Facemask tackling was once legal as well...so were chop blocks and head slaps. However, the league determined that they shouldn't be and made a rule change. We are now discussing whether or not this should be against the rules as well.
 
Come on guys, it's just bad luck on TO's part.Being tackled like that is pretty dangerous, but it's not limited to Roy Williams. Heck, Priest Holmes' season ended with a tackle like that 2 years ago, and Roy Williams was not in it (I think it was O'Neal when he was a Bronco). It ended up messing up his hip. Everyone knows Roy Williams is a big hitter, and the same could be said for Rodney Harrison as well. How does one deal with being tackled (or yanked) like that is the real issue. It seems like if the player fights against being tackled like that, he's going to be hurt pretty bad with the resistence being put up. If he lets up, he could be okay. With the adereline pumping in, it might be hard to learn.
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So.....the fact that Priest HOlmes got injured like that and as the post after yours said Michael Vick as well...shouldn't that be even more proof that this type of tackling is extremely dangerous(much more so that usual tackles) and that it merits discussion on whether or not it should be banned?
 
Arguing with stumps...those who say Roy's tackling isn't meant to injure are the same who argued that the hit on McGahee in the Championship wasn't intentional.Look...it's a tough, violent game...and often times in order to be successful, especially on defense...you've got to have the mentality to absolutely brutalize the opponent.  Some take it too far...Roy is definitely one in that category.  It only takes one tackle like that to cause you to alter your technique...he's cut short some careers and he's still doing it...you can't tell me he's oblivious to what he's doing...how can he do it three times in one season and not realize it?  He knows what he's doing...it's simple...grab the shoulder pads and sit down...as long as you don't let go...that guy is going down...no two ways about it...and more times than not...it's going to hurt the legs he's landing on the back of...
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Sometimes it hurts to get tackled. They play football. Get over it.
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So why do we have rule's against grabbing the facemask and chop blocks? By your logic, its just football and these shouldn't be penalties?? Thats insane!
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:goodposting: I agree. The NFL has to look at this because it's not a coincidence. Three different players and teams have been affected by this. I don't know what the outcome should be, but it is a problem...
 
Arguing with stumps...those who say Roy's tackling isn't meant to injure are the same who argued that the hit on McGahee in the Championship wasn't intentional.Look...it's a tough, violent game...and often times in order to be successful, especially on defense...you've got to have the mentality to absolutely brutalize the opponent.  Some take it too far...Roy is definitely one in that category.  It only takes one tackle like that to cause you to alter your technique...he's cut short some careers and he's still doing it...you can't tell me he's oblivious to what he's doing...how can he do it three times in one season and not realize it?  He knows what he's doing...it's simple...grab the shoulder pads and sit down...as long as you don't let go...that guy is going down...no two ways about it...and more times than not...it's going to hurt the legs he's landing on the back of...
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Sometimes it hurts to get tackled. They play football. Get over it.
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So why do we have rule's against grabbing the facemask and chop blocks? By your logic, its just football and these shouldn't be penalties?? Thats insane!
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:goodposting: I agree. The NFL has to look at this because it's not a coincidence. Three different players and teams have been affected by this. I don't know what the outcome should be, but it is a problem...
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Yes, it is a bigger problem than people realize. They have face mask penalties because it can cause neck injuries so I think the NFL should look into making it a penalty to pull some down by their shoulder pads as well. The NFL is getting more and more dangerous and if it wants to keep it's stars (meaning $$$ to the NFL) healthy, it needs to stop this type of tackle.
 
Come on guys, it's just bad luck on TO's part.Being tackled like that is pretty dangerous, but it's not limited to Roy Williams. Heck, Priest Holmes' season ended with a tackle like that 2 years ago, and Roy Williams was not in it (I think it was O'Neal when he was a Bronco). It ended up messing up his hip. Everyone knows Roy Williams is a big hitter, and the same could be said for Rodney Harrison as well. How does one deal with being tackled (or yanked) like that is the real issue. It seems like if the player fights against being tackled like that, he's going to be hurt pretty bad with the resistence being put up. If he lets up, he could be okay. With the adereline pumping in, it might be hard to learn.
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So.....the fact that Priest HOlmes got injured like that and as the post after yours said Michael Vick as well...shouldn't that be even more proof that this type of tackling is extremely dangerous(much more so that usual tackles) and that it merits discussion on whether or not it should be banned?
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I don't mind someone being the hardest hitter in the world, but using part of someone's uniform to bring them down should be penalized. These type of penalties are in place to protect the players and it is good for the games to prevent injuries where possible. It is possible in this case and will not affect the game - players like Roy Williams will just have to learn to tackle properly that's all.
 
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so does a misplaced apostrophe
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Can you also police the people who don't know "loose" from "lose"? [/QUOTE]Yes, please. And, thank you.I've never seen a single word so grossly abused as "lose" has in the Shark Pool. At least half of this community spells it "loose." How does this happen with this word? You'd think they'd have read enough sports pages about how this team lost to that team--how it would be crushing to "lose to..." How did we ever come to construct "loose" in these here parts?

 
Hey... I have an idea... let's have just the offense line up with no D on the field, and give them 10 plays to make it to the endzone. Then we'll switch teams. That way we won't have such violence!!!!Pad tackles are legal and not cheap. Get a grip.And, every coach will teach you NOT to dive at a player to make a tackle unless you have no choice. Keep your feet until you make contact.Ideally you get your head in front of the guy, wrap, and drive him down. But if you're behind him, pad tackle. You see it 20 times a game. If the NFL makes it illegal to tackle up at the pads, then they may as well line up the cheerleaders or go to flags. Hard hitters have always put people out of the game. Roy hits hard. When you have guys as fast and as strong as the NFL players today, there's a hell of a lot of energy dissipated in stopping a huge mass traveling at high speed. That energy often exceeds the yield strength of joints and bones. I don't know how to find stats on it, but it sure seems like injuries in general have increased greatly in the NFL over the last 40 years, even as the safety equipment and safety rules have improved dramatically.Guys like Ronnie Lott (who Roy Williams compares with pretty well at this stage of the game), Jack Lambert, and Lawrence Taylor ended their share of seasons as well. Don't hear a lot of talk about their cheap shots. I'd like to see what the old Steeler D would have done to a WR if he ran out onto the logo at the 50 after scoring on them. He would have never finished another game against them. You do something that stupid and a team will never forget. And, you're going to get hard, and legal. And that's what Roy's hit was. ]Not only that, but get your facts straight... Roy did not land on TO's legs.For those of you that favor a kinder, gentler game, try badminton. :popcorn:

 
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Still have people missing my intent here... :wall: Ditka just showed the 3 tackles by Roy that I've pointed out in this thread...

 
Still have people missing my intent here... :wall: Ditka just showed the 3 tackles by Roy that I've pointed out in this thread...
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Don't worry hank,Most folks know what you and meant there. Don't mind the others.J
 
Found a picture of the Musa Smith tackle for those that missed it...http://www.mustangmods.com/data/34/musasmitchleg.jpgHe basically grabs on and falls on the back of their legs, or just yanks them backwards and folds them up like a pretzel...
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Umm.... well... yes... actually you did say something like that...But I thought it said "AND" yanks back and folds them up like a pretzel instead of "OR" so sorry for misinterpretting which applied to TO.My main point (which I admit wasn't highlighted well) is that Roy isn't the only guy doing it. I made a point of watching for this in games this past weekend (college and pro) and it is EXTREMELY common. 10 tackles a game. No difference in college to pro. You, or Ditka, or whomever, can single out Roy, but the only difference is he's stronger and hits harder or is unlucky. It's widespread. I'd say it's more a luck of the draw thing. If you make any action that causes an injury illegal, there's not going to be much left.Can't dive at the QB's legs (Theismann)Can't tackle from behind at the shoulder pads (Calico, Owens, etc.)Can't tackle from behind at the waist/hips (Bo Jackson)heck, we evenCan't drop back for a pass (Marino, Testaverde)or Call a penalty (Browns lineman whose name escapes me)Could go on and on... can't think of examples, but I know season have been ended by cutting, diving, and many other activities.The guys are just bigger and faster now. Energy is proportional to mass and the square of velocity. That means there's more energy. That means when you dissipate it rapidly by stopping via a cut, tackle, etc you are more likely to exceed the yield strength of bone, ligament, tendon or other tissue.There weren't a lot of 6'3" 230 pound wideouts running 4.4/4.5 in the 70's.
 
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There are some players that are so fast and powerful that they can use the same techniques other people use but to devestating effect. Anyone remember the Tampa Bay/San Fran game that Sapp knocked out both Young and Rice in the same game?Also the only person to blame for that Calico injury was the Titan's OC for being insane enough to call a reverse play for his 6'5 WR. That play had injury written all over it.

 
My main point (which I admit wasn't highlighted well) is that Roy isn't the only guy doing it. I made a point of watching for this in games this past weekend (college and pro) and it is EXTREMELY common. 10 tackles a game. No difference in college to pro.
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I'm sure it is done by lots of people, but Roy seems to have mastered it this season...Darren Woodson is on with The Ticket and they asked him about Roy and his tendency for wrecking legs this year. Woody said that he's joked with Roy about it too, but there's nothing you can do about it.
 
Apparently I wasn't the only one that noticed this trend...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2013952

"Also under discussion this week is the specific "horse collar" tackle by Cowboys safety Roy Williams that broke the leg of Eagles receiver Terrell Owens. Williams injured four players with that specific technique, a committee member said Tuesday, and those incidents were still being debated by the committee."

They're considering a 15 yd penalty for horse collar type tackles...

 
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