southeastjerome
Footballguy
I thought I had heard or read somewhere that Brinkley was the primary backup, but I can't find any info on that now.
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Ryan Mathews likely out until October (1 Viewer)
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Keith1
Footballguy
now that's crazy. Unless he was reading a fantasy magazine printed before pre-season even started. I see people talking in this thread about getting Mathews in the 4th/5th rounds. Then I see the updated ADP at FBG has him at 22. I draft Labor Day, and I was strongly considering grabbing him in the 2nd round at pick # 21.
Megatron Bombs
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Completed our 12-team draft last night and took him at 2.04
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that he's a value pick mid to late 2nd round. Talked with the other owners after the draft and he would not have lasted to my late 3rd round selection.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that he's a value pick mid to late 2nd round. Talked with the other owners after the draft and he would not have lasted to my late 3rd round selection.
two_dollars
Footballguy
5.03, wishing him a speedy return.
Louisville Slugger
Footballguy
Matthews is made out of glass. Even if he overcomes this injury he will get hurt the following week. This guy literally gets hurt every week.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
#7 overall ppr RB WAY BACK in... 2011. #9 overall in non-ppr. This was with Tolbert vulturing significant touches. I'm not sure how a RB accomplishes this while "literally" getting hurt every week. Everybody has different levels of risk tolerance, but you CAN see the upside here, right?ETA: Mathews was listed as OUT twice last year. He was either not on the injury report or listed as PROBABLE every other week.
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sirfumblesalot
Footballguy
I'm hoping to get him on Thursday at 2.11 in a 0.5 ppr league (4pt passing TDs)
While Mathews is out, Brinkley should be the primary backup to Ronnie Brown. (McClain will also get touches, but most likely from the fullback spot.)
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think you're right - we'll get some verification on Thursday based on who doesn't play. Whoever is in bubble wrap this week is probably in line for getting reps come week 1 if Matthews can't go. That said, I'm not sure how much any of these backup guys are worth even if Matthews can't go. Maybe McClain in TD heavy leagues, but otherwise, what I'm seeing from the Chargers' offensive line doesn't lead me to believe people will be happy with the results they get if they have to put any of these guys in their starting lineups. I don't think they're talented enough to generate much productivity in the current Charger offensive environment.
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Tau837
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Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Tolbert + Mathews combined for 104 catches last year. Brown had a preseason game with 4 rec for 37 yards. Brown has flex potential for ppr leagues'Gr00vus said:
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
12 teamer last nite... went in 9th round. (by me)
People talked crap about RM the entire evening.
People talked crap about RM the entire evening.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
He should not have went past the fifth, bc thats where you should have drafted him.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
Well this is just stupid. This says a lot about your league and yourself as well. Why would you possibly pass on Mathews 8 times? Ok fine, you pass on him in the 1st. Cool. The 2nd. I get it. Even the the 3rd. Fine. But any time from the 4th round on, anyone who passes on Mathews doesn't have a clue.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I know. He should have never dropped like that. I was already loaded at RB. But everyone (I mean everyone) just bad mouthed him the entire time. Same thing kind of happened with Tony Romo.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
The league isnt a great league (no doubt) and I dont usually play 10-12 teamers. But was there for kicks as I was asked when an owner couldnt make it. But they have been around a couple years.As for myself, the roster is limited and I was already loaded at RB.
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Gr00vus
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It looks to me like the offense as a whole is about to take a step back, at least for the early parts of the season, so I don't know how much relying on last year's numbers to justify decisions for this season will help. Then again, if the offense isn't as good as it has been, the rbs may be in line for more dump offs. At this point in their perspective careers Matthews is much more talented than Brown, and I think even Tolbert has more to give than Brown - so even if the touches are roughly proportional I imagine Brown will do less with them. I think your roster is likely in trouble if you're having to start Brown much, ppr or no.
ponchsox
Footballguy
If Ryan Mathews fell to the 9th round, your league has 12 guppies.
pantherclub
Footballguy
or 12 sharks
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No, it really does have at least 6 full blown guppies.However, only 1 of those guys is new to FF, the rest have all played the league for a couple years.And about 7-8 of them had their laptops/iPads linked into the MFL/espn/cbs/yahoo current rankings and adps.Mathews simply got an overriding amount of derision at this particular league. I'm not sure exactly why, but figured it was worth posting here.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Cold u list or 4-8 round picks. How did you let him SLIphat far?
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Raider Nation
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This is such a difficult situation. Injured collarbone >>>>>>>>> Injured legs for a RB, sure. So that's a plus. And if you think you can get by without him for the first 2 or 3 weeks, I'd keep him. But he's just one of those guys you will always hold your breath with. McFadden is the other one who comes to mind immediately.
I have to decide in the next two days whether to keep Mathews and give up a 4th round pick. It's a QB-heavy league, so it's not a no-brainer one way or the other. Any of you in a similar situation, and if so, which way are you leaning?
I have to decide in the next two days whether to keep Mathews and give up a 4th round pick. It's a QB-heavy league, so it's not a no-brainer one way or the other. Any of you in a similar situation, and if so, which way are you leaning?
Gr00vus
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He's gone in the 3rd and 4th round of the 2 redrafts I've done so far. Just some anecdotal info to factor in to your decision. I'd probably keep him for a 4th rounder. Make sure to pick up McClain - he won't get Matthews' touches or yardage, but I think he'll get the short yardage (i.e. goalline) even if/when Matthews comes back.'Raider Nation said:
Michael Gehlken: "Ryan Mathews was doing sprints uphill [today] while carrying ball in right hand."
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Took Matthews at 2.13 (27 overall, 15th RB off the board) as my RB2 in a 14-team league and am not looking back. There will be durability questions as there are about a number of backs, but no question in my mind he finishes Top 10, even missing the first few games.
Last year he had over 270 touches, over 1500 yards, and 6 TDs having to share work early on with Tolbert, who still got work in short yardage and stripe duties through the year. SD is still likely to siphon some goal line work to McClain and use Ronnie Brown to ease Matthews back in, but I don't see either as a real threat to Matthew's carries long term.
Ryan is a workhorse back with a 4.9 YPC last year, many of those yards coming after first contact. The only limitation is his ability to come back to form from his collarbone injury, and all the reports so far look like he's raring to go.
I don't think people should shy away from drafting Matthews, you just need to gameplan to have a viable option for the first couple of games. After that, he'll be golden.
Last year he had over 270 touches, over 1500 yards, and 6 TDs having to share work early on with Tolbert, who still got work in short yardage and stripe duties through the year. SD is still likely to siphon some goal line work to McClain and use Ronnie Brown to ease Matthews back in, but I don't see either as a real threat to Matthew's carries long term.
Ryan is a workhorse back with a 4.9 YPC last year, many of those yards coming after first contact. The only limitation is his ability to come back to form from his collarbone injury, and all the reports so far look like he's raring to go.
I don't think people should shy away from drafting Matthews, you just need to gameplan to have a viable option for the first couple of games. After that, he'll be golden.
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BigSteelThrill
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Right before him (as I was he only team without a QB) I took...Antonio BrownMatt RyanTony Romo ... had I any need at RB I would have taken Ryan long before.
so you went Ryan-Romo-Mathews in the 7th-8th-9th. not bad
-jb-
Footballguy
FYP
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
After the top 3, basically every running back has questions. From injury concerns, to rookies, to hold outs, to coming off seasons with major injuries, to having a really good back-up to steal work, to be aging, etc..there aren't any sure fire players after the top 3 (except, and this is a personal thought, I do feel pretty safe with SJax, but he gets no TD's). It's almost as if people forgot how extremely talented Ryan Mathews is. He will be a ppr machine. He will have the first crack at goal line. He doesn't have anyone that will threaten to take many carries from him. He basically has the same concerns as Darren McFadden and Demarco Murray, who are going in round 1 or the early 2. Btw their injuries where to their LEGS. Running backs need those. I'm not sure how many running backs could threaten for 20+ carries, 5+ catches, and 1+ touchdowns in every single game (while I think those #'s end up around 18/4/0.65, I'm just making a point). Last year he had 13 games with 10+ carries. He had above 5.1ypc in 7 of them. He had above 4.4ypc in 9 of them. He had 109+ total yards in 10 of them. I'm just tossing out numbers, but basically he was absolutely dominant in most of the games he played. Ryan Mathews is awesome. If he screws me, he screws me. I personally like taking risks, and I'll take a chance of getting a top 5 player at a great discount.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Had the one spot, ended up with Foster, Mathews, MJD, and Rashad Jennings just a few minutes ago. Pretty excited about having Mathews in the Flex once MJD comes back.
Took him 36th overall tonight. Had McCoy already and took Doug Martin a round later. Only start 2 RB's so I am pretty happy with the results.
To get him in the 4th round is too good to pass up on. He could win you a league, but potentially blowing a 4th round pick isn't going to lose you a league as long as you know what you are doing.
To get him in the 4th round is too good to pass up on. He could win you a league, but potentially blowing a 4th round pick isn't going to lose you a league as long as you know what you are doing.
everyone has to do their own risk/reward analysis and since much is unknown, there are a wide range of opinions, here is mine......
1. the injury was initially diagnosed with a 4-6 week time frame. All reports are that thus far, he is right on schedule, maybe even slightly ahead. Playing it safe and taking the 6 weeks, still puts him back for week 3. To expect anything different based on some opinion of a doctor that has never examined Ryan but blogs about him on the internet, is, well, not really worth a damn. While things could certainly change, I personally will base his return on week 3 until given a legit reason to think otherwise. FYI...FBG projections also show a week 3 return currently.
2. If he is back week 3, it's not like you take a goose egg in weeks 1 and 2. I would hope most owners are rostering an RB3? There are no byes that early so use him!! Taking the average points per week from a 6th round ADP RB and adding those 2 weeks on to Matthews total, what does it give you? For me, it comes out to the #6 RB in my league. You think that's worth more than a 4th round pick?
3. Once he is back, I know people are terrified he'll get injured right away, up to you to factor that unknown in. I will just say this.....bones heal. It's not a muscle tear or ligament damage. RB's are a great risk to injury by nature. Can you truly say with confidence that Chris Johnson or DeMarco Murray won't miss more time this year than Matthews?
4. Remember that this was a guy that was being talked about as high as the #4 overall pick before this injury, certainly top 10. I'm shocked to hear posters say that now because you have to use your RB3 for weeks 1 and 2, you now wouldn't touch him until the 4th round!?!!?
5. Do your risk/reward analysis but it is my opinion the risk side is overblown currently and creating a buying opportunity for savvy owners. If you play it safe will all your picks and remain a slave to ADP you will likely end up with an AVERAGE team.
In summary, Matthews is well worth consideration anytime in the 2nd round, a steal in the 3rd, and downright criminal in the 4th.
1. the injury was initially diagnosed with a 4-6 week time frame. All reports are that thus far, he is right on schedule, maybe even slightly ahead. Playing it safe and taking the 6 weeks, still puts him back for week 3. To expect anything different based on some opinion of a doctor that has never examined Ryan but blogs about him on the internet, is, well, not really worth a damn. While things could certainly change, I personally will base his return on week 3 until given a legit reason to think otherwise. FYI...FBG projections also show a week 3 return currently.
2. If he is back week 3, it's not like you take a goose egg in weeks 1 and 2. I would hope most owners are rostering an RB3? There are no byes that early so use him!! Taking the average points per week from a 6th round ADP RB and adding those 2 weeks on to Matthews total, what does it give you? For me, it comes out to the #6 RB in my league. You think that's worth more than a 4th round pick?
3. Once he is back, I know people are terrified he'll get injured right away, up to you to factor that unknown in. I will just say this.....bones heal. It's not a muscle tear or ligament damage. RB's are a great risk to injury by nature. Can you truly say with confidence that Chris Johnson or DeMarco Murray won't miss more time this year than Matthews?
4. Remember that this was a guy that was being talked about as high as the #4 overall pick before this injury, certainly top 10. I'm shocked to hear posters say that now because you have to use your RB3 for weeks 1 and 2, you now wouldn't touch him until the 4th round!?!!?
5. Do your risk/reward analysis but it is my opinion the risk side is overblown currently and creating a buying opportunity for savvy owners. If you play it safe will all your picks and remain a slave to ADP you will likely end up with an AVERAGE team.
In summary, Matthews is well worth consideration anytime in the 2nd round, a steal in the 3rd, and downright criminal in the 4th.
Jagerbomber
Footballguy
All great points but I agree with the last one in particular. I'm amazed to see how far he has dropped in some leagues. The lowest I have seen him go is early 3rd round in a 12-team league. I kept him in my keeper league at $16...plenty of upside there.
Tau837
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I got him at (2.12) / (3.1) turn to go with Arian Foster. That range felt right.
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Badgers Fan
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000048392/article/san-diego-chargers-have-options-in-replacing-ryan-mathewsEntering training camp last month, Turner said Mathews was in the best shape of his career and should pile up bigger carry and scoring numbers this season because he'd get additional snaps near the goal line.
Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
He missed 12 quarters of action last year, and shared the backfield with Tolbert.He was still the RB7. He very well miss 2-3 games, but he'll no longer be in a committee with Tolbert. More touchdowns, more receptions, more yardage. 7-12 range is just about right to me.
Kuz
Footballguy
I would of taken him there as well. Probably even the beginning of the 2nd but not #7 overall
I pretty much went in with exactly your opinion in both of my drafts last weekend. There are times for being risk averse, but as long as you have a decent to solid RB3, it seems like a pretty decent bet.In one league I took him in the 3rd, might be a little higher than I wanted but I drafted SJax as well so I think it makes it a pretty low risk move. In the other league, I went RB-RB with CJ and McFadden (surprising # of QBs went in the first 2 rounds), but he survived all the way to my picks in the 5/6 turn. So despite feeling like there was a significant tier drop on WRs after that spot and needing one, I couldnt not pick him up.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
More touches and playing time aso means more of a chance a brittle guy like Mathews gets hurt.
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