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Roy Williams offically traded to Dallas (1 Viewer)
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T Bell
Footballguy
And who did the evaluation of those college players for the last time before they departed for Miami?Yeah I know Dallas had a TERRIBLE DRAFT THIS YEAR RIGHTIt's good to see that Jerruh's reverting to form now in the post-Parcells era, now that Parcells and all of his disciples and their college player evaluation are all gone or used up. Welcome to the Joey Galloway trade, part 2.DUDE come on I believe in the moves that my team makes it has gotten them to the position that they have as much talent as they have now. I know a lot of people hate the Cowboys and that is cool but whatever they do it is always seen as negative. I mean come on they needed a #2 wr real bad and the offense has struggled all season and lately Owens is getting doubled all the time cause Crayton can't get open and nobody fears him beating them. So what does Jones do he goes out and makes a move to upgrade that position. I mean I bet most fans would love if they had a owner that cared as much as Jones does. I think that is where the hate comes from cause he gets what he wants player wise while other teams sit on the sideline whining.Anything.Umm because Scandrick and Jenkins can do the job for 4 weeks till Newman gets back and Dallas needed a #2 wr very bad. Now they can move Crayton back to the slot cause he is not a #2 in any way. This is a good move for Dallas. Now if Newman does not come back this year it will hurt but maybe Pacamn comes back as well. I hope not I want him gone. Roy Williams will be a positive move and now doubling Owens Witten will be much harder with Roy There. You can't tell me this is a bad move. Anyways I am sure some will say it was a terrible move. The more that shows up on posts that s was a terrible move the better move I know it was. If Philly got Roy Williams it would be the best move ever, lolCowboys still have zero chance of winning the superbowl this year.
Going a bit far here, what I was asking is if Roy still warrants double coverage? If not, he will not help TO or Witten. Only time will tell.
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
At least it was a logical progression
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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Roy Williams wasn't in the hand. He was a free agent at the end of the year and he wouldn't have come back to Detroit at gunpoint.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I don't think Williams demands a double coverage (hint very few WRs do on a regular basis) however he is a clear upgrade over Crayton.
DaWidowMaker
Footballguy
While I think the Cowboys overpaid a bit it will be worth it considering TO's age and the time you have to wait for a rookie WR to develop. Losing Pacman stings but thats the reason Jenkins and Scandrick were drafted...great insurance policies. They've had 6 games and all of preseason to get seasoned and this week vs the Rams is a great opportunity to get their feet wet with their larger roles. IMO there is no way that TO gets doubled now w/o the defense paying the piper one way or another (especially when Romo gets back).
1. Fade routes in the red zone to either side of the field pick one
2. Slants to big targets on any given play on 3rd and 5
The possibilities are endless and I think the rest of the NFC East won't sleep well on Saturday nights. Continue to hate but the Redskins, Eagles and Giants would love to have a #2 the caliber of Roy.
1. Fade routes in the red zone to either side of the field pick one
2. Slants to big targets on any given play on 3rd and 5
The possibilities are endless and I think the rest of the NFC East won't sleep well on Saturday nights. Continue to hate but the Redskins, Eagles and Giants would love to have a #2 the caliber of Roy.
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Mustang Man
Footballguy
I see what you are saying. First off Dallas gave up a 1, 3 and 6 got a 7th back from Detroit and today with Adam Jones getting suspended they got a 5th and 6th rounder from Tenn. So it is not as bad as you say. If Dallas was going to have a shot this year seeing what has went down this year with the struggles of the offense they need a #2 wr and now they got it. They gave up more then I would have wanted but the window to win is very small in the NFL and they have a lot of talent locked up for the next few years. This was a move that needed to be done cause Crayton was not the answer on the other side of Owens. Roy just might be. We do not have to wonder now we will find out this year. If you want to win go after it and be aggressive Jones is and some do not like it.O FEAKEN WELLTrue Williams helps the Cowboys get better this year - but how much? Can he really be effective immediately without knowledge of the playbook? It will take a few weeks at least to get him to digest enough of the playbook to make a difference; and, at that time, Romo will be back and he has to adjust to a new QB.The COwboys have essentially bet a 1st, 3rd, 6th and 7th rounder that they will win the Super Bowl. If they can cash in, it ends up being a good bet. However, while they are a contender, I don't think they will win it all this year. If that is the case, then they paid a 1st, 3rd, 6th and 7th round pick for a player they could have gotten for nothing (although a lot of $$) during the offseason. At this juncture of the season, and knowinng that he was a free agent next year, my thought was that a 2nd rounder was more then adequate. Of course, I guess that's why I am neither a GM n or an owner of an NFL franchise.DUDE come on I believe in the moves that my team makes it has gotten them to the position that they have as much talent as they have now. I know a lot of people hate the Cowboys and that is cool but whatever they do it is always seen as negative. I mean come on they needed a #2 wr real bad and the offense has struggled all season and lately Owens is getting doubled all the time cause Crayton can't get open and nobody fears him beating them. So what does Jones do he goes out and makes a move to upgrade that position. I mean I bet most fans would love if they had a owner that cared as much as Jones does. I think that is where the hate comes from cause he gets what he wants player wise while other teams sit on the sideline whining.Anything.Umm because Scandrick and Jenkins can do the job for 4 weeks till Newman gets back and Dallas needed a #2 wr very bad. Now they can move Crayton back to the slot cause he is not a #2 in any way. This is a good move for Dallas. Now if Newman does not come back this year it will hurt but maybe Pacamn comes back as well. I hope not I want him gone. Roy Williams will be a positive move and now doubling Owens Witten will be much harder with Roy There. You can't tell me this is a bad move. Anyways I am sure some will say it was a terrible move. The more that shows up on posts that s was a terrible move the better move I know it was. If Philly got Roy Williams it would be the best move ever, lol
Oddly enough, the Lions realized that Jones really wanted Williams and took advantage of Jones in the process. THE LIONS!! WOW.
Maybe Jones is trying to help the LIons GM get the job permanently.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Those wondering about DAL's pick for 2009....
from Great Blue North Draft Report.
http://www.gbnreport.com/trades.htm
Dallas has a #3 from Cleveland (2008 draft day trade)
Dallas traded its fourth-round (No. 111) pick to Cleveland for the Browns 2009 third-round pick.
Dallas has a #4 from Detroit (2008 draft day trade)
Dallas traded its third-round (No. 92) pick to Detroit for the Lions’ fourth- (No. 111) and 2009 fourth-round picks.
Dallas has a #6 from Miami (DT Jason Ferguson)
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So Dallas still has picks in every round but the 1st it looks like, with two in the seventh.
EDIT: They also have a fifth from TEN
Tennessee will get a #6 from Dallas if CB Pacman Jones stays out of trouble this fall; if Jones re-offends during the season, the Cowboys will get a 5th round pick from Tennessee.)
from Great Blue North Draft Report.
http://www.gbnreport.com/trades.htm
Dallas has a #3 from Cleveland (2008 draft day trade)
Dallas traded its fourth-round (No. 111) pick to Cleveland for the Browns 2009 third-round pick.
Dallas has a #4 from Detroit (2008 draft day trade)
Dallas traded its third-round (No. 92) pick to Detroit for the Lions’ fourth- (No. 111) and 2009 fourth-round picks.
Dallas has a #6 from Miami (DT Jason Ferguson)
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So Dallas still has picks in every round but the 1st it looks like, with two in the seventh.
EDIT: They also have a fifth from TEN
Tennessee will get a #6 from Dallas if CB Pacman Jones stays out of trouble this fall; if Jones re-offends during the season, the Cowboys will get a 5th round pick from Tennessee.)
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That really is a 180 right there.
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
You're right. I think it will.
schooner44
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
Kind of funny following the progression of a homer...
That really is a 180 right there.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
NA this trade hurts Dallas offensively in every way just look at all the post tat say so.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
HORSECOLLAR and BUTTERFINGERS.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Hey thanks for that post. Not so bad.Edit
Does this count the 5th and 6th rounder they just got from Tenn because Pacman got suspended?
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PranksterJD
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
Yeah, it's going to be so great when they don't have to run that offense through TO! I mean, they can look to other parts on the field, and target other WR's, and . . . um . . . yeah . . . TO . . .
Mustang Man
Footballguy
That was what was reported at first. All I was posting is what I heard sue me. lol
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
I updated the post you quoted...it is a 5th only.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Didn't Dallas just recently give Crayton a decent contract? If so, he might be getting paid much higher than your normal #3 WR. We know about this well in Washington, when you spend BIG at one area....another area starts to get neglected because there is only so much room under that cap.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Yeah I saw that it is like they got a 6th to though cause had he not been suspended they would have had to give the 6th rounder to Tenn right? Thanks though.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
as a lifelong Dallas fan, i like getting Roy but I think the price was a bit high. I think they will sign him long term, so that's good, and I do think playing for a winning franchise will bring the best out of him, another plus. I think this will make TO better as well, harder to commit to blanketing coverage on him. I just wonder what kind of contract they will give Roy and if it will be more than TO is making, because i'm SURE that will go over smoothly if that happens haha. I just hate giving up the 3 draft picks, even if we do have a surplus next year, the number 1 alone should have done it. I guess you have to give to get, so we will see what happens. I'm also in the camp that Dallas's biggest problems did not lie at #2 WR, but I digress.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
The cap is always going to be a problem. Yes they did just give him a contract off the top off my head I am not sure what it was but I do not think t was a #2 wr type of deal I might be wrong I do not think they broke the bank for this guy Anyone have this.?
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I recall a DAL fan telling me before that he was way overpaid for his talent, but regardless...he can be cut like any other player in the NFL with the cap hit coming all at once and done.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
All together, after today's developments, they now have:a 2nd
a 3rd
two 4ths
two 5ths
a 6th
two 7ths
Nine picks in 2009 all together.
You can look at it in many ways, but still having these picks minus a first (late first) for Roy Williams looks good to me.
T Bell
Footballguy
Everyone's talking about how they need a WR2, but the fact is that between TO, Witten, Romo and Barber they've already got a lot of talent at the skill positions before this trade. If they aren't able to pass with Romo, TO, and Witten, is adding a severely underachieving Roy Williams - who has no knowledge of the offense - going to help? The dirty little secret here is that either the o-line or Jason Garrett, or both, are very overrated because they don't seem to be able to run block or pass protect well enough, consistently enough, to enable that offense to impose its will upon defenses. With that much talent at their disposal, that's ridiculous. Is there a single set of QB-WR1-TE-RB unit in that very good NFC East division that Dallas would swap with before the Roy Williams trade?
Anyway, this Roy Williams seems in this context to be an extravagance, and doubly so when the main problems would seem to exist at this point on the defensive side of the ball.
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treat88
Footballguy
100% agree.Romo will continue to feed Witten his share regardless of Roy or TO's whining.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I really like what the Austin kid was showing. Now his development will be stunted.
T.O loves the limelight. He needs it like a junkie needs a fix. In S.F. he did not have it. In Philly he did not have it. In Dallas Wade Phillips has allowed him to have it as have Romo, Witten, and Barber. To me this move threatens that dynamic. Hell the mere suggestion that he needs help drawing away coverage is going to be a scenario to which he will have to comment. Given his tendancy to step in it when he opens his mouth, and given that his team mates are likely tired of sublimating their stardom for his i see this as a very volitile situation.
Defense wins championships. The Cowboys have some real issues there right now. Williams is still out as is Newman. Jones is gone, Ellis is chirping. to me this side of the ball needed to be addressed.
The Cowboys hit a bump in the road. Adversity could reveal character and allow some guys to grow. Instead we see Jerry interjecting himself into matters, Phillips withdrawing, Owens showing signs of reverting to form, and the main issue not currently being addressed. Will the cowboys servive this, yes, quite easily based on both talent and schedule. All they need do is not panic. This smells of some panic, at least to me.
In the end I don't see any better teams than a healthy Cowboy team with positive chemistry. I wonder if we will see that again this year?
T.O loves the limelight. He needs it like a junkie needs a fix. In S.F. he did not have it. In Philly he did not have it. In Dallas Wade Phillips has allowed him to have it as have Romo, Witten, and Barber. To me this move threatens that dynamic. Hell the mere suggestion that he needs help drawing away coverage is going to be a scenario to which he will have to comment. Given his tendancy to step in it when he opens his mouth, and given that his team mates are likely tired of sublimating their stardom for his i see this as a very volitile situation.
Defense wins championships. The Cowboys have some real issues there right now. Williams is still out as is Newman. Jones is gone, Ellis is chirping. to me this side of the ball needed to be addressed.
The Cowboys hit a bump in the road. Adversity could reveal character and allow some guys to grow. Instead we see Jerry interjecting himself into matters, Phillips withdrawing, Owens showing signs of reverting to form, and the main issue not currently being addressed. Will the cowboys servive this, yes, quite easily based on both talent and schedule. All they need do is not panic. This smells of some panic, at least to me.
In the end I don't see any better teams than a healthy Cowboy team with positive chemistry. I wonder if we will see that again this year?
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Right.They don't have to give Tenn that 6th round pick, plus they get a 5th round pick back from Tenn.
There's a theory that this is why Dallas didn't discipline Pacman themselves, because it would have destroyed this part of the contract if the NFL would have found the Cowboys discplinary action acceptable and did nothing further.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.
Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.
When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.
Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.
When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
They signed Crayton to a new contract last December.4 years, worth up to $14 million. $6 million gauranteed.ETA: Crayton made a name for himself as a slot receiver. Now he moves back to where he is most efficient. In the slot.
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RBM
Footballguy
Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
Do you want a cookie?
These posts are so ridiculous...y'all are almost as bad as our local media here in Dallas. BEFORE the Roy Williams trade and AFTER the Pac suspension, Dallas had the following picks next year:1st, 2nd, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths, 5th back from TEN, keep their 6th (TEN), and 7th.
For Williams we give up a 1st, 3rd, 6th (that we were giving up anyway), and recieve a 7th.
Essentially, we gave up a 1st for an ESTABLISHED 27-year old WR. We can play the craps table and HOPE we get an NFL quality WR in the draft that may or may not make the transition within the first two (2) years. And according to the local media and Ed Werder at ESPN via radio, the Boys have a handshake deal in place for an extension for Williams.
TO is 34 years old. Patrick Crayton is a #3 and Miles Austin is improved, but not the next coming. GREAT TRADE!!! It's a trade for the future that'll help them win today. If no CB's are available then we just score more points...I like it.
cowboyz
Footballguy
today i'm a lions fan 
jerry already made this stupid trade once for joey galloway. and he saw what it did to the organization. and he did it again
their defense is crap.
at least they'll be exciting to watch. i'm taking the over.
greg ellis was talking about how something big was occuring in the organization and there was a lot of divide. i think this was it. this was an incredibly stupid decision.
:X
at least i got tony romo on all my dynasty team
jerry already made this stupid trade once for joey galloway. and he saw what it did to the organization. and he did it again
their defense is crap.
at least they'll be exciting to watch. i'm taking the over.
greg ellis was talking about how something big was occuring in the organization and there was a lot of divide. i think this was it. this was an incredibly stupid decision.
:X
at least i got tony romo on all my dynasty team
Andy Herron
Footballguy
You're crazy...Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.
He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...
T Bell
Footballguy
Witten, Crayton, Reeves, Ratliff, Pettiti, Canty, Barber, Burnett, Folk, Stanbeck, Scandrick, and Choice were all drafted in the third round or later since 2003. Either the Cowboys aren't nearly as good as you and other Cowboys fans like to crow that they are because those players all are non-factors, or those picks are in fact worth more than you're willing to acknowledge right now. Which is it?
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Cowboys quickly give Williams new deal
Yahoo! Sports
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – After acquiring WR Roy Williams from the Lions for three NFL draft picks, the Dallas Cowboys signed him through the 2013 season, owner Jerry Jones confirmed from the owners meetings.
“This year plus an additional five,” Jones said of the contract extension for Williams, acquired for a first-, third- and sixth-round pick in 2009.
Financial terms of Williams’ contract were undisclosed. In addition, the Cowboys will receive Detroit’s seventh-round pick next year.
For Jones, it was welcome news after a brutal past week in which cornerback Adam Jones has been suspended indefinitely for his role in an off-field fight last week, and quarterback Tony Romo, receiver Sam Hurd, corner Terence Newman, running back Felix Jones, punter Mat McBriar and outside linebacker Anthony Spencer have suffered injuries or had surgery.
“This is good news, finally,” said Jerry Jones, whose team will also receive a fifth-round draft pick from the Titans as a result of Adam Jones’ suspension. “This gives us another threat on the other side of Terrell (Owens). That’s something that (offensive coordinator) Jason Garrett and I talked about during the offseason, getting another big-time threat on the other side to go with (Owens) and (tight end) Jason Witten.”
During his first four years with Detroit, Williams averaged 61 receptions a season. The seventh overall pick in the ‘04 draft out of Texas, Williams was second on the team this year with 17 receptions.
Jerry Jones made no secret that he has been pursuing Williams for a long time.
“We’ve been talking to the Lions for two years about Roy, who is very familiar to us being from Texas,” Jones said. “I talked to them again just before the draft and at the most recent owners meetings and we finally were able to get something done.”
As for concerns about how Williams will coexist with the emotional Owens, Jones smiled.
“I called Terrell and he was ecstatic,” Jones revealed. “He was the first person I called after I talked to Roy. As soon as Terrell heard he said, ‘Give me Roy’s number, I have to call him,’ .”
Yahoo! Sports
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – After acquiring WR Roy Williams from the Lions for three NFL draft picks, the Dallas Cowboys signed him through the 2013 season, owner Jerry Jones confirmed from the owners meetings.
“This year plus an additional five,” Jones said of the contract extension for Williams, acquired for a first-, third- and sixth-round pick in 2009.
Financial terms of Williams’ contract were undisclosed. In addition, the Cowboys will receive Detroit’s seventh-round pick next year.
For Jones, it was welcome news after a brutal past week in which cornerback Adam Jones has been suspended indefinitely for his role in an off-field fight last week, and quarterback Tony Romo, receiver Sam Hurd, corner Terence Newman, running back Felix Jones, punter Mat McBriar and outside linebacker Anthony Spencer have suffered injuries or had surgery.
“This is good news, finally,” said Jerry Jones, whose team will also receive a fifth-round draft pick from the Titans as a result of Adam Jones’ suspension. “This gives us another threat on the other side of Terrell (Owens). That’s something that (offensive coordinator) Jason Garrett and I talked about during the offseason, getting another big-time threat on the other side to go with (Owens) and (tight end) Jason Witten.”
During his first four years with Detroit, Williams averaged 61 receptions a season. The seventh overall pick in the ‘04 draft out of Texas, Williams was second on the team this year with 17 receptions.
Jerry Jones made no secret that he has been pursuing Williams for a long time.
“We’ve been talking to the Lions for two years about Roy, who is very familiar to us being from Texas,” Jones said. “I talked to them again just before the draft and at the most recent owners meetings and we finally were able to get something done.”
As for concerns about how Williams will coexist with the emotional Owens, Jones smiled.
“I called Terrell and he was ecstatic,” Jones revealed. “He was the first person I called after I talked to Roy. As soon as Terrell heard he said, ‘Give me Roy’s number, I have to call him,’ .”
RBM
Footballguy
Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.You're crazy...Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.
Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.
When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.
You cant live off your college rep forever.
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twistd
Footballguy
Does anyone think that the Cowboys have done any negotiations for a contract with Williams? Or a contract extension? I believe that Williams is a free agent after this season. What happens if Williams has unreasonable contract demands? That is a huge issue as far as I can see. I think the Cowboys are looking past TO. They are hoping Williams can replace TO, either next year or the following year. But they gave up an awful lot to get him.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Ditto
